Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 17214356)

one can say the jews are using fascist or aparteid tactics on the people whose land they took. But the nazis are not comparable to anything else in humanity. just to cite your examples...the warsaw ghetto, Nazis prevented any food or medicine into warsaw. the jews are letting the UN provide humanitarian aid. Arabs have unequal rights. But jews did not outlaw anything they do (marry, own a business) like the 1935 nuremberg laws did. & the arabs were not rounded up & killed in a quest to eliminate their existence from the world. So really your comparisons, FAIL.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17214370)

I was talking to a friend about Israel today, and I mentioned that we send Israel billions of dollars of aid yearly. Israel is a small country, wtf are sending it billions of dollars?

I doubt that we are being black mailed.... but it does make you wonder why we support Israel so damn much.

Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 17214372)

people should just stay away from comparing anyone to the nazis. its intellectually lazy. When you feel really depressed about your life, do some in depth reading on what the nazis did to the jews - The mengele stuff, the warsaw ghetto, the 1945 death march, throwing living jews into ovens. If you got gassed you got off easy.

Raiding a flotilla of rabblerousers was a dumbass move. I expect more from a race that prides itself on its brains & creativity. But step off with the nazi shit.

Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 17214356)

one can say the jews are using fascist or aparteid tactics on the people whose land they took. But the nazis are not comparable to anything else in humanity. just to cite your examples...the warsaw ghetto, Nazis prevented any food or medicine into warsaw. the jews are letting the UN provide humanitarian aid. Arabs have unequal rights. But jews did not outlaw anything they do (marry, own a business) like the 1935 nuremberg laws did. & the arabs were not rounded up & killed in a quest to eliminate their existence from the world. So really your comparisons, FAIL.

Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 17214396)

just my opinion, its not a "fact" but israel wouldnt be fucking up this badly if Obama wasn't such a huge vagina. As soon as the Israelis said "fuck you" when Obama demanded no more settlement construction, & the pussy in chief shrugged, the Shas knew they could do whatever the fuck they wanted. Hence the biden debacle, the flotilla debacle, & numerous other debacles coming down the line when the US president has no pull with Israel.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17214373)

Looks like Israel just boarded another ship - From Yahoo news:

GAZA CITY, Palestinian Territories (AFP) ? An international aid ship en route for the Gaza Strip was intercepted by Israeli troops early on Saturday, the Gaza-based committee awating the vessel told AFP.

"The Rachel Corrie has been intercepted 35 miles off Gaza," a spokesman for the welcoming committee told AFP in Gaza City.

A Dublin based spokesman for the vessel, which is carrying 15 people and tonnes of aid for Gaza, could not confirm the information and said he had not been in contact with the boat.

The Israeli army was also unable to confirm the information.

What I find most interesting is we have a location this time - 35 miles out at sea.

Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17214436)

According to twitter hasn't been boarded just shadowed.. thay're almost to gaza

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17214445)

They can no longer twitter because they have been arrested.


Rachel Corrie aid ship 'seized by Israeli navy'

Saturday, 5 June 2010

One of the last ships on a flotilla carrying humanitarian aid to Gaza, the Irish-owned MV Rachel Corrie, has been intercepted by the Israeli navy, according to reports.

The activists on board the ship reported via Twitter that three boats were following them for around twenty minutes.

Israeli forces then boarded and reportedly placed passengers under arrest.


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-14831352.html

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 17214454)

There will be no peace in Middle East as long Hamas and other radicals rules. When Palestine voted for Hamas they also chose suffering.

The only way to aid their people is to distribute through a checkpoint and let some independant witness the aid is given.

Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17214450)

Spokesman for Cyprus-based Free Gaza group says IDF ships have intercepted the aid ship and have not boarded it, contrary to an earlier Twitter report.

http://www.haaretz.com/

Apparently israel's own newspapers aren't even sure.

Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17214456)

For those who dont know history, israel were the ones who funded hamas.

Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17214456)

For those who dont know history, israel were the ones who funded hamas.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17214513)

Can you back that up?

Sort of sounds like the US with Afghanistan. Sometimes you create a monster to accomlish your own goals.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17214513)

Can you back that up?

