You would believe IDFs military censored information over reporters, politicans, noble prize winners, professors and other people that were on the boats?

Don't you like action movies? The majority just loves it!

Oh.., I got it.., this story draws your attention just bc of its brutality richness. So brutally is actually good for ppl like you, TV-Brains.

Over 30 ppl died in Pakistan last 3 days. Very very brutally murdered. Did you know that? No movies, sorry :)

You know what.., I think Swedish guys participated in it just bc they knew it's going to be hot and brutal. They lo-ove it brutal... trust them. Didn't you know that brutally is a part of the humanity? Look around.

That's why Sweden sells so much weapon to pure countries. I think these members missed something...

With help you we just discovered the mistake of Isralis.

Isralis said "It's gonna be brutal guys!" and wows.. what we see... we see crowds of TV-Guys pleading for punishment... Amazing ah?

Fuck the shit... It looks like they loved it and want even more! :)
I couldn't believe it when i saw them saying "we want more!"

And, you know..., I'm as a pornographer see it in their eyes! Satisfaction!

That would explain all the people israel commandos killed. generally when i try not to kill anyone , a "good" result isn't shitloads of people shot and killed..
huh ? i hope our military isn't this stupid.

They were being murdered, generally when i am being killed i tend to protest a bit , maybe even fight back..

the difference is , the israeli job is to stop starving kids from getting food and medicine , the boats job was to deliver aid. What israel did was unpopular to the REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD ( turn on the tv, u.n., nato , dozens of countries all comdemn the murders )
like the ethnic cleansing and starvation they are subjecting the palestinians to ?

Going a bit too far is like burning your toast or yelling at a cop. Murdering unarmed children and elderly by the truckload because they have a different god is just sick religious fucktards

Why is it that every time there is a discussion some people just can't keep the focus on the topic at hand?

So what your saying is the usa admitted it should have let the commando's board the ship, and you agree north korea had every right to kill all those americans because they weren't permitting north korea to inspect the ship ? furthermore the usa must have attacked first thats why so many people were killed.

Ask them.

I think those "some ppl" opposing/criticizing of your unbalanced views.
Since you have no constructive arguments to criticizm of "some ppl" so you pissed off.
Accept point of view of "some ppl", don't be a kook. Let them.

Democracy.

My english is obviously good enough as soon as you are answering to my messages. We could speak French if you wish, no difference to me, two foreign languages are more then enough regarding my opinion.

I perfectly know what is going on there and what kind of ghettos are made for rest of non albanian (those that were not killed and forced out) people there in this moment and that's what US absolutely support.I could put money on table and bet that I have info that you can't have, and don't want to see, from one simple reason, and that is proximitiy and ties I have there. It would be the same that I try to explain to you about native Indians position and history in US,even worse.

Regarding Bondsteel , I will just paste wikipedia info " Camp Bondsteel is the main base of the United States Army under KFOR command in Kosovo.". Exaplanation about NATO is there and that US role is small, is silly in a same way you are justifying complete war there. Formally, NATO attacked, but just see what was majority of forces and why then other NATO countries didn't accept Kosovo independence and they fight for it . (hey man,they attacked like you say). Do yo know that pilots from Norway refused bombing and attacking when they got order? (yep, NATO country)

Are you aware that USA and NATO asked from Serbia to give them free passing over it's territory, use whatever is necessary and not be included in domestic law? do you know about that and how would you call it, if I may ask? Care about Kosovo Muslims?Read other's resources and back up you knowledge before judging. It was planned to be classic occupation and war started once it was refused, with fake report about massacre that was prooven by Finish pathologist, years later. But you don't want to know, since it is a shithole, probably.

You are talking about possible sloughtering of quater million of Muslims. Possible, of number that no one knows since Albanians there refused to register and sign in in inventory for decades , so they could use numbers in a way you do. Those albanians were armed by USA and supported to attack before anything happened at first place. (small reminder for you: http://www.truthinmedia.org/images/holbrooke-kla.jpg ) . I hope you know who was this man. While you are talking about possible killing, not actual, how many deaths US army made in Iraq? And were there weapons of mass destruction? Or it was a lie? Same scenario was used in Kosovo, just it is much smaller scale and you already went to next war. Logic is strange, kill million muslims on one side of planet while helping other not to be killed eventually regarding your own statement.It sounds silly whoever that is involved.

I've gave you already several informations that you can research from resource you think it is suitable , but you refused. (here is one more http://4international.wordpress.com/...as-srebrenica/) . There Only logical explanation for your point of view is that you are Muslim from there or simply don't care about truth and it is easier for you to follow official version.

No...that is what you are saying...sport.

Take a look at my posts again then take a look at yours. If you still don't understand, feel free to continue your rant.

It's an inspection. And yes, if an American ship was in North Korean waters, they legally have the option to stop and inspect it. However, in the real world, generally speaking such actions are only taken when there is reason to believe there is some illegal action. In the case of an American ship in North Korean waters, chances are it's going to North Korean to bring it grain (because they can't feed themselves) and in fact will be inspected in port.

