If you offer something that is outside of what would be considered "normal" by most people then just fucking say it.

Offering more or less money doesn't make you shady, not paying on multi site joins does not make you shady. What makes you shady is acting like you are running a standard PPS program while quietly sniping sales from the people nice enough to send you traffic.

60/40 was normal a few years back, with just about any program you hit up that you could send traffic to. That didn't make those who stood firm and refused to go over 50/50 shady etc. email collection boxes were a serious no go in 2003 on revshare programs, yet those came in, and surprise surprise the programs didn't all steal everyone's money.

But saying that, it was a flippant comment and not really relevant - my apologies for bring that into this thread :)

also, this thread is about a revshare program, not PPS

If you say what you are doing out in the open it's not shady regardless of how the numbers are swapped around. It's the sneaky shit that people get pissed at.

Please don't do that! The last thing we want to see happening is getting a bunch of one click per month affiliates that use 10 hours of customer service per day then go and complain about how we don't also give happy endings after the ego massages...

No, this is your 1,2 and 3

1 Card banging = illegal
2 Spamming or hidden charges etc = hurts traffic and long term $/click

3 Shaving, leaks, payout fees, payment thresholds, lack of updates, bad promo materials, etc etc etc = b2b affiliate problems all included in your $/click stat.

My 4 does not change just to weasel an argument. Please spare the board of any more weasel activity for the day.

LOL. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh - In Tokyo we call that a double-dick blowjob. Nice work, Relentless. :thumbsup

This is a useful point. Ignoring the nonsense you posted before it, let's look at this point.

What you are saying is you apply a threshold to $/click and bracket sponsors. I do that as well. What one sponsor in one niche pays may be the highest even if it's much lower than a sponsor in a different niche bracket. Also, more to your point, within certain threshold percentages the values are essentially even.

A program paying .011% less than another might not get dropped for a lot of reasons. However if the payouts are 40% apart they aren't in the same bracket. As to how wide those brackets should be, I base that on past performance. If my expected EPC moves up or down by 8% from one month to another in a particular niche, I make the brackets 8% apart from each other for similar sites. That's a business decision based on math and objective values.


I don't trust non-shady motherfucker to avoid becoming shady motherfuckers. So I watch all my stats and if they change the rules in a way that affects my stats, I notice and I make changes accordingly. That's true whether I 'feel' like they were shady or 'feel' like they weren't. It's immediately clear just by looking at my net $/click and nobody can distort that stat.

You trust people much more than I do. You are implying you only watch people you think are shady. That is a huge mistake. For years people thought epassport wasn't shady. Watching people you 'feel' are shady leaves a big blind spot for people you 'feel' aren't shady but end up being wrong about. Instead of watching the people, watch the clicks!

Just like in poker, you can have a 'feeling' about what someone else is doing... But you will win much more if you accurately objectively focus on the cards and the bets. The jack of diamonds is always exactly a jack of diamonds, no matter how you feel about it.

I have hobbies too. Business is not a hobby. If you are comparing one bracket1 sponsor against another bracket1 sponsor there is room for 'choice' but if you are basing your decision on how you feel when the $/click is brackets apart you are fucking yourself, whether you see it or not.

If you really want to show them how you 'feel', make a ton of money, build an empire and rub their noses in it. Create a top quality site that can actually compete. Go out and crush it with the whole world watching. Whining about what is fair or what you wish they would do is not useful to yourself or anyone else. Yes, even if you use the F word and pretend you are a big strong manly man. The facts and the math remain exactly the same.

Unfortunately, asking is pointless. I've already asked Eric (who *I think* runs this board to do just that. Got no response.

This thread is most likely going to be my first and last. Boards need adult supervision to keep the trolls away. There is no adult control on GFY.

Just closed my second deal since this thread started from people I met during this discussion. If anyone else is looking for high quality marketable text written quickly and delivered on time, the thread is the best writing sample anyone will ever give you. Contact me for a free estimate.

Thanks GFY ;)

Your /sarcasm meter is broken :1orglaugh
Far-L is smart enough to understand the power of $/click



P.S. - So is Eric

I agree with you. I don't see anything wrong with bringing this stuff up, especially after contacting the company first. I don't see anything wrong with this thread, other than the fact that I think it's common knowledge that RUC isn't an affiliate-friendly program and I'm surprised people are still finding this out every day. I think using the words "cheating" and "shady" are a bit harsh for identifying a traffic leak, and I don't agree with creating threads for the purposes of drawing a lynch mob.

