Israel attacks ships in gulf
 

Looks like Israel just attack that little convoy of ships heading to the Gaza strip.

When will they learn to stop fucking with the Israelis?


ANKARA, Turkey ? Turkey's Foreign Ministry says at least 2 people have been killed and more than 30 wounded in an Israeli raid on an aid ship in the Mediterranean.

The ministry condemned Monday's raid on the ship carrying pro-Palestinian activists, called it unacceptable and demanded an "urgent explanation" from Israel. It says Israel violated international laws and will suffer consequences.

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thats why you don't fuck with israel.

IDF, on land, in the air, and on the water doesn't fuck around.

I don't understand why the Western World have any patience with Israel anymore?
They shit on international rules if it had been anyone else than the USA's best friend in the Middle East they would have been invaded a long time ago.

Attacking an unarmed relief convoy in international waters and killing 16 people is a disgrace and I hope my country cut all ties with Israel for this act of terror, nothing different between this and killing 16 other innocent people with a car bomb in the name of Allah.

Not one mention of it on CNN's US edition page: http://www.cnn.com/

But on the front of the international edition.
http://edition.cnn.com/?cnn_shwEDDH=1

and when will the israelis start acting like a civilised nation? a UN fact finding mission said the blockade on gaza was a war crime and possible crime against humanity.

How is supplying humanitarian aid fucking with Israel? They are dogs, plain and simple.

It isn't...but Israel set up the blockaid to search incoming vessels for weapons of war...not to prevent humanitarian aid.

LOL...come on, the high profile flotilla with Mairead Maguire the Irish Nobel peace laureate, several European Parliament members and journalists was stormed to search for weapons of wars?!? Be serious.

it boils down to this.

If the Arabs put down their weapons there will be no more killing and war.
If the Israelis put down their weapons there will be no more Israel.

The blockaid includes all vessels not just some vessels and the flotilla was aware of this. They were offered safe harbor by Israel for inspection but chose not to afford themselves of this.

Riiiight

So if I take over your house and force you to live in the shed, I share no responsability in your anger, peace all boils down to you accepting to live in the shed.

http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/...alestine_2.jpg

As your grapics show...it was Israel that lived in the "shed"...and when the Arab world...on multiple occasions...by force of arms attempted to kick them out of the "shed"...Israel expanding their living quarters each time...until they now own the "house" and will until hell freezes over. The Arabs may as well get over it...as they are never going to get their "house" back.

Well said man!

So if they were aware of it, makes it ok to follow them in international waters, storm them after they slowed down and changed course, and shoot indiscriminately from close range?

The irony is that I am not a pacifist at all, and I dislike Arab nations more than the next guy, even Dubai the pinnacle of Arab society. They don't like our culture, good for them I reserve the right not to like theirs, but when it comes to Palestine the double standard with Israel is just ridiculous.

They apparently attacked the ships on international water, that is a grave violation of international law and treaties that israel has signed.

Exactly!

Israel has to right to protect it's marine borders!

some of the "passengers" were armed, and there are IDF videos of them stabbing the soldiers, so shots were fired, if it was about the killing, the IDF could have just sank the ships and not risk soldier injury!

Blockaids usually involve international waters and is in fact considered to be an act of war...but then again the Arabs have been waging war on Israel since day one. Of course the country/countries whose flags are being flown on the vessels that are blockaided can legally interpret it as being an act of war...but I doubt that they will declare war.

if the blockade is about "weapons of war" why do israel ban the import of fresh meat, tin cans etc, all raw materials for production and a ban on all exporting of goods? so there's massive unemployment and people can't afford to buy food and have to rely on aid handouts.

any israelis i've met have been very nice people, but what israel as a state do is totally unacceptable in a civilised world. and they can only act like this because of americas backing. its time america was more even handed in trying to sort out the mess there.

You have the right to protect your borders against credible threats, doesn't give you free reign to sink ships or kill indiscriminately.

Like theking said such actions can be considered acts of war.

Wonder what you would be saying if Israelis trying to bring aid to jewish settlers had been killed by palestinians, pretty sure it wouldn't be they have a right to protect... double standards, always.

and you are the 1 to decide what is considered "credible threats"

it's funny though, Israel always gets the attention, interesting that the world doesn't show the same attention to what happens in other parts of the world, like Thailand's southern border for example...

i think they were turkish ships, a NATO member.

This was high profile, if even I knew about the flotilla before they set off, I am pretty sure Israel knew.

Israel gets all the attention, really?? at least 16 people killed by soldiers and it doesn't make the front page of CNN US edition...imagine 16 israelis had been killed..

Doesn't affect the rest of the world like the Middle East does. That being said south Thailand, south Philippines, Indonesia, Nigeria, Soudan... Muslims are a plague. When I fly I pay double the price so I don't have to listen to them speak or spend even a single hour in Doha, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain...but it doesn't mean I have to be a cheerleader and clap all Israels actions :2 cents:

What are you talking about? the king said it best, Israel wasn't hostile. all Israel did is asked to "inspect" the ships for weapons and instead of obeying and docking in Israel, they simply continue and gave a fuck about the countries request. once the Israeli soldiers got on the ships the staff started beating on them. so the soldiers defended their lives, Israel wasn't hostile, and didn't try to stop "humanitarian help" so to say.

