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BV · 04-15-2003, 07:04 PM

Go to any nursing home and tell me how many fat people you see.

Centurion · 04-15-2003, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by Iced Out Gear
Beware of that diet. As soos as you put carbs back in your diet ans stop excersing you blow up like a house

A "DUH!" for you!

Centurion · 04-15-2003, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by BV
Go to any nursing home and tell me how many fat people you see.

And a "DUH DUH" for you!

Za Ha · 04-15-2003, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by Lane
if you have to burn over 5k calories per day..

WHAT CAN U POSSIBLY DO TO BURN 5000 CALORIES A DAY?

Za Ha · 04-15-2003, 07:15 PM

I have tried to get in shape in did it in 2 months without any stupid diet.

I tried the diet thing and is bs (not atkins).
Went from 201lb to 178lb in like 4 weeks.

I just go to the gym 6 days a week and eat a bit less. Thats it! And I eat what I want, and have a few drinks from time to time.

BTW,

Have you ever seen those commercials for donations to 3rd world countries? Those ppl are starving and not one of them is fat....

Try that diet, don't eat for like a week, just drink water, and u will drop those pounds no prob.

Pleasurepays · 04-15-2003, 07:21 PM

i think that people get frustrated sometimes because they confuse a lot of the initial weight loss as being fat when in is fact it is half or more from dehydration of your body. water is very heavy. thats why you lose weight fast in two weeks and then it slows. it creates a wrong picture and wrong expectations. atkins also does not address this in any way to my knowledge or even talk about it.

when you deplete glycogen stores (stored sugar) in your muscle, you also dehydrate your muscles and your body since water is stored in conjunction with that sugar. i think the number is something like 4:1. meaning that for every gram of glycogen in your muscles, your body stores 4 grams of water. so fairly significant dehydration can occur in the first few weeks.

thats why you also will most likely be constipated because your body attempts to scavenge water from your bowels.

if you are interested more in the physiology of how the diet works... read this book "the ketogenic diet" by Lyle McDonald. if you are interested in a short explanation of the physiology behind it read here http://low-carb.org/lylemcd/cyclic1.htm (but not that this is a different variation of the diet which is explained)

most likely, if you hit a plateau or stopped losing weight, it is because your body is starting to react to the diet and the sudden drop in body fat and is trying to adapt or because you ate too much carbs one day. remember that fat is also very heavy and takes a long time to process. you could just have a bunch of poo inside you also

the most common reason for me to stop losing weight if/when i do this, is that i start drinking too much diet pepsi. i think the citric acid (is an artificial sweetner) causes it and i am very sure that caffein does not as Atkins suggests. if i stop drinking everything and start drinking only water for a couple days, its fine again.

eating a lot of fat is important as well for your body to burn fat in this manner. you should not be eating "fat free" anything because that defeats the very process at work. having a very low ratio of fat to protein could be why your body would react as well and try to protect fat stores.

you should not get impatient or frustrated... just be consistent and exercise and everything will be ok.

you are doing the right thing about trying to get information. dont listen to people. talking about nutrition is often no more useful than debating abortion or global politics with most people. i would recommend that you just try to read as much as you can from as many sources you can and make your own decisions about what works and what doesn't for you.

BV · 04-15-2003, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by Centurion

And a "DUH DUH" for you!

I'm on your side homey, read my post again. You won't find any fat people in a freaking nursing home because they're all dead allready!

Hence, if eating a low carb hi fat diet works for you and makes you thin chances are you wont die prematurely and you will end up in a nice nursing home someday pnching nurses asses!

Centurion · 04-15-2003, 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by BV

I'm on your side homey, read my post again. You won't find any fat people in a freaking nursing home because they're all dead allready!

Hence, if eating a low carb hi fat diet works for you and makes you thin chances are you wont die prematurely and you will end up in a nice nursing home someday pnching nurses asses!

Hokay..can I pinch yours now?

