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After all the variety of point presentations on a conspiracy, why don't we just look at the main character here people.

With all due respect to the President, at the end of the day, do you honestly believe, based on the management performance of his administration so far, that they are capable of orchestrating the logistics of such a vast conspiracy with success??

http://www.doheth.co.uk/funny/misc/Saddam_And_Bush.jpg

I mean come on folks, Bill Gates, maybe so, but this white house?? :helpme

No but The Project for a New American Empire definetly can.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century

Loose Change

Ask yourself this; who is more capable of carrying it out. 19 arabs with box cutters who have never flown a plane that size or the govt with all the technology at their disposal.

I didnt believe this shit either, but the more I looked into it the more stuff just doesnt add up. Then there's Bush using 9/11 to invade Iraq, pushing through the Patriot act within DAYS after 9/11, Halliburton, completely ignoring bin Laden, and now the wiretapping. And I think him sitting in that classroom the way he did says a lot.

Bush still can't give a speech without mentioning 9/11 or terrorists, and here it is almost 5 years later. Its obvious as hell he uses 9/11 as a way to manipulate fear to push his agenda and I have to wonder why.

What, in your opinion is his agenda? Does his agenda, in your opinion, differ from the agenda of Presidents of the past? What, in your opinion, fear is he manipulating?

its a video you fucking moron . what could be more obvious than a video . i never said it showed anything other than the same thing you and i can see and anyone with eyeballs can see not sure why thats difficult to understand but.. lol
your so hung up on yourself you cant even comprehend english . i never said anyone did anything you fucking inbred sack of shit.. try to learn english , it's not hard..

I asked for an investigation and you somehow can guess what my reaction would be . grab a clue you fucking waste of space..

Try taking your head out of your ass for a split second and READ what you quote BEFORE you spew ignorant bullshit.

you need to up your meds or learn to read. i didnt present any of MY theories..

That crash was like at 60 or 70mph I remember watching that on tv. Plane went off the runway. Its like comparing what happens to the roof of a house in 80mph winds, and a f5 tornado...

I believe this administrations agenda is money and power. I think after the first Gulf war Cheney saw a country that held the 2nd largest oil reserves in the world and saw them as easy prey. As far as Bush goes he definitely has dictatorship written all over him and I believe he would like nothing more than to be in complete control of this country without any resistance. What better way to accomplish all this than a 9/11. Nothing allows you to control a population better than making them afraid and thats exactly what they've done.

Now compare this to Clinton after the OKC bombing, I didnt see him going around making speeches years afterwards trying to scare the hell out of everyone about terror and being bombed. He didnt attempt to use OKC to get laws passed that gave him more power. And strangely enough the people responsible were caught within a day.

Thanks for clearing that up.. and with that being the case, look at what the starboard wing did to the brick wall..
http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/strike.jpeg

If that damage was done at only 60 or 70 mph, imagine what a 55' steel ribbed wing would do at several hundred mph.. Yet the photos that supposedly show it was a 757 just have a few bricks out of place and some scratches...

OK, I agree it was used as a convenient justification for invading Iraq. But I totally doubt it was planned by our own leaders. Maybe the military industrial complex had a hand in it somewhere. But I just can't see the white house being able to pull something on this grand a scale off logistically. They just aren't that capable even with the resources at their disposal.

So, can't quote anything as you stated....

Oh, here so you understand the post : :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Dick Cheney was the Secretary of Defense during the '91 Gulf War and it would have been just as easy to topple Saddam and the Bath party as it was this time around and because the people of Iraq were really disgusted by Saddam and the wars that he had put them through at that time they would have been more receptive than what they are at this time. As far as I know Dick Cheney signed off on the 100 hour land war and voluntarily agreed that we should not invade Iraq. If I am correct then it seems he missed the most opportune time to invade to steal their oil if that was his personal intention.

Lets assume that you are correct and Bush wants to be a "dictator", which I personally believe is not possible under our system of government, and lets assume that he achieves some type of "dictator" staus, what does he gain by being a "dictator" for eight years other than a name of infamy in the history books in our lineup of Presidents?