I think Relentless should take a step back from these threads, as his message got lost sometime in the last teencat thread. I was just trying to re-interpret was he was saying to the guys who react emotionally and get into it with him in these threads.

thanks, im going to drop in one day and say hello, you guys need a socialist over there ... ;)

We get the message. We got the message when teencat brought up what he thought was suspicious activity. May or may not have been suspicious. You're in it for the money and do not really care that a program is shivving you as long as you're making that paper. I think if a program is shown to be unfriendly to affiliates or engages in shady practices in one area it is quite likely they are making shady moves in other areas. Like rebills. Something I brought up but no one picked up on, at least for the record.

Just some of us choose not to work with programs that appear to be less than reputable. No emotion. Its called business ethics. Some of us have them and some of us do not.

I will say JT's sites look pretty but like Robbie, I've always felt they are awfully generic. They all seem the same and not very real. Glad you guys are banking on them. Good for you.

Enjoy the day!

Pretty unbelievable that this thread is so long, yet nothing has really been said! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

$ per click man, $ per click.

Nice.

I was just about to post an example along these lines. Thanks for saving me the time.

I too would rather work with the company that pays $0.25 than $0.26 for all the reasons you listed.

That's a very reasonable post in a crazy heated thread.

And I agree with what you are saying that many factors should be looked at and that a certain mindset is preferable etc... All logical and sound stuff.

What I am against is the derailing of a thread via multiple repetitive posts, name calling, hostility, trolling etc...

This is about 'discussion'. If someone wants to convince the OP or me or anyone else that they/I are wrong I am fine with it. Just behave like an adult.

Tried to import fhg's but none of them were process by smarthumbs,all throwed error,so i was not able to send any hit one way or another.Tho i think key problem is exposure of his content,meaning how there is a chance how everyone seen his content on some of major tubes,and when surfer come to our sites he wont see anything new.

No YOU made it a $/click discussion while, and you can ask the OP, it was originally a "brinning a leak into attention-thread". Now no one want to go through 7 pages of $/click-shit and i'm starting to believe that that was the only purpose of your industriousness anyway... or what someone else also said... it damn looks like autism...

Leaks will give you low $/click:helpme

Maybe... if you promise to keep your $/click-shit out of my moviedescriptions...
You tend to write $/click-stories at places they were not ment to be placed...
I don't want to bother my customers with math...

We're quite social ;)

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3 fiddy people STILL bad at maths.

http://f.cl.ly/items/150z3X100A2t2M3S2i2Q/divvy2.gif

I made $2k less this month than I could have, but at least I know the sponsor I am working with doesn't have a leak on his tour so I WIN!

Fucking derp derp derp.

And if you understand that, then you can see leaks lower the bid from a sponsor and increase the reason an affiliate would move their traffic.
If you look at your $/click you will automatically find every leak... Unless the leak isn't costing you any money, in which case it isn't a problem.
If a program used to pay you 20 per click and then they add leaks so they pay 8 per click you'll see the 12 drop and can take action
If a program used to pay you 20 per click and they add leaks but your per click remains 20 or goes up over 20, that leak isn't your problem
Leaks only matter if they affect your $/click. Shaving only matters if it affects your $/click. And $/click is the easiest most reliable thing you can calculate.
It's math

Going for the best $/clicks where internet, the quality of traffic and the paysites itself are not static things and constantly fluctuating.

You push 100 sites right now while at the same time not pushing a 1000 others.
You cannot even possibly know where at this specific point you get the best $/click
beause results from the past don't say anything about today.

Good luck with grabbing your traffic and send it instantly and constantly somewhere else everytime $/clicks declining. Some bizzmodels aren't suitable for this anyway...
Review sites (and other types) don't select sites on $/clicks... they simply publish sites because they excist... They deserve their traffic is being received correctly. If you as a program accept traffic from affiliates, it's no more then decent to do everything possible to make sure that IF a sale comes out of that, the sale is being credited. Or don't accept affiliates and don't run an affiliate program.

