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Can't believe this is still going on!

So if you make more money with a shady sponsor, stealing from you, wouldn't it piss you off knowing you could make even more! with said sponsor, if he/she/it was honest?

"here, shut up and have a few cents more than if u went with someone else, while i take these extra dollars you could have had, to the bank. thank you!"

I wouldn't walk around and brag about that, it really make you sound like you are someones bitch.

If you make more money with any legal sponsor who does not harm your bookmarkers, send them more traffic. If you make less money with any sponsor, regardless of why you earn less.... Contact them privately to see if things can be improved, then improve things or find another sponsor paying you more instead.

Simple math.

when op contacted them privately, they said they do not plan to add those pass sites to the program. now, after op published the problem, the pass sites are available for affiliates, so, lets see but i think there will be more money for affiliates. lets see. but, thing changed and its better for affiliates, because of this thread. so, sorry, you are wrong here. you would better send traffic to some oversaturated sponsor, instead of having this new pass sites included ... sorry, you are wrong, at least in part, so take it, you, sir, are wrong here ... any of your answer will be useless, one ear in, second out, you are out of topic, take it, finaly :) ... howgh :)

btw, just to add, because the sites are added, it doesnt mean those popups will be counting sales for affiliates :winkwink: there still can be hard coded inhouse nats code and we will have nothing ... just, its still better than dont have possibility to promote those sites in no way ... :thumbsup

Lucas, if it's more money for affiliates, that's great news. If you think a gfy thread caused it, you would be wrong about that. Decisions like that are made on a $/click basis by program owners. If adding it earnes them more money then they add it, if it doesn't then they don't. If it's the same per click for you before and after then it isn't news at all. Your stats tell you if it is news, not GFY.

What pissed me off about this thread and others like it is that anyone on GFY who lumps illegal things and bad for bookmarkers things (like card banging or hidden xsales) in with completely legal business decisions like a leak is wrong. They are not the same, should not be treated the same and should be discussed differently. Leaks can be seen in $/click and affiliates can make traffic decisions accordingly. Someone with a pop up isn't a "thief"' .... In this thread people tried to compare a leak to mediarevenue lol. That is like comparing a leaking faucet to a firing squad.

I do hope you earn more per click. :)

seriously you are getting boring :) not reading that anymore, i am sorry :) i have my own point of view, for me all good because of this thread, good work again gfy! :thumbsup

This thread isn't about $/click. It's about a deliberate leak and the responsibility of sponsors to make sure all traffic is received properly when an affiliate-program is offered. Nothing more nothing less... No math needed here...

Wrong... following this logic all sponsors would simply not track affiliate traffic at all because not tracking and not paying affiliate always earns more... Well... in the long run of course this would not work for the sponsor because affiliates would run away fast...
Sponsors should not even bother balancing leaks... Man enough to offer an affiliate-program? Stand up and be man enough to track and credit correctly.

Yes exactly... there's a difference between a facebook- or clips4sale link (leak) and deliberately keeping certain purchase options out of the tracking... It pisses people off indeed...

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What would you know about this specific decission?

You can't calculate causality with maths? Or just love to believe in coincidence?

You can predict causality with math. Not with absolute certainty, but with far greater accuracy than you can predict causality with feelings. That is why we don't announce "I feel like there will be a thunderstorm next week"... we use mathematical models to predict storms.

If you can not see the difference between a leaky faucet and a firing squad you likely never will. However, for the many reading the thread, consider this as a useful analogy. You own a house and it has a leaky faucet in the kitchen. A new faucet and a plumber and all the work needed to replace it will cost you $400.00. Do you get the faucet fixed or do you allow it to keep leaking? That comes down to what the leak costs you.

If the leak is so small that it does not raise your water bill a penny... paying someone to fix it would be foolish. If the leak is loud or doing damage to your sink or costs you money on your water bill each month (which you can easily check by looking at your water bill) you may want to replace the faucet.

In no case is that leaky faucet the same in any way as someone breaking into your house and stealing everything you own or someone putting poison in your water and killing all of your guests. Treating that leaky faucet like it was an illegal act or one harmful to your guests is absurd. :2 cents:

Great! Now calculate for us the plausibleness of causality in this case... The leak and the disapearance of the leak within a week after the start of this thread.

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It's absurd to imply that i ever said that this leak was in any way damaging customers...

This is talking from a sponsor perspective... Yes i'm sure from a home owner's perspective it could be profitable to not fix the leaky faucet.


Accepting affiliate traffic and setting up structures to prevent a part of that traffic being tracked and credited... Yeah... call it a leaky faucet... Your analogy is false because no home owner would ever deliberately damage it's faucet to come in the position to think about whether or not to repair the leaky faucet:winkwink:

Most of what you posted has already been covered extensively. The one new thing in your post is this statement quoted above. I see the affiliate as the 'home owner' of their own traffic. You seem to see affiliates as less than that.

Do you really think asking for promo materials has no cost because it's 'just their money' being spent?' Do you really think there is no cost in calling out program owners over things that have not actually cost you any money? Do you really think there is no cost in equating a leak with illegal activities, theft and harming bookmarkers as some have done in this thread? There is always a cost and in business it is only worthwhile if the actual gain exceeds that cost. If you have watched the standard affiliate model over the last decade, you can see the result of too many people requiring these costs when they got very little if anything in return for the expense (for themselves, for affiliates, or for program owners).