As for fear, I personally do not know anyone that is living in fear. Do you? Whatever fear that may exist I think probably is found because of the two official declarations of war against the United States made by a terroist organization and the multiple attacks they have carried out against US assets around the world for the past twenty years, including the mainland, and the continued threats of future attacks made by said terrorist organization and its allied terrorist organizations. Unless you believe that the US government is producing these tapes and documents asserting the threats and are providing them to Aljazeera for broadcast.

Ya you said it a brick wall of a normal warehouse or office building. Not the friggin pentagon, and Ive already showed you 2 or 3 pictures CLEARLY showing damage caused by the wings. Its not my fault your brain and your eyes are apparently disconnected.

Sorry its just no one gives a shit what you babble about. Its like arguing with a homeless guy holding a sign that says "the aliens are coming" :2 cents:

Wow! 5 pages! This goes to show that all of us here that work together and argue from time to time have pointed out how much we need to have disclosed to us by our government. As long as they stonewall there will be questions and theories. At least whomever was behind these attacks can't take that from us.

Only thing it goes to show is there is a handful of moron moonbats on this board, and a handful that care enough to point out how much of a moron the moonbats are. :2 cents:

I can't believe this thread got to be this long

How can people believe in something as stupid as this conspiracy? I think it has to be a joke or a desire to argue a utterly ridiculous point

This thread isn't worth reading - there has been many like it already..

Here is what happened..

A bunch of terrorists hijacked some planes and crashed them into buildings.

Why doesn't this explanation work? Why do some of you insist on morphing it into some bizarre conspiracy that doesn't make sense?

Yeah and each side thinks the other side is the handful of moonbats. Funny how that works.... :2 cents:

Yes, I think I pointed out what a moron you are thinking you can weaken metal with a lighter :1orglaugh

OK, you fucking idiots.

I was there that day. 2 blocks from the WTC and I saw with my own 2 eyes a commercial jet fly into the building at extremely high speed. I saw the second building fall, once again with my own two eyes. I can tell you there were no secondary explosions.

So all of you and Charlie Sheen can go fuck yourselves. I hate this current administration as much as anyone, but you all need to get a fucking life.

I for one, am lucky to be alive, and so is my son who was 6 months at the time. All of you were sitting in front of your tv's watching, while I was seeing it live.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about, so from me and my son, and all the people who died that day.:321GFY

Ok, I'll believe you over firefighters that were actually there.

Firefighter Edward Cachia :
"We thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down?It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit."
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...hia_Edward.txt


Assistant fire commissioner Stephen Gregory:
"When I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, ..I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down."
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...ry_Stephen.txt

I didnt hear anyone in this thread say it wasnt a plane that hit wtc.. perhaps you should read the thread first before you make blanket statements.

I dont doubt your story ,and im not saying your "lying" when you say you didnt hear any secondary explosions. But to be honest there were several firefighters who were actually INSIDE the buildings that heard explosions. So should i trust YOU who were 2 blocks away or trained firefighters who were inside the building..?

Common sense says we should believe him rather than what we saw on TV or heard elsewhere. I mean logically, in a panic situation he's assessing all aspects of the situation and sees EVERYTHING that is going on. I bet he even knew the color of every suit that ran by him during the collapse. :winkwink:

Very consistant with a building collapsing. Please. Lets say the top 20 floors collapsed, do you actually think that the building can take that sort of stress. It was like on floor after another went.

You can believe what you want from your easy chair. Like I said I WAS THERE. I can remember thinking that the tops of the buildings were gonna fall off, but I never thought those huge buildings would come down.

Tell the people who were jumping 90 stories because the fire was so hot, that it was NOT a fire hot enough to melt metal.

Yep, you saw it on tv, and I saw it live. Guess you have a little better judgment than me. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, I have seen the same things you saw on tv too. Only difference is, that I have seen all the reports and I was there. I can tell you that the tv reports don't even give you any idea of what is was like.

I wish just once they would actually show the carnage, so you fools might actually understand a little better. Let me tell you, there ain't a whole lot left of a person once they hit from 80 stories up. I'm sure you know better cuz you "saw it on tv" gimme a break.

I may have been in survival mode for me and my son, but my senses weren't turned off.