People put effort in pushing specific sites at specific sponsors for whatever reason they have. If it's not based on best $/click then that their choice... You move traffic all the time... others want to build relationship with sponsor and try to constantly improve their ratios... You and your $/clicks theory don't decide for others how they want to work.

So... your $/clicks theory and moving traffic all the time doesn't apply to all situations.
So... everyone that says "could haves" and "would be's" and "posibilities" don't excist are captured in their own autistic way of thinking and working.
Even "could haves" can be calculated with maths...

With math you can also simulate situations and make calculations
and predictions...You can even calculate "could haves" . That might be just as accurate as weatherpredictions... yes...they use math for that too... but sometimes weatherpredictions are very accurate... most of the time they are pretty close.
Did you know that many companies and governments use math to make predictions
and calculations about "could haves" and "would be's"?. That they invest a lot of money and make everyday decissions based on "could haves" and "would be's".
"Could have" and "would be" calculations might not give you an exact number on what will be but denying there are "could haves" at all is just an insult to maths. It is even denying maths... Some people only want to use maths when it fits their agenda...

And... again... let's not forget... this thread wasn't about $/clicks... it was about a leak.

In one reply you managed to struggle with a lot of basic things.

1 review sites can and do steer traffic when properly managed, in fact that is the whole point of that business model.

2 in 2014 if your affiliate business model does not allow you to easily track $/click and quickly change your traffic source or targets you are doing it wrong.

3 If you have a good traffic source and a good target but can not track it or modify it quickly, you have a great reason to build your own paysite, or a terrible reason to build your own affiliate site.

4 when banks start letting you deposit 'could haves' I'll start tracking them. Until then they count for exactly zero.

thx for the post - good stuff!! :thumbsup

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I haven't personally promoted RUC but I do use use a program's ad tools and just simply send visitors to the tour without any crazy tricks or black hat tactics on my websites :) I'm sure I could make a hell of a lot more money by tricking the surfer or creating some large tube site with 770184389 hour long videos but I'm happy with just making blogs and getting the surfer to the tour to see if they want to buy.

Nuances are not for you...

1. Steer traffic? Yeah... sure... but every single site listed... even burried deep... getting only 1 click per month... even that one click per month.... why should'nt that one click be received properly... because it's only one click?
2. - First... People have the right to learn. People have the right doing it wrong. That doesn't mean their traffic shouldn't be received correctly...
- Second... if you push 100 sites now you can monitor their $/clicks. The 1000 other sites you're not pushing right now... you can't monitor their $/clicks right now...
You think you're doing the most optimized thing in excistence while you don't even know where, at this very moment, you get the best $/click. You only know where you get the best $/click at sites you are pushing now! Like i said... traffic and paysites aren't static.

gfy hero huh? Maybe you should not make assumtions... because if people would start making assumtions one might think you just sucked the shit out of your boyfriends ass....

I think i rather light up the BBQ right now and spend some time with my gf...
this is energy flowing thew wrong way....

To end with Lucas' words... have a nice day everyone...

You know zero about how review sites work. Listening to you talk about them is like asking a 4 year old how to drive a car. Knowing you 'turn the wheel' doesn't get you a drivers license because there is more to it than that.

You have put a lot of thought into how not to make money. I would suggest you put at least half as much into how to make money. It will serve you better in the long run. JT actually came and posted a complete answer in this thread.. and you are bickering with me. Did you not notice his post? :1orglaugh

To: Ruseful (Post #354)

I'm the OP.

While it would be nice (i.e., honest) if your program was explained on the affiliate site, the reality is that prospective affiliates must carefully evaluate how any affiliate program works.

But that's not what happened.

My objection to your behavior is that you began your pop-up scam after I became your affiliate (and, of course, did not inform the affiliates).

Your are a thief.

It isn't about if i know how review sites work... it's about receiving traffic propely...
The only thing you do is making distractions

You are so caught up in your brain circle jerk that you don't even understand that it isn't about me putting a lot of thought into how not to make money... Learn to read and understand people first... then we'll talk again...

Yeah.... and? so? Now i need to repeat everything i allready said?
Now everyone can take notice and decide to promote or not...
The main reason i entered this thread was because it was annoying to see
how you were trying to polute, de-rail and distract from the topic...
Read again...

Btw... my bbq is lightning up...

You gonna cry now? :1orglaugh