Thank R_n I only deal with people I know for traffic.

As an affiliate you only ever have 2 choices, send traffic, or don't send traffic.

All this other bullshit is just that, bullshit. I have never given a rats ass what a sponsor does with traffic I send, convert like crazy, or skim it 98% and sell in PPC, I do not give a fuck.

Who sends me the biggest check !!

Picking apart sponsor business models is pretty much a waste of time, coming to gfy with every little traffic leak found is one of three things.

A cry for attention because mommy didn't breast feed long enough (or something like that)

Looking for an excuse to start a piss with someone because you don't like them.

Looking for an excuse to blame your own failures on.

yeah, there are people who dont fucking care and care just about money, but i am not sleeping well if i know someone is stealing part of my hard work ... :2 cents: of course i can leave, but why just to leave after all the hard work you put into promotion, if you found out there is something wrong? its point of view, so we can discuss this forever, but there is only one truth, that ruc have great deal traffic leaks on revshare links, so its good that people care and discuss that on forums ... of course there is more of them, but about other programs people dont care, so its not the topic in this thread ... :winkwink:

big bottom bump

Posting $/click is posting both. If you post sponsorA paid you 8 cents per click that automatically includes everything. If they have leaks or not, shave or not, update or not, have good content or not... It's already all factored into that 8 cents they actually paid you. All the rest is people idiotically grasping at straws to justify the 8 cents or to complain about the 8 cents. None of it changes the fact that the 8 cents is what matters and the 8 cents already includes everything else.

i dont believe you will be quiet, if you knew, that you can make 20c/click than 8c/click ... :2 cents: no $/click answer is needed, i know your logic, just asking, will you be quiet, if you knew, sponsor is taking 12cents from your click so you make only 8cents per click instead of 20cents per click? ... :2 cents: :) :upsidedow

The real solution here is for a sponsor to start a program and announce you will be paid 'up to the actual amount of your check.' No mention of PPS or revshare. Just 'send me your traffic and I'll send you money, if it's more than anyone else sends you... go ahead and send more traffic.' In reality that is exactly the deal every sponsor is offering... Whether they call it PPS, Revshare, CPM or whatever else. It includes all leaks, advantages, problems and everything else.

You send traffic, they send money. You calculate $/click and decide if you want to send more.
The only alternative is to start your own Paysites so people send you traffic and you send them money.
Nothing stops you from doing both.

There is no such thing as should get. There is only what you actually did get. I can't buy food with should get, only with what I actually did get. I don't even read about what I should get. I know exactly what I actually get. If you got 13 cents, that is exactly how much that sponsor is bidding for your traffic. Accept the bid, or reject the bid if someone else bids more.

if you put your time and hard work into promotion of sponsor, that is offering 50/50 revshare, it is about splitting 50/50 of revenue. when there are leaks, it is not 50/50 share, but some, and if you offer that great deal as ruc have, maybe many of percents are not shared with you, the one who is sending the traffic. with ruc, while i have been their affiliate, and they have been producing new sites wirh unique content, i had really bad ratios, that is why i complained, and now it looks like i have found why my ratio, and $/click, was that bad. i asked, got banned. here someone posted sollution, i am happy for that so i know possible reason why i had that bad revenue with them, and, other people here can find the same ... nothing to explain or excuse, it is talking about business, and as you can see, some people care and are full enough of your missleading explanation and out of topic replies ... :2 cents:

Lucas,

You decided not to send traffic to sponsorA based on the $/click being 'too low' and you now send traffic to SponsorB instead. Your actions agree with me 100%. If you want to be helpful, post which sponsors pay you the most per click. That helps others know where to send their traffic. Unfortunately it also leads to the content becoming over-saturated and makes your job harder. All the rest about 'should' is nonsense. You didn't make a decision based on should, you made a decision based on your own actual $/click.

After all these threads, it's interesting to see your decisions are also based on $/click

for example look at pimproll. they are offering links, and it starts at 40pps and 60revs or somehow, and if you unclick popups and xsales, you get to 25pps and 40revs, so everyone can choose. that is how things like that have to work! not like popups or xsales on revs links without letting affiliate know ... :2 cents:

I do agree that Pimproll is an excellent sponsor. Their checks always come on time and I earn a good $/click from them.
I don't care what their 'should' says... I care very much that they pay on time and have a good $/click.

but still, it is good to tell potentional future webmasters that there are traffic leaks, isnt it? :) :thumbsup thats why this thread was started anyway right ... ? :winkwink:

Agreed. What other affiliates see in a thread like this - the sponsor converts pretty well and the affiliate is making bank. But he sees this weird thing happening. He wants to save his traffic with the good sponsor so he wants the sponsor to change the problem.

