Exactly. Treated like successful, honest, hard-working businessmen. And people wonder why consumers have such venom for porn sites and some take great pleasure in theft and profiting from it.

And now we have an ass clown hack writer telling us a 3 dimensional object has one side.
I get the shape having no edges but if I am looking at a soccer ball from the west I have no way of seeing what the eastern view presents.

That's the disconnect with people here trying to build legitimate businesses and those who would rob a person lying in the street.

450 battles of good business vs mischievous cunts.

Consumers are not being mistreated in any way by the sites. You think a potential traffic leak bothers a consumer?
This is a potential B2B issue only.
One that only matters IF:

1) you send traffic to the site
And
2) the site is not the highest $/click option for that traffic

All of your weak attempts at insults and other nonsense do not change the facts or the math.

Have Luck.

Dude you already admitted that getting paid trumps $/click. No one is this stupid. So now you are just fighting to fight.

Did you read the post?

Arguing that a potential traffic leak is 'bad for consumers' is patently false.
It is irrelevant to consumers. :2 cents:

Its just scamming affiliates which you are fine with. No problem.

If it does not lower your $/click
1 - It did not harm consumers
2 - It did not cost you a penny

If it does lower your $/click
1 - It did not harm consumers
2 - You should send your traffic wherever it would earn you more


It is not in any way illegal, it should never be grouped with things that are illegal and much more serious. It has no impact on your bookmarkers. That makes it purely a business decision that can be easily calculated by the Math of Net $/click.

LOL

Sarcasm is lost on people in too much of a hurry to point out who the part-timer is ( as if that in itself is a winning argument ) that they overlook the entire post.

However, in Jel's defence, at least he's not an insult slinging asshat like Relentless, Damian and OldJeff.

Does anyone know of a metric for determining the average number of rebills per sale not credited to an affiliate that is being missed out on? Is the average 1 ? 10 ?? 50 ??? Does anyone even bother to rebill with RUC programs ????

nah I saw the sarcasm as it was intended, and was pulling you up that you hadn't in fact scored a point by insinuating relentless was shitting all over JT.

The part-time reference wasn't meant to be an argument winner in and of itself, rather to point out that people who do this for a living, and are in the 7 figures a year bracket, such as JT & co, go by numbers not emotions/insinuations. Whereas part-timers probably aren't in the most knowledgable position to try and score points on instances that never existed, and never will :thumbsup

Take your emotions out of it, keep schtum, and absorb what people are saying - be teachable :) Or don't - if nothing else it's a reminder to myself that I should remember more often :2 cents:

That is an argument winner in and of itself.

Seriously, was there really anything worth absorbing beyond the first post in the thread ( which was where all the vital information was at )?

Everything afterwards was about some people caring about not being credited for sales, others not caring about not being credited and one guy's droning on and on about a metric that was prolonging the topic. Oh ..... and a few trolls taking their jabs along the way.

I myself skipped pages 2 through 7 after nodding off.

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Holy fuck this is still going

There is a high $/click by keeping this thread going yo

so there is one most important answer to the op, and that ruc dont care about affiliates, but about his build tube traffic. good to know, time to leave where they still care about affiliates :) easy and simple, thank you :) not reading the rest of click fight so, end of thread i would say :) have a nice sunday everyone :)

Breaking down the metric

$ = new clients for Relentless
/
clicks = forum page views

What $/click theory here really means is
x number of bro cocks sucked + y ass kissed = z bro drinks :thumbsup

No. A more correct analogy would be:

$ = actual dollars paid to Relentless by new clients from this specific thread + any other value created

Clicks = number of clients who actually contacted me from this thread (all at the total cost of time spent with no other investment)

Page views = impressions

Using that analogy, this thread had a low CTR and a very high value per acquisition.

However, the long tail value is even better than the immediate payout. That makes this thread a much better revshare play than PPS proposition. Also keep in mind every action in it was legal, and this thread had no negative impact on my bookmarkers.

*If you can understand that analogy and apply it to your own business in lieu of chasing your tail and grasping at straws, then this thread may be a profitable one for you as well.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Almost there!

Writers for hire.

They always have to get in the last word.

:winkwink:

:thumbsup

http://www.xbiz.com/articles/180943

If you’ve been in the online adult industry for any length of time, you probably already know about JT, “The YouPorn Guy.”

