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Old 02-24-2003, 01:38 AM   #51
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These threads make me despair for art and culture.

Five hundred years ago they had Michaelangelo and Leonardo Da Vinci.

A few hundred years ago they had Mozart and Beethoven.

Today we have Eminem and Avril Lavigne.

What's even more sad is that people actually go out and buy this vile superficial garbage.

What's sadder still is that the US is exporting this putrid shit to countries who have resisted being culturally polluted by our bankrupt culture.

More terrorism please Mr. bin Laden. The west obviously hasn't learnt shit yet.
We wouldn't be exporting the putrid shit if people in those countries weren't interested in buying into our "cultural pollution".

Go think about it some more.
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Old 02-24-2003, 01:39 AM   #52
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what is your deal? what great music do you listen to?
I like classical music and the blues.

I also like selected Rock 'n' roll tracks.

I can count on one hand the tracks I like that were produced after 1975.

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Old 02-24-2003, 01:44 AM   #53
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I dont know to find sadder. The fact that you think what I wrote was somehow some impassioned plea on my behalf, when it was nothing more than stoned stream of consciousness rambling... or that you think a persons worth can be determined by how many people hate you. Her fans like her because someone like me hates her? Who gives a rats ass what a 13 year old girl thinks. And seriously, if you are a grown man who can somehow empathize with the message and style of a 18 year old corporate advertisement that sings songs written by think tanks of old men... then you should fucking die. die die die die, I hope you fucking die.
Don't worry, I'll die eventually.

But no matter what you say, it's completely obvious your ramblings were impassioned.

Usually, when something is as insignificant as her music is, it doesn't cause people to think it's "everything that's wrong with the world".

WHo gives a fuck about her? The more you talk about it, the more it becomes obvious that you do.
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Old 02-24-2003, 01:47 AM   #54
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WHo gives a fuck about her? The more you talk about it, the more it becomes obvious that you do.
God damnit you simpleton. Its not her, its what she represents. Its what the people who "like" her represent. Nothing short of mental illness. She is nothing, a non entity. She is nothing more than another insult in a long line of insults to our intelligence that is repeatedly rammed down our throats on a daily basis. And the fact that some of you see her as an artist or something of value is such a mind numbing thought my brain burns. She is disposable. Next year it will be Avril who?

You really dont see it do you? That scares me.

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Old 02-24-2003, 01:48 AM   #55
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I dont know to find sadder. The fact that you think what I wrote was somehow some impassioned plea on my behalf, when it was nothing more than stoned stream of consciousness rambling... or that you think a persons worth can be determined by how many people hate you. Her fans like her because someone like me hates her? Who gives a rats ass what a 13 year old girl thinks. And seriously, if you are a grown man who can somehow empathize with the message and style of a 18 year old corporate advertisement that sings songs written by think tanks of old men... then you should fucking die. die die die die, I hope you fucking die.
so true

don't get me wrong people and don't ever try to fucking pigeon hole my taste in music

some music i like is performed with 90% raw soul and 10% talent

other music i like is performed with varying amounts of both

give me metal, pop, classical, country, rap, jazz, blues, r & b, world and every other fucking genre....but make sure that the intent, content, expression, production and every other facet of performing or recording is honest
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Please god send a plague to thin the herd.
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Old 02-24-2003, 01:52 AM   #57
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More terrorism please Mr. bin Laden. The west obviously hasn't learnt shit yet.

I wonder who the man (or possibly a woman,......but not likely,.....so back to the man) is who ultimatly decides whos gonna be made into a star? She wouldnt be shit if it wasnt for MTV, & in a few years, shit is all shell be. Shes way to young for all of this, she gonna make all kinds of stupid misakes that a kid makes.

