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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ
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I understand this is a figure of speech, but show us. Backup your claim and prove that a 32 nation UN inspectors were wrong. I'd be happy to "put money on the table" then. Matter of fact, I'll even call 60 minutes and tell them that you're coming with the truth.
Native Indians
Do you know anything about them today? Did you know they carry their own Indian Nation passports? Did you know they can go to any American collage FREE? Did you know they can get a ZERO interest loans form any FDIC bank? Did you know they can get a Casino license? Did you know to qualify to get (above) all mentioned you only have to have 1/6 Indian blood in you? So please, tell me how you are compensating the surviving Muslims? The answer is you're NOT and why NATO is there.
Again, you're switching points (that you brought up) to salvage your ego. So let's break down on what you've said. You said it was an American base "the biggest" and American are dealing drugs and harvesting organs there. The truth, it's a NATO/KFOR camp with 10,000 peacekeepers and 1000 are Americans. What you neglect to mention was the 9,000 32 nation non-American peacekeeping force. So for you to understand, for every 10 solders you see ONE (1) is American and the other NINE (9) are from around the world.
Now, the reason that "some" of the Norwegian pilots refuse to bomb was because the fly zone was 15,000 feet. They claimed their equipment could not accurately/safely bomb targets at that altitude.
You actually believe that shit? When a country turns into war zone "domestic law" broke down. This means there is NO law and why NATO came there in the first place. Now you're claiming one Finish pathologist questions the reports and you think his opinion is valid over then a 32 international member panel and the massacre/genocide never happened? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Here you are switching subjects again. Unlike you, I agree Americans should NOT be in Iraq period and have no problem admitting it. Simple yes? To admit our/your government made a very poor choice. But that's not your original agenda here now is it? You are on this forum to bash Americans. BUT let me play forward with your comparison.
Americans might not admit this publicly, but we would love to get in a fight with Iran and the International community has warned us many times not to. This is the same international community that warned Slobodan Milo?ević to stop and that he could keep all he has taken. Did Milo?ević stop and and enjoy his new found conquest? No, is arrogance and greed pushed forward and killed more people and then he lost most of what he conquered because NATO stepped in.
I am not a Muslim and my personal belief is I could give a flying fuck if Milo?ević lined them all up and shot them. Honestly. I don't live in that shit hole.
The only reason I am commenting on your post has nothing to do with Kosovo, Milo?ević, Muslims, UN, Organ harvesting, drug dealing, or any other wild fucking crazy shit you come up with.
It's the fact that you actually believe all the problems or lack of a better life there is because of the US. I deal with this same shit often when I travel and especially in Russia. But what takes the cake, is when I was in the Ukraine and listen to a successful businessman tell me it was the CIA or FSB that actually poisoned the president so that the Americans or Russians could land grab the Ukraine. He 100% believed this because he saw it on the TV. You have any relatives in the Ukraine?
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- Finish pathologist told that she was under pressure of William Walker (CIA ) to say it was massacre even if she actually didn't had what is neccessary to prove. And I was just talking about finish doctor since I know with who I am dealing and that would you reject Belarus and Yugoslav pathologist that told same (not after 10 years).
- about Indians: no need to explain me, I am not giving my opinion about their position and that's exactly what I've told you(maybe my english wasn't precise, and I won't go back and check, since this is taking too much time already) , that it would be iresponsible and stupid from me to try to speak about something going on thousands of miles away. (and when you mentioned, it is good to know that Albanians were offered to have own universities, use own language, have own hospitals. it wasn't important since it wasn't their goal and they had clear directive what they should do).
- about drug smuggling, organs...: no,you are putting words into my mouth. Simplicity is way of thinking and that's exactly why you see that I am always switching something.You are learned to think this way, since it is easier. What I've meant to tell is how US army care about people there allowing them to do such things, while talking shit about human rights prosperity of temporary state that were made there.
- About US role in Kosovo War: This will tell you enough how people here see it (Albanians and other nations, Serbs, Egyptians,Gorans....) :
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081224144851.mzptko0i&show_article= 1 . But that's not all, look whose monument is there and why americans got them (no monuments for France, Spain or other NATO countries ?)
http://www.onlykent.com/20091103/bil...led-in-kosovo/
Who built bondsteel? whose was majority of forces bombing Yugoslavia,and who avoided UN council to do so? And most important of all, who armed Albanians and gave them initial support to start shooting to police and start bombing?(Germans and US following them) If you don't know, (I know you do, but it 's ok, search some of my previous posts). 12 years after war you don't need force there thats for sure since USA led NATO gave legailty and wapons to terrorist organizatio KLA. Now, let me show you where you have problem:
"President Bill Clinton's special envoy to the Balkans, Robert Gelbard, described the KLA as, "without any questions, a terrorist group.". That's US official statement, somehow,forgotten later.
- about "domestic" law: It seems you are not also familiar with geography here(or at least not enough) ,like I thought, so when you say when there is war zone , there is no place for "domestic" law. Now ,please, do research by yourself, and you will see that I am talking about period before any NATO aggression there, and that I am not referring to Kosovo but to complete Yugoslavia. You know what this means, and if you don't know where to find info about, just read about Rambouillet conference and you will see that there were no direct negotiations of Serbs and Albanians, but Albanians went to take advice from USA advisory before responding to anything. Ultimate result was document that asked what I've told above.
- Oh yes, I could talk and write more about this problem for hours, and to show you who you helped, take look at this : " The U.S. State Department indicated that the KLA was financing its operations with money from the international heroin trade and loans from Islamic countries and individuals, among them allegedly Osama bin Laden. Osama sent weapons and established training camps in Afghanistan and Albania, where KLA members were trained, but almost no KLA followers were recruited into Al-Queda, if at all.
According to Michael Levine, the former official of the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), the KLA was tied in with every known Middle and Far Eastern drug cartel."
Be aware that I am stating you only US and "west" sources and if there would be so many material and evidences from other sources , that forum database would probably stop working.
I will try to stop this somehow, although I say that to myself every time, but at the last paragraph you told that I am blaming US for a lack of better life here, what is not true and you are putting words into my mouth again or comparing my statements trough your previous experiences. I won't even go to write about Iraq at all, since I can't have enough info and I am well aware of that and would be irresponsible in a way I've already explained somewhere above. Its clear that we don't agree and we won't probably never on this issue, but at least try to understand that some problems are more complex then others and that we are talking here about countries old for hundreds of years, many wars and conflicts from history were there and there is no simple or forced solution . (you would be amazed to see how fake state of Kosovo works today once you know that Albanians from there still using and asking for Serbian passports. )