If Really Useful Cash would claim a rogue employee and remove the pop, everyone would remember it converts well and now has cleaner tours.

It doesn't matter even a tiny bit. What does matter is do they pay on time and do they pay a high $/click.
If a sponsor has zero leaks but pay 0.000001 per click and checks are late they are a BAD sponsor.
If a sponsor has many leaks but pays 100% on time and actually pays 80 cents per click, they are a great sponsor.

Payments on time
Legal business
High $/click

Post about what actually matters. That helps webmasters find good sponsors.
The rest is like being caught in a giant stone vagina. It isn't helpful even if it looks exciting ;)

No. Only idiots care about rogue coders and 'reasons' for high or low $/click.
Professionals understand a rogue coder is already factored in the actual payout amount.
If a rogue coder lowers the $/click value, that isn't my problem.... That's the sponsors problem. Now his $/click is lower and he has a harder time bidding for traffic.

Just because one works in the "porn industry" doesn't mean we shouldn't have morals. That is a ridiculous assertion. I can, to a degree, understand people outside this industry thinking like this, but it's a sad day when the people within it use what we do to condone deceitful business practices.

You are constantly going repeating your $/click theory and while it makes sense, it shouldn't be right to just accept that your earnings will get stolen. You wouldn't accept this in corporate America whether you knew you couldn't get a better paying job or not. Who in their right mind would accept a job paying whatever per year only to find that 20% of your wages has been siphoned off because your employer decided to steal it.

You'll hardly "just accept the fact that from all the job offers received, they were paying the best".

If you've been deprived of sales, it's no longer your "actual $/click" now is it?

1 - Razor, I never said people in adult lack morals. I said people in adult aren't using their morals as the primary motivation for where they send their traffic.

2 - Nobody can steal what you actually earn. What you earn is your actual $/click. Focus on the real number, ignore any promises. From anyone.

3 - corporate America is exactly the same. Your boss promised you a raise that didn't come. He has dozens of excuses. He actually paid you only exactly what he really paid you. Keep working there or work somewhere else. All the excuses about what he 'should pay you' are nonsense.

before they have been outed, they have been of course good sponsor, as they could afford pay good money because they have been banging cards, and they have been paying on time and every time, so i bet you would be defending them as you are now defending ruc, even if you knew nothing about what is really going on ... that is what some people including me dont understand, and are taking you just as a troll who is trying to hitchhike second ruc thread with your $/click logic ... :2 cents: btw, you see, that this is the second thread about ruc, where affiliates are not so happy with their practices or stats? who else have this dedicated threads? you think we are paid by competition? ... open your eyes ...

Yes it is... And that is the point.

A sponsors promises 50PPS
You send 100 clicks
They send you 49.00 for 1 sale.
They say they charged $1.00 for sending payment.

Your actual $/click is 49/100
It isn't 50/100 because the promise of 50PPS is meaningless
What matters is actual dollars divided by actual clicks


Whether that money 'should' have been 50' could have been 60, would have been 90 is 100% nonsense
The number IS 49 according to your bank. That IS the only number that matters.

Search my posts Lucas. Find one where I defend them before or after... Ever.
Never happened. My eyes are open. Yours are too, but you pretend they are not.
Why?

We are paid by competition btw... Each sponsor competes in a $/click auction to get your traffic.

i said i bet you would ... not talking to you about this topic anymore, waste of time, we both know it :)

Ahh so now your eyes are open again. Congrats!
This topic is a waste of time.
Post the $/click each sponsor pays you. Post who pays on time and who doesn't.
Those topics are not a waste of time.

nice logic. :disgust

i think i have posted $/click screenshot few months ago, got like five replies, so not sure if thats what people wants to read here on gfy :)

So you care about helping people? Or you care about drama nonsense? Make up your mind. We both know that screenshot has value and this nonsense doesn't. Why not try to actually help people by showing them useful information and explaining why that matters and this doesn't.

Who actually pays you the most per click, on time and in a legal business? :)

same monkeys throwing shit, different thread. if you chumps spent 1/10th the effort working as you do trolling, maybe you could move out from under the bridge.

i would still feel more like human making 100usd/day legit way, than 10k/day your way ... not sure why i am answering to trash like you, it is like talking to dirty drunk criminal on run, same feeling, same human trash ...

You are not making sense. if you make x/click and by exposing something like this, you will make x plus then what is the downside? The internet only has word of mouth for this business model so why not use it?

so how would you describe not being credited for sales you've sent?