Wonder what her photo shoot fee is going to be for herfirstgangbang.com in about 2-3 years.
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Old 02-24-2003, 01:55 AM   #58
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she's not bad, and cute, and jewish
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God damnit you simpleton. Its not her, its what she represents. Its what the people who "like" her represent. Nothing short of mental illness. She is nothing, a non entity. She is nothing more than another insult in a long line of insults to our intelligence that is repeatedly rammed down our throats on a daily basis. And the fact that some of you see her as an artist or something of value is such a mind numbing thought my brain burns. She is disposable. Next year it will be Avril who?

You really dont see it do you? That scares me.
By your own words, if she is nothing, then she can't possibly represent anything. Non entities can not represent anything more than nothing.

Maybe it's the ganja you're smoking that's making you read into shit a little deeper than necessary. May I suggest switching to crank? At least the insignificant will remain just that.
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Avril Lavigne used to sing country and gospel tunes in legion halls and other places in the Napanee area. It wasn't until L.A. songwriters like Clif Magness and the songwriting outfit Matrix, changed her sound from the schmaltzy country-pop to the punk-rock-skater sound that the Avril we all now know hit the market.

So if anyone truly thinks that her music is of her own doing, then you are delusional.

Death to the music machine.
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Avril Lavigne used to sing country and gospel tunes in legion halls and other places in the Napanee area. It wasn't until L.A. songwriters like Clif Magness and the songwriting outfit Matrix, changed her sound from the schmaltzy country-pop to the punk-rock-skater sound that the Avril we all now know hit the market.

So if anyone truly thinks that her music is of her own doing, then you are delusional.

Death to the music machine.
Why do you know so much about someone you don't like? WHo the fuck cares if she makes her own music? It sucks anyway.
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Why do you know so much about someone you don't like? WHo the fuck cares if she makes her own music? It sucks anyway.

because i read

i know a lot about people i don't like and so do you
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By your own words, if she is nothing, then she can't possibly represent anything. Non entities can not represent anything more than nothing.

Maybe it's the ganja you're smoking that's making you read into shit a little deeper than necessary. May I suggest switching to crank? At least the insignificant will remain just that.
Come on private pyle, you are gonna have to try a little harder than that. As a human being she is nothing. She is just as soulless and mentally deficient as those of you who would call yourselves "fans". She is now a product. Nothing more than a talking and dancing bag of Doritos.

Your blind gobbling down of the corporate cock isnt as infuriating as I have to watch you mindless fuckers all day long on Fox, its when one of the herd decides to speak up and try and add some sort of legitimacy to it that is the most sickening aspect.

If Avril does not represent blind ignorant American consumerism, then I dont know what does.

You support Avril, you support terrorism and illiteracy.
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She is now a product. Nothing more than a talking and dancing bag of Doritos.

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If your Doritos told you to wear a neck tie with a tshirt and cry about skater boys... would you do it?
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If your Doritos told you to wear a neck tie with a tshirt and cry about skater boys... would you do it?
oh fuck

stop it man, you're killing me here

i haven't laughed this hard in a long time
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oh fuck

stop it man, you're killing me here

i haven't laughed this hard in a long time
You're the Ed McMahon to Labret's Johnny Carson, aren't you?

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You're the Ed McMahon to Labret's Johnny Carson, aren't you?

more the Silent Bob to Labret's Jay, but i'll take what i can get
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Come on private pyle, you are gonna have to try a little harder than that. As a human being she is nothing. She is just as soulless and mentally deficient as those of you who would call yourselves "fans". She is now a product. Nothing more than a talking and dancing bag of Doritos.

Your blind gobbling down of the corporate cock isnt as infuriating as I have to watch you mindless fuckers all day long on Fox, its when one of the herd decides to speak up and try and add some sort of legitimacy to it that is the most sickening aspect.

If Avril does not represent blind ignorant American consumerism, then I dont know what does.

You support Avril, you support terrorism and illiteracy.
When you generalize a statement, stop saying "you". If you're speaking directly to me, which I must assume you are since you quote my posts, then you're making assumptions about me that are completely inaccurate and unfounded.

