Unless you're talking about a different time, the shoe bomber tried to detonate the bomb in his shoe, but was stopped..
He wasn't trying to hijack a plane..

and it'll never be over til lots of questions are answered.. not a simple confession from a guy that the gov't has been in control of for.. how long..?

Oh.. the guy that had a girl brought over from Kuwait and attend some acting type school so her story about babies being taken from their incubators and put on the floors would sound credible?

Bush Jr. didn't corner the market on fabricating stories for war support ..

moussaui confessing doesnt answer any of the questions people have .

I dont think many people doubt that arabs hijacked the planes. Thats not really the main unanswered questions..

Just because arabs hijacked the planes doesnt give any insight into why wtc7 fell , what the explosions in base of wtc1 were , what hit the pentagon . how steel melts at less than half the required temperature., how steel can melt but not burn clothes off people. etc etc

It seems as if most people have no concept of history, even recent history like Nazi Germany and especially the USSR. Someone who has been in government custody confesses after 3 years and there are actually people saying "case closed, that proves everything, no need for evidence". Too fucking funny. No one has ever confessed to something untrue. No wonder Stalinism was able to survive so long. It's a hell of a lot easier to close your eyes and submit than it is to do the right thing and fight back. Pathetic, weak little cowards, all of you. History will vindicate the brave souls standing up against tyranny, it always does.

Government apologists are basically unwitting accomplices and will certainly be on the wrong side of history. Like the people near the Nazi death camps who said they didn't know what the black smoke coming from the camps was. You're intentionally remaining ignorant and turning a blind eye to make your lives easier. There's no way to describe someone who fights against an open investigation other than a coward and a traitor.

Equally uninformed - You have no more idea how many people it would take to plan, formulate and carry out the attacks than he does! Love the way you quote 'Dozens of knowing acomplices at most'. Very authoritive. How many attacks of this nature have you planned to be so confident? Guess work presented as fact as per fuckin usual!

Rent the movie " Queimada " directed by Gillo Pontecorvo starring Marlon Brando...

Very briefly, it is the British government sending Brando to find a " local " to be a liberation hero, the one that would guide the independance of this tiny sugar producing island.

The premises was that it was cheaper to buy the sugar from an " independant " island than keep it as a Brittish territory or possession ...

Money is THE bottom line.

How many people were involved in burning down the Reichstag? Tens of thousands? It's common sense that this could be pulled off by several dozen high level people. There is no conceivable way that it would take anywhere close to one thousand, let alone ten thousand. There's a large difference between guesswork and sense.

You people do realize that your ass is not designed to fit your entire head, right? When you people grow up and develop a nut sack you will see the truth staring you in the face.

No shit. And this has precisely what to do with my post?

it pretty well boils down to this.. your either with the majority of america and feel the following people and their families deserve an investigation , or your a cowardly sicko who thinks these people deserved to die without a proper investigation.

http://www.u-blog.net/COUFFINBAGAY/i...erson-jump.jpg

whats it gonna be folks.. ? theres no harm in having an investigation.. theres alot of harm without one. At the very least we should figure out why building built to withstand multiple planes hitting them fall much easier than buildings not built to withstand planes hitting them , and maybe we should check other buildings and see if they are built with the same butter steel in wtc

That is a powerfull and sad picture...

If you ever saw the french documentary, you actually hear the bodies hitting either some canopys or the ground... pretty sad..

http://www.frenchculture.org/tv/programs/naudet911.html

I did not say, imply or infer that ten thousand people were involved in burning down the Reichstag. Linking the two statements is cheap. For the record I have no idea how many people were involved in burning down the Reichstag and in fact no-one actually knows. Usually it is informed guesswork and open to challenge.

Secondly burning a building down at night in 1933 is a world away from crashing passenger jets into prominent targets on US soil in broad daylight in terms of planning, logistics and execution.

Thirdly you railed against the poster for saying tens of thousands and then go and make the same error by presenting your own estimation as fact ie to undertake this operation would take 'dozens of knowing accomplices at most'. Like how would you know how many 'at most' it took to carry out the 9/11 attacks. You don't know how many 'at most' it actually took. So stop presenting your theories and guesswork as fact.

several people have some answering to do REGARDLESS of who did 9/11 , even if the "official" story is true .

The aren't nameless faceless people , these are real people who can come forward and give us the truth.