Same thing if it's an Israeli ship in Syrian waters. It's international law. The catch here is that if it's an Israeli ship in Syrian waters, it's either going to Syria and will be inspected or it's just passing by and Syria could care less about it.

why don't you copy paste all wikipedia here.
that's why Jesus doesn't answer to your prays :)

Westerns say "We are the only guys allowed to kill legally! Serbians kill illegally! We are westerns know how to make legal wars!" Israeli wars illegal!"

That's a good point. I forgot all about that.

you guys keep trying to slip that "in *insert country here* waters" stuff in, but the fact is this ship was not in israels waters, it was international waters.

Try to keep it factual man.

I thought they were on a humanitarian mission... With night vision goggles and bullet proof vests?

Well, this explains why the other ships allowed the Israelis to board and this ship didn't. Go figure.

Not sure about that.

International law allows the host country to stop a civilian ship and board it. This was a US Navy ship.

Maybe.

First we would need to know exactly where this went down. I have yet to catch that bit of info in any of the news reports.

Then we would need to figure out exactly where "international waters" is - would it 12 miles, 24 miles from the baseline, or 200 miles?

So fuck it... Waters are for ppl, for every single man on earth! It's International! Europeans act in Somalia waters, brutally killing black ppl, so Israelis act just 120 miles from home.

then you clearly have either not read up on the event or purposefully overlooking the most important fact about this incident.

NO ONE has disputed it taking place in international waters, not even Israel. Its not even up for debate, even the newspapers in Israel claim it was international waters LOL.

"maybe" = uninformed. Which is absurd that you continue the debate while being grossly uninformed on the important facts of where it took place, I mean come on. You try to cast doubt on one of the most important facts? LOL

just tired of seeimg him try to spin it like it didnt take place where it did. Was 70 miles from gaza, numerous articles clearly state this, no one is even debating where it took place.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...ch-us-1.293089

"Confrontation took place in international waters"

Some others says it took place in Israeli waters. You don't know. "haaretz" - Israeli left wing press. They usually criticize Israelis.

link please.

Territorial waters are 12 nautical miles and 12 additional nautical miles may be claimed as Contiguous zone. The 200 nautical miles exclusive economic zone only give the countries rights to economic interests but is still considered international water. The ships where 70-80 nautical miles outside the Israeli blockade zone of gaza in International water according to most sources I have seen.

It was a spy ship :

You seem to say that it was not OK to board the Pueblo because it was a naval ship ( np flotting its flag .. ) :

Next time aid needs to reach Gaza, would it be OK to send a miltary convoy ( Turks or Syria .. ) : good to know !

Yes, you can post links to hundreds of articles that state this, I am still waiting on ONE link to state otherwise. Everyone from Washington Post to Jerusalem Post have conceded the event took place 70+ miles outside of gaza.

a simple google new search proves this. As I said, I havent even seen Israel trying to debate where it took place LOL

http://news.google.com/news/search?a...les+fl otilla

So where are the links that state otherwise DOX? waiting.

but it wasn't in israeli waters.

I don't see your link first.
I need trusted sourse, after investigation.
Unlike you, I don't trust commercial media. $ motivated for you.

"The Israeli blockade itself against Gaza itself is not illegal, and it's okay for Israeli ships to operate in international waters to enforce it," said Allen Weiner, former State Department lawyer and legal counselor at the American Embassy in the Hague, and now a professor at Stanford Law School. Beyond that, he said, Israel has a legal obligation to allow humanitarian goods into Gaza and to exercise proportionality in the use of force.

Israel maintains that it was clearly within its rights to stop the aid flotilla, saying any state has the right to blockade another state in the midst of an armed conflict.

"We were acting totally within our legal rights. The international law is very clear on this issue," said Mark Regev, spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu. "If you have a declared blockade, publicly declared, legally declared, publicized as international law requires, and someone is trying to break that blockade and though you have warned them . . . you are entitled to intercept even on the high seas, even in international waters."


Other scholars will disagree...just as with many...if not most laws...they are arguable.

ok now youre being ridiculous.

You claimed "there are othrs who say it took place in israeli waters" - post it or youre just making it up, simple as that.

so show me? You can disregard my links to Haaretz, cool, but where is yours? LOL

you dont have one.

link please or you are just making it up. :thumbsup

" in international waters, about 70 miles off the Israeli coast."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060102908.html

"The raid took place about 70 miles offshore in international waters."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNL31DNLOA.DTL

BTW...my quote is also taken from the Washington Post.

1. Depends. Just switch chanells. Now it looks like Israeli waters.
2. Waters has no borders, it's liquid.
3. Border is a human creation, a reason for wars. This conflict is just about fucking borders. Fuck borders! And it looks like Israelis see it from a point of god's view... A World Without Borders! No Passports, No Shit!