Sort of sounds like the US with Afghanistan. Sometimes you create a monster to accomlish your own goals.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17214799)

The Israelis use a different tactic (but the same concept) any food medicine, including the UN's is subject to a 100% import tariff. 80% of all food/medicine in Gaza is from aid relief. In short, the Israelis are making a profit on suffering. So, what was the last country that made a profit off the Jews suffering? Second, there was not a UN in WWII and very few aid relief organizations.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17215070)

Then why put a 100% import tariff in the first place? Also, learn that you make a profit on goods and services when you have ZERO investment in those goods and services.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17216234)

It's not assumptions it's fact and I understand your point. So my question to you is would you put a tariff on goods or services (inspected not to be a threat) to feed and medicate hungry sick people?

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17216234)

My point is, we (non-jews) are reminded often on what happen to the Jews during WWII and practically forced via political correctness to have empathy/guilt for Israel and Jews for not doing something about it. Case in point, normally if any majority persecutes any minority it would be considered racist or prejudice. BUT if you're a JEW those titles don't apply because of their elitist/religious nature and if applied, you would be elevated to an Anti-Semite. Meaning, they want the world to be sensitive to their past suffering and actually created a word for hate, racism, and prejudice that ONLY applies to them.

So you think they would be MORE sensitive to hate, racism, or suffering? BUT as you see they are not. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17217721)

Hear me out on this. Personally, I can give a flying fuck on what the Israelis to do the Palestinians. Honestly. Matter of fact, the Israelis should have never given back the Sinai and should have pushed all the Palestinians there and tell them after 40 years they can come back and we will talk about living in peace together.

I lived there and seen both sides and can roll-out shit Israelis did to non-violent Arabs called Druze. In short, they kicked them off their land and built kibbutzim on their property. These Arabs have never fired a shot at the Jews and actually fought beside them in the wars and Israel has statues erected in their honor. Now, what you need to understand is the Israeli hypocrisy because the Druze were there before there were Jews.

Their religion is so old they were the first to say Adam did not come from gods rib, but was the first man to believe in one god. The Israelis still seized their land and they live in severe poverty, no civil rights, etc. So crying to me about elected officials and a democratic government is all bullshit unless you're a Jew in Israel.

My point is the hypocrisy, lies, and force Israel will use to achieve an all Jewish nation regardless of peace.

Don't be a tool

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17214513)

Can you back that up?

Sort of sounds like the US with Afghanistan. Sometimes you create a monster to accomlish your own goals.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17214368)

He was on a ship that intentionally violated international law.

This happens every day in US waters, and if a ship fails to stop it is physically stopped by the coast guard and boarded with guns drawn.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17214799)

What you FAIL to realize is the Germans did not do these atrocities overnight. It was a progression and how there were able to march 6 million Jews to their death.

WAKE UP

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17218353)

Look it up... I followed off the many links on drudge report.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17218353)

Anyways, The Druze adopted only PARTS of the Islamic religion during the ottoman empire and that was so they could stay alive.

Their religion is much older then Judaism and ironically the old testament mirrors much of it. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17218353)

75.4% of the country is Jewish (democratic) :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17219005)

It's there

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17219005)

BTW did you read up on how the Israeli commando shot an American 4x in the head (on that aid ship) because of concrete and school books?

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17219005)

Not founded but first recognized. I noticed you chose to neglect a comment on the seizure of their land.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17219005)

You miss the point. All majority political parties are Jews. Keep trying ...:winkwink:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17206271)

Again, I can go down the line and punch holes in all the points you've made here but that was not my point. My point was/is Americans are not the reason Kosovo/Serbs are in the situation they are today. Kosovo/Serbs actually had choices to completely avoid this situation and they ignored the warnings and thought it was a bluff and now they are paying the consequences. Simple?

As mentioned, I (personalty) don't care what happened there and the first Albanian I ever met was in Yugoslavia and a total douche. I was 18 years old and just crossed from Greece and we shared a train cabin. This Albanian brought/bought a lot of crap from Greece ie., batteries, Blankets, food, umbrellas, shoes, ETC.

