Lets apply some logic to the Charlie Sheen 9/11 theory
 

We've all heard the theory that 9/11 was caused by the government itself. I decided to do a little thought experiment just to see how likely this is.

Here are the basic 9/11 charlie sheen theories that a lot of people are holding to:

Motive: Bush wants to create fear in the public so he can institute marshall law, restrict freedoms, monitor everyone, start wars, create a world government run by an elite secret society. Standard conspiracy theory stuff.

Evidence:

1. The north tower, south tower, and building 7 were brought down by controlled demolitions. Evidence supporting this is that it looks like a classic pancake collapse, people heard explosions, a skyscraper cannot be taken down merely by fire. These are the only 3 skyscrapers ever taken down by fire.

2. People did not think that the planes were actually passenger jets. Probably retrofitted military planes that were remoted controlled or rockets or something.

3. The hole in the pentagon was not big enough to be a passenger jet. No holes for the wings. Wreckage all disappeared. Video surveillance all seized. Some people thought it looked like a rocket.

4. It would be impossible for "14 amateurs wielding box cutters to seize 4 planes and hit 75% of targets"

5. Bush didn't react to planes attacking just stood there like an idiot because he knew it was happening.

6. 84% support Charlies theories.


These are the major theories. Obviously significantly more than this. Lets apply a little logic to this.

Motive: Ok so i guess its possible that Bush is crazy enought to plan such a thing but how would he convince hundreds of other people to follow along with it? Nobody blows the whistle on this? Seems highly unlikely. Your not talking a small group of individuals to pull of a conspiracy of this size. It would probably take hundreds of people working together.

1. Has anyone seen a 100 story building collapse before? How do they "know" what it should like. Do they expect it to fall over sideways or something? With a building of this size a pancaking effect would seem like the most logical thing to happen. The force of 30 stories of building crashing down seems very likely to start a cascading effect. It would take several months to wire a building with thousands of pounds of explosives. Nobody notices the explosives, the crews, the wires? No explosive residue is found in the wreckage? This seems almost absurd. People said it sounded like an explosion. A huge building collapsing probably make an enormous amount of noise. No real surprise here. Conclusion: Wiring a buillding that is occupied with people 24/7 with thousands of pounds of explosives would be impossible.

2. If remote controlled planes or rockets were used what happened to the people on the passenger jets? Nobody is disputing that the hundreds of people on the planes in the terrorist attack existed. So how did the passenger jets get swapped out with rockets or remote controlled planes? I bet a plane travelling at 500mph 100ft away is very hard to identify. Its just a blur at that speed. Did the original planes get sucked into a black hole? Conclusion: The hijacked planes must have been used in the attack. Hundreds of family members can verify this.

3. The hole in the pentagon is not very big because a plane is not a very rigid object. A plane colliding at 300mph into a wall turns into soup. Did anyone see any part of the planes AFTER they collided with the WTC? No, the planes were instantly disentegrated. It would be like forcing jello into a hole. If its a rocket where did the original plane filled with passengers go? Conclusion: Computer modeling will probably solve this easy.

4. The terrorists were not amateurs. They were highly trained. Having 5 people walk to the front of a plane, whip out knives and overpower a couple stewardess then get into the pilots cabin seems almost mundanely easy. You could probably do it without knives. The pilots couldn't carry guns at this time and the cockpit was not locked. No real problem here. Conclusion: Hijacking a plane would be easy. Pilots should have guns and the cockpit should be locked with a reinforced door. Whoever did airline security was an idiot.

5. Bush didn't react when security told him about the attacks because he is the worst president in history. Bush was probably thinking it was pilot error. Later the building he was in was evacuated and was whisked away. Conclusion: Bush is an idiot. Unless you can read minds you don't know what he was or was not thinking.

6. This poll is very skewed. It was linked to by the Prison Planet website. There was only a few thousand votes. Most of which were probably Prison Planet surfers. Conclusion: Poll was a limited sample skewed by high amounts of traffic coming in from the Prison Planet website. I'm surprised that Prison Planet would tout something that is so obviously skewed as conclusive evidence that there is massive support for the Charlie Sheen conspiracy theory.

Assuming if it was all planned, what would the point be of hitting multiple targets? Wouldn't just a single target stir up pretty much the same amount of drama? And obviously the more targets = the more people involved = the higher chance info will leak out..

Planes don't turn into jello.. and nobody had a chance to study the inside of the wtc where the planes entered...
Not the case with the Pentagon.. A plane the size of a 767 could not have maneuvered and entered the first floor first of all.. and if it did, why no damage to the 10' high cable spools in the path? why no damage to the fence or construction trailer in the path? Why is fire damage shown only on the fist floor office walls?
A 767 is full of steel framing and the fuel is in the fuselage and root of the wings and could not have just 'turned to jello' and folded in to get through a small hole...