I'm not a "fan" of hers any more than I am a fan of you.

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who's he doing? Ted Nugent or Henry Rollins?

good impression tho
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who's he doing? Ted Nugent or Henry Rollins?

good impression tho
compare me to Henry Rollins that fucking sellout piece of shit.

he has some good anecdotes about the early days of punk rock, but other than that, that sellout needs to die. If there is anything worse than a sellout, its a punk sellout.

As for Nugent, his ass was Top 40 in the 70s. Not as putrid as Avril, but still a product none the less. He would be a bag of Funions.
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re: sellouts

hey they're here to play music, and make money lotsa money doing what they love.. well and pussy too.

Pretty much any band that becomes IT or hits the masses could be called a sell out.
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I tell you what...if I could be a piece of plastic churned out by the music machine and making the kind of money those punk ass backstreet boys do...banging some of the chicks these kinds of people bang then slap a fucking doritos logo on my ass because I'd do it in a heartbet and laugh my fucking ass off all the way to the bank.

My god...I'm a fucking pornographer...I'm selling pussy for the almighty dollar...I enjoy my work but give me a fucking break you're not going to see it hanging in the Louvre 100 years from now.

I gots to pays the bills, my art at this point comes second.
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These threads make me despair for the future of art and culture.

Five hundred years ago they had Michaelangelo and Leonardo Da Vinci.

A few hundred years ago they had Mozart and Beethoven.

Today we have Eminem and Avril Lavigne.

What's even more sad is that people actually go out and buy this vile superficial garbage.

What's sadder still is that the US is exporting this putrid shit to countries who have resisted being culturally polluted by our bankrupt culture.

More terrorism please Mr. bin Laden. The west obviously hasn't learnt shit yet.
More Kylie Minogue, please!
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Kinda Funny that only the popular stuff gets any airtime, there are quite a few awards that are given out, yet they are mentioned as mere blurbs in between commercials.

Charley patton's set called screamin and hollerin the blues got 3 awards. Charley was THE influnece on Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters and countless blues artists. Yet a commercial blurb only.

Basically, Charley Patton was responsible for ALOT of the musicians that influenced the blues, that in turn inspired rock and roll, hard rock, etc into what we all listen today 3-4 generations and 80 years later, Charley is long since passed, but the spirit of the music lives on. Without the early guys like him, the music coudl be ALOT different.

Maybe less of the corporate bullshit music and more of the artists that have genuine talent that have worked their asses off to get it. It cant hurt seeing the sorry state that music is in today in what is called "popular music"
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having said that, i'd hit it.
would ya still hit it?

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Avril is the girl I hate to love... I mean everything about her style, personality, I HATE! I hated how she wore an ugly outfit to that awards show or some show on tv... It was a tie with a tshirt and a pair of long shorts, I believe...so unclassy and the critics loved it. I so don't want to like her, but I love the song 'I'm with you' it's gotta be one of the prettiest songs I've heard. I mean, I listen to that everyday. So, I can say that I like that, but skaterboi and the others suck ass. As far as her looks, I don't think she's ugly. I think she looks like Jennifer Aniston's mini-me.

But think about Britney, how in the hell has she lasted as long as she has? She's pretty and has a great bod, but I rate her voice below zero. She sounds horrible live and recorded. Still she is going to be remembered as one of the great legends, like Elvis and the like (only she can't hold a candle to them)

Someone brought up Norah Jones, YES, SHE CAN SING!! And don't forget Nelly Furtado..Did I spell that right?

(Labret, I just read your title 'A good newb is a dead newb'... ummm.... )
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These threads make me despair for the future of art and culture.

Five hundred years ago they had Michaelangelo and Leonardo Da Vinci.



