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Centurion · 04-15-2003, 01:21 PM

I've seen to hit a plateau of sorts. I lost 20 pounds on the diet in about 5 weeks. But for the last 7-10 days, my weight has stayed steady..down or up no more than 1 or 2 pounds.

I keep my carbs under 28 grams a day. I'm TRYING to quit diet soda (bought the davinci syrups, which are nice with club soda..but PRICEY!).

I also workout daily (have my own elliptical that gives me a good workout). I've been VERY good at not cheating! Not even one piece of REAL chocolate since I started the diet. (Yes, I do munch on one or 2 of the atkin's bars or carbolite bars a day to keep me sane).

OTHER than reducing my carb intake a bit more, I don't know what to do. And I sure haven't reached my weight goal by any means. I know people hit plateau's in their diet's..and is this perhaps one that may take longer than 10 days to to end and the weight to start leaving again?

P.S. I eat fat free cheese because I do think there is something to say for not eating a bunch of fatty foods. Though Atkins seems to really endorse heavy cream etc. Any relevance here?

Any input (positive) or ideas appreciated!

Lane · 04-15-2003, 01:26 PM

dude. do a balanced diet.. not taking carbs fucks up your nutrition balance, thats why you lose weight...

not being fat is healthy, but the process of losing weight is not.. thats why you gotta do it carefully..

Backov · 04-15-2003, 01:28 PM

Yes, listen to Lane and ignore the Ph.D that spent his life studying it.

Also ignore the studies that say it works, and the lack of studies that say it's harmful.

And seriously - DO NOT eat fat free cheese. The whole point is that you need to eat fatty foods. Anything with "Fat free" or "Lite" on it is your enemy.

Gutterboy · 04-15-2003, 01:29 PM

You need to eat fat on Atkins. I don't remember the specifics, but something about the ketosis state requires it. You can't do low fat and low carb at the same time. Well you can, but the effects won't be what you desire. Your body will go into conservation mode and start retaining fat because its thinks you're starving it.

I don't believe it has to be saturated or animal fats, authough alot of people on Atkins eat lots of both. Lots of rich fish like salmon and liberal use of olive oil would probably do it.

Centurion · 04-15-2003, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by Gutterboy
You need to eat fat on Atkins. I don't remember the specifics, but something about the ketosis state requires it. You can't do low fat and low carb at the same time. Well you can, but the effects won't be what you desire. Your body will go into conservation mode and start retaining fat because its thinks you're starving it.

I don't believe it has to be saturated or animal fats, authough alot of people on Atkins eat lots of both. Lots of rich fish like salmon and liberal use of olive oil would probably do it.

I know they warn about trans-fatty acids (hence why they advocate butter over margarine). I do eat a lot of salmon (hey, I'm in Seattle) and such. The only NON-fat thing I eat is the cheese..so it's not like I've gone over board on non fat stuff. Just the cheese. I'll try regular cheese next time I go grocery shopping.

RSCLuke · 04-15-2003, 01:35 PM

I've tried this diet, and it does work wonders.
Have to remember to take vitamins when on this diet - to balance the nutrition.

As for your diet Centurion - everybody is different.
Check the amount of carbs in the fat-free cheese - it usually is much higher then the regular stuff.
And I think you need to limit your carbs intake to max at about 20 grams/day.

The diet does work - you just have to really stay on course with it.

Good luck!

Centurion · 04-15-2003, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by Lane
dude. do a balanced diet.. not taking carbs fucks up your nutrition balance, thats why you lose weight...

not being fat is healthy, but the process of losing weight is not.. thats why you gotta do it carefully..

As I said in my first post..I really just would like to hear from the people who are on the Atkins diet or are friendly-familiar with it.

So, don't bust my chops

with general comments about how bad Atkins is. Thanks!

Exxxotica · 04-15-2003, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by Lane
dude. do a balanced diet.. not taking carbs fucks up your nutrition balance, thats why you lose weight...

not being fat is healthy, but the process of losing weight is not.. thats why you gotta do it carefully..

I agree

Fucking up your body untill it goes into Ketosis cant be too good for you. (it doesnt take a PHD to know that)

Even Dr. Atkins agrees that stage of the diet isn?t a healthy permanent diet.

Exxxotica · 04-15-2003, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by Centurion

As I said in my first post..I really just would like to hear from the people who are on the Atkins diet or are friendly-familiar with it.

opps! not another word from me!

Gutterboy · 04-15-2003, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by Centurion
I know they warn about trans-fatty acids (hence why they advocate butter over margarine). I do eat a lot of salmon (hey, I'm in Seattle) and such. The only NON-fat thing I eat is the cheese..so it's not like I've gone over board on non fat stuff. Just the cheese. I'll try regular cheese next time I go grocery shopping.