As far as computer animations.. check out this page A number of scientists, engineers, and architects studied the damage and conducted tests which show that no 767 could have hit the Pentagon.. If you don't want to read it, just look at the photos.. They tell a different story..

1. Ever played Janga? When something falls, it has a very slight chance of falling pancake style... much less 3 times in one day. And no, not many people have watched a 100 story building fall... but many engineers have tested what would happen via simulation, and they have watched small buildings fall. Adding a few floors doesn't suddenly change the laws of physics.

2. I've never heard of any theory that states that the passenger jets weren't used in the WTC attacks. Just that it wasn't a passenger jet in the Pentagon attack.

3. No plane has ever turned into "soup" before. As you said, no building has ever fallen due to fire.... likewise, no plane has ever been turned into soup on impact. There is ALWAYS debris... specifically, a black box.

4. Terrorists... angry guys. What difference does it make? Anyone can become a pilot and buy a knife within a few years.

5. Can't argue with you there... he most definitely is an idiot. There's no telling what dust balls were floating around inside that head of his.

6. Yes, all CNN polls are skewed. Infact ALL polls anywhere are skewed when they don't render the results we want. Heck, we could use the argument "it was only voted on by people online... not by people who aren't online, so obviously.. the results aren't indicative of everyone... therefore, we can't take it seriously."

regarding point #1 you drew out of thin air or pulled out of your ass;)
MArvin Bush took over security of the towers a few monts before 9/11 and he closed down huge sections and massive work was being done all secretly as the sections worked on were always cleared of people. Dont know who Marvin bush is? too bad maybe you should do more research.

Secondly the explanation was that fire is what brought down all 3 buildings, even though many skyscrapers have beeb on fire for much longer times before and been perfectly fine. Lets not even bother mentioning that kerosene doesnt even reach a temaperature hot enough to melt steel.
physics911.net



regarding point #2
im not sure what happend to those people...i suspect all the people killed aboard planes that day died in the two crashes into the towers. I believe it was actually airliners retro fitted to carry small rockets which were used to make sure the plane made it inside the building and not just smashed into the outside and maybe half of it would have fell out onto the ground below.
this is all conjecture...

regarding point #3
have a look at the size of the wholes made by the planes into a solid steel building..then look at the tiny precision hole the so called plane made that hit the pentagon. look very closely....in fact where the wings should have ripped big wholes in the ground and caused massive damage...there was none...windows didnt even get broken.

regarding point #4
this is the most absurd part...trained pilots dont open the door to a plane because some raghead has an exacto knife..lol They would have just landed the plane. i mean if we are talking about highly trained people doing their role..the pilots stand out as most professional. Now lets not forget that 10/19 hijackers that were blamed are alive and well.

thats right..they are alive and living in various countries around the world....explain that. ask bush who must be your buddy im guessing to come up with a better cover story then that ok.

point #5 isnt worth talkig about..Bush and his entire family are scum and have sold the people out to profits and power

regarding point #6 i agree the poll is skewed same as the cnn polls they gathered also are most likely skewed...however when multiple surverys appear done by diferent groupls all with the same info...you have to say hmmm



Bush = the real mob

Has anyone ever stopped to think about the impossibility of those aircrafts finding downtown Manhattan?

Think about it...virtually UNTRAINED pilots flying jumbo-jets for the first time ever...

...they disconnect the transponders making it impossible to navigate (look that up)...

...they are flying AWAY from their intended target at 400 - 600mph with no real indication of their precise whereabouts once they successfully take control of the aircraft...

...have no contact with ATC to give them "directions"...

...yet they find 2 buildings and hit them with remarkable precision from hundreds of miles away...and on the FIRST PASS (attempt), I might add.

If that doesn't tell the simple-minded sheep there's something more here than meets the eye then you all go ahead and keep living in your cocoons. You're avoiding reality.

As a matter of curiousity why is it more believeable or perhaps 'comforting' to think that the whole thing was cooked up by Bush and his cronies. On one hand you think he is the dumbest president in history and in the next breath he is masterminding the most complex terror plot in history against his own nation.

So Bush needs an excuse to go to war etc and calls his buddies together

"Ok boys this is what we do. We pick 4 passenger planes and have our people on the planes, hi-jack the planes and crash them into the WTC or we get the planes, hi jack them and fly them to a secret location and murder the passengers. The military then devise and build planes that look like the planes and crash them into the towers and also set off the explosives that we secretly hide in the WTC to make sure it collapses. We need these because I looked on the inter-net thing and planes won't do it. Any questions?"