Anyway, I noticed he was pushing his crap close to mine in the luggage compartment of the train cabin. Sure enough, the train stopped and Yugoslav customs boarded and then asked who's stuff (his) this was. I pointed to my backpack and the Albanian dude did not say a word. So the customs agent then took me off the train so I could pay import tax on the Albanian dudes crap.

I told them it was not mine and they told me I have to pay of they will seize the stuff. I said sure, take it, you can have it. Can I go? As I am walking back to the train the Albanian guy sees me (without his stuff) and flies into a rage and runs to the customs agent office. Again, I get pulled off the train and this time customs tell me I need to pay the Albanians tax because half of that crap was his and said we were partners.

This was a great setup because ether you pay or miss your train arguing. Fuck it, I am a tourist and decided to argue as my train pulled out of the station. I argued with those fools for 3 hours and in the end I had to pay $22 for over-staying my Greek visa although I am in Yugoslavia! Then I tried to hop the next train to Austria and find out it won't be there until Tuesday and it was Friday. Fun.

Why did I tell you this story? Because I don't need you to tell me the corrupt practices of the Muslims Albanians. I know I lived it. You people will argue a point all the way to where the original subject was long forgotten just to be "right"....... just like this thread. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17218993)

Conceptually yes, but not to kill them just push them out of Israel. Here's why. It's simple mathematics because Israelis have 1-2 kids on average and Palestinians have 5. They can never join and live in Peace because it's a matter of time before the Palestinians would become the voting majority. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17219703)

And they did. SO if you don't believe me PROVE there is not a tariff. It is just as easy to prove there is NOT one.......... so prove me wrong. If you don't you JEW are dismissed :321GFY

Originally Posted by roly (Post 17218925)

whether the blockade is legal or not under international law is one thing. but its undeniable that its morally wrong to collectively punish all the people there for voting for a democratically elected government (whatever your views on them). if the blockade was to just check for hidden arms why is most stuff banned and the israelis won't say to aid agency's what is allowed and treat it on a case by case basis, and the banned list changes by the day:

"The few items merchants are allowed to trade in are divided into three categories: food, medicine and detergent. Everything else is forbidden - including building materials (which are necessary to rehabilitate Gaza's ruins and rebuild its infrastructure), electric appliances such as refrigerators and washing machines, spare machine and car parts, fabrics, threads, needles, light bulbs, candles, matches, books, musical instruments, crayons, clothing, shoes, mattresses, sheets, blankets, cutlery, crockery, cups, glasses and animals. Many of the banned products are imported through the tunnels and can be found in Gaza's markets.

Pasta, which had been forbidden in the past, is now allowed, after U.S. Senator John Kerry expressed his astonishment at the ban during a visit to Gaza in February. But tea, coffee, sausages, semolina, milk products in large packages and most baking products are forbidden. So are industrial commodities for manufacturing food products, chocolate, sesame seeds and nuts. Israel does allow importing fruit, milk products in small packages and frozen food products as well as limited amounts of industrial fuel."

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...-gaza-1.276147

even the minimal array of food etc that is allowed through is only 25% of what is needed by the people there according to the UN. israel is doing more harm than good to their already poor international reputation. the blockade is nothing to do with arm smuggling and is all to do with oppression of the palestinian people.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17220585)

I fail to understand why they wouldn't allow pasta, or any type of food.

It's very clear what Israel is doing here. They are trying push them out. And they are, very slowly. It's really rather cleaver really. A missile hits Israel, and they put a blockade around the entire area, starving them, and denying them basic comfort creatures like sneakers and what not - making them miserable. Their intention is to get them all to leave the Gaza strip.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17220554)

This is not an accusation or opinion. It's fact, just like how I knew concrete/cement was on the blockade embargo list. I want you to find it because no matter what I link you will suspect it's authenticity or relevance or not being "official" enough for YOU.. Dane, I was serious when I said I lived in Israel and know all the Jew tricks. But you do have the option to prove me wrong by producing an "official" non-tariff goods from aid ships and a link will be fine.