Ah ok, I misread your post, I thought you were trying for a complete lowfat diet plus no carbs. That would not be a pretty sight.. lol.

Tala · 04-15-2003, 01:38 PM

Backov is correct, you must have some fats in the diet or you're doing yourself a great disservice. Anything labled "low fat", "fat free" or "lite" is evil, leave it alone and use good old cheddar cheese or mozarella or colby or monty, whichever you like, just make sure it's the real deal.

That might be why you've hit the plateau. Try a few days of eating just as you're supposed to instead of subbing the low fat shit in. It might kick-start the weight loss again!

Centurion · 04-15-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by RSCLuke
I've tried this diet, and it does work wonders.
Have to remember to take vitamins when on this diet - to balance the nutrition.

As for your diet Centurion - everybody is different.
Check the amount of carbs in the fat-free cheese - it usually is much higher then the regular stuff.
And I think you need to limit your carbs intake to max at about 20 grams/day.

The diet does work - you just have to really stay on course with it.

Good luck!

The 20 grams a day is for just the first 2 weeks..then you can raise is slowly. It almost appears I'm at a maintenance level at 28 grams..so will probably try moving it down to say 26 or so and see what happens.

And ya on the cheese..I know a lot of fat free stuff ironically has a lot more harmful ingredients in it.

Reptilious · 04-15-2003, 01:40 PM

I am currently on the Atkins Diet.
15 lbs. in 3 weeks so far, but more than the weight are the inches lost. Went a couple of sizes down in my pants alreay.
Minumum carbs, (says under 20, but the least you do, the more inches and weight loss). And no sugar. Nothing to drink aside from water...megga amounts of water. Sounds hard, but, shiiiiit, i have 4 eggs w/ bacon, all cooked w/ massive butter for breakfast, burgers and tuna for lunch and steaks every night for dinner. The key is to eat when you get tired/run down. And no caffine as the caffine produces insulin. You need to have the body at almost no carbs and sugars, allowing the body to eat the fat for energy.
((( Remembering Homer Simpson wraping a stick of butter with bacon strips, lol ...MMmmmmmmm, Baaaaaacon! Drooooool )))
Again, as little carbs and sugar as possible.....try zero on both.
Here is a good link:
http://www.atkinsfriends.com/carbcounter.shtml

Good journey!

tony286 · 04-15-2003, 01:45 PM

Stop the fake chocolate, it screws up progress sometimes and the diet soda. Go as unprocessed as possible in your food choices. Also wouldnt hurt a couple of tablespoons of flax seed oil a day. The more EFA's you take in the more fat your body will release. Have lost 35 lbs myself plan to hit 100 lbs weight loss by Aug Internext.

Reptilious · 04-15-2003, 01:50 PM

agree w/ RSCLuke (above).
You have to take a good multi vit. or you will pass out from no energy :P

easyjesus · 04-15-2003, 01:54 PM

this is a bit off topic, but I would like some info on this diet... I have heard lots of people talk about it and with great results..

I was on a low carbs diet with Xenadrine and lost 33lbs in a month and a half, after my second bottle was gone I quit taking it... Since then, I have gained about 70-80 lbs and am hating life...

Thanks in advance for anyone who can get/give me the proper info I need!

Centurion · 04-15-2003, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by tony404
Stop the fake chocolate, it screws up progress sometimes and the diet soda.

Omg! Don't say that!

Don't tell me I have to give up my fake chocolate! If I do that, I think I'll go INSANE!

Please, there must be an ATKINS voice of sanity out there that can tell me these Atkin bars are ok for you!????

(Though I must admit I'm still suspicious of their "net carb" claims..but I do understand where they get the number from!)

Tala · 04-15-2003, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by easyjesus
this is a bit off topic, but I would like some info on this diet... I have heard lots of people talk about it and with great results..

I was on a low carbs diet with Xenadrine and lost 33lbs in a month and a half, after my second bottle was gone I quit taking it... Since then, I have gained about 70-80 lbs and am hating life...

Thanks in advance for anyone who can get/give me the proper info I need!

http://www.atkinsonline.com

All info is there, go look.

Centurion: I like the Atkins chocolates and Atkins bars, Endulge is the candy, Advantage is the snack/meal bars, they're fine for you and taste good too.

Reptilious · 04-15-2003, 02:04 PM

http://www.lowcarb.com/cgi-local/Sof...html?E+scstore

order Atkins chocolate bars, and almost everything on line :P

Lane · 04-15-2003, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by Backov
Yes, listen to Lane and ignore the Ph.D that spent his life studying it.