What's sadder still is that the US is exporting this putrid shit to countries who have resisted being culturally polluted byour bankrupt culture.
More terrorism please Mr. bin Laden. The west obviously hasn't learnt shit yet.
Do you mean the culture that has given the world Crocodile Dundee, Kylie Minogue and Chopper Read? Don't be so hard on Australia, mate, they started as a penal colony where the Commonwealth threw it's human garbage. G'day!
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Someone brought up Norah Jones, YES, SHE CAN SING!!
There are MANY female jazz singer who can sing as well as or better than Norah Jones. Do you think if that exact record had been put out by a 300 lb. blind black woman it still would have won album of the year? I seriously doubt it. Norah has musical talent AND drop dead gorgeous looks. I'm not trying to take either from her. I'm just pointing out that in the marketing of NJ her looks have helped a great deal. And a big FUCK YOU to the Grammy's for not giving my brother Slash "Best Rock Instrumental" award. Was giving that shit to The Flaming Lips an attempt to look hip or something? SLASH RULES!
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haha, most chicks look like crap sans make-up and coiffe imho. not all mind you, but most. fixed up she is cute to me and yes i'd hit it.

yes she is prepackaged lunchmeat but i would much rather see my little sister emulate her than britney spears or christina agu-wawa anyday.
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Last winter/spring I heard 'Complicated' for the first time, I didn't have a clue who sang it, how old she was, was she cute, whether the singer wrote the song, who produced it - all I knew is that is was one of the best pop songs I had heard in a very long time, pop music is it's own genre, you can mock it but it's as much a craft as any other artistic endeavour.

Is she a record company's invention, totally fabricated by the machine run by middle aged music biz weasels? Probably. If so they've done a great job. I give them all props.

As for Avril herself, she does the job, pop singers don't need great voices. She has the voice that fits her music perfectly. She sounded like shit tonight performing live but I've seen her on AOL doing an acoustic session and she has a nice passable voice for a teenaged girl. She could be in 'Annie' or any of those type of Broadway musicals, it's that type of voice. She got lucky, somebody saw the raw material to create Sk8Ter GRRL, and a year later she is the most famous Canadian on the planet.
Well said Mutt
She has some really kool tunes,she's cute and she has a nice voice.
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Let's see a pic of your wife/gf without make up
She's a normal teenage girl, not one of these powder puff club hoppin' whores with globs of make up on
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Well, for once the money hungry promoters got fucked....

All we heard before the grammys was about the New Kid Wiz Avril Labitch (That's for psyko514) and nothing for Nora Jones and guess what, it's the one nobody talks about who wins all !!!

Not that I like her songs, but at least she can somewhat sing, the only problem is that once you finish listening to her album you feel like commiting suicide.

I would also give an award to Nelly, and Eminem for "Sounding like shit without electronic make up" , the only thumbs up to Robin Williams and Aretha Franklin
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I saw her at a local radio concert last year. She sucks live...She was not the band that we went to see but anyways she is a studio performer. ugghhhh
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Not that I like her songs, but at least she can somewhat sing, the only problem is that once you finish listening to her album you feel like commiting suicide.

I would also give an award to Nelly, and Eminem for "Sounding like shit without electronic make up" , the only thumbs up to Robin Williams and Aretha Franklin [/B]
I don't feel like commiting suicide after listening to her album

Do you honestly think that Nelly and Eminem don't use "electronice make up" to make themselves sound better? LOL Roll another one buddy
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Old 02-24-2003, 11:10 AM   #87
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Let's see a pic of your wife/gf without make up
She's a normal teenage girl, not one of these powder puff club hoppin' whores with globs of make up on


Shes not that bad is she????

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Old 02-24-2003, 11:13 AM   #88
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I don't feel like commiting suicide after listening to her album

Do you honestly think that Nelly and Eminem don't use "electronice make up" to make themselves sound better? LOL Roll another one buddy
Well, if you read my post correctly you would have understood that I said the following:

I would also give an award to Nelly, and Eminem for "Sounding like shit without electronic make up"

and the was for:
the only thumbs up to Robin Williams and Aretha Franklin.
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Old 02-24-2003, 11:22 AM   #89
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Shes not that bad is she????