Centurion · 04-15-2003, 07:59 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pleasurepays
water is very heavy. thats why you lose weight fast in two weeks and then it slows. it creates a wrong picture and wrong expectations. atkins also does not address this in any way to my knowledge or even talk about it.
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I truly do appreciate informed & intelligent people like yourself that take the time to write out such a well thought out message. You and a few others should pat yourselves on the back!

Now, as for water..actually Atkins & the gang DO address that and advise drinking a LOT of water (I don't know if they give out any minimum amounts or not.). I know I do drink a lot..and constipation is not something I've had with this diet. In fact, quite the opposite..very regular type of guy!
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most likely, if you hit a plateau or stopped losing weight, it is because your body is starting to react to the diet and the sudden drop in body fat and is trying to adapt or because you ate too much carbs one day. remember that fat is also very heavy and takes a long time to process. you could just have a bunch of poo inside you also

Hey..are you saying I'm full of IT!? grin
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the most common reason for me to stop losing weight if/when i do this, is that i start drinking too much diet pepsi. i think the citric acid (is an artificial sweetner) causes it and i am very sure that caffein does not as Atkins suggests. if i stop drinking everything and start drinking only water for a couple days, its fine again.

ya..though a couple of long time Atkin's folks say they drink a lot of diet pop and still manage to lose the weight..of course, almost anything & everything is different for everyone. That's why I'm trying the Da Vinci syrups & club soda. Quite tasty actually.

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you should not get impatient or frustrated... just be consistent and exercise and everything will be ok.

I'm not really all that frustrated..more like puzzled and with anything new, am in the learning process. But I've already had great results in my blood glucose levels & cholesterol, so I'm not at all unhappy.

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jonesy · 04-16-2003, 08:10 AM

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Originally posted by Centurion

I wish it was true..but it's not..at least for me. I was on a supervised low fat diet for over 1 year. And yes, it was combined with daily exercise..made almost NO dent in my weight loss.

At least with Atkins, besides losing weight, I've had my blood sugar levels return to normal (I'm type II diabetic), and have a fasting sugar level of 88, and a 5.7% rate. It has even lowered my cholesterol level to under 200, increased the good chol & lowered the bad.

Cent,

I was making a broad statement saying fuck atkins.

It was meant for the lazy who want a quick fix in weight lose.

atkins has helped a lot of people and has had the opposite effect also.

My advice to anyone checking out atkins is GO TO YOUR DOCTOR FIRST or read up on nutrition.

My neighbor started atkins and had a mini stroke (hes only 38 and thasts young.) too much protein for his system.

everyones body is different and any sudden radical change in eating habits have a profound effect on the body and shouldnt be taken lightly.

Centurion · 04-16-2003, 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by jonesy

My neighbor started atkins and had a mini stroke (hes only 38 and thasts young.) too much protein for his system.

How can too much protein cause a stroke?

Lane · 04-16-2003, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by Za Ha

WHAT CAN U POSSIBLY DO TO BURN 5000 CALORIES A DAY?

swim over 10 miles plus another hour of dryland practising.

jonesy · 04-16-2003, 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by Centurion

How can too much protein cause a stroke?

I dont know, but in his case thats whats caused it.

I would just ask your own doctor.