Also ignore the studies that say it works, and the lack of studies that say it's harmful.

i grew up being lectured by many Ph.D's about nutirition all my life because i was an athlete.. and i do know quite a bit about the effects of unbalanced food intake since they reflect significantly on your performance if you have to burn over 5k calories per day..

thanks for trying to imply that i'm ignorant and on this subject

tony286 · 04-15-2003, 02:06 PM

I am not saying dont eat them ever again, I am saying stop to break your stall. Those products do cause stalls and they are not meant to be eaten on a daily basis.Also to be that attached to chocolate should be examined if you want longterm success.

Centurion · 04-15-2003, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by Tala
http://www.atkinsonline.com

All info is there, go look.

Centurion: I like the Atkins chocolates and Atkins bars, Endulge is the candy, Advantage is the snack/meal bars, they're fine for you and taste good too.

tony286 · 04-15-2003, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by Lane

i grew up being lectured by many Ph.D's about nutirition all my life because i was an athlete.. and i do know quite a bit about the effects of unbalanced food intake since they reflect significantly on your performance if you have to burn over 5k calories per day..

thanks for trying to imply that i'm ignorant and on this subject

If you were a athlete you really arent one to speak on carbs because your body deals with carbs very differently than a person with a weight problem.

Wilbo · 04-15-2003, 02:09 PM

Didn't that Atkins guy just have a heart attack or something?

The best way to lose weight is to exercise more. Run, jog, bike or walk. And while you're out, get me a Big Mac and a Slurpee

Centurion · 04-15-2003, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by Tala

Centurion: I like the Atkins chocolates and Atkins bars, Endulge is the candy, Advantage is the snack/meal bars, they're fine for you and taste good too.

May God, Godess, Allah, & good fortune smile down upon you for what you just said!

Centurion · 04-15-2003, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by Lane

i grew up being lectured by many Ph.D's about nutirition all my life because i was an athlete.. and i do know quite a bit about the effects of unbalanced food intake since they reflect significantly on your performance if you have to burn over 5k calories per day..

thanks for trying to imply that i'm ignorant and on this subject

Geezus..you really have a paranoid imagination. No where did I even come CLOSE to implying that you're IGNORANT on this subject. I just said I know there are nay sayers and I've heard THAT all before. I just wanted to hear from OTHERS ON THE DIET?

Is that REALLY being that unreasonable or insulting to you?

Tala · 04-15-2003, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by Wilbo
Didn't that Atkins guy just have a heart attack or something?

The best way to lose weight is to exercise more. Run, jog, bike or walk. And while you're out, get me a Big Mac and a Slurpee

No, he slipped on ice outside his clinic and fractured his skull. He's in a coma right now, and I hope he pulls through.

Now get up off your ass and go get your own goddamn Big Mac and Slurpee.

Centurion · 04-15-2003, 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by tony404
I am not saying dont eat them ever again, I am saying stop to break your stall. Those products do cause stalls and they are not meant to be eaten on a daily basis.Also to be that attached to chocolate should be examined if you want longterm success.

I admit it..I'm a chocoholic!

I'm so ashamed.....

Tala · 04-15-2003, 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by Centurion

May God, Godess, Allah, & good fortune smile down upon you for what you just said!

I'll take all the good fortune I can get, thanks!

*EDIT: I'm a chocaholic, too. No shame, no shame.

Backov · 04-15-2003, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by Lane

i grew up being lectured by many Ph.D's about nutirition all my life because i was an athlete.. and i do know quite a bit about the effects of unbalanced food intake since they reflect significantly on your performance if you have to burn over 5k calories per day..

thanks for trying to imply that i'm ignorant and on this subject

Sorry mate, but it's clear that you are. Read the book. Try and find some studies that say it's harmful in the long term. Equinox is correct, the first stage of the diet can be hard on the body, but it's only suppose to last 4-6 weeks.

Read the book. Don't just come in here and tell people they're stupid for doing this diet (which you did, you didn't even imply it.)

Lane · 04-15-2003, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by Centurion

Geezus..you really have a paranoid imagination. No where did I even come CLOSE to implying that you're IGNORANT on this subject. I just said I know there are nay sayers and I've heard THAT all before. I just wanted to hear from OTHERS ON THE DIET?

Is that REALLY being that unreasonable or insulting to you?

my post was in response to backov, not you..

robfantasy · 04-15-2003, 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by Tala
I'll take all the good fortune I can get, thanks!