"Just one. Why not just plant a bomb, set it off and blame it on that Osama fella? Terrorist outrage will get the folks behind us without all this hi-jacking 4 planes stuff"

"Yeah but think if we did the hidously complicated one involving hundreds of people it will drive the conspiracy nuts crazy working it out! Cool huh?"

Cue manic laughter and stroking of white pussy

Yeah okay you have convinced me with thats the way it happened. For fucks sakes get a life or a woman and stop this lunatic drivel.

:1orglaugh Have you ever flown a plane or in one? They have windows and Manhattan and the surrounding area of New York is geographically easy to follow if you have a basic idea of the coast and once you're within several miles of Manhattan, it's pretty easy to make out two huge skysrapers and aim your plane at them.

This whole thing was planned many years ago with the exact parameters as a "training exercise" by the military's intelligence department - down to the boxcutters and the buildings involved:
http://www.codenamegrillfire.com/index.php?n=8&id=8

The guy was involved in the original plan and was ordered by his immediate superior to disclose the project but he's has been stifled and censored by the press and congress.

As far as the fires and knowing what would happen - might wanna google some info about how Mayor Giuliani knew the towers were going to collapse - before they did and to the disbelief of all of the fire battalion chiefs who dismissed the idea when he told them it was going to happen.
Of course he had plenty of background when he was in Wash DC as the 3rd highest official in DOJ - "As Associate Attorney General, Giuliani supervised all of the US Attorney Offices' Federal law enforcement agencies" under Reagan

Of course we could always go out on a limb and talk about the Bldg 7 occupants Enron subsidiary Keyspan Energy that were housed there - who two months earlier used controlled demolitions that looked exactly like these buildings collapsing - on two large towers located on Maspeth Avenue in Queens, New York

or even better - http://www.rense.com/general48/secondhijackerpass.htm
explain why the airlines arent using the material used on Saudi passports to protect the black boxes in the front and rear of all airliners that vaporized away - but these little paper passports withstood that 2000 degree fireball

the passport thing is so fucking suspicious

Just wait till you see the next one to justify the attack of Iran - should play something like this:
A low yield nuclear explosion occurs outside of a US port with minimal casualties and damage - Bush reports his new spy wiretapping program allowed them to intercept the ship but the weapon was exploded by the Iranian terrorists before it entered a major US port - thus generating fear and mass hysteria in the US and an excuse to work with Israel bombing Iran.

suspicious? This is to test the stupidity of ppl. No blackboxes were found, but passport is there intact LOL

not bad,
i hope they do it offshore...i keep fearing they will just blow up one small city

That passport thing is fucked up

Finally a logical post on GFY about this issue. It is truly frightening how many people have gone off the deep end lately.

Srsly. There is not time to even point out all the horseshit posted around here lately.

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/458

Here is a plane turning into jello.


The windows that did not break at the pentagon were SUPPOSED TO NOT BREAK!! Meant to withstand hurricane force winds and bomb blasts. God you people are fuckin wackos.

Btw most plane crashes we have on video are trying NOT TO CRASH. That means they reduce their speed as much as possible.

Look at all that metal. Where did that come from?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/insert.jpg

Here is better video of a plane becoming "jello"

http://www.sandia.gov/news/resources...tml#rocketsled

Landing wheel at pentagon

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/PE...E/aedrive6.jpg

A 767s landing gear

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/PE...E/pa_00239.jpg

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IM...recollapse.jpg

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IM...pse-marked.jpg

Lets say Bush is insane or incredibly stupid. Why do this? You are the most powerful man in the world. You are throwing tons of money to friends and family. Opening up lands to drilling etc. Now you decide to risk it all on this crazy scheme to destroy these buidings? Why do the pentagon at all?

He is at the top of the worrld and we all assume he would risk that just to get into a war? He wouldn't mind going down in history as the first President of the US to bomb his own people?

The buildings were bombed internally? Tons of people working on it and not one has admitted to anything. We never uncovered any explosives after the fact. Nothing showed up?

Keep it simple stupid, worked to perfection and we got hit. Live with it.

USA Today's Mike Walter was driving near the Pentagon when he saw an American Airlines jet fly directly into the country's military nerve center.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IM...eyewitness.jpg


Ok now SHUT THE FUCK UP!!

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/CAREER/.../11/witnesses/

There the very beloved lefty cnn still has pages up.

All the wackos finally take a bit too much E and pass out? :1orglaugh

Listen to this assholes

The title of this alone deserves a laugh track.

You're not supposed to use logic with Sheen's ridiculous drivel. It would defy all known laws of nature.

