The owner of the program wrote a lengthy explanation of why $/click is the metric he and everyone else uses. You geniuses are still discussing nonsense. It's mind-boggling that you continue to debate how you feel instead of comprehending simple math.

Fuck Stick.

Hocus pocus
Damian, please try to focus
On the topic for a change
Instead of being your usual douche self

Hi, my name is Relentless.

Don't work for or do business with RUC if other businesses are willing to pay you more $$$ per click/services rendered/hourly/whatever.

I hope JT doesn't mind me habitually throwing him under the bus in these RUC drama related threads.

Don't send traffic to anyone who is paying you less for your work than someone else would pay for it. Also, don't take a job at McDonalds if you can get a job that pays you more doing something easier. However, if McDonalds is the best job you can get, and it pays more than anyone else will pay you... take the job there and work hard at it without any complaints. Do your very best with it, and soon you will find you have more opportunities available.

Get that tattooed on your forehead in mirror image so any time you see your own reflection you can be reminded of these words to live by. :2 cents:

Ouch ..... from the guy attention whoring an entire 9 page thread in a bid for more clients.

I'm just saying the same thing you are saying, just from different perspectives - all the while you keep reinforcing the reality that RUC is a shitty company to get involved with.

LOL

RUC is a terrific company to do business with IF they pay you more per click than your other options.
Just like any other company you might do business with... and yet you are still missing the point.

You own which website?

Go get that tattoo :thumbsup

That you don't get this is what relentless, RUC, and everyone else on the EPC side of the fence is saying, is why you are part-time at this. Any biz owner/employer will tell you the same thing.

Relentless, resorting to insults will not change the reality that you are once again exploiting an RUC drama your own personal gain.

Meanwhile, as you beat your dead horse silly, more people are asking themselves the question, What other corners will RUC cut in order to maximize their gains using my resources? And, will I discover these cuts quick enough and switch sponsors in time to minimize my losses?

This is where your metric begins to fail. Miserably.

Do you have any ideas on how to explain that any 'cut corners' from any sponsor are immediately apparent in your EPC ($/click) stats? He seems to not comprehend that. :error

So you can automatically tell when you are not getting credit for a sale made from your traffic?

Please, bring Markham in here to explain this Magic.

Oh, wait ...... I get it now.

Relentless is saying that you have to actually physically send traffic to sponsors other than RUC in order to determine if other sponsors are giving you more $$$ per click than RUC, which is quite possible given that it has been verified that affiliates are not receiving commissions for all the sales RUC is making from their traffic.

Thanks for clearing that up, Relentless.

I can't believe it took almost 10 pages for you to finally spit that out.

Yes, if it matters I do.

Example for you:
I know I was earning 8 cents per click
Now I am earning 11 cents per click
Whether I lost a sale or not doesn't change the 11 cents.

I know I was earning 8 cents per click
Now I am earning .01 cents per click
Whether I lost a sale or not doesn't change the .01 cents.

What matters in all cases is the $/click, NOT why it went up or down. :2 cents:

That depends on your business model (I know you don't have a business model, but lurkers reading this likely do).

I prefer to send traffic to 100s of programs rather than just a few. That mitigates risk. When any program goes south, fails to pay, drops their $/click in any way it makes it much easier for me to shift my traffic. It also keeps many eggs in many baskets, so even if one or two break, the others are safe.

The alternative, which is just as reasonable, is that of affiliates who focus on a small handful of sponsors. They can get access to all kinds of increased payouts and special deals based on their value to a specific sponsor. I'll likely never be a whale with any one individual sponsor, and Ill also never have the rug pulled out from under me. Others will achieve whale status with specific sponsors but risk having damage done if those sponsors change their tune.

In the pure affiliate model the goal is to grow large enough to be a whale for 100s of sponsors. Something that very few achieve, and the ones that do deserve a massive amount of credit for making that happen. ThebestPorn, FreeOnes, etc are the ones who have managed to do it. :2 cents:

Relentless, could you be a lamb and give me your best ballpark guestimate as to how much money a whale RUC affiliate is missing out on right now because of these bundling packages being sold using his traffic? I know JT mentioned earlier in the topic that there were a few pulling in big checks, but there are so many replies to sift through .........

I'll do you one better than that....

Every whale affiliate... yes, every single one without any exceptions: is either making the same $/click as before, more $/click as before or less $/before. Any whale whose $/click drops either gets it fixed or moves their traffic. No hard feelings, no time wasted, no whining and crying. Either they keep sending traffic or they do not and the decision is based PURELY on $/click.

You should worry more about feeding yourself and less about what whales do to stay fed. :2 cents:

So ..... what you are saying is ..... given the huge volume of traffic they are likely sending into RUC, these whales would experience a very noticeable financial disparity from the next corner being cut by RUC and could then opt to send their traffic elsewhere.

Gotcha.

Thanks.

You attempting to put words in someone else's mouth probably goes much better for you when you are speaking to the thoughtless asshats who usually have conversations with you. You have a much better idea about what they mean than you do about what I mean.