*EDIT: I'm a chocaholic, too. No shame, no shame.

1 FORTUNE COOKIE = 29 GRAMS OF CARBS

no bullshit

Lane · 04-15-2003, 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by Backov

Sorry mate, but it's clear that you are. Read the book. Try and find some studies that say it's harmful in the long term. Equinox is correct, the first stage of the diet can be hard on the body, but it's only suppose to last 4-6 weeks.

Read the book. Don't just come in here and tell people they're stupid for doing this diet (which you did, you didn't even imply it.)

I never said it kills your or makes your life shorter.. There may not always be long term harms from this diet. But losing weight is not a healty process, and atkins makes is even worse.. Of course you need to burn fat but taking out other fuels that your body needs off your nutrition is not the healthiest way to do it..

Where did Equinox post?

Also where did i call anyone stupid? Can you point out please?

jonesy · 04-15-2003, 04:32 PM

fuck atkins man.

the normal calorie intake for a man is 2000 a day

20 to 30 % of this should be fat.

that means 40 to 60 grams of fat per day.

lower your fat intake per day and you will lose weight.

start off at 60 grams of fat per day and when you feel your not losing any more weight go to 50 grams per day. ect

drop the fat intake 10 grams per whenevr your at a leveling off/not losing period

REMEMBER TO EXERCISE

be smart about what you eat and do research on which foods fill you up and are low in fat.

Eat small portions ALL DAY if you can

dont get bummed out if you go off one day, there are others and just exercise a little longer.

THE FAT

Jakke PNG · 04-15-2003, 04:37 PM

Still curious about the atkins, now I've red the book.. but I don't remember anything about carbs and fibers.

I know that if you have a product that has 20 grams of carbs, and 15 of fibers, the amount you should count is 5. Right?

Now.. what if the product has 60grams of carbs, but 85 grams of fiber? It's -25? So If I eat a SHITLOAD of that crap, in theory I should be able to eat whatever I like?

clarify please.

Snake Doctor · 04-15-2003, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by jonesy
fuck atkins man.

the normal calorie intake for a man is 2000 a day

20 to 30 % of this should be fat.

that means 40 to 60 grams of fat per day.

lower your fat intake per day and you will lose weight.

start off at 60 grams of fat per day and when you feel your not losing any more weight go to 50 grams per day. ect

drop the fat intake 10 grams per whenevr your at a leveling off/not losing period

REMEMBER TO EXERCISE

be smart about what you eat and do research on which foods fill you up and are low in fat.

Eat small portions ALL DAY if you can

dont get bummed out if you go off one day, there are others and just exercise a little longer.

THE FAT

What planet are you from? 2000 calories a day for a normal man? At 2000 calories most people would lose weight, a "normal" diet is one where you neither gain or lose weight.

The only time cutting fat causes weight loss is if by cutting the fat you also cut total calories (i.e. don't find another calorie source to replace the fat you cut, just cut the fat and still eat the same)

PersianKitty · 04-15-2003, 04:59 PM

Try a 'break' day or two. Eat sensibly, but a bit more than you have been and differently. Then go back at it. Usually fools the body into thinking it doesn't need to be in famine mode.

jonesy · 04-15-2003, 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by Lenny2

What planet are you from? 2000 calories a day for a normal man? At 2000 calories most people would lose weight, a "normal" diet is one where you neither gain or lose weight.

1600 to 2800 calories is the scale
2000 isnt that low but I shoulda said 2200
sorry bout that
i was going by what I started out at

go to any nutrition website to get facts.

http://www.nutrition.gov/home/index.php3

Kanoealoha · 04-15-2003, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by Backov
Yes, listen to Lane and ignore the Ph.D that spent his life studying it.

Also ignore the studies that say it works, and the lack of studies that say it's harmful.

And seriously - DO NOT eat fat free cheese. The whole point is that you need to eat fatty foods. Anything with "Fat free" or "Lite" on it is your enemy.

that reminds me...I need to find that article my health teacher gave to the class, documenting all the inconsistencies and all the "facts" that atkins has...i have some idiot friends that are on it, promised I would give it to them

edit: Nov 2002 Vol 29/number 9
Center For Science in the Public Interest
Nutrition Action Health Letter
"The Truth about the Atkins Diet"
by Bonnie Liebman

Kanoealoha · 04-15-2003, 05:22 PM

god dammit

Lane · 04-15-2003, 05:41 PM

keep the % of each nutrient at normal level.. and then take less calories than you need.. either eat less, or burn more, whichever fits you.