Not bad at all
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Old 02-24-2003, 11:37 AM   #90
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This girl is a complete Moron!

She looks like Axl Rose in drag! She has the personality of a spoiled rich kid.

What we saw last night was history repaeating itself. If your a complete fucking idiot ( as she demonstrated clearly ) you get Fiona Apple'd right out of the mainstream. Fioan had great potential but her spoiled, bratty, bitch mall girl comments and antics made an entire country get over her about ten minutes after her grammy was handed to her.

This Avril will not be around after this run......ever. Take the time to enjoy her rapid decline into obscurity. I actually find it amusing that this brat has no idea the fifteen minute alarm went off last night.

Next stop behind the music and selling her ass for butterfingers on Sunset huffing paint unaware that that she is no longer a star just a tragedy that is allowed in the Hollywood scene for all to marvel at the trainwreck of what was once a lucky girl !!!!!!

Fuck the bitch! I will enjoy watching her career crumble at her own doing.

Hey Avril give Corey Haim a call and get a head start
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Old 02-24-2003, 11:55 AM   #91
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IMO Most ppl suck live
hehehe


I have seen a few that don't suck live . They sound the same as their albums.Guess I have been lucky

David Bowie
Sting
The Scorpions
Collective Soul <----at a bar
ZZ TOP
I was expecting Megadeth to suck live since I heard that they did but they fooled me
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Old 02-24-2003, 11:57 AM   #92
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Well said Mutt
She has some really kool tunes,she's cute and she has a nice voice.

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She is not cute!!!!

If you want to be some band geek sticking up for the outcast girl.....you go
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Old 02-24-2003, 12:31 PM   #93
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Basically, Charley Patton was responsible for ALOT of the musicians that influenced the blues, that in turn inspired rock and roll, hard rock, etc into what we all listen today 3-4 generations and 80 years later, Charley is long since passed, but the spirit of the music lives on. Without the early guys like him, the music coudl be ALOT different.
Charley Patton. I dont even know where to start. Alcoholic womanizing mullato during the height of jim crow south with a musical genius that goes unrivaled. Listening to Charley Patton weave slave spiritual influenced gospel with underpinnings of blue grass into an entirely new genre of music is nothing short of chilling. He is without a doubt, the single most important musical figure of the 20th century. I could rant about this guy for hours.

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This girl is a complete Moron!

I actually find it amusing that this brat has no idea the fifteen minute alarm went off last night.
But you know what...at least she got her 15 minutes...when do you get yours?

Edited to add: Your last post prolly was it.
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i LIKE avril. hers is the only CD i have bought in the last 3 years
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As long as she isnt talking, and is facing the other way, I dont mind her at all.
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i LIKE avril. hers is the only CD i have bought in the last 3 years


Sorry, that just really made me laugh for some reason.
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Old 02-24-2003, 02:39 PM   #98
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But you know what...at least she got her 15 minutes...when do you get yours?

Edited to add: Your last post prolly was it.

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What makes you think everybody wants 15 minutes of fame. Who gives a fuck if I have not had mine, or ever will. The entire topic is one of opinion. My opinion is that her time is up she has been completely manufactured.

I would prefer to live my life as i am living it i do not need to be on access Hollywood to feel as though I have substance.....

So keep tuning into TRL skater Boy and maybe you can win a dream date with future has beens.......Vanilla ice was up for a grammy are you going to defend his artistic merits and applaud his 15 minutes and tell me at least he had his.

You are so quick to snap out and judge where has your 15 minutes been Star Search........aere you really Martin Sheen....maybe your the other living half of the greatest fifteen minute grammy winners errrr grammy returning Milli Vinilli who ever you are or wish to be I am not impressed.
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