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Old 08-21-2011, 11:07 AM   #1
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Oron's reply to DMCA Complaint

Dear Sir,

Thank you for contacting ORON support. We appreciate your business.



Your report has been reviewed and accepted.



All reported files have been scheduled for removal.

Thank you

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We appreciate your business = Thanks for the content we've used and now that all our loyal surfers have watched it already it's useless to us, k thanks.
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exactly

and that was the THIRD time I've sent in that list of links - it's over 2 weeks and they're still not removed.

surely somebody in porn has to be thinking of suing them, I can't even find out where they are - a lawyer would probably charge you 10k just to do the investigation to try to pin down who the owner is and where they really are.
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Kinda sad, but still funny - In some odd way though.
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exactly

and that was the THIRD time I've sent in that list of links - it's over 2 weeks and they're still not removed.

surely somebody in porn has to be thinking of suing them, I can't even find out where they are - a lawyer would probably charge you 10k just to do the investigation to try to pin down who the owner is and where they really are.
Ukraine Good luck.
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Ukraine Good luck.
it's only a year ago their T&C page said they were in Santa Clara, California.

who told you Ukraine? I thought they had 'moved' to a Hong Kong address.
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Ukranian mafia ...
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Owner is a Russian, now living in Germany, and Oron obviously has nothing to do with Ukraine, or Ukrainian mafia, LOL!

Fedor Goncharov - Just Google him out, you might find a lot of stuff, and info about his domain registrar "Dovedo.com". ;)
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Nope, but nice guess.
ok then it seems like you know who owns Oron - so who is it?

it would definitely not surprise me if an adult company or three were now involved in the file sharing business.
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ok then it seems like you know who owns Oron - so who is it?
Stay tuned. I'm not going to post anything like that without verification first.
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and that was the THIRD time I've sent in that list of links - it's over 2 weeks and they're still not removed.

surely somebody in porn has to be thinking of suing them, I can't even find out where they are - a lawyer would probably charge you 10k just to do the investigation to try to pin down who the owner is and where they really are.
Technically if they are repeat offenders, on different content each time they can be liable under DMCA.

Contact Marc Randazza they will go after the scum with vengeance for you.
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Owner is a Russian, now living in Germany, and Oron obviously has nothing to do with Ukraine, or Ukrainian mafia, LOL!

Fedor Goncharov - Just Google him out, you might find a lot of stuff, and info about his domain registrar "Dovedo.com". ;)
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Oron is famous for ignoring DMCA notices.

That's why the file sharing monkees like them so much

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Oron is famous for ignoring DMCA notices.

That's why the file sharing monkees like them so much

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I've got no love for Cyberlockers but, Oron do take links down, usually as soon as 48 hours expire ;)

The monkees just like whoevers paying the most.....Wupload (basically Filesonic) was the latest kid on the block and I saw a lot of users swap their links over, same when Oron came out.




Who knows when new laws will be coming into existence but, you'd think as an interim measure (and without even needing to re-write the existing DMCA) it could at least be amended from 48 hours to 12 hours.
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send a dmca to network solutions, they are the ones hiding the whois. they will quickly either block the content or give you the info you need. considering they are hosted at leaseweb, you have about zero chance of getting any satisfaction in this case.
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I've got no love for Cyberlockers but, Oron do take links down, usually as soon as 48 hours expire ;)
I don't doubt that that's the case when folks like you, or RycEric, or Hustler get on their dick, but they routinely blow off the small to medium sized copyright holders with impunity.

Some of my stuff is still up months after the DMCA notices went out.

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send a dmca to network solutions, they are the ones hiding the whois. they will quickly either block the content or give you the info you need. considering they are hosted at leaseweb, you have about zero chance of getting any satisfaction in this case.
They are just the domain registrar and they won't give out client's info, nor they have anything with the content that is being provided by oron.com.

Every Datacenter is ok with providing of the servers and bandwidth for file hosts as long as they cooperate, and all of them do.
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I don't doubt that that's the case when folks like you, or RycEric, or Hustler get on their dick, but they routinely blow off the small to medium sized copyright holders with impunity.

Some of my stuff is still up months after the DMCA notices went out.

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Have the link numbers changed ?

Quite often, its not that the original links weren't removed, just that the uploader (who is notified through their user account that a link was removed) can easily issue a new link.
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because the cost of a copyright infringement case against a company like Oron would stagger your feeble mind
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I've got no love for Cyberlockers but, Oron do take links down, usually as soon as 48 hours expire ;)

The monkees just like whoevers paying the most.....Wupload (basically Filesonic) was the latest kid on the block and I saw a lot of users swap their links over, same when Oron came out.




Who knows when new laws will be coming into existence but, you'd think as an interim measure (and without even needing to re-write the existing DMCA) it could at least be amended from 48 hours to 12 hours.
Oron is the worst - i have had to re-send complaints many times and have waited as long as 3 weeks.

And there is no 48 hours for removal clause in the DMCA - another huge hole in that shitty law. i forget the legal language but it's something vague similar to 'in a timely manner' and from what I read courts in these cases have considered a week and even longer as timely. the article i read said 2 weeks is getting into a dicey area for a service provider to have not removed content after a DMCA complaint.
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do they actually remove the files, or just send you an email saying they will
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do they actually remove the files, or just send you an email saying they will
It's sporatic. We have to manually verify all oron removals, as opposed to taking their word for it. Megaupload is the same way.
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It's sporatic. We have to manually verify all oron removals, as opposed to taking their word for it. Megaupload is the same way.
i find with most file sharing hosts, the majority of them get removed quickly like rapidshare, hotfile, etc.