Here is a more accurate statement:
Given ANY volume of traffic being sent into ANY sponsor, whales track their $/click closely and would notice ANY rise or drop for ANY reason. If they can sell their traffic for more money to RUC they will. If something changes and does not affect the fact that RUC pays them the most... they will continue sending their traffic because it has no impact on their $/click.

I'm not one to quote a bunch of things and reply to them with bullet points so I'll just say to the OP, yeah I read your OP and I see you asked if there was a link and he said at this time there was no link for affiliates. That's definitely a very soft "no" and I've heard that before and gotten special permissions before. I did see his post and how he did not want to have an open program and all of the other stuff.

So if I argued for why I should be allowed to promote the bundle and he said no, then I'd ask how long it was going to stay on the affiliate tour and if he would make an option to drop it from my link. If all this fails I would take a closer look at my numbers after it was up for a decent sample time compared to ROI before it went up and keep or drop the sponsor. Sometimes you dump and move on, sometimes you double down if the money is there. How much time / money are you spending into it and what are you getting out. That horse is beaten often but never seems to stay dead.

I just can't call it a scam or shady or whatever else. If he offers a pop-up free link code and it was on that link, then that's bullshit. If he doesn't, then good job checking links and being able to decide if you want to keep the sponsor for whatever your reasons might be. Spilled milk isn't it?

No, really, I get it, you don't have to keep explaining it to me.

At any moment, RUC like any other sponsor suddenly could cut another corner and cost any of its affiliates anywhere from pennies to thousands per month depending on the traffic volume involved ..... at least until the evidence of the cut manifests in their stats, to which they could react by sending their traffic to another sponsor.

You've done a fine job explaining it.

I believe your second sentence much more than your first. :2 cents:

Now all you have to do is copy and paste this quote into the beginning of RUC drama threads and save yourself a lot of needless typing.

... and that is statistically far more likely to happen with a guy who says he does nothing for "standard affiliates" and opened his affiliate program against his better judgment. Given that RUC is a revshare program I think you'd have to be a fool to totally ignore that. It might be different if it were PPS where the most you might reasonably lose is a month or two of revenue but with revshare you can lose up to two years worth of rebills.

90% of the time when a program owner makes a comment such as JT made a few pages back it means the program will be gone within a year or they will otherwise change something so that affiliate income radically drops. The evidence is right here in the GFY archives.

Oh, wait ..... I forgot ..... needless typing at RUC's expense is a necessary evil when it comes to scrounging up more clients .............

I see I was right earlier :2 cents:

Well, it's nice to see you finally understand that forums are for debating issues and that are more sides to every story other than your own.

It's more than a little ironic that you use a dummy as a your avatar.

It is 90% likely ANY program will be gone in a year. Do you seriously not know how many 'small to medium size programs' are now owned by the same small group of large players? Take a look at GFY and see how often people post. Did you get the idea that maybe the industry is about 1/100th the size it was (in terms of people) that were here 5 years ago?

This industry is very quickly moving toward private affiliate programs for professional webmasters and tiny sandbox websites for part timers and conspiracy theorists. Many of the most lucrative sponsors are already private invite only. Instead of making yourself easy to work with, you are doing your best to convince the rest to go private quickly.

You are cutting the nose off your dummy avatar to spite its face.
http://www.qhdu.com/Dummy.jpg

You are on the "side" of nonsense.

This discussion is a solid sphere, and a solid sphere only has one side.

That too is Math :2 cents:

Whiny cunt

I just talked about what was on the other side of the sphere, the part that isn't visible when you look straight at it from the Relentless vantage point in time and space.

:upsidedow

I'm hurt.

:1orglaugh

Yes, you talked about the part that does not exist.

Have luck.

Yeah, have luck. We should do this more often. Over at that other forum. You could try to slip some more insults in when the topic takes an unexpected turn. OldJeff and Damian could chime in as well with their brilliant observations.

Well said and it's something I felt too. I remember in another thread he was talking to himself (in front of us) saying "hmmm, why do people in this industry hate me? Oh yeah! Because I fucked you all by the tube thing."

He was not being aggressive or trolling but I felt it was, like you said, wiping his cock on our sheets.

And that's it. The word 'crooks' .... all those telling us to ignore it for the sake of $/click or it's "just the way they do business" floor me!! WTF ... In many other areas of life people would go to jail and they'd be publicly shamed. Here they are called, "BUSINESSMAN" ...

Keep going. Maybe if you come up with enough examples like these a 'few' people might get what you are saying. Not Relentless of course but a few might.

What you don't get is that people agree that $/click is an important metric and maybe even the most important.

What you don't get is that people agreed with that.

What you don't get is that we are not fighting that.

What you don't get is that all these posters against the OP are not trying to convince us that $/click is best.

They are trying to hijack the thread.

They are trying to keep any talk of shaving undercover.

They are trying to make threads like these so unbearable that we stop making them.

That is what you don't get.

It is not about $/click.

It's about having a voice.

....

I wouldn't bet on that.

easy tiger.. I was replying to a specific post, that Magnetron thought was one thing, and I pointed out was another.

My bad.

The write up above is still valid then for anyone else with the reply, "You affiliates just don't get it ...."