Because of course the UN is an independent and fair arbiter in this dispute. :error

Owned double time. I'm surprised one of these idiots doesn't claim the video has been doctored.

wow, soldiers raiding a ship that is meant to help starving people ends up with people trying to fight em off?

surprised the IDF didn't open fire sooner

Ok,Maybe I did, but US is the one opened pandora's box. Exactly US ,acting without UN , on exact example you gave and that is Kosovo. So they are doing it right now in this moment, trying to avoid UN resolutuon 1244 (read more about it if you have time) and resume their way. It was clearly told by many EU countries (that won't ever accept Kosovo as independent state) and by other big powers as Russia that attack on Serbia in 1999 will make exactly the problem you are talking about. So once international law is down, things like this will happen and it will become even worse....like a bully with a gun and new bullies following him to take what they think it's theirs.

I am confused by the presence of sarcasm in your reply.


But yes, in fact it is:

i'm sure this statement is ironic.

you think that these are messages for what happens when you mess with a country?

it's a message from history, over and over, about what exactly happens when there is rampant, and accepted, oppression and totalitarianism.

blockades are only 'legal' when there is a state of war. i suppose isreal is at constant war with palestine, so therefore these big bad science project rockets are just a run of hte mill situation.

what is disgustingly ugly, is caging these people, starving them, and doing everything they can to make sure the conflict continues.

if they want a new jesus this badly, fine. we should stop giving these people our tax dollars so they can continue shooting innocent people without our being directly/indirectly involved.

Nothing in your post alters anything in my post...sport.

I have to assume you are feigning ignorance as it would be impossible to be even slightly acquainted with this issue and not be aware that the UN is hardly an impartial organization when it comes to the Israeli/Palestinian issue. :winkwink:

Of course it is always possible that you are truly just an idiot as opposed to a liar....... I suppose I should give you the benefit of the doubt. :)

maybe he misunderstands what the UN definition of 'aims' is

the world knows who the real terror masters are today.

Ok, so which organization do you think would command more competence on this matter?


Actually, they are fighting off pirates as they are in international waters.
Perfectly legal.

I guess the crews of the ships fighting off Somali pirates are terrorist and criminas too?

I never read that the UN inspected the ship.

No, Israel did not break the law. According to United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, foreign civilian vessels can be boarded on the high seas for a number of different reasons. For example, if they thought the cargo of the ship was illegal and wanted to inspect it. Fuck it, they can board a god damn ship off the coast of their country for a fucking safety inspection - The US Coast Guard does it all the time.

Let me break this down into small items.
1) Blockade is legal.
2) Ships legally told not to run blockade before it left port.
3) Ships ordered to turn around off the coast of Israel.
4) Israel exercises it's legal right under international law to board ship off it's coast.
5) During boarding, Israeli boarding party is attacked.
6) Under international law, off the coast of Israel, Israeli navy defends itself.

If it was Iranian commandos who did that to an Israeli ship doing a similar thing in international waters, we'd be in WW3 by now.

Pretty much a de-facto state of war has existed for some time here. They blindly launch missiles into Israel as often as they can, which is an act of war. They kidnap Israeli soldiers on a regular basis.

If Canada starts lobbing missiles into Seattle killing Americans, it's an act of war.

but this is in direct violation of international law. You can't just board a ship in international waters, regardless of where they are going

I think calling this group of ships "pirates" is a bit much.

yea i saw that 'fact' of yours

why would Canada remotely do that? If America decided to invade Vancouver, or let someone else do the invading

you bet your bottom dollar you're going to be seeing more than just science projects coming

which is why there is laws. So there isn't a question of opinions.

This incident has literally made pirating in somalia justified. what do they care? the shipping lanes are a 'threat' to that country

opinions.

define: sarcasm

An Arrogant calls others are arrogant, interesting world we live in :2 cents:

Amazing this thread has lasted this long.