I do notice with two, megaupload and mediafire they seem to never get removed, and if they do it takes forever.
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do they actually remove the files, or just send you an email saying they will
they do remove eventually BUT i can't prove it but it looks to me that they don't even remove files, they are in cahoots with their uploaders, they don't remove the files, they just change the URL's and all the little thieves have to do is go back to their threads on pornbb, forumophilia etc and edit the links.

of all the file hosters Oron would be the one to bring down because there's no way in hell any court could consider them an innocent service provider if you can prove what seems to be known by everybody that Oron owns pornbb and forumophilia.

there's a new file hoster that lets uploaders convert their uploaded videos into streaming flv/mp4's - so a tube site and file hoster in one.
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i find with most file sharing hosts, the majority of them get removed quickly like rapidshare, hotfile, etc.

I do notice with two, megaupload and mediafire they seem to never get removed, and if they do it takes forever.
and that's why Rapidshare and Hotfile aren't used by the thieves anymore - it's Filesonic, Fileserve, Oron, Wupload now leading the pack.
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Have the link numbers changed ?
Nope.

The way I check this shit is to open my Email sent folder and click on the exact links that I listed in my DMCA's.

Most of the offending links are killed within 48 hours, but not the ones hosted by Oron.

Those links never die.


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Quite often, its not that the original links weren't removed, just that the uploader (who is notified through their user account that a link was removed) can easily issue a new link.
Yeah, the old Wac-A-Mole routine.

I know what you're talking about, but that's not what's going on here.

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they do remove eventually BUT i can't prove it but it looks to me that they don't even remove files, they are in cahoots with their uploaders, they don't remove the files, they just change the URL's and all the little thieves have to do is go back to their threads on pornbb, forumophilia etc and edit the links.

of all the file hosters Oron would be the one to bring down because there's no way in hell any court could consider them an innocent service provider if you can prove what seems to be known by everybody that Oron owns pornbb and forumophilia.

there's a new file hoster that lets uploaders convert their uploaded videos into streaming flv/mp4's - so a tube site and file hoster in one.
From my understanding (reading the various forums that cyberlocker reps go to etc) they don't remove the master file.....so from the uploaders perspective reuploading the material isn't an issue, you just get a new link and change your posts.
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Then why cry about it here?
Do something about it ..
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I've had dmca take downs down within 24 hours with Oron.
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Oron takes their sweet time since by the time they remove it, they've already made their money and new content is posted in place of what was removed. Start CCing LeaseWeb, their host, when it takes longer than a day.

This goes beyond simple filesharing or trading information. There is a financial paper-trail here of businesses and people profiting from stolen materials.

The fileshare companies make money off the content by making people pay to view it.
They are paying people to steal content and post it on their networks.
Mainstream companies like Paypal are also making money from this.

Eventually this bubble is going to burst and some copyright holders are going to get a nice payout.
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Nope.

The way I check this shit is to open my Email sent folder and click on the exact links that I listed in my DMCA's.

Most of the offending links are killed within 48 hours, but not the ones hosted by Oron.

Those links never die.
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I'd like to do a test here........send me your links and I'll freebie DMCA them.

Email is on my website.
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I'd like to do a test here........send me your links and I'll freebie DMCA them.

Email is on my website.
Domains By Proxy huh
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anything wrong with that ?
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Yeah...What's to hide? Problem with that?
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Yeah...What's to hide? Problem with that?
Nothing to hide and no problem with you asking, just seemed a little terse.

I prefer a minimal web footprint is all.
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Old 08-21-2011, 06:35 PM   #47
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They are just the domain registrar and they won't give out client's info, nor they have anything with the content that is being provided by oron.com
I wouldn't be so sure, technically WHOIS privacy is simply to stop automated gathering of details. It's not intended to completely hide the registrant. Some registrars make this clear but with others you'll only find out once someone kicks up a stink. Moniker, for example, forward you the complaint and say that if you don't resolve it in 5 days they'll release your info.

So Mutt, give it a go, maybe NSI will want to be net police too...
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Old 08-21-2011, 06:55 PM   #48
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I wouldn't be so sure, technically WHOIS privacy is simply to stop automated gathering of details. It's not intended to completely hide the registrant. Some registrars make this clear but with others you'll only find out once someone kicks up a stink. Moniker, for example, forward you the complaint and say that if you don't resolve it in 5 days they'll release your info.

So Mutt, give it a go, maybe NSI will want to be net police too...
A Dmca 512 (h) subpoena, served via certified mail on Network Solutions, may also do this same thing.
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Old 08-22-2011, 02:19 AM   #49
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Owner is a Russian, now living in Germany, and Oron obviously has nothing to do with Ukraine, or Ukrainian mafia, LOL!

Fedor Goncharov - Just Google him out, you might find a lot of stuff, and info about his domain registrar "Dovedo.com". ;)
What he said. Old Whois of pornbb.org:

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Domain ID:D142245191-LROR
Domain Name:PORNBB.ORG
Created On:26-Mar-2007 03:49:24 UTC
Last Updated On:16-Feb-2011 20:28:12 UTC
Expiration Date:26-Mar-2012 03:49:24 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Moniker Online Services Inc. (R145-LROR)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:MONIKER3483376
Registrant Name:Fedor Goncharov
Registrant Street1:Hengstmannstr 7
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Hannover
Registrant State/Province:Niedersachsen
Registrant Postal Code:30449
Registrant Country:DE
Registrant Phone:+7.9187803656
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:[email protected]
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Old 08-22-2011, 06:51 AM   #50
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I'm surprised they take it down. I'm pretty sure DMCA only applies to servers hosted in the US. Using the EU equivalent copyright directive might have a better effect?
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