Oron's reply to DMCA Complaint

**Oracle Porn** · 08-21-2011, 10:09 AM

We appreciate your business = Thanks for the content we've used and now that all our loyal surfers have watched it already it's useless to us, k thanks.

**Mutt** · 08-21-2011, 10:12 AM

exactly

and that was the THIRD time I've sent in that list of links - it's over 2 weeks and they're still not removed.

surely somebody in porn has to be thinking of suing them, I can't even find out where they are - a lawyer would probably charge you 10k just to do the investigation to try to pin down who the owner is and where they really are.

**Frosty** · 08-21-2011, 10:13 AM

Kinda sad, but still funny - In some odd way though.

**Just Alex** · 08-21-2011, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by Mutt

exactly

and that was the THIRD time I've sent in that list of links - it's over 2 weeks and they're still not removed.

surely somebody in porn has to be thinking of suing them, I can't even find out where they are - a lawyer would probably charge you 10k just to do the investigation to try to pin down who the owner is and where they really are.

Ukraine

Good luck.

**AdultKing** · 08-21-2011, 10:17 AM

Who do you think owns Oron ?

**Mutt** · 08-21-2011, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Just Alex

Ukraine

Good luck.

it's only a year ago their T&C page said they were in Santa Clara, California.

who told you Ukraine? I thought they had 'moved' to a Hong Kong address.

**directfiesta** · 08-21-2011, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by AdultKing

Who do you think owns Oron ?

Ukranian mafia ...

**AdultKing** · 08-21-2011, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by directfiesta

Ukranian mafia ...

Nope, but nice guess.

**Frosty** · 08-21-2011, 10:33 AM

Owner is a Russian, now living in Germany, and Oron obviously has nothing to do with Ukraine, or Ukrainian mafia, LOL!

Fedor Goncharov - Just Google him out, you might find a lot of stuff, and info about his domain registrar "Dovedo.com". ;)

**Mutt** · 08-21-2011, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by AdultKing

Nope, but nice guess.

ok then it seems like you know who owns Oron - so who is it?

it would definitely not surprise me if an adult company or three were now involved in the file sharing business.

**AdultKing** · 08-21-2011, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by Mutt

ok then it seems like you know who owns Oron - so who is it?

Stay tuned. I'm not going to post anything like that without verification first.

**Spudstr** · 08-21-2011, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Mutt

exactly

and that was the THIRD time I've sent in that list of links - it's over 2 weeks and they're still not removed.

surely somebody in porn has to be thinking of suing them, I can't even find out where they are - a lawyer would probably charge you 10k just to do the investigation to try to pin down who the owner is and where they really are.

Technically if they are repeat offenders, on different content each time they can be liable under DMCA.

Contact Marc Randazza they will go after the scum with vengeance for you.

**porno jew** · 08-21-2011, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by Frosty

Owner is a Russian, now living in Germany, and Oron obviously has nothing to do with Ukraine, or Ukrainian mafia, LOL!

Fedor Goncharov - Just Google him out, you might find a lot of stuff, and info about his domain registrar "Dovedo.com". ;)

ding ding ....

**topnotch, standup guy** · 08-21-2011, 11:41 AM

Oron is famous for ignoring DMCA notices.

That's why the file sharing monkees like them so much

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**cherrylula** · 08-21-2011, 11:47 AM

good luck it's all in motion

**seeandsee** · 08-21-2011, 11:54 AM

DMCA law, what fuckers made it so bad...

**PiracyPitbull** · 08-21-2011, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by topnotch, standup guy

Oron is famous for ignoring DMCA notices.

That's why the file sharing monkees like them so much

.

I've got no love for Cyberlockers but, Oron do take links down, usually as soon as 48 hours expire ;)

The monkees just like whoevers paying the most.....Wupload (basically Filesonic) was the latest kid on the block and I saw a lot of users swap their links over, same when Oron came out.

Who knows when new laws will be coming into existence but, you'd think as an interim measure (and without even needing to re-write the existing DMCA) it could at least be amended from 48 hours to 12 hours.

**Jack Sparrow** · 08-21-2011, 11:57 AM

Why dont YOU sue them?

**iamtam** · 08-21-2011, 12:11 PM

send a dmca to network solutions, they are the ones hiding the whois. they will quickly either block the content or give you the info you need. considering they are hosted at leaseweb, you have about zero chance of getting any satisfaction in this case.

**topnotch, standup guy** · 08-21-2011, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by PiracyPitbull

I've got no love for Cyberlockers but, Oron do take links down, usually as soon as 48 hours expire ;)

I don't doubt that that's the case when folks like you, or RycEric, or Hustler get on their dick, but they routinely blow off the small to medium sized copyright holders with impunity.

Some of my stuff is still up months after the DMCA notices went out.