1)israelis attack a pre-checked and cleared ship in international waters.
2)they kill people on the ship.
3)crime against humanity, israeli govt needs to pay.

end of story, end of thread.

lol @ people who protect Israel

Israel breaks 100% of cease fires that last longer than 9 days and 96% of the ones that last longer than a week

how can the person attacking first be the one defending themselves?

what a pathetic country Israel has always been, I'm glad more people are waking up and taking a good look at the ticking time bomb of a country who refuses to EVER admit that they were wrong

everyone knows the guy that will never admit he's wrong, when you prove he's wrong over and over eventually he snaps and gets loud and violent

illegal nuclear weapons + no UN inspections + no nuclear treaty + snapping and getting violent = a very very messy situation for the WHOLE WORLD

i hope you guys realize that Israel is currently the biggest threat on Earth to every single human being out there. Illegal nuclear weapons are the only thing that we should be worried about and Israel currently has the largest stockpile of ILLEGAL NUCLEAR BOMBS.

is there anything else we should be worried about more than a country founded on flawed principles that violates international laws over and over and has illegal nuclear bombs? i dont think there is!

Holy crap... there is no way I'm ever gonna get up to speed on this thread. :disgust

You failed right there. It's called collective punishment, and it's illegal.

As the occupying power, Israel has the obligation to feed and house the people of Gaza. Not only do they not do that (relying on UN agencies instead), but the foodstuffs and materials they allow into Gaza falls far short (by at least 4x) what the international community has judged to be the bare minimum.

Maybe they will stop when people stop suicide bombing them. I always love how people bitch and moan about Israel doing essentially what they have to do to survive.

Yet the same people and even the media never blames the various rouge states that Israel is up against when ever a terrorist attack is done. When a car bomb goes off in Israel, they will blame Hezbollah or some supporter group but they never blame the govt of the host country.

Israel may push the edges quite a bit, but if they didn't they would be over run. Our own country was attacked 1 time and we started 2 wars that have gone on 10 years now. If countries in Europe were getting hit by suicide attacks like Israel gets hit then you can damn sure bet they would be reacting the same way.

It's easy to judge them when it's not you living in the threat everyday of getting blown up by some radical religious nut nob supported by a rouge state.

Not exactly that simple...or that black and white...as in most if not all events of this sort there are many shades of gray. Personally if I were in charge of Israeli policy I would not allow any aid or comfort to what is the enemy of Israel...let alone the possibility of weapons of war being smugged in. All is fair in love and war...no mercy...no quarter etc. etc. Let them starve or let them choose to live in peace with Israel.

But as I have stated I am not a big fan of Israel...but I do understand why they do what they do...except I do not understand why they are prolonging the suffering of both sides. I suspect that at some point they will tire of it and say fuck it and take the entire land and rule with an iron fist until the Arabs decide to live in peace with Israel.

Sheer nonsense. Israel is not occupying Gaza.

I'm trying to find any legitimate facts amidst your bullshit post and I just can't.

Amen.....

we aren't?

you're not american? you don't live under the threat of a terrorist attack?

you support the killing of peace activists if you do?

Can you please make sense? LOL@the killing peace activists.

he said 'living under the threat of'

we all do.. do you understand my point now?

if they weren't peace activists, what were they?

the nine times they have done this?

So a guy that walks in an does a suicide bombing is any different than the guy who sits in the plane and drops bombs?

The reason people in that region attack Israel is self defense. Israel is the one that instigates the vast majority of incidents by attacking first. That is fact.

We aren't what? If you mean terrorist attacks.. when was the last time a Bus or a car bomb went off in Canada?

The point being, even your own country is fighting because of what happened on 9/11 10 years ago in a foreign country. What do you think your country would do if it had bus and car bombs going off a few times a year killing your own citizens? You would want to bitch slap those whom were responsible for doing it.

That's exactly what Israel is doing. It's the same thing the US, Canada, any nation in Europe or any other country on this planet would do if they had the ability to defend themselves.

I love watching jews justify israel and its atrocities, I hope the thread goes on forever.

You haven't provided a single fact yet.

i always wonder the nations who had painful times in their past do the same thing to others?

on the other hand how sad some people here trying to back up this crime and blindly following what Israel state told them.

Guys, 16 innocent civilians have been died, which excuse can cover this?

if my state did the same thing, i would be sad and ashame to it rather then trying to back there ass.

Jews, isn't it more then time for You to question and think about ongoing things?

We were one of the first nations who recognized You as an independent state, at the same time we are the first nation with a vast Muslim majority who said yes for Your independence.

we have Turkish speaking Jew citizens here, they have their own synagogues and have equal rights as we do.

and other then some religious nutjobs i don't think anyone really have problem with Jews seriously.