#1 when a plane flies into restricted airspace or flies off its designted course and cant be reached fighter jets are dispatched. This isnt new , this was well before 9/11 , so i would like to hear from the guy whos JOB is to scramble the jets , and i would like to hear from the fighters themselves. If your job is to protect us from hijacked airplanes WHO didnt do their job and WHY , they cause 1000's of people to DIE , these are people fathers and mothers and sons. If you killed someone's daughter because you fucked up at your job, wouldnt there be an investigation. well someone obviously fucked up , and since they didnt get fired obviously because there wasn't a proper investigation , that means they are still doing the job that they were doing when they fucked up.. do you feel safe protected by the same people that fucked up at their job when they were supposed to be protecting us..

#2 the guy and company responsible for building wtc , i want to know why you said it would not fall and it did. simple question , people who worked in wtc felt safe because you told them it was safe, you fucked up , someone needs to be fired or change the way you build buildings.

#3 the pentagon videos , where are they.. lets see them.

The amateur explanations of folding wings and total disintegration of a plane the size of a 757 are mind boggling..
Not to mention an amateur pilot manually maneuvering such a plane from 1000's of feet, traveling at several hundred mph, descending and just the right inclination, lining up, passing over an interstate and dropping, then leveling off to enter the first floor as the photos show.. yet the size of the fuselage, coupled with the height it would have to fly to keep the engines from hitting the ground would make it impossible.. even if the whole concept was possible..

You can provide information from physicists, pro commercial pilots, scientists, etc. that say, and prove that all of the above is impossible, even if attempted by the most seasoned pilots..
But there are those who refuse to believe any other possiblilty.. Which is why the tapes were confiscated..

I will say it again. There has been multiple investigations by different entities. You either were not paying attention and missed out but I suspect that you just cannot accept any explanation unless it has sinister connotations as is the case with most conspriacy theorists.

In case you missed out just do the research and the answers are out there.

There's no use in arguing anymore about this issue. It's a done deal. Moussaui confessed, it fits the official scenario and legally that's all she wrote.

Bush has escaped every attempt to discredit him. His military record, the two elections, 911, WMDs, Katrina, etc. He's 'The Teflon President' nothing sticks to him and it won't. Why? Because there are far too many Americans who are disfunctional in their responsibilities. Plain and simple. So sit back and take it cause he's only got two more years to go and it's too late to bitch and complain now.

I guess that plane engine that I walked by 3 blocks away must have been planted.

You my son are a fucking tool and need to get a life. You also need to get some new CORRECT information.

You completely disgust me. Using these horrible images that I saw live to try and prove you idiotic theory.

The thought that you would even post these pictures on a site named Go Fuck Yourself, proves that you are a useless piece of shit.

How do you think the families of these poor lost souls would feel knowing that images of their loved ones last seconds were posted here.

I feel sorry that you seem to have no regard for the dignity of the people that died that day, or those of us who deal with the flashbacks and nightmares on a daily basis.

You are everything that is wrong with this county. You don't care about anyone else, just you and your stupid ideas.

I hope you sleep well knowing that you have spit on the grave of everyone of those people in the pictures.

One of the 12 people involved drug it there in the confusion obviously... :winkwink:

He didn't say there were no planes that hit..
He said that with all of the fire and rubble, there was an unscathed passport sitting on top of it all.. That has many people wondering how and why..

and as far as the planes, or fire causing the only three buildings in history to fall from such.. Surely you don't take the gov't explanation as being correct.. or the explanations of the gov't paid 'experts'

If you want correct information.. Read the independent reports from physicists, high rise architects, demolition experts, etc.. Those not paid by the gov't..

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sorry but this makes no sense...no one is refuting that planes smashed into the wtc towers.

however since you mention it...isnt it odd that the planes that hit the wtc and supposedly took them down, had an engine survive. which seems logical to me..that the engines would be knocked off and fall below. but isnt it odd that the plane that hit the smaller building(pentagon) was completely incinerated...no engines recovered except for parts rollys royce said didnt belong in their engines

i mean is anyone denying the planes smashing into the world trade center here? lol

the antis just cant swallow the bitter pill.....they cant stand the idea that they have been fucked over.

There's a reason that some can't stay within a conversation.. Armed with no valid rebuttal, all they have is grade school name calling and unrelated jibberish on their side..

They refuse to do the research that they so loudly suggest that we do.. They heard the initial report of what happened on the news channels and that was that... no other possibilites.. no need to question anything..
Not everyone that raises questions is a conspiracy theorist, and not every one that is a conspiracy theorist is necessarily wrong..