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**Frosty** · 08-21-2011, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by iamtam

send a dmca to network solutions, they are the ones hiding the whois. they will quickly either block the content or give you the info you need. considering they are hosted at leaseweb, you have about zero chance of getting any satisfaction in this case.

They are just the domain registrar and they won't give out client's info, nor they have anything with the content that is being provided by oron.com.

Every Datacenter is ok with providing of the servers and bandwidth for file hosts as long as they cooperate, and all of them do.

**PiracyPitbull** · 08-21-2011, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by topnotch, standup guy

I don't doubt that that's the case when folks like you, or RycEric, or Hustler get on their dick, but they routinely blow off the small to medium sized copyright holders with impunity.

Some of my stuff is still up months after the DMCA notices went out.

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Have the link numbers changed ?

Quite often, its not that the original links weren't removed, just that the uploader (who is notified through their user account that a link was removed) can easily issue a new link.

**Mutt** · 08-21-2011, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Why dont YOU sue them?

because the cost of a copyright infringement case against a company like Oron would stagger your feeble mind

**My Pimp** · 08-21-2011, 12:26 PM

bump bump

**Mutt** · 08-21-2011, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by PiracyPitbull

I've got no love for Cyberlockers but, Oron do take links down, usually as soon as 48 hours expire ;)

The monkees just like whoevers paying the most.....Wupload (basically Filesonic) was the latest kid on the block and I saw a lot of users swap their links over, same when Oron came out.

Who knows when new laws will be coming into existence but, you'd think as an interim measure (and without even needing to re-write the existing DMCA) it could at least be amended from 48 hours to 12 hours.

Oron is the worst - i have had to re-send complaints many times and have waited as long as 3 weeks.

And there is no 48 hours for removal clause in the DMCA - another huge hole in that shitty law. i forget the legal language but it's something vague similar to 'in a timely manner' and from what I read courts in these cases have considered a week and even longer as timely. the article i read said 2 weeks is getting into a dicey area for a service provider to have not removed content after a DMCA complaint.

**johnnyloadproductions** · 08-21-2011, 12:40 PM

I thought oron bought out pornbb org and possibly forumophilia. That's where the money making for them is.

**fris** · 08-21-2011, 12:58 PM

do they actually remove the files, or just send you an email saying they will

**RycEric** · 08-21-2011, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by fris

do they actually remove the files, or just send you an email saying they will

It's sporatic. We have to manually verify all oron removals, as opposed to taking their word for it. Megaupload is the same way.

**Abbie** · 08-21-2011, 01:02 PM

Yeah they've been on our shit list too for awhile.

**fris** · 08-21-2011, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by RycEric

It's sporatic. We have to manually verify all oron removals, as opposed to taking their word for it. Megaupload is the same way.

i find with most file sharing hosts, the majority of them get removed quickly like rapidshare, hotfile, etc.

I do notice with two, megaupload and mediafire they seem to never get removed, and if they do it takes forever.

**Mutt** · 08-21-2011, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by fris

do they actually remove the files, or just send you an email saying they will

they do remove eventually BUT i can't prove it but it looks to me that they don't even remove files, they are in cahoots with their uploaders, they don't remove the files, they just change the URL's and all the little thieves have to do is go back to their threads on pornbb, forumophilia etc and edit the links.

of all the file hosters Oron would be the one to bring down because there's no way in hell any court could consider them an innocent service provider if you can prove what seems to be known by everybody that Oron owns pornbb and forumophilia.

there's a new file hoster that lets uploaders convert their uploaded videos into streaming flv/mp4's - so a tube site and file hoster in one.

**Mutt** · 08-21-2011, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by fris

i find with most file sharing hosts, the majority of them get removed quickly like rapidshare, hotfile, etc.

I do notice with two, megaupload and mediafire they seem to never get removed, and if they do it takes forever.

and that's why Rapidshare and Hotfile aren't used by the thieves anymore - it's Filesonic, Fileserve, Oron, Wupload now leading the pack.

**topnotch, standup guy** · 08-21-2011, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by PiracyPitbull

Have the link numbers changed ?

Nope.

The way I check this shit is to open my Email sent folder and click on the exact links that I listed in my DMCA's.

Most of the offending links are killed within 48 hours, but not the ones hosted by Oron.

Those links never die.

Originally posted by PiracyPitbull

Quite often, its not that the original links weren't removed, just that the uploader (who is notified through their user account that a link was removed) can easily issue a new link.

Yeah, the old Wac-A-Mole routine.

I know what you're talking about, but that's not what's going on here.

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**PiracyPitbull** · 08-21-2011, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Mutt

they do remove eventually BUT i can't prove it but it looks to me that they don't even remove files, they are in cahoots with their uploaders, they don't remove the files, they just change the URL's and all the little thieves have to do is go back to their threads on pornbb, forumophilia etc and edit the links.

of all the file hosters Oron would be the one to bring down because there's no way in hell any court could consider them an innocent service provider if you can prove what seems to be known by everybody that Oron owns pornbb and forumophilia.

there's a new file hoster that lets uploaders convert their uploaded videos into streaming flv/mp4's - so a tube site and file hoster in one.