My condolances to families who lost their loved ones because of this bloody atack.

Peace :2 cents:

Some of you may find this article interesting.

http://politicalmavens.com/index.php...n-israel-best/

Some excerpts...

77% Palestinian Arabs: We like Living in Israel best
By Judith A. Klinghoffer (bio)

It is difficult to find a more neglected story than the relative satisfaction of Palestinian Arabs living in Israel as is revealed from a recent Harvard Study. (Palestinians Arabs (including those living in greater Jerusalem) constitute 20% of the population). Aware of inconvenient polls which reveal that Palestinian living in Israel are vehemently opposed to becoming citizens of Palestine, the researchers did their best to lower the satisfaction number by phrasing the question so as to receive the most negative number. They asked Palestinian Arab if they would rather live in Israel or in any other country in the world.

77% of the State of Israel?s Arab citizens would rather live in the Jewish state than in any other country in the world, according to a new study titled ?Coexistence in Israel?. The study was aimed at examining the relations between Israel?s Jewish and Arab citizens on the State?s 60th anniversary, and included 1,721 respondents.

Other polls similarly demonstrate that to achieve better integration, most of the Arab citizens of Israel support voluntary national service. They are not subject to compulsory military service though they may volunteer to serve and some do.

Yet a poll carried out by University of Haifa last month revealed that 75 percent of Israeli Arabs between the ages of 16 and 22 support voluntary national service. The poll also found that the vast majority of the Arab public is unaware of the national service. 77.4 percent overall and 79.6 percent of youth said they know little or nothing about the program. Moreover, the poll found that once given basic information about conditions in the national service and its goals, not only were Israeli Arab youth supportive of the idea, but so were 71.9 percent of all Arab men and 83.8 percent of all Arab women. In contrast, some 80 percent of members of Arab political parties opposed national service.

In other words, ideological diatribes aside, the attitudes of Israeli Arabs demonstrates that the Jewish state is doing a pretty good job accommodating it?s large Palestinian minority despite the trying circumstances under which she is forced to live.

Israel is the occupying power in the West Bank and Gaza. I know I'm arguing with an ignorant Zionist, but that's how it is, and under international law, Israel is responsible for the welfare of the citizens of Gaza.

You saying it is fact...does not make it fact...now does it?

Hah Terrorists



And don't forget the BBC reporter that came out the other day and said 9/11 was a mossad operation. Even alex jones gets upset when you start blaming israel for things.

Whether you agree or disagree with their goals........... there is no way a group of people providing logistical support to Hamas can be considered "peace activists". They are a group taking an active role on one side of an armed conflict. That has absolutely nothing to do with "peace". :disgust

the author:

http://www.jewishsightseeing.com/san...linghoffer.htm

Im sorry, just because you don't know the last time a terrorist bomb went off in Canada means i somehow lose my ability to completely destroy your pointless point?

or your conjecture meant to somehow justify a criminal act perpetrated against ships registered in the United States ending in the murder of x amount of people due to 'resistance'?

I would like to point out there is thousands of Canadians fighting everyday in protection of our nation, and we're not shooting peace activists, and we're not defending people who do.

No, it doesn't.

Here is a link that shows the data taken from the IDF (Israeli Military) website.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-..._b_155611.html

Also do you know the rights of an Arab-Israeli and a Jewish-Israeli are different in Israel? Just because of someone's religion they are treated differently, I'd think that a guy who has friends who died defending against that exact thing would be disgusted by it.

Instead you cheer it on. Shame on you man.

It's funny how one of you postulated that "people who support Israel call anyone who doesn't, antisemitic", while you've completely added another dynamic by calling someone who supports Israel, an "ignorant zionist". Are you mad that he's been arguing logically and you've just been making shit up?

As I am sure you aware Israel has not occupied Gaza since 2005. I understand that you will distort the facts to fit your narrative as you see fit....... but that does change the fundamental truth that Gaza is Judenfrei.

Hell yea! WAit, I never see you criticizing the source when it's a liberal or a democrat, therefore you have no credibility:)

Sorry, I had to laugh at the irony of that statement, not to mention the utter denial.