laugh if you want, but the healthiest diet i've ever seen that has been pushed on the media is the subway diet.. here is my version: eat a light breakfast (not fat-free and not more than 400 cal's), take a multi-vitamin pill, drink lots of water during the day, and eat a 6-inch subway meal (including a non-diet drink and the chips) 4-5 hours before you go to bed.. dont eat anything else... i lose about 5-7lbs in a week when i do that without exercising.. and when you get back to a normal eating schedule, those pounds wont come back to you..

you will spend very little time worrying about what to eat, and to get your food (assuming there is a subway in every town).. it would probably apply to any other sub place without huge and greasy sandwiches..

i dont recommend cutting fat either because its what you need to not to feel hungry.. the feeling of being hungry is mostly caused by hormones, and they disappear only if you eat some fat.. otherwise you will feel like starving even after you eat.. it is also important for the intake of non-waterbased vitamins.. many of vitamins cant be absorbed by your body if there is no fat in the food..

AllisonWonderland · 04-15-2003, 05:50 PM

Centurion, I second everything that Tala said. Atkins works. I've lost 50 lbs. since the end of July. I stick with a ratio of 65% fat, 30% Protein, and 5% carbs. I would post my latest blood readings here if I had them. I'd be happy to compare mine with you.

Drop the bars, they do stall some people (like me), and they taste like Playdoh anyways. I try to say with whole foods, and none of the pre-packaged stuff. If you must eat them, eat no more than 1/4 bar per day and see if that helps. I also went from drinking a 12-pack of Mt. Dew a day to maybe 1 can of Diet Rite per month.

I have Type 2 diabetes, which is insulin resistance. Low carbing is an excellent way for people with insulin resistance to lose weight. Do you carry most of your weight around your belly and hips? That's where the insulin that turns to fat settles, as in insulin resistance. Both my PCP and my Endo agree with and support low-carbing, in disagreement with the Google-educatd online doctors here.

No, Dr. Atkins did not have a heart attack. He had an infection in his heart, and now he has a seriious head injury. Neither caused by low-carbing.

Atkins has studies to back up all of his claims, just check out the book, he lists them all in detail. You think a balanced diet is the food pyramid? That's the biggest joke of all.

TGF - Show us an example of a food that has 60 grams of carbs and 85 grams of fiber.

Centurion · 04-15-2003, 05:59 PM

What about fruits?

No, I mean the type that grow on trees! (I AM gay friendly!)
I read where an apple WITH skin on it is about 21 grams of carbs. But i can't find out how many carbs there are in a regular size SKINNED apple. Anyone know?

I keep reading where 1 cup of soymilk is 4-5 grams of carbs..but on the carton, it says 8 grams (unflavored), with 0 grams for diet. So I don't know where these carb counters come up with 4-5 carbs.

Finally, was really suprised to see where a ham and egg omlette (two eggs) was 6.7 grams. Where do all those grams come from?

Centurion · 04-15-2003, 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by jonesy
fuck atkins man.

THE FAT

I wish it was true..but it's not..at least for me. I was on a supervised low fat diet for over 1 year. And yes, it was combined with daily exercise..made almost NO dent in my weight loss.

At least with Atkins, besides losing weight, I've had my blood sugar levels return to normal (I'm type II diabetic), and have a fasting sugar level of 88, and a 5.7% rate. It has even lowered my cholesterol level to under 200, increased the good chol & lowered the bad.

StacyCat · 04-15-2003, 06:17 PM

I dont feel like reading the whole thread, but i'll reply to your initial message.

First, give up the atkins or carbolite bars. There is some resistance for some people to the gliceryn used in them.

Secondly, what the hell are yuo doing eating fat free cheese? One, that stuff tastes horrible, and two, you can have the real thing!

If you are looking for a "lower fat" version of atkins, try a program called body for life.

Centurion · 04-15-2003, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by AllisonWonderland
Drop the bars, they do stall some people (like me), and they taste like Playdoh anyways. I try to say with whole foods, and none of the pre-packaged stuff. If you must eat them, eat no more than 1/4 bar per day and see if that helps. I also went from drinking a 12-pack of Mt. Dew a day to maybe 1 can of Diet Rite per month.

Allison..what is it exactly IN these bars that you object to..or think helps stall weight loss? The reason I ask is that Atkin's own site really goes out of it's way to promote those same bars!

AllisonWonderland · 04-15-2003, 06:49 PM

As StacyCat mentioned, the bars have glycerine in them, and that is known to stall some people. It stalls me. I don't "object" to them, I simply recommend against them

The single thing that disappoints me about the Atkins-machine is the product line they push. You don't need any of the products to successfully low-carb, but many people do eat the bars with no ill effects. I'm just not one of them. Try checking out the forums at www.lowcarbfriends.com - especially the "Lobby".