04-15-2003, 07:21 PM	#56
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	i think that people get frustrated sometimes because they confuse a lot of the initial weight loss as being fat when in is fact it is half or more from dehydration of your body. water is very heavy. thats why you lose weight fast in two weeks and then it slows. it creates a wrong picture and wrong expectations. atkins also does not address this in any way to my knowledge or even talk about it. when you deplete glycogen stores (stored sugar) in your muscle, you also dehydrate your muscles and your body since water is stored in conjunction with that sugar. i think the number is something like 4:1. meaning that for every gram of glycogen in your muscles, your body stores 4 grams of water. so fairly significant dehydration can occur in the first few weeks. thats why you also will most likely be constipated because your body attempts to scavenge water from your bowels. if you are interested more in the physiology of how the diet works... read this book "the ketogenic diet" by Lyle McDonald. if you are interested in a short explanation of the physiology behind it read here http://low-carb.org/lylemcd/cyclic1.htm (but not that this is a different variation of the diet which is explained) most likely, if you hit a plateau or stopped losing weight, it is because your body is starting to react to the diet and the sudden drop in body fat and is trying to adapt or because you ate too much carbs one day. remember that fat is also very heavy and takes a long time to process. you could just have a bunch of poo inside you also the most common reason for me to stop losing weight if/when i do this, is that i start drinking too much diet pepsi. i think the citric acid (is an artificial sweetner) causes it and i am very sure that caffein does not as Atkins suggests. if i stop drinking everything and start drinking only water for a couple days, its fine again. eating a lot of fat is important as well for your body to burn fat in this manner. you should not be eating "fat free" anything because that defeats the very process at work. having a very low ratio of fat to protein could be why your body would react as well and try to protect fat stores. you should not get impatient or frustrated... just be consistent and exercise and everything will be ok. you are doing the right thing about trying to get information. dont listen to people. talking about nutrition is often no more useful than debating abortion or global politics with most people. i would recommend that you just try to read as much as you can from as many sources you can and make your own decisions about what works and what doesn't for you. Last edited by Pleasurepays; 04-15-2003 at 07:29 PM..

04-15-2003, 07:04 PM	#51
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	Go to any nursing home and tell me how many fat people you see.

04-15-2003, 07:15 PM	#55
Za Ha Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Still lost Posts: 5,112	I have tried to get in shape in did it in 2 months without any stupid diet. I tried the diet thing and is bs (not atkins). Went from 201lb to 178lb in like 4 weeks. I just go to the gym 6 days a week and eat a bit less. Thats it! And I eat what I want, and have a few drinks from time to time. BTW, Have you ever seen those commercials for donations to 3rd world countries? Those ppl are starving and not one of them is fat.... Try that diet, don't eat for like a week, just drink water, and u will drop those pounds no prob.

04-15-2003, 07:59 PM	#59
Centurion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: SeATtle Posts: 6,033	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pleasurepays water is very heavy. thats why you lose weight fast in two weeks and then it slows. it creates a wrong picture and wrong expectations. atkins also does not address this in any way to my knowledge or even talk about it. ------------------------ I truly do appreciate informed & intelligent people like yourself that take the time to write out such a well thought out message. You and a few others should pat yourselves on the back! Now, as for water..actually Atkins & the gang DO address that and advise drinking a LOT of water (I don't know if they give out any minimum amounts or not.). I know I do drink a lot..and constipation is not something I've had with this diet. In fact, quite the opposite..very regular type of guy! ---------------------- most likely, if you hit a plateau or stopped losing weight, it is because your body is starting to react to the diet and the sudden drop in body fat and is trying to adapt or because you ate too much carbs one day. remember that fat is also very heavy and takes a long time to process. you could just have a bunch of poo inside you also Hey..are you saying I'm full of IT!? grin ------------------------ the most common reason for me to stop losing weight if/when i do this, is that i start drinking too much diet pepsi. i think the citric acid (is an artificial sweetner) causes it and i am very sure that caffein does not as Atkins suggests. if i stop drinking everything and start drinking only water for a couple days, its fine again. ya..though a couple of long time Atkin's folks say they drink a lot of diet pop and still manage to lose the weight..of course, almost anything & everything is different for everyone. That's why I'm trying the Da Vinci syrups & club soda. Quite tasty actually. ---------------------- you should not get impatient or frustrated... just be consistent and exercise and everything will be ok. I'm not really all that frustrated..more like puzzled and with anything new, am in the learning process. But I've already had great results in my blood glucose levels & cholesterol, so I'm not at all unhappy. [/QUOTE