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NaughtyVisions

I was thinking the same thing. It's not the affiliate's fault the check was lost, why does the fee have to be passed on to the affiliate? Next time my check for my utility bill gets lost in the mail, I'll be sure to pass the stop check fee on to them.

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He is talented.

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ShellyCrash

Ditto to this. Doesn't seem right to pass the cost on to the webmaster, especially if more than one check went missing.

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CXA

The problem with AWE is that they treat their affiliates as if they are the enemy. They don't give a rats ass if their screw-up causes problems for their affiliates. This is abundantly evident from their policies and practices.

I posted this on the AWE board in the midst of the "check is in the mail ... not" fiasco:


I used to work as an Institutional Bond Trader for a Wall Street brokerage firm. This was in the late 1980's.

If a payment was ever delayed they would do whatever it took to get us paid ASAP. Replacement checks would be sent from the home office by Express FedEX within 12 hours. Sometimes they would send a Courier if FedEX wasn't an option.

They would do this even if the commission amount was a few hundred bucks
That my friends is how truly professional companies that derive their income from a sales force treat their people.

If a manager ever made his people wait for payment because of a company screw-up, he'd be fired in a heartbeat and would never work on Wall Street again.

This isn't Wall Street, that's for sure. I just hope it's not the sewer that runs under the street. As I said in my original post, how AWE handles this will show me how much they think of their money-makers.

Will they be AWE-some or will they be AWE-ful. We'll see

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signupdamnit

That's how it used to be in Adult as well. I had one major sponsor (of old) "bounce" a check when they changed banks. He wrote me a check from his personal account and sent it via Fed Ex and volunteered to pay any additional fees. He was very apologetic about the whole thing.

Back then being an affiliate was more of a partnership. These days it's often more one way with the sponsor looking for every way they can to possibly screw you over and minimize you. The whole attitude has changed and it shows. 95% of programs by old standards are operating a scam on affiliates. But that's the old standards. It's very different now what is considered acceptable... I'm thinking more and more of flat out refusing to send any traffic to anyone who doesn't live 100% up to my standards on what I see as an ideal affiliate. Perhaps that's better than settling and growing some crook's business for them. It might mean staying out of some areas but so be it.

digitaldivas

true this

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lazycash

Not sure if you missed my question cxa, but could you answer it?

nikki99

I am in hopefully not too late

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You're earlier than I am

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why does AWE allow ads to be run on warez sites

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Robocrop

Great response from AWE..I think we can say its safe to push them!

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CXA.
For you to not get the sale, they do not have to be a member of livejasmin, nor visit it, nor be a member of any of the other main sites/cobrands/whitelabels.

There are many sites out there that stuff livejasmin cookies without ever clicking anywhere near the site. Also, cookies are not the only way AWE tracks surfers, so telling your members to clear their browser cookies before they buy probably won't help.

signupdamnit

I acknowledge such technical tracking issues too. However he still claims 20 out of 100 sales not being credited to him when the surfer entered through his link. That's very high and quite different than one or two.

The proper way to credit a sale sent from an affiliate link is to almost always give the credit to the affiliate sending the surfer IF THEY BUY IN THAT INSTANCE regardless of previous cookies.

Case "Type-in incoming"

1. Does prior transaction exist (consumer-affiliate linking)? Yes-credit that webmaster; No- Continue.

2. Does valid affiliate cookie exist? Yes- Credit affiliate. No- Continue.

3. Credit to house.


Case "affiliate link incoming"

1. Does prior affiliate cookie exist?

Yes: Credit this referrer for any sales NOW for this session but do not overwrite existing cookie (future type-ins go to old webmaster who set the cookie).

No: Set new affiliate cookie and credit this affiliate for all sales now and in future.

This is one way to help resist cookie stuffing because it means no matter what the webmaster sending the customer directly from the affiliate link at that moment gets the sale. Cookie stuffing would only help for type-ins and then only if another affiliate didn't already set a cookie. The above isn't perfect or all inclusive but it shows a good general practice. Requiring an actual click to set a cookie is another great practice too.

I know AWE's program probably isn't set up like this, thus much of the problem. But I doubt they are alone on that. That's my opinion on the best way to set tracking anyway.

Intrinsic

So if CXA told his members to sign up for $99 package and he'd refund them, he's out a lot of money now!!!

Tempest

I always wondered why so many tube sites etc. were poping livejasmin constantly and this makes it clear.. cookie stuffing... funny.. Every other affiliate program works to prevent cookie stuffing, some even prohibit it their TOS... And yet these guys support it... Right there should be a huge red flag that these guys are shady fucks and not worth your traffic unless they're pay you for it up front.

NaughtyVisions

I'm not sure why CXA hasn't answered that himself, but from what I remember from his first post(s), and no, I didn't go back to check, he mentioned something about setting up a VIP Area, where his members that signed up with AWE and emailed him would get VIP status within his sites and get discounts on future purchases from him.