I would describe it as something that lowers the actual $/click the sponsor is bidding for my traffic.

For example:

SponsorA gets 100 clicks from me and brings in 3 sales. He could pay me 90PPS for the 3 sales or he could shave 1 sale and pay me 60PPS instead.

If he pays me 90 he is paying me .90 per click. If he pays me 60 he is paying me .60 per click. If he wants to have leaks that lower his bid or check processing fees that lower his bid per click to me... that's all his problem. If he pays me too little he loses my traffic to someone else who pays me more.

Here is the mind-blowing part. You are getting EXACTLY the same deal explained above... you just pretend you are not, and sponsors pretend you are not. In reality you get exactly what someone actually pays you and you send exactly the number of clicks you know you sent. All the rest is nonsense.

Send clicks, calculate actual $/click, decide where to send your clicks again next time. It's MATH. Up to, could, should, would, I wish, it would be nice if, etc... are all nonsense terms in the affiliate business. :2 cents:

if sponsor steals but still make you good money, it is nice that it is making you good money, but it is still sponsor that steals from you! sponsor that steals, steals, once again, steals from you! do you get it? doesnt matter it have great ppc and so, but, it is still sponsor that steals from you! steals! steal, thievery, you undertand it finaly? the program steals sales from you. steals! steals sales, steals money. it steals money from you! it steals sales, so it steals money from you. do you understand finaly? sponsor that steals from you is sponsor that steals from you! then you are coworking with someone who is thief ... and as you can see me and other people are not happy with that ... i dont say other sponsors dont steals from me, but i never had reason to check, like i had reason to check ruc ... howgh

Lucas,

Write this on your wall to remember:

NOBODY CAN "steal" WHAT THEY ACTUALLY PAY YOU. :2 cents:

you are still wrong. good at wording and so, but wrong in your thinking ... i am sorry ... :)

I'm not your mother.

Relentless, not "trying" to be a dick but sometimes I am one without even trying ... However, is your stance that a sponsor deliberately and consciously shaving sales from an affiliate is simply "lowering the actual $/click"? You don't class this as theft?

If I sign up for a sponsor promising me $30/sale then that is what I expect. If that sponsor tells me it will cost $1 per sale to process it, then I know before hand that the actual net worth of each sale is $49. Similarly, if a sponsor tells me that for every 5 sales, he will deduct a sale then I can choose to accept this since it has been disclosed.

Simply stating as fact that what they pay me is what I actually earned isn't entirely on the up and up. I earned $87 from 3 sales, I got paid $58 because I was robbed.

Would you think differently if a billing company charged 100 members for memberships to your site but only paid you for 90 of them (their charges not included). But you stick with said billing company simply because they provide you the best throughput?

Why should it just be affiliates that adhere to a TOS? Why can't sponsors be held to account for wrongdoing? I mean what's a few fraudulent joins when the affiliate is sending you some real ones too?

as i said, human trash, nothing else ...

I am stating that when I sign up to an affiliate program I do not even read the payout promises. They are 100% meaningless. It is a never-ending and VERY subjective game of would, could should.

Is charging $2 to send a check shaving? don't care...
Is requiring a $100 min payout shaving? don't care...
Is a leaky tour shaving? don't care...
Did they pay me for every sale? don't care...
Other nonsense I can not know because I dont have access to their stats? dont care...


What I DO care about:
1 - Is this business all legally done? If It isn't I won't send a single click.
2 - How many clicks did I actually send them? I know that number exactly every time.
3 - How much money did they actually pay me? I know that number exactly every time.
4 - Do the payments always come on time? Late once maybe, late twice bye bye.
5 - Is anything being done that negatively affects my bookmarkers? That affects long term revenue.

While you chase your tail hoping to catch someone in whatever drama nonsense that may, should, would, could, might cause you to "feel" a certain way. I look at MATH and KNOW for a fact exactly who ACTUALLY paid me the most for my work legally.

Yes. Exactly.

I send 100 sales through processor A and get exactly 92.00 in my bank
I send 100 sales through processor B and get exactly 83.00 in my bank

I dont give a fuck why I got 92 or 83. In this case I do know the exact number of sales and I know the exact amount of money. Why one paid me less is their problem, not mine. What does complicate this scenario a bit more is that as an affiliate I only care if things negatively affect my bookmarkers, are legal and how much I am paid. As a program owner I now have to also track many other factors to arrive at the total value per sale.

All of the principles are EXACTLY the same. You did X work and got paid Y value. That is your actual $/work. The rest is nonsense. :2 cents:

I am in full agreement with you that my text is excellent. The next time your sites need text, be sure to contact me for a price :winkwink: