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50 serious allegations against AWE.

Fat Panda

Seems you have your ducks in order...

will76

most people aren't familiar with their TOS since they make it up and change it as they go.

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topsiteking

Good point.

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I GFY

stocktrader23

Even if they had the new cookie should overwrite the old one.

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topsiteking

True it should overwrite the old one...One would think...

I never did sign-up with AWE but,Mickey says:
"AWE popunders do not place cookies unless there is user interaction (in other words, unless the user clicks the ad)."
( http://board.awempire.com/showthread.php?t=11148 post #4 )

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Here is a post I made on AWE last week:

http://board.awempire.com/showthread.php?t=11148

DISTURBING REVELATION: AWE is our biggest competitor ... Say it ain't so

For 11 years I have run a tight-knit adult social network site. Last June I signed up with AWE / LJ after meeting Douglas at the XBIZ show in Las Vegas. LJ would be a great 'fit'

Pretty soon after I started promoting AWE I started having issues with my sales getting credited to other webmasters.

I knew this was the case because my Members -- many of whom have been with me for more than five years -- were encouraged to try LiveJasmin and email me to be included on my WebCam VIP list.

When I wrote to support to inquire why two of these sales were not showing up on my commission list I was told that they were credited to another webmaster and no other information was available. Well, that sucked.

I then wrote to the two guys and asked them if they had been to LJ recently. Neither one of them had ever been to LJ. One guy had gone to CAM4.com, but he clears his cookies / temp files / cache on a daily basis

Fast forward to yesterday.

I was chatting on ICQ with Douglas and I asked him if someone goes to a site like PornHub.com and a LiveJasmin popup / popunder appears out of nowhere, would that set a cookie?

Imagine my surprise when he said "yes"

Keep in mind that LJ cookies are NON-REWRITABLE. So, if someone gets a LJ cookie from PAID ADVERTISING on a NON-WEBCAM site, and then DAYS LATER goes to LJ INTENTIONALLY as a result of your marketing efforts then AWE get the sale.

NOTE TO AWE: Please let me know if I explained it wrong.

If this is in fact the case then I for one am VERY DISTURBED by this revelation.

Douglas tells me that this is common knowledge among affiliate webmasters.

Well, I can tell you that I was in a state of shock when I learned this. In essence AWE is BY FAR our biggest competitor.

Maybe I was naive but I thought that a surfer would need to actually visit LJ in order for a cookie to be set.

By my count I have lost approximately 20 sales out of 100. That's 20% ... One out of five.

AWE won't help one bit to explain who got the sale and how. I have several letters from other clients all saying the same thing .. that they hadn't been to LJ. Most had never been to a webcam site at all before I explained what camming was all about and how fun it was.

At the time I didn't think to ask if they had been to PornHub or some other site where they might have picked up the AWE cookie.

This "surprise cookie" revelation explains a lot and I am not a happy camper

Please weigh in on this. Is this common knowledge? Do other sites do this?

Is it something many / most / all sites do? Or is AWE a special situation in the industry?

Of course AWE has a huge marketing budget .. but do the other sites do it on some level or another?

Let's see if this thread stays up for long

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AwEmpire has stalled paying me around $291.xx for the past 2 months. First it was a "lost" check in the mail even-though the USPS has never ever lost a single check of mine. They admitted there was a problem with their payouts, but forced me to agree to a $35 cancellation fee before they would send a WIRE, then did not include all my bank information they wanted in the WIRE which, they said, was "RETURNED". It seems they are utilizing STALL tactics and I DON'T LIKE IT.

TWO MOTNHS LATER They still have not paid me. WHERE IS MY MONEY AWEMPIRE?

My business partner also has an outstanding payment they never paid him, so the problem isn't unique just Mr. CXA

BradBreakfast

and now tonight, they're website does not WORK!


UPDATE: it's working now.

CXA

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Tempest

Doesn't surprise me... One just has to do some research on here to see threads about their cookies and how they're shady. Would never promote them no matter how much they "said" they'd pay.

BradBreakfast

They have fake American-sounding names like "Brad" and "Dave" but when one of their reps replied to my emails, the "senders name" was "Naggy" not "Brad".... they're supposedly in Hungary.

I really hope nobody nominated them for "Affiliate Program of the Year" for the xBiz 2011 Awards, as they've drug there feet paying me... and other people I know.

"AWEmpire Named XBIZ Summer Forum Platinum Sponsor" .... was it with skimmed affiliate money?

BSleazy

They have big money to payout all the tube sites monthly so it's hard to believe they are dodging 200 dollar checks...add some zeros suckas.

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BradBreakfast

@BCyber - Yeah tell me about it. I have had other affiliate programs paying me $100-800 weekly with no problems, one affiliate program paid me $35k just last year OFF ONE SITE. What AwEmpire is doing is disgusting and is obviously wide spread.

I believe CXA because the same thing is happening to me, right now as me, and another affiliate I referred to AwEmpire as we speak.

I'll be happy to post when I get paid, but after all my time chasing this payment for 2 months is almost not going to be worth it.

If I don't receive payment like I told AwEmpire, I'll have to tell anybody who mentions AwEmpire about my experience and their non-payment... and as I told them, I'm only 26 years old and in this business FOR THE LONG HAUL!

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BradBreakfast

Awempire dave ... Where are you and where is our money?


If I'm not paid... I'll be submitting fraudulent processing complaints to VISA and MASTERCARD directly.

2intense

I wonder why we have no AWE response on this thread?

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2intense

I am very happy that I deleted all their links

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BradBreakfast

I too have removed all their flash apps (that cause multiple unwanted pop-ups if your visitors leave your site open too long), as well as their links until I'm paid.

carzygirls

I understand what is going on, clearly see the OP POV, but why are you so retro-active about your $291? You are kinda drowning the thread

If one sponser paid you 35K last year alone wouldn't that tell you to just leave 1 comment here then see what happens... it's like a vibrator got shoved up your ass and you can't stop posting till it has been removed. ya know... just from where i'm sitting

And yeah... where the fuck is AWE?

2intense

I noticed that,and I do not like

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BradBreakfast

@crazygirls - It's money that's owed to me, being unjustly withheld, and until I get it, I'm not going to shut up. No offense to you.

With that being said, that's all I'm going to say about that.

BradBreakfast

@2intense - I first thought it was just Chrome web browser, so I idled on my sites in FireFox, and their "Live cam" flash banners didn't just do 1 or 2 popups but like 6 all in a row and they were hard to close. I pulled those from my small-but-profitable network of sites as fast as I could. I don't want to send visitors to shady ass affiliates or I'll lose credibility with them and there will be no repeat sales, and without those my business would eventually die due to the lack of trust.

wildwildwest

Our affiliate division had a recent AWE check that was "apparently lost in the mail". When we emailed AWE, they told us to submit a trouble ticket. When we submitted a trouble ticket, they told us to submit ANOTHER trouble ticket requesting a stop payment on the check, and advising us that it would cost $35.00 for the stop payment. Then we emailed Dave at AWE and got this somewhat puzzling reply:

Huh? I'm not sure what he meant by relevant question; we asked nothing about "actual figures". AWE's Dave admitted (to another affiliate) to "more than one" checks that were lost during the same time period. And yet they STILL charged affiliates the $35.00 for the stop payment.

We're STILL waiting for the check... hoping that perhaps one day it will arrive.

We've been lucky; only dealt with one other program who had payment problems. We had to sit through a one-hour conference call to figure out why we never received their $110.00 payment. They filed bankruptcy shortly thereafter...

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BradBreakfast

AWEmpire = Next ePassporte level scandal ??????

stocktrader23

Yikes, getting worse by the minute.

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Nautilus

Now they have 10K more of free money to buy more popunders at the illegal tubes and filesharing boards. Congrats to the winners.

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nico-t

Just read the threads on AWE and this one, the 20 sales could be a cookie issue. But the 30 sales that all of a sudden didnt pass the so vaguely called "sniff test"?? That sounds really really fishy to me. Kinda looks like they decided they were fraudulent after the "bad press" threads from you.