JT, formally known as Jonathan Todd, was chiefly responsible for guiding YouPorn.com to its user base that grew hundreds of millions of monthly visitors and developing a “content partner program” with more than 2,000 sites.

After selling the tube site to Manwin, now MindGeek, in 2011, JT immediately got back in the game and came up with a brand-new portfolio of paysites under the Really Useful Cash network.

XBIZ World wanted to know more about JT, last year’s CEO of the Year at the XBIZ Executive Awards, and see how he ticks in this month’s Presidential Suite interview.

XBIZ: What did you do before YouPorn?

JT: I come from a travelling family in the U.K., and for years I was a dog breeder. Day to day though, I would work with my cousins erecting peoples garden fences, clearing people’s garden rubbish and we used to build large dog kennels called “sheddles.” I always had an interest in the Internet though, and created a patent on a gaming platform, which failed. From there, I became the sales guy for a mobile technology platform, but unfortunately, that also failed. But it did lead me to email YouPorn shortly after they launched in August 2006, and the rest, they say, is history.

XBIZ: What was it like being part of YouPorn from the beginning?

JT: In one word: Scary. YouPorn was very disruptive to the whole of the adult industry, and we certainly didn’t make too many friends. For the first 12 months I called myself Nora. Shortly after launch, we realized that the business model was not sustainable —not for us, but for the entire industry. We started buying a lot of content but feelings towards us started to change in March 2007 when we launch the industry’s first-ever “content partner program.” This enabled us to receive content direct from the producers and for us to direct traffic back to their paysites. This, along with the content we were purchasing, allowed us to not rely on any user uploads. Very quickly YouPorn became the No. 1 affiliate to all of the content owners who took part in the content partner program. I started to attend trade shows in 2008 but was still very nervous. Its where I picked up the moniker of “The YouPorn Guy” that has stuck even to this day.

XBIZ: After selling YouPorn, what made you go into the production side of the business?

JT: I had so much data from YouPorn that it would have been a shame not to put it to use. I monitored user behavior a lot, and I knew what niches they preferred to watch, how long the videos should be and what the videos should consist of. In 2007, we created an algorithm that was based on the users current footprint on YouPorn. This algorithm would identify content and, in particular, niches that the user would likely enjoy. This was a very valuable tool, not only for being able to optimize banners but also added to the end-user experience with a “we recommend” section. We found this greatly increased average time on site and also average page views per visit. However, it was this data that was the most valuable for me and helped me identify the niches that I needed to create for my new paysite network.

XBIZ: After selling YouPorn, you built up quite a portfolio of sites. How many .com and .xxx sites do you operate?

JT: I launched my first site in September 2011 and I have 22 sites live in my network right now. We launched the worlds first .xxx sites in Casting.xxx and Orgasms.xxx, respectively. We have since gone on to launch StrapOn.xxx, BDSM.xxx and Mom.xxx on the .xxx extension. The other 17 sites are all on .coms.

XBIZ: What type of genre ends up making the most money for you?

JT: We have two different genres in ReallyUsefulCash.com: sensual/erotic and reality/amateur. Both genres do extremely well and have stand-out sites in each. MassageRooms.com, DaneJones.com and Lesbea.com are big revenue generators for us, while in the reality/amateur, FakeTaxi.com, PublicAgent.com and FakeAgent.com are the top three.

XBIZ: What do you base your decision on when launching a new site?

JT: The tubes. I study the tubes for an average of one hour a day. I look at a lot of different content, what does well, what doesn’t, try and figure out the reasons of both. I look at what sites already exist in that niche, and whether we can improve on what’s we already offer. I then speak to my production guys for their input. If we feel the site would be viable then we shoot three to four test scenes. We then use these scenes under one of our existing brands to gauge the reaction from our active members and also the reaction to the tube edited videos on the tubes.

If favorable, we will then look to secure a domain name and put the necessary team into place. All of our sites are stand-alone sites. We recently did a test with two “network pass” sites, which worked very well, and we will also be testing a “super network pass.”

XBIZ: How do you acquire/film content?

JT: We shoot 100 percent of our own content in house. We have film crews based in Czech Republic, Hungary, Germany, U.K. and the U.S. We also have editors based all over the world, and as a rule, we have one editor looking after one website.

XBIZ: You’ve been a true believer of .xxx domain names by acquiring so many through the past two years. What is your reasoning behind these purchases?