I don't know. In ~30 years when most of the mideast oil has run out and the strategic appeal of Israel becomes geopolitically irrelevant enough that the US stops sending them $3 Billion dollars a year and not use it's UN vetos as much it could certainly happen. Turkey is actually forecast to become the regional power again in the next 50 years. I could DEFINITELY see them getting their house back, although the lunar religious right is currently being indoctrinated to blindly support Israel and a necessary pre-condition for the second coming of Jesus so I'm sure there will always be support from the US even if it wanes very considerably.

wait i agree that just blowing up a ship or killing some people is not a good thing, and israel shouldnt behave in such a fashion

but...when armed soldiers, who are known around the world to not fuck around, show up.....you dont try to stab one of them...lol

Good points.

How many of the countries surrounding Israel have sworn to, or made an actual policy that states that Israel must and will be destroyed?

You expect them to just wait?

but why must israel have a blockade of raw materials, fresh meat etc on gaza? how does that benefit israel other than to punish the people there?

nobody is asking you do be a cheerleader for Israel, all is asked, is to understand and respect Israel's right to inspect ships that might carry weapons or terrorists. or should Israel just take the word of the organizers that all is good, and just sit and wait?

I like your logic.

Jewish fanatics that settle in Palestine land have been told by the Palestine authorities, the international community, even the US to leave but haven't obeyed, plus they are pretty hostile, if they get blown to shit no complaints right?

FANATICS are never part of my relation to the country, there are "Islamic and Israeli" fanatics, i`m speaking about the normal law abiding citizens. fanatics are always fueling the shit up regarding to what the country wants on both sides. i`m not referring to those.

finally someone intelligent speaks up :thumbsup

I can understand ships should be inspected, I can also see when there is a huge fuck up (wasn't exactly Hezbollah in those ships, 16 dead ....:Oh crap) or when countries start abusing the moral high ground they once had :2 cents:

I agree:2 cents:

according to the article, they werent "fucking with the israelis" , it was a peace mission bringing things like wheelchairs and humanitarian aid to gaza . It was the israeli's who attacked the convoy. It is pretty sad you support this :2 cents:

It's pretty sad that any jew supports the nazi style gaza prison that israel is creating, especially when the rest of the world condems them and their actions in much the same way the world eventually stood up to the nazi's and saved the jews.

Nobody is asking you to be a cheerleder for the palestinians all that is asked is for you to understand and respect palestines right to inspect israeli ships that might contain weapons or terrorists, or should they just take the word of the israeli's despite the fact the rest of the world openly opposes the actions israel is taking, despite the fact israel has weapons of mass destruction, despite the fact they ignored u.n. mandate after u.n. mandate.

These Middle Eastern countries will never learn their lesson of not fucking with Israel. At this point, nobody gives a shit whether Obama supports them or not, they'll just take matters into their own hands and make the Obama Administration look foolish.

The clueless morons on this forum don't understand this. It's refreshing to know that they don't have any important position or role within foreign policy.

You also know what they tried to bring into Palestina with the last view "humanitarian" transports.?

People are so fucking naive. We just don't want rockets on our heads any more and we will do all what is needed for that.

Looks like SmokeytheBear has no concept of Nazi Germany, or international history for the past 100 years.

I wouldn't say Naive. Borderline retarded and clueless is more like it.

the more I read this thread, the more I see how stupid some people are...

It's good to know that guys like SmokeyTheBear, Slappin Fish, JFK and Michael O, among a few others, can see the picture. The rest look brainwashed.

We don't know
 

We can't exactly know what happened there and what can be in that humanitarian convoy. In same way, American gave weapons to muslim Albanians in Kosovo trough similar kind of humanitarian help. So from my point of view, if Israel told them not to fuck around and gave them option to check cargo, blame is only on arrogant Turks that main goal is to establish Otoman empire again. (and they will in incoming decades).

Isreael did just what would any serious country do in this situation. Of course,It is completely another question will Israel exist once USA stop giving them money and support ( I doubt they will).

lol, yes sure that must be it, and where do you have your facts from again?

Fixed for actual reality.

They'll exist, and they'll be in a war by themselves, which they're more than equipped to handle. The point is, it's a long standing foreign US policy to support Israel. Obama has been pissing on that and making himself look dumber and dumber with each month, but this policy is supported by the majority of politicians, and the generals in the Middle East, so Obama has little say on the matter.

trying to pull the nazi sympathy card on me isn't going to work. Nor does it have anything to do with the topic in ANY way whatsoever other than a conveniant " feel sorry for me" .Yes i realise you have been spoonfed because people felt sorry for you, but that sympathy card is drawing to a close.

Yes i took history i know israel is acting much the same way as nazi germany , and yes i am aware of the last 100 years, the 100 years that israel has racked up more u.n. violations than any other country, yes i am aware israel is the only country in the area with weapons of mass destruction ( illegal ones ), yes i am aware they violate international law in much the same way nazi germany did.


as far as i am concerned anyone supporting this murder of civilians is of the same ilk as suicide bombers and the nazi's. Sick fanatical scum. I'm sure the holocaust victims would be rolling in their graves knowing they died so their families could commit the same atrocities on others or spew verbal diarhea in support of.

Making shit up while talking to your intellectual superio isn't going to work for you.

And this is why you're an idiot of epic proportions, as I've clearly stated by quoting you. Nice job.


Yea, you're an idiot. Please don't respond to any more of my posts because I feel your incessant stupidity will rub off on everyone else.