From my understanding (reading the various forums that cyberlocker reps go to etc) they don't remove the master file.....so from the uploaders perspective reuploading the material isn't an issue, you just get a new link and change your posts.

**Jack Sparrow** · 08-21-2011, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by Mutt

because the cost of a copyright infringement case against a company like Oron would stagger your feeble mind

Then why cry about it here?
Do something about it ..

**MaDalton** · 08-21-2011, 01:42 PM

if he's living in germany and posting hardcore porn without age verification report him to the german police - it's a felony

**Anthony** · 08-21-2011, 01:52 PM

I've had dmca take downs down within 24 hours with Oron.

**V_RocKs** · 08-21-2011, 02:15 PM

Rinse and repeat.

**His Infernal Majesty** · 08-21-2011, 02:32 PM

Oron takes their sweet time since by the time they remove it, they've already made their money and new content is posted in place of what was removed. Start CCing LeaseWeb, their host, when it takes longer than a day.

This goes beyond simple filesharing or trading information. There is a financial paper-trail here of businesses and people profiting from stolen materials.

The fileshare companies make money off the content by making people pay to view it.
They are paying people to steal content and post it on their networks.
Mainstream companies like Paypal are also making money from this.

Eventually this bubble is going to burst and some copyright holders are going to get a nice payout.

**PiracyPitbull** · 08-21-2011, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by topnotch, standup guy

Nope.

The way I check this shit is to open my Email sent folder and click on the exact links that I listed in my DMCA's.

Most of the offending links are killed within 48 hours, but not the ones hosted by Oron.

Those links never die.
.

I'd like to do a test here........send me your links and I'll freebie DMCA them.

Email is on my website.

**nikki99** · 08-21-2011, 04:28 PM

fuck oron

**RycEric** · 08-21-2011, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by PiracyPitbull

I'd like to do a test here........send me your links and I'll freebie DMCA them.

Email is on my website.

Domains By Proxy huh

**PiracyPitbull** · 08-21-2011, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by RycEric

Domains By Proxy huh

anything wrong with that ?

**RycEric** · 08-21-2011, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by PiracyPitbull

anything wrong with that ?

Yeah...What's to hide? Problem with that?

**PiracyPitbull** · 08-21-2011, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by RycEric

Yeah...What's to hide? Problem with that?

Nothing to hide and no problem with you asking, just seemed a little terse.

I prefer a minimal web footprint is all.

**rowan** · 08-21-2011, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Frosty

They are just the domain registrar and they won't give out client's info, nor they have anything with the content that is being provided by oron.com

I wouldn't be so sure, technically WHOIS privacy is simply to stop automated gathering of details. It's not intended to completely hide the registrant. Some registrars make this clear but with others you'll only find out once someone kicks up a stink. Moniker, for example, forward you the complaint and say that if you don't resolve it in 5 days they'll release your info.

So Mutt, give it a go, maybe NSI will want to be net police too...

**RycEric** · 08-21-2011, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by rowan

I wouldn't be so sure, technically WHOIS privacy is simply to stop automated gathering of details. It's not intended to completely hide the registrant. Some registrars make this clear but with others you'll only find out once someone kicks up a stink. Moniker, for example, forward you the complaint and say that if you don't resolve it in 5 days they'll release your info.

So Mutt, give it a go, maybe NSI will want to be net police too...

A Dmca 512 (h) subpoena, served via certified mail on Network Solutions, may also do this same thing.

**OneWhoKnows** · 08-22-2011, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by Frosty

Owner is a Russian, now living in Germany, and Oron obviously has nothing to do with Ukraine, or Ukrainian mafia, LOL!

Fedor Goncharov - Just Google him out, you might find a lot of stuff, and info about his domain registrar "Dovedo.com". ;)

What he said. Old Whois of pornbb.org:

Code:

Domain ID:D142245191-LROR
Domain Name:PORNBB.ORG
Created On:26-Mar-2007 03:49:24 UTC
Last Updated On:16-Feb-2011 20:28:12 UTC
Expiration Date:26-Mar-2012 03:49:24 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Moniker Online Services Inc. (R145-LROR)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:MONIKER3483376
Registrant Name:Fedor Goncharov
Registrant Street1:Hengstmannstr 7
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Hannover
Registrant State/Province:Niedersachsen
Registrant Postal Code:30449
Registrant Country:DE
Registrant Phone:+7.9187803656
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:[email protected]

Source: http://www.wjunction.com/showthread.php?t=69326&page=5

**ING82** · 08-22-2011, 05:51 AM

I'm surprised they take it down. I'm pretty sure DMCA only applies to servers hosted in the US. Using the EU equivalent copyright directive might have a better effect?

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