Interesting read and pictures.. but this sticks out to me from that page "The test established that the major impact force was from the engines."

If this is the case, in their test the engines did the most damage, why did the engines on the Boeing 757 do not damage at the Pentagon?

Also if you look at the lovely 5 frames of video, that our generous govt has given us, you can clearly see what ever hit the Pentagon flying in literally at ground level. I edited this gif to show the white blur of what ever hit the Pentagon..

http://pixelsplat.com/temp/pentagon_animation.gif

Even if they managed to get luckily and get a jet the size of the 757 to fly in like that perfectly level to the ground.. why was all the stuff in the impact zone not effected? Look at the fence in this picture ( link ) it's clearly within the range of the 57 ft span of the 757 supposed left wing.. Why is it still standing?

Why were the 10 ft tall cable spools ( picture )not knocked to hell and back by a plane the size of a 757 flying a few feet above the ground?

You know I'm not buying every conspiracy theory that comes around, but some things clearly don't add up.

More to listen to




Let me guess government paid all these people to say what they did? And the smoke they talk about at the wtc so thick clean down at the 40th floor was also planted?

Here is a FUCKIN COMMERCIAL PILOT Saying EXACTLY WHAT HE SAW!! A 767 hitting the WTC.

All paid off I bet. Sneaky fuckin BUSH YOU BASTARD!!

Any other questions?

You ever stand under a 767 wing? Its higher than that fence.

Look at the picture again

http://www.lepers.org/~skyman/damage.jpg

Btw did they shoot and kill Barbara Olson? A TV commentator that died on flight 77?

Explain how the the "plane" pierced 3 rings of the pentagon and exited.. since the nose of planes are made of lightweight graphite and the plane supposebly vaporized yet they recovered dna from passengers on the plane.. :1orglaugh

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/PE...t_MVC-027S.jpg

Ok what was it then? lol Oh it was a bunker buster with a American Airlines insignia on its tail. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Btw see that piece of metal with the green stuff there? Thats corrosion protectection that is found in all 767 planes, or did they put corrosion protection in a bomb? LOL

so Charlie Sheen did it?

Prove it.

Stop posting baseless lies that you have no clue about.

Please post a link to a scientific study proving that planes can not turn in to Jell-O or STFU :winkwink:

Regards,

Lee

Then why don't they release these tapes to confirm this???

Please read the thread titled "For all of you 9/11 conspiracy theorists" posted by Sexxxy Sites.

I can't speak for everyone else but my momma taught me to never argue with an idiot...eventually people might mistake me for him.

DEAR TITAN

Charlie Sheen did not have any theories. He said shit smelled funny and said he expected teh government to fill people in. Why do you put words in his mouth?

No dumbass, that is the jello!

For all of you 9/11 conspiracy theorists

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That believe the President ordered the attacks so that he could use our military, are you not aware that under the laws of the US and Constitution the President of the United States can order the use of our military to invade any country of his choosing, at any time that he chooses, for any reason that he chooses, without the approval of the Congress or the American people or anyone in the world and without the notification of same except that he must notify the Congress within ninety days from the time that he ordered the use of our military.

Bottom line the President did not have to have a 9/11 to engage our military in Afhganistan or Iraq.

The dog did it :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Unfortunately, most people argue the wrong way - by attacking individual points.

The theory put forth by the Loose Change documentary is almost exactly the OJ Simpson defence - you don't have to prove he DIDN'T kill his ex-wife, you just have to raise a reasonable doubt for the simpletons.

You go and find any tiny piece of evidence, relevant or not, that *could* show that there was a conspiracy, put it all together, and most people will be overwhelmed, thinking "gee, it must have been planned!"

It was a classic defence - shooting holes in the prosecution story for 90 minutes. But to be convincing, the conspiracy theorists need to attack this like a prosecution: Not by poking holes, by presenting a solid case. And if you really examine the documentary, you'll notice there is no case for conspiracy - just unconnected "holes" in what was reported.

WTF are you talking about???

It's easy to fly any long distance plane from the airports to NY City!

There's something called Compasses and this big ass river called The Hudson River. If you travel west from Massachussets you can't miss this long fucking big ass river that runs north to south from way upstate NY to Hudson Bay to south to the Atlantic Ocean. All you have to do is look at your Cocoa Crisp or Buzz Lightyear toy cereal compass and follow it. When you look down on that sunny day and see this huge fucking river, you turn LEFT and head south. Pilots happen to use rivers because they're big and generally the major ones run north to south like the Nile, Mississippi etc.

That explains why my friends and relatives who were in NY at the time said they knew something was wrong because these planes flew south over protected air space and didn't get shut down. They flew parallel to the Hudson.