HerPimp

Feeling like you got screwed over is horrible at any amount. Good Luck getting this resolved.

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Tjeezers

the truth will be somewhere in the middle, again....

He actually says in 1st post

• When I joined AWE, they were running their $222 PPS

So from my understanding you actually say you joined AWE for this $222 contest and used your network of members on your own site as cows to cash 222 dollars and in return give your members a place on a VIP and pay back some discount to them. All in all, you still would be able to pay back the whole $99 dollar package back if you would cash in $222 a sale.

Sounds like a creative use of milking the system, not sure if you discussed this with AWE before you actually started to do it like this. So perhaps they dont like to see a creative abuse like this on their PPS, honestly their rules and you cant do jack shit.

The way how you did this and how you describe this makes me think there is a lot more behind this then you want to make us believe.

But will see how it plays out here, if it ever / uberhaupt gets plaid out.

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BradBreakfast

@Tjeezers - If AwEmpire isn't scamming everybody and supporting illegal tube sites [why do they care, you can't pirate LIVE shows... you can record them and pirate them, but it's not the same effect].. where is wildwildwest's and my payments. I'm starting to think this is wide spread and now only coming to light because people are hoping to still get paid.... I, myself have been warning AwEmpire rep's I'll go to the boards if I am not paid. They keep promising payment and their time lapses and they promise it again..... FOR TWO MONTHS.

I ask if you are not having an issue yourself please don't try to distract people from the issue at hand. Thanks

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This thread is very interesting.

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Tjeezers

What I have or had, i keep for myself in this thread
but from what I read, you and a few others have not learned how to read between the lines.

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BradBreakfast

@Tjeezers - I'm a victim of AWEmpire myself as well and this isn't a case of "mob mentality". I do not need to "read between the lines." This is my last response to you, as it's obvious you're just trying to stir up problems.

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darksoul

My thoughts exactly.
Its not very hard for awe not to notice 30 users coming from the same webmaster in a short period of time with the same spending patters
The way you worded your letter to Mickey shows that you tried to game the system so

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Tjeezers

stir up problems?

I think you are wrong. I am a well experienced AWE webmaster with positive and some negative ideas on how it works. But still, i am there for 6 years now i believe.

Problems like this have never happened until the $222 promo started. So when it is regarding this, you should know for sure that every sort of creative way of promoting is a risky one when other party, in this case LJ, is not aware of this.

The whole motivation of this post is more then clear to me, but the post itself is not really mirroring the entire situation, thats all I say.

OP used a few creative things to make his members spend $99 packages, and OP was aware he would cash $222 on this. OP tells he is informing AWE he is making them a perfect business, uses a few smoke cloud marketing lines, and tries to tell AWE that he almost knows for sure that these $222 members will continue spending cause they are all member of his escort site and he introduces now his LJ Cams there.

Now, i dont stire up shit when i say PPS programs cant remain alive paying out huge payouts and having a inactive member after 4 weeks. It is a fact that whale campaigns like this stir up shit, it separates the rush player from the life time revenue player.

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<Wonders if this could be the next Dirty D style thread>

BradBreakfast

Just so everybody knows I inserted their ready-made flash banners on my blog sidebars and did a post or two about them with a screen capture as the post graphic including an honest review. That's the extent of the creativeness of my promotion.

I still have not been paid.

Buzz

if that's true and the single webmaster gets ripped off of 11k - how many do they scam in total? Millions per year?

JFK

I think along the same lines

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after reading this thread, i'm pulling links now

Zyber

I think you are right, Tjeezers.
Like you say, it sounds like the OP could have been a bit creative with "milking the system".

It makes sense that not all $222 sales were counted, because AWE does not count "every" signup, even though their promos said otherwise.

Remember when this "flaw" was pointed out back in June?
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=972750

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=951993&page=8

After this attempt of cheating webmasters was exposed, AWE did improve their wording a little on their future promos. Kudos for that...

Good luck having your issue(s) solved.

JFK

well thought out reply

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digitaldivas

I am pulling links now as well.

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the old cookie trick, shitloads is made with that

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can fatfoo save them?

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dont forget torrents and warez sites

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