If questions hadn't been raised, Nixon wouldn't have left office..
It's well known by those who DO read that Carter had the iranian hostages set to be released, but Reagan played his game to have the release held off til he was in office so he would get the glory.. And I'm sure that will be called b.s. by some.. but I could give a rat's ass... I'm 56.. I've been where most don't even know exist.. I know what people are capable of in any level of gov't and yes... questions do need to be asked...

huh ? wtf are you talking about you sick idiot.. you are the MINORITY , you are one of the MINORITY of people who think the people that died in 9/11 dont deserve to know why the people that were ther to protect them didnt..

You are a sick bastard and i hope you sleep well ay night disgracing the momory of those killed , i hope your family dies and nobody cares enough to question why..

How dare you disgrace yourself , and how dare you try to insult me. your a pathetic ignorant sack of turd. ever step in my face and it will be the last step you take..

The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/S...ID=0&listSrc=Y

Truth cuts like a knife doesn't it. You are the one disgracing yourself and the memory of the dead with your drivel.

I have no problem questioning anything. I have a problem with you using the images that I saw live to try and prove you conspiracy theory bs.

If you want to question something, question why did the Bush administration did not heed the warnings that Clintons admin and several of his own people gave. That's where we should be doing an investigation. Not that there was a huge cover up and planted explosives in buildings, and missiles fired at the pentagon.

Tell me how does that plane that plowed into the ground in Penn. fit into this conspiracy?

As for your veil threats, well....I'm not really to frightened by a keyboard warrior like yourself. Beside we hang with a different crowd, and would never meet up. You at Walmart, and me at Bloomingdales.

If you ever leave Hazard county, look me up.

Shows that you dont read all the posts. :winkwink:

Ok, after reading this entire thread I saw ONE thing that was not even talked about and it's important. What is it?? Ok, so Bin Laden was the one resposible for this, right? So why in the fuck is he being left alone? There's no talk about him. Of course not. This is why on the day or the next day of 9/11 they flew whatever bin laden family member that was in the US OUT.. Odd don't you think? I don't know about, but if I knew who did this bad thing and many of his family members were around I sure would not sly them out of the fucking country.. I would question them till someone tells me where he is.. They did not do that though or ever really bother looking for him.. Still to this day they are not looking for him.. Oh, but it was him that did it, right? Suuuuuuuuuuuure.

With him still on the loose and in touch with his people, he can be blamed again the next time there's an attack here..

I think the reason he hasn't been brought up much is because there seems to be more to the big picture than just him.. IMO

exactly..

You have it ass backwards buddy. That you were there means nothing, other than the fact that you may be traumatized or too emotionally connected to the event to think clearly.

You're the sick fuck who doesn't want to see the murder of those people investigated. If your mother and sister were murdered in their homes and the police didn't investigate it and clearly lied about what happened, you'd be screaming from the rooftop. If someone posted pictures of the crime scene and said 'look at this horrible crime, it must be investigated', you'd thank them for caring about your family. You and the cowards who would rather do nothing than hold those responsible accountable for 3000 murders are the real suck fuckers. All people are asking for is a real investigation, because the official story is a fairly tale.

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Ah here we go - it was the Jews that did it!:1orglaugh

And at random. There appears to be a consensus that passenger jets crashed into the WTC (I am excluding those that think it was not jets but big bombs disguised as jets with the passengers vapourised at Area 51). We can also agree (ish) that the jets were flown by Arabs who were fantantical in pursuit of their cause and willing to die for it. Whether these people were in the pay of Bin Laden or Bush we will skip for the time being.

Now the act of crashing one or more jets into the WTC would have been sufficient terorist outrage to spark subsequent events (war in Afganistan, Iraq, Patriot Act etc). Whether the WTC collapsed in its entirety or not as a consequence of the attack is irrelevant as is the attack on the Pentagon.

For Bush and his cronies to plan this and make it work the key would be make it simple but dramatic - and having a jet or jets crash into the WTC in full view for all to see fits this.

The building collapsing is unnecessary for what they supposedly wanted to achieve and the other attacks are irrelevant and best explained if they are actually carried out by someone bent on achieving maximum damage on their 'enemy' rather than preparing the way for the American people to go to war etc

The reason why you conspiracy theorists and your theories do not gain any real credence with serious commentators is the sheer stupidity that underpins them. This obsession with why the WTC collapsed is a classic example. No one with any credibility regards this as important. The act of crashing jets onto them is the key point and the trigger for what followed. The fact they ultimately collapsed is irrelevant. To plant bombs in them as well as crashing jets is an act of total lunacy and to keep banging on about it undermines any credance you may have.

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