Try a week or 2 without the bars, and see if that breaks your stall.

Centurion · 04-15-2003, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by AllisonWonderland
Try checking out the forums at www.lowcarbfriends.com - especially the "Lobby".

Try a week or 2 without the bars, and see if that breaks your stall.

Thanks for the link..was wondering if there were forums like that.

AllisonWonderland · 04-15-2003, 07:03 PM

Yep, we even had our own version of Pathfinder there recently-there's drama everywhere!

http://www.low-carb-friends.com/bbs/...threadid=84745

Iced Out Gear · 04-15-2003, 07:03 PM

Beware of that diet. As soos as you put carbs back in your diet ans stop excersing you blow up like a house

04-15-2003, 01:21 PM	#1
Centurion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: SeATtle Posts: 6,033	Speaking of Atkins diet I've seen to hit a plateau of sorts. I lost 20 pounds on the diet in about 5 weeks. But for the last 7-10 days, my weight has stayed steady..down or up no more than 1 or 2 pounds. I keep my carbs under 28 grams a day. I'm TRYING to quit diet soda (bought the davinci syrups, which are nice with club soda..but PRICEY!). I also workout daily (have my own elliptical that gives me a good workout). I've been VERY good at not cheating! Not even one piece of REAL chocolate since I started the diet. (Yes, I do munch on one or 2 of the atkin's bars or carbolite bars a day to keep me sane). OTHER than reducing my carb intake a bit more, I don't know what to do. And I sure haven't reached my weight goal by any means. I know people hit plateau's in their diet's..and is this perhaps one that may take longer than 10 days to to end and the weight to start leaving again? P.S. I eat fat free cheese because I do think there is something to say for not eating a bunch of fatty foods. Though Atkins seems to really endorse heavy cream etc. Any relevance here? Any input (positive) or ideas appreciated!

04-15-2003, 01:26 PM	#2
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	dude. do a balanced diet.. not taking carbs fucks up your nutrition balance, thats why you lose weight... not being fat is healthy, but the process of losing weight is not.. thats why you gotta do it carefully.. __________________

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Backov Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cat Detector Van Posts: 1,600	Yes, listen to Lane and ignore the Ph.D that spent his life studying it. Also ignore the studies that say it works, and the lack of studies that say it's harmful. And seriously - DO NOT eat fat free cheese. The whole point is that you need to eat fatty foods. Anything with "Fat free" or "Lite" on it is your enemy. __________________ <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

04-15-2003, 01:29 PM	#4
Gutterboy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dis Posts: 4,751	You need to eat fat on Atkins. I don't remember the specifics, but something about the ketosis state requires it. You can't do low fat and low carb at the same time. Well you can, but the effects won't be what you desire. Your body will go into conservation mode and start retaining fat because its thinks you're starving it. I don't believe it has to be saturated or animal fats, authough alot of people on Atkins eat lots of both. Lots of rich fish like salmon and liberal use of olive oil would probably do it. Last edited by Gutterboy; 04-15-2003 at 01:31 PM..

04-15-2003, 01:35 PM	#6
RSCLuke Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: T.O. Posts: 113	I've tried this diet, and it does work wonders. Have to remember to take vitamins when on this diet - to balance the nutrition. As for your diet Centurion - everybody is different. Check the amount of carbs in the fat-free cheese - it usually is much higher then the regular stuff. And I think you need to limit your carbs intake to max at about 20 grams/day. The diet does work - you just have to really stay on course with it. Good luck! __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

04-15-2003, 01:38 PM	#11
Tala Fucked if I know Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Do you have a flag? Posts: 23,368	Backov is correct, you must have some fats in the diet or you're doing yourself a great disservice. Anything labled "low fat", "fat free" or "lite" is evil, leave it alone and use good old cheddar cheese or mozarella or colby or monty, whichever you like, just make sure it's the real deal. That might be why you've hit the plateau. Try a few days of eating just as you're supposed to instead of subbing the low fat shit in. It might kick-start the weight loss again! __________________ ICQ: 11120676 \| Google: mindcrime \| Skype: suitemindcrime\|E-Mail: mindcrime AT gmail.com\|PR girl with great writing skills for hire!!!! Contact me to work for YOU!\|TECHIEMEDIA? 24/7 support from some of the best techs in the biz. Tell Jim that I sent you.