What do you think about this great world without borders?

we are not talking about tv, we are dealing with facts surrounding this event. Events even Israel is not debating, but somewhow you feel the need to lie and say it happened in Israel's waters? What a kook, put on the tin foil hat. You made a claim you cannot back up

I am not saying Israel did not have the authority to board and inspect, I am saying where this took place as has been repoted time and time again, with all this no borders shit you sound like a conspiracy theorist no better than left wing idiots.

You are purposefully disregarding the facts surrounding where this event took place, you have nothing factual to base this on so you start running off about switching tv channels?

You lose.

If Hitler hadn't invaded Russia, this would never have happened.

Then why did they pass up on the offers made from both Egypt and Israel once they knew the boats were headed their way. Oh yeah media doesn't report it much, but both countries offered for them to be able to dock in their ports and have the cargo screened and then sent to Gaza.

Face it ... this was more a staged politically motivated protest, than an actual aid mission.

Oh and while we are at it, what exactly did Gaza residents need with gas masks, night vision goggles, bullet proof vests and other questionable items? Yes they were in the cargo too.

A big fan of commercial links, Fletch XXX, ah? Try brains. You will find it inside your own head and it may work, trust me.

I can give you a link to my dog's homepage. Much more trusted sourse than CNN shit, influenced by politicians. Or you are the one who trusts media?

Look, Fletch XXX, the difference between us in "food" we eat.
You prefer shit in any beautiful cover, produced by mass-media for masses. (That's why it smells so disgusting here.)

Don't share this shit with us. Keep it.

i agree it was a protest, but the blockade shouldn't be there in the first place, its clearly not just about stopping weapons being smuggled, as you can see from the list someone else posted, there's a massive amount of foodstuffs, raw materials etc that are not allowed, the UN says they even only let in 25% of the humanitarian aid that's required for the people who live their. its real reason is just to oppress and punish the people of gaza, and that is undeniable.

last time i checked, gas masks, night vision goggles and bullet proof vests were a means of protecting yourself, not weapons. and from the israeli reaction to the ship it was sensible to be wearing a bullet proof vest and a gas mask, considering how many were killed and injured.

the whole israeli/palestinian mess could be sorted out fairly quickly and with both sides coming away with a fair deal and the creation of two states, if the US played a more even hand, and didn't back israel no matter what.

WOW !!!!!!!

Amazing how many of the top scientists and intellectuals are jews .. seems that their BRAIN cells were not in your blood line...

Please stay in Tel-Aviv and do not reproduce.

There were tons of cameras there, also a live broadcast 24/7 on the web all arab TV channels. Show me 1 israeli ship shooting, ALL CAMERAS, show me 1 evidence!

Israel has no interest to kill people. Israel planned this operation MANY DAYS before it happend. The violence wasn't expected.

Btw, the ship was warned 10 times, before all of this happend. So ok, it was on international water, so if it all happend 10 mins later, so it was under Israeli water, big difference! IN ANY CASE, All world knew and they also declared they are going to Gaza, so whats the surprise here? If you decalre you want to envade my house, and you are on your way, i must wait until you enter my house or i can stop you in the garden outside my house?

The fact only 9 people were killed shows that Israel didnt want to hurt anyone. Trust me, if other country soldiers were AMBUSHED like this, there were 50-200 dead people.
:2 cents::2 cents:

humanitairans
 

I would really like to hear Israel story about this, although I can't understand language. Iam also interested in next thing: Have they already tried to smuggle weapons through humanitarian aid? Any recorded case of this?

I'm cosmopolitan. You are now trying to put us in a frame of your limitted world.., countries, borders... Fuck it! Just fuck! Leave this shit for yourself!

The ordinary man (like you) is a creator of all troubles, ruled by Evil. Don't make us thinking in standards.

No borders. This is my point of view.

I don't know.

I'm not the one who supports one side.
I'm here to oppose the majority, to develop more balanced and quality output of this discussion.

Here you go...as a response to your post to Rochard.

"The Israeli blockade itself against Gaza itself is not illegal, and it's okay for Israeli ships to operate in international waters to enforce it," said Allen Weiner, former State Department lawyer and legal counselor at the American Embassy in the Hague, and now a professor at Stanford Law School. Beyond that, he said, Israel has a legal obligation to allow humanitarian goods into Gaza and to exercise proportionality in the use of force.

Israel maintains that it was clearly within its rights to stop the aid flotilla, saying any state has the right to blockade another state in the midst of an armed conflict.

"We were acting totally within our legal rights. The international law is very clear on this issue," said Mark Regev, spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu. "If you have a declared blockade, publicly declared, legally declared, publicized as international law requires, and someone is trying to break that blockade and though you have warned them . . . you are entitled to intercept even on the high seas, even in international waters."

[QUOTE=directfiesta;17202202]WOW !!!!!!!

Amazing how many of the top scientists and intellectuals are jews ...QUOTE]

How many?

No. And Israel also doesn't claim they found weapons on this ship.

[QUOTE=DOX;17202455]many .... you need a list ? I assure you that you are not and never will be on it .