I am very curious:

1 Did you promote RUC in any way before this thread?

2 If you didn't, do you plan to promote RUC now?

3 Was the $/click you earned before this thread high compared to other sponsors you promote?

4 Is the $/click higher now than it was before this thread in any meaningful way?

I am confident your answer to all four questions posted above is 'No.'

So this thread and others like it earn you zero directly, cost you nothing directly, and have a negative impact on the overall affiliate program business model indirectly.

JT... Do you realize this thread would have ended on page 1 if Relentless had not refused to stop running his yap?

Affiliates who promote RUC would be great if you can tell us if you see any improved $/click ratios now that affiliates can participate in the bundles/passes.

We salute you, Relentless. Your nick suits you. :thumbsup

Now...on to the question of rebills. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
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You and I agree completely. A discussion of $/click would actually be useful.

You flip things around... Not the OP is damaging here... Deliberately setting up structures to minimize pay outs to affiliates; to deliberately keep a part of affiliate traffic out of tracking... without logic and/or any reasonble reason, only for the program to increase their profit at the expense of the affiliate, has a negative impact on the overall affiliate program business model DIRECTLY. That's one reason why this shit pisses me off...

because yes... it affects me indirectly... duhhhh

True...

Seems like a business-model-pilot not working...

also is strange that relentless is addicted to ruc threads. there are more similar threads, where he can throw his ppc skills into the ring, but the one and only threads he is insterested in are ruc ... strange, isnt it? :)

1 Did you promote RUC in any way before this thread?

2 If you didn't, do you plan to promote RUC now?

3 Was the $/click you earned before this thread high compared to other sponsors you promote?

4 Is the $/click higher now than it was before this thread in any meaningful way?

Easy questions to answer....

That is very far from true. I have been posting about the idiocy of these kinds of things for years... There are threads on GFY years old where many people including myself and Freeones and others responded about similar topics. To me this is about the subject and the way it is being presented, not about any particular sponsor. You have not seen me tell anyone to send their traffic to any specific sponsor. Only to the sponsor that pays them the best $/click legally without harming their bookmarkers.

Only on GFY can "get the best EPC" be distorted into an attempt to claim bias :1orglaugh

Teencat,

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=915973

Professionals trying to explain the exact same sorts of things since 2009.

Read the thread I linked and what I posted in it five years ago.
In 2009 RUC didn't even exist...

lol, sorry, dont have time to waste anymore :) i see your ppc in that thread, enough :) really :) not reading all that shit, you hijacked this thread in my eyes, the only one that is important for me is that the sites are available for promotion, thanks to op, thanks for gfy and to ruc, finaly :) all that matters here :) see you around, i am out of here :)

Yes very easy to answer... and the answers would probably suprise you...
But... it is off-topic and besides that... you have not-answered so many of my questions directed to you that it feels good to simply ignore things i want to ignore.

I will answer those questions if you answer all my ignored questions to you...

This is on-topic... $/clicks is off-topic

@Lucas you can admit you were wrong and my posts are in alignment with ones I made five years ago, long before RUC even existed.
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=915973
Same discussion 5 years ago

@Struggle
No, No, No and No. Nothing really to add.

oh, thats reply to me telling you are only in ruc threads :) ok, then, i am sorry, you have been also in another thread, five years ago :) hope all is good :) but that again is not the topic here :) :winkwink: have a nice day everyone :)

Thanks Teencat. I accept your apology. Have a nice day :thumbsup

Relentless,

Please quit harassing me at other forums with your crazy notions about how I am lying about you. Numerous other webmasters here have accused you of sucking Bro cock. I am not one of them. I would never accuse you of sucking Bro cock. I never implied that you suck Bro cock. The only thing I've said about you is that you have habitually bumped up two topics about RUC allegedly shaving ( this one and prior to this, TeenCat's ) for your own personal gain ( to acquire new clients in a manner similar to sig whoring ). That is not me lying about you sucking Bro cock. It is an entirely different thing. It is an opinion of mine based upon observation and logic. Honestly, if anything, it sounds more like you are sucking your own cock. Please make better use of your 4th of July holiday time better spent not behaving like an emotionally charged hysterical decision making dumbass.

Sincerely,

Magnetron

p.s. I still have you on Ignore here, but you're more than welcome to make a fool of yourself elsewhere.

Say what, say what, say what, say what? It wouldn't change a thing. It's off topic. Nothing really to add..

mid june to today mid july ratio is 50% better than previous 6 months. But it's possible it could be just some better ranks on google. As sales are better last 60 days which is weird even with a summer slow down.

Your numbers may be unique to RUC affiliates.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1145419 :upsidedow

Which is precisely why you need to track your own $/click and make business decisions according to objective metrics rather than your 'feelings'

Thanks for sharing useful stats Icy, I've been seeing some stronger stats lately across the board. I think the 'summer slowdown' is becoming less significant because the market of actual buyers is shrinking down to be mostly porn fanatics, and those guys don't take months off the way casual viewers do...

Heya Matt, welcome back.... which sites do you own?
I've asked a dozen times but you still can't seem to name one, and neither can anyone else...

Did you own any sites back in your posting contest days here on GFY and then get rid of them for some reason, or did you just never own any to begin with? It's sad that your entire contribution to the industry was a few dozen posts in this thread https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=893005 trying to win a prize :Oh crap

Wow, the websitesecure guy still fisting youporn guy's asshole. Unreal.

Ballz Deep!

Hey this thread needs more $/click being the best thing since Jesus analysis

NALEM is currently in need of a gay writer

Relentless believes $$$ / dick is all that matters.

It's a match made in Heaven.