04-15-2003, 01:40 PM	#13
Reptilious Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 13	I am currently on the Atkins Diet. 15 lbs. in 3 weeks so far, but more than the weight are the inches lost. Went a couple of sizes down in my pants alreay. Minumum carbs, (says under 20, but the least you do, the more inches and weight loss). And no sugar. Nothing to drink aside from water...megga amounts of water. Sounds hard, but, shiiiiit, i have 4 eggs w/ bacon, all cooked w/ massive butter for breakfast, burgers and tuna for lunch and steaks every night for dinner. The key is to eat when you get tired/run down. And no caffine as the caffine produces insulin. You need to have the body at almost no carbs and sugars, allowing the body to eat the fat for energy. ((( Remembering Homer Simpson wraping a stick of butter with bacon strips, lol ...MMmmmmmmm, Baaaaaacon! Drooooool ))) Again, as little carbs and sugar as possible.....try zero on both. Here is a good link: http://www.atkinsfriends.com/carbcounter.shtml Good journey!

04-15-2003, 01:45 PM	#14
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Stop the fake chocolate, it screws up progress sometimes and the diet soda. Go as unprocessed as possible in your food choices. Also wouldnt hurt a couple of tablespoons of flax seed oil a day. The more EFA's you take in the more fat your body will release. Have lost 35 lbs myself plan to hit 100 lbs weight loss by Aug Internext.

04-15-2003, 01:50 PM	#15
Reptilious Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 13	agree w/ RSCLuke (above). You have to take a good multi vit. or you will pass out from no energy :P Last edited by Reptilious; 04-15-2003 at 01:56 PM..

04-15-2003, 01:54 PM	#16
easyjesus Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ft Worth TX Posts: 291	this is a bit off topic, but I would like some info on this diet... I have heard lots of people talk about it and with great results.. I was on a low carbs diet with Xenadrine and lost 33lbs in a month and a half, after my second bottle was gone I quit taking it... Since then, I have gained about 70-80 lbs and am hating life... Thanks in advance for anyone who can get/give me the proper info I need! __________________ Loved By Some, Hated By Most.... <a href="http://www.unclejimsporn.com">http://www.unclejimsporn.com</a> <a href="http://www.cousindirty.com">http://www.cousindirty.com</a> <a href="http://www.drunkspringbreakchics.com">http://www.drunkspringbreakchics.com</a>

04-15-2003, 02:04 PM	#19
Reptilious Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 13	http://www.lowcarb.com/cgi-local/Sof...html?E+scstore order Atkins chocolate bars, and almost everything on line :P

04-15-2003, 02:06 PM	#21
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I am not saying dont eat them ever again, I am saying stop to break your stall. Those products do cause stalls and they are not meant to be eaten on a daily basis.Also to be that attached to chocolate should be examined if you want longterm success.

04-15-2003, 02:09 PM	#24
Wilbo Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Baltimore Posts: 2,082	Didn't that Atkins guy just have a heart attack or something? The best way to lose weight is to exercise more. Run, jog, bike or walk. And while you're out, get me a Big Mac and a Slurpee

04-15-2003, 04:32 PM	#34
jonesy Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,688	fuck atkins man. the normal calorie intake for a man is 2000 a day 20 to 30 % of this should be fat. that means 40 to 60 grams of fat per day. lower your fat intake per day and you will lose weight. start off at 60 grams of fat per day and when you feel your not losing any more weight go to 50 grams per day. ect drop the fat intake 10 grams per whenevr your at a leveling off/not losing period REMEMBER TO EXERCISE be smart about what you eat and do research on which foods fill you up and are low in fat. Eat small portions ALL DAY if you can dont get bummed out if you go off one day, there are others and just exercise a little longer. THE FAT __________________ . Shooting Bikini Girls

04-15-2003, 04:37 PM	#35
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	Still curious about the atkins, now I've red the book.. but I don't remember anything about carbs and fibers. I know that if you have a product that has 20 grams of carbs, and 15 of fibers, the amount you should count is 5. Right? Now.. what if the product has 60grams of carbs, but 85 grams of fiber? It's -25? So If I eat a SHITLOAD of that crap, in theory I should be able to eat whatever I like? clarify please. __________________ ..and I'm off.

04-15-2003, 04:59 PM	#37
PersianKitty Meow Media Inc. Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: In the valley of the sun, cactus, tacos, tequila, and nod Posts: 7,785	Try a 'break' day or two. Eat sensibly, but a bit more than you have been and differently. Then go back at it. Usually fools the body into thinking it doesn't need to be in famine mode. __________________ Wondering what webmaster programs PK uses? Check them out here!

04-15-2003, 05:22 PM	#40
Kanoealoha Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Happy Valley Posts: 1,261	god dammit __________________ Strong Bad Rocks!