JT: Yes, I have over 300 .xxx domains with some very high- profile purchases recently. I truly believe that the Internet is changing and changing for the better. With the new gTLDs ICAAN has introduced, in years to come, it will all look so logical. Banks will be on .bank, Nike products on .nike, obituaries on .rip and yes, adult sites will be on .xxx (.porn .adult and .sex). I don’t think governments will make it mandatory for the adult industry to be on a .xxx domain; however, I do believe that the search engines will give preference to domains that are on the correct extensions.

I am sure though, that SEO, as we know it, will fast become outdated. Not all new gTLDs will be a success — that’s a given.

Some that have launched recently I just don’t understand. But the ones that do become popular will make the foundation for a far-better Internet experience. I completely missed the opportunity with the .coms when the Internet started. I have friends that own some of the best adult keyword .coms around. I don’t want to miss another golden opportunity. Of course, I could be wrong, but a domain will last generations, and I now own 17 of the top 50 most-searched for terms in adult today.

XBIZ: How do you see the adult industry in the next 12-24 months?

JT: I see the content producers coming together and realizing the sheer amount of power that we have. I am keen to see how much traction there will be with “SOPA2” and I am interested to see how adult, and the tubes in particular, cope with the FCC’s new net neutrality proposal.

XBIZ: Does your company have any new projects coming up?

JT: On the production side, we have new sites launching all the time. But I have been busy developing two separate platforms that are going to be very disruptive to their respective sectors in the adult industry. They will be launching soon.

XBIZ: What’s a typical work day like?

JT: Up at 7:30 a.m.-9:30 a.m., looking at stats, looking at XBIZ.net, going through emails that came in overnight from U.S.- based staff, checking out base camp, etc.

9:30 a.m.-11 a.m.: dealing with production managers, speaking with European-based managers and developers.

Noon-2 p.m.: lunch — on location.

2:30 p.m.-5 p.m.: on Skype, doing emails.

8 p.m. until late: dealing with webmaster, developers, emails, look at XBIZ.net and studying the tubes.

XBIZ: When not thinking about the biz, what do you like to do?

JT: I have six children, one new baby in Prague who I see everyday, and five older kids who are based with their mother in the U.K. So as you can imagine, I am pretty busy with them on Snapchat, Facebook, messenger, Skype, FaceTime, etc.

For relaxation I love to drive my cars and I like to play the piano, composing music for our sensual/erotic sites.

and you know what ... jimspass and danespass are now available for affiliates ... :thumbsup yeah, stupid gfy can change nothing ... :1orglaugh :thumbsup

If they earn you a good $/click send them your traffic.
If something isn't available, ask...
Track your traffic, study the math, decide accordingly.
The rest is nonsense.

Nice! :thumbsup

I bet your $/click improves.

:winkwink:

:1orglaugh i think this thread was at least a part of why the multi access sites are now available. and that is the most important in topic of this thread, the rest in nonsense :)

more $$$ / same amount of clicks = happy affiliates

You'd have to ask JT if it was part of the reason. My guess is affiliates who actually send high volume sales asked for it and it cost him zero to make it available to everyone else as well. :2 cents:

Be sure to post your stats. What did you earn per click before the megapass sites became available and what did you earn per click after they became available. I'd be surprised if your stats changed at all. :2 cents:

so you think all those sales which went his way from those popups will be not missed now? i can be wrong, but i think you are now out of reality ... :2 cents:

Only because TC quoted him.

Yeah, those high volume affiliates are getting credit now because they "asked for it" .....

LMAO :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

What anyone thinks does not matter... what the stats show is what matters. Business is not about feelings. It is about tracking stats and analyzing them. Did your $/click go up? Did it stay the same? You can see those stats, it is not complicated.

Send traffic where you get the best $/click legally and without hurting any of your bookmarkers.
Same as before :thumbsup

its not the same as before, as magnetron said, affiliates are now more happy, and that is important. if sales will come up, time will tell, now is the most important that something changed way to affiliates, that is a win here, everything else is not important at the moment :) but, feel free to have last word, i am out here, need to work on some promo ... :)

Relentless why do you keep posting same things over and over again? Everyone already knows your theory:"as long as shady guys pay you more - shut up and let them do it that way. Because all other pay less(because they steal more or they are bad businessmen)".

Webmasters know they could've get more $ with same amount of traffic if shady guys play fair. But they don't(in our opinion).

I think I saw this idea in different variations from you hundred times already.

Is this a Scam?