Oron's reply to DMCA Complaint
 

Dear Sir,

Thank you for contacting ORON support. We appreciate your business.



Your report has been reviewed and accepted.



All reported files have been scheduled for removal.

Thank you

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Kind regards,
Oron.com - Support
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We appreciate your business :helpme

We appreciate your business = Thanks for the content we've used and now that all our loyal surfers have watched it already it's useless to us, k thanks.

exactly

and that was the THIRD time I've sent in that list of links - it's over 2 weeks and they're still not removed.

surely somebody in porn has to be thinking of suing them, I can't even find out where they are - a lawyer would probably charge you 10k just to do the investigation to try to pin down who the owner is and where they really are.

Kinda sad, but still funny - In some odd way though.

Ukraine :2 cents: Good luck.

Who do you think owns Oron ?

it's only a year ago their T&C page said they were in Santa Clara, California.

who told you Ukraine? I thought they had 'moved' to a Hong Kong address.

Ukranian mafia ...

Nope, but nice guess.

Owner is a Russian, now living in Germany, and Oron obviously has nothing to do with Ukraine, or Ukrainian mafia, LOL!

Fedor Goncharov - Just Google him out, you might find a lot of stuff, and info about his domain registrar "Dovedo.com". ;)

ok then it seems like you know who owns Oron - so who is it?

it would definitely not surprise me if an adult company or three were now involved in the file sharing business.

Stay tuned. I'm not going to post anything like that without verification first.

Technically if they are repeat offenders, on different content each time they can be liable under DMCA.

Contact Marc Randazza they will go after the scum with vengeance for you.

ding ding ....

Oron is famous for ignoring DMCA notices.

That's why the file sharing monkees like them so much :disgust

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good luck it's all in motion

DMCA law, what fuckers made it so bad...

I've got no love for Cyberlockers but, Oron do take links down, usually as soon as 48 hours expire ;)

The monkees just like whoevers paying the most.....Wupload (basically Filesonic) was the latest kid on the block and I saw a lot of users swap their links over, same when Oron came out.




Who knows when new laws will be coming into existence but, you'd think as an interim measure (and without even needing to re-write the existing DMCA) it could at least be amended from 48 hours to 12 hours.

Why dont YOU sue them?

send a dmca to network solutions, they are the ones hiding the whois. they will quickly either block the content or give you the info you need. considering they are hosted at leaseweb, you have about zero chance of getting any satisfaction in this case.

I don't doubt that that's the case when folks like you, or RycEric, or Hustler get on their dick, but they routinely blow off the small to medium sized copyright holders with impunity.

Some of my stuff is still up months after the DMCA notices went out.

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They are just the domain registrar and they won't give out client's info, nor they have anything with the content that is being provided by oron.com.

Every Datacenter is ok with providing of the servers and bandwidth for file hosts as long as they cooperate, and all of them do.

Have the link numbers changed ?

Quite often, its not that the original links weren't removed, just that the uploader (who is notified through their user account that a link was removed) can easily issue a new link.

because the cost of a copyright infringement case against a company like Oron would stagger your feeble mind

bump bump

Oron is the worst - i have had to re-send complaints many times and have waited as long as 3 weeks.

And there is no 48 hours for removal clause in the DMCA - another huge hole in that shitty law. i forget the legal language but it's something vague similar to 'in a timely manner' and from what I read courts in these cases have considered a week and even longer as timely. the article i read said 2 weeks is getting into a dicey area for a service provider to have not removed content after a DMCA complaint.

I thought oron bought out pornbb org and possibly forumophilia. That's where the money making for them is.

do they actually remove the files, or just send you an email saying they will

It's sporatic. We have to manually verify all oron removals, as opposed to taking their word for it. Megaupload is the same way.

Yeah they've been on our shit list too for awhile.

i find with most file sharing hosts, the majority of them get removed quickly like rapidshare, hotfile, etc.

I do notice with two, megaupload and mediafire they seem to never get removed, and if they do it takes forever.

they do remove eventually BUT i can't prove it but it looks to me that they don't even remove files, they are in cahoots with their uploaders, they don't remove the files, they just change the URL's and all the little thieves have to do is go back to their threads on pornbb, forumophilia etc and edit the links.

of all the file hosters Oron would be the one to bring down because there's no way in hell any court could consider them an innocent service provider if you can prove what seems to be known by everybody that Oron owns pornbb and forumophilia.

there's a new file hoster that lets uploaders convert their uploaded videos into streaming flv/mp4's - so a tube site and file hoster in one.

and that's why Rapidshare and Hotfile aren't used by the thieves anymore - it's Filesonic, Fileserve, Oron, Wupload now leading the pack.

Nope.

The way I check this shit is to open my Email sent folder and click on the exact links that I listed in my DMCA's.

Most of the offending links are killed within 48 hours, but not the ones hosted by Oron.

Those links never die.


Yeah, the old Wac-A-Mole routine.

I know what you're talking about, but that's not what's going on here.

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From my understanding (reading the various forums that cyberlocker reps go to etc) they don't remove the master file.....so from the uploaders perspective reuploading the material isn't an issue, you just get a new link and change your posts.

Then why cry about it here?
Do something about it ..

if he's living in germany and posting hardcore porn without age verification report him to the german police - it's a felony

I've had dmca take downs down within 24 hours with Oron.

Rinse and repeat.

Oron takes their sweet time since by the time they remove it, they've already made their money and new content is posted in place of what was removed. Start CCing LeaseWeb, their host, when it takes longer than a day.

This goes beyond simple filesharing or trading information. There is a financial paper-trail here of businesses and people profiting from stolen materials.

The fileshare companies make money off the content by making people pay to view it.
They are paying people to steal content and post it on their networks.
Mainstream companies like Paypal are also making money from this.

Eventually this bubble is going to burst and some copyright holders are going to get a nice payout.

I'd like to do a test here........send me your links and I'll freebie DMCA them.

Email is on my website.

fuck oron

Domains By Proxy huh

anything wrong with that ?

Yeah...What's to hide? Problem with that?

Nothing to hide and no problem with you asking, just seemed a little terse.

I prefer a minimal web footprint is all.

I wouldn't be so sure, technically WHOIS privacy is simply to stop automated gathering of details. It's not intended to completely hide the registrant. Some registrars make this clear but with others you'll only find out once someone kicks up a stink. Moniker, for example, forward you the complaint and say that if you don't resolve it in 5 days they'll release your info.

So Mutt, give it a go, maybe NSI will want to be net police too...

A Dmca 512 (h) subpoena, served via certified mail on Network Solutions, may also do this same thing.

What he said. Old Whois of pornbb.org:

Source: http://www.wjunction.com/showthread.php?t=69326&page=5

I'm surprised they take it down. I'm pretty sure DMCA only applies to servers hosted in the US. Using the EU equivalent copyright directive might have a better effect?