Like i said you werent there you were 2 blocks away, you can sit their in your "easy chair" and say "firefighters are liars and i know better" but frankly that argument wouldnt go far..

The fire hot enough to melt steel couldnt even burn people's clothing standing directly in the hole where the plane hit ? c'mon now what kind of fire burns steel but not cotton shirts ?

understand what exactly ? it was so horrendous we shoudn't ask questions ? did anyone say that someone falling from 80 floors turn out fine ?

One more thing that I can tell you that I do remember.

I saw several police push people out of their way, so they could run AWAY from the scene. I also saw fireman going towards certain death.

So when they talk about how brave that the police were, it's a bunch of crap.

Here' a little tidbit of info that you probably don't know. There were more court officers killed that NYPD. The courthouse was close by and they went to help.

Yep, the big blue should change their name to the big yellow.

hmm perhaps you should look up the word "consistant".

That would imply that there are other steel buildings that have collapsed from fire, and there arent any , so what exactly is "consistant " about it ? Infact show me ANY steel building that has collapsed for any reason that would be even remotely close to this scenario.. you cant because there is none.. so there was no "consistancy" it was the first time it ever happened. Therefore we cant just assume thats how building collapse from fire. Thats why we have these cool things called "investigations" to examine the "FACTS" not speculation by uninformed people.

we do know one thing it WAS consistant with .. A controlled demolition.. infact it looks like hundreds of other controlled demolitions.. , and nothing like non existant steel building collapses, because they dont happen period..

Why would they read ... They have all the canned answers ready ... and at the end, they pull out their tin foil hat picture.

Well, I can tell you that that tin foil hat is a used one, by those who believed that Saddam had WMD, that he could attack the USA in 15 minutes, that he findled in the 9/11 attack, that there was a red line around baghdad that would release deadly gases, that the US troops would be greeted as liberators, that the oil would pay for the war, that the war would be a picnic, a walk in the park, and so on ...

Seems the hat fits those hardcore GOP card carrying idiots.

it's also consistant with this

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/...-microsoft.htm

Thats fucking spectacular dude. :1orglaugh

But wait, they can't wear tinfoil hats! Thats what they say everyone else is wearing when a question about a bullshit explanation gets asked.

Don't take away their only weapon against logic! Let them keep the tinfoil hat comment as their own. We know they don't have their dignity, but lets at least allow them the tinfoil hat comment.

freedom to the people

Anyone who actually believes the official govt story is definetly :
1. fucked in the head
2. a total fuckin fool
i would love to sell you my new product, called shit on a stick.


What I find very amusing is that americans were all up the firemens asses....we support you, we love you...bla bla bla...but when the firemen said" HEY THEY GOT FUCKIN BOMBS IN THOSE TOWERS GOING OFF! " , THEY PUBLICALLY KILLED THE CREDIBILITY OF THE NYC FIRE DEPT.

Another amusing thing. The fires were so hot, they warped beams. Oh yes, it was so hot that in video footage broadcasted all over the world, we see a woman ALIVE , looking rather calm UN BURNED, NOT SWEATING, waiting to be rescued.

All the garbage left over was shipped very very very quicky outside the country.

you people are a joke if u believe that the govt didnt have anything to do with this.

tell you what, when bush ends up blowing something else up so he can declare marshal law, kill the impeachment process and dictate to ur loser asses, ill b elaughing my fuckin ass off at you fools while im on a plane out of this garbage country. I made my money in this country already, and done exchanged it for euro's long ago....and when im tired of dicking american women and using them as a sperm bank, im gone. AMERICANS ARE THE DUMBEST BREED ON EARTH.

So how does this conspiracy work?

The United States sends secret agents inside the WTC to rig it with explosives.

This is of course before they hit the buildings with missiles disguised as planes.

All this to start some wars.

Am I correct?

About sums it up!:thumbsup Can't understand why we even doubted this conclusion

nope your not even close to anything mentioned, infact i dont think anyone was idiotic enough to make some vague assumption ..

So to answer simply. no

Perhaps you should go look up the word conspiracy in your dictionary. Figure out what it means then come back and read the thread, then you will understand what this thread is about.. :thumbsup