04-15-2003, 05:41 PM	#41
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	keep the % of each nutrient at normal level.. and then take less calories than you need.. either eat less, or burn more, whichever fits you. laugh if you want, but the healthiest diet i've ever seen that has been pushed on the media is the subway diet.. here is my version: eat a light breakfast (not fat-free and not more than 400 cal's), take a multi-vitamin pill, drink lots of water during the day, and eat a 6-inch subway meal (including a non-diet drink and the chips) 4-5 hours before you go to bed.. dont eat anything else... i lose about 5-7lbs in a week when i do that without exercising.. and when you get back to a normal eating schedule, those pounds wont come back to you.. you will spend very little time worrying about what to eat, and to get your food (assuming there is a subway in every town).. it would probably apply to any other sub place without huge and greasy sandwiches.. i dont recommend cutting fat either because its what you need to not to feel hungry.. the feeling of being hungry is mostly caused by hormones, and they disappear only if you eat some fat.. otherwise you will feel like starving even after you eat.. it is also important for the intake of non-waterbased vitamins.. many of vitamins cant be absorbed by your body if there is no fat in the food.. __________________ Last edited by Lane; 04-15-2003 at 05:48 PM..

04-15-2003, 05:50 PM	#42
AllisonWonderland Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: oHIo Posts: 248	Centurion, I second everything that Tala said. Atkins works. I've lost 50 lbs. since the end of July. I stick with a ratio of 65% fat, 30% Protein, and 5% carbs. I would post my latest blood readings here if I had them. I'd be happy to compare mine with you. Drop the bars, they do stall some people (like me), and they taste like Playdoh anyways. I try to say with whole foods, and none of the pre-packaged stuff. If you must eat them, eat no more than 1/4 bar per day and see if that helps. I also went from drinking a 12-pack of Mt. Dew a day to maybe 1 can of Diet Rite per month. I have Type 2 diabetes, which is insulin resistance. Low carbing is an excellent way for people with insulin resistance to lose weight. Do you carry most of your weight around your belly and hips? That's where the insulin that turns to fat settles, as in insulin resistance. Both my PCP and my Endo agree with and support low-carbing, in disagreement with the Google-educatd online doctors here. No, Dr. Atkins did not have a heart attack. He had an infection in his heart, and now he has a seriious head injury. Neither caused by low-carbing. Atkins has studies to back up all of his claims, just check out the book, he lists them all in detail. You think a balanced diet is the food pyramid? That's the biggest joke of all. TGF - Show us an example of a food that has 60 grams of carbs and 85 grams of fiber.

04-15-2003, 05:59 PM	#43
Centurion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: SeATtle Posts: 6,033	What about fruits? No, I mean the type that grow on trees! (I AM gay friendly!) I read where an apple WITH skin on it is about 21 grams of carbs. But i can't find out how many carbs there are in a regular size SKINNED apple. Anyone know? I keep reading where 1 cup of soymilk is 4-5 grams of carbs..but on the carton, it says 8 grams (unflavored), with 0 grams for diet. So I don't know where these carb counters come up with 4-5 carbs. Finally, was really suprised to see where a ham and egg omlette (two eggs) was 6.7 grams. Where do all those grams come from?

04-15-2003, 06:17 PM	#45
StacyCat Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,167	I dont feel like reading the whole thread, but i'll reply to your initial message. First, give up the atkins or carbolite bars. There is some resistance for some people to the gliceryn used in them. Secondly, what the hell are yuo doing eating fat free cheese? One, that stuff tastes horrible, and two, you can have the real thing! If you are looking for a "lower fat" version of atkins, try a program called body for life.

04-15-2003, 06:49 PM	#47
AllisonWonderland Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: oHIo Posts: 248	As StacyCat mentioned, the bars have glycerine in them, and that is known to stall some people. It stalls me. I don't "object" to them, I simply recommend against them The single thing that disappoints me about the Atkins-machine is the product line they push. You don't need any of the products to successfully low-carb, but many people do eat the bars with no ill effects. I'm just not one of them. Try checking out the forums at www.lowcarbfriends.com - especially the "Lobby". Try a week or 2 without the bars, and see if that breaks your stall.

04-15-2003, 07:03 PM	#49
AllisonWonderland Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: oHIo Posts: 248	Yep, we even had our own version of Pathfinder there recently-there's drama everywhere! http://www.low-carb-friends.com/bbs/...threadid=84745

04-15-2003, 07:03 PM	#50
Iced Out Gear Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 10	Beware of that diet. As soos as you put carbs back in your diet ans stop excersing you blow up like a house __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.