I don't know the guy, but I think that's what I remember reading.

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Ron Bennett

Regardless of whether AWE is totally legit, just the aspect they're touting $222 PPS far and wide seems sketchy.

Many programs avoid such unrealistic payouts, or at least limit it to a few days max, because they're not sustainable, which creates much bad will, as well as bring out the scammers.

I get the jist from reading this thread that those seeking the AWE $222 PPS are, predominantly, the ones being adversely affected - ie. signups not being counted or credited elsewhere (ie. the cookie issues), reduced payout for non-qualified signups, and reversals due to "fraud" or whatever.

Bottom line is if sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't; tangle with sharks, expect to get bitten.

Ron

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fatfoo

I did not have problems with Awe.

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MattO

Just now I cleared completely my cookies, then paid a visit to the Pirate Bay and waited for the pop-unders to hit.

One of the pop-unders was from LiveJasmin, which I closed immediately and without clicking anything but the close button.

I then checked my cookies and this is what I saw:


I hope you deal with them accordingly.

BradBreakfast

MICKY:

WTF are you serious? I've held off on hitting up the boards for TWO MONTHS trying to get paid. When I saw Neil's post I said to myself, I've had ENOUGH!

"Unfortunately the check void fees are imposed by the issuing company/bank and the fee has to be passed onto the affiliate."

That would be totally fair if it was the AFFILIATES FAULT, but I have email's from AWE-Brad stating that that payment checks were not delivered to MANY US-based affiliates, not just me. The problem is on your end and you and your support would rather fight with me about a $35 check cancellation fee THAT YOUR COMPANY SHOULD PAY if you KNOW THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH MORE THEN A FEW AFFILIATES.

In America, this is called "The cost of doing business." but your probably off in some shady country and wouldn't know the least about legitimate business or support.

You really need to stop bringing up WebmasterChecks. Again, it's YOUR company that used them for payout. You didn't have to use an outside payment company but were too lazy to print and post laser checks yourselves. The WebmasterChecks problem did not effect me and this is NOT related to that, as this payment was generated WAY after WebmasterChecks closed. With that being said, your obviously not committed to getting me my payment. I received yet another email [from a "rep" lurking on this thread] from a "US-based support rep from AWE" he had a 310 number which is out of LA. I told him the only thing he could do to solve this issue is to walk into a Bank of America branch and deposit cash into my checking account. I included my checking account number. He said I would be hearing from him soon, but haven't heard anything yet.

As of 3:30 PM PST, no money has been deposited and NO wire received. If you were serious about fixing you and your companies reputation on this forum, you would pick up the phone and send a bank wire IMMEDIATELY, but your too busy challenging and questioning and making excuses for my legitimate support need. Like I've said in previous posts, this WILL BE the post EXPENSIVE $291.00 you didn't pay out if you choice not to pay me.

Mickey_

Brad,
Your wire was sent back to us by the intermediary bank today. We have re-initiated the wire transfer today. One of our representatives will be in touch with you regarding the details.

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BradBreakfast

TODAY??????? Gee, I wonder why it was done TODAY and not last FRIDAY (when Brad said he re-sent it) or early MONDAY of this week. Funny timing how it was "Sent" today.

Sounds legit.

I wonder if it has anything to do with this thread?

Mickey_

Please re-read my post. The wire was sent as Brad had mentioned (which you received a confirmation of), that wire, however, was SENT BACK to us by the intermediary bank. The wire was re-initiated once again today. Clearly you are angry but please review my post where I ask you an honest question. Do you HONESTLY believe that AWE has any reason to NOT want to pay your commission? Especially 291 usd?

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BradBreakfast

Micky:

I actually sent awe-brad and awe-dave to my bank's website on friday for wire instructions so if it was sent back, again, the problem only relies on awe alone.

Just stop talking your not making AWE look any better.

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zorrak

There is no PSID field, so no affiliate cookie has been set.

Machete_

Well, obviously SOME kind of cookie was set. I'd like to hear an explanation.

Mickey_

That is correct.

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Cyber Fucker

That all explains a lot of about extremely poor ratios that everybody experiences with AWE. On the other hand I wonder how are big guys doing with AWE, it looks like huge tubes and sites are heavily promoting AWE... or maybe this is just paid by AWE advertising?

Machete_

There is only one way to make any decent money with AWE - it's buy selling them spots/popups for a flat fee. No sign ups bullshit.

and thats what most big sites do.

BradBreakfast

I think AWEmpire will come crashing down: They've re-sent another "wire" even though I told them I wanted a cash deposit TODAY from their Los Angeles based "senior support rep". I have Bank of America and they have branches all around the LA area.

He said he had the wire resent but it won't include my FULL AMOUNT they owe me -- $35 to be "credited back" to my AWEmpire account.

I told them before hand I will not even consider promoting AWEmpire again until I receive my FULL $291.00 USD payment.

I asked via AOL IM why they didn't "resend" the full amount and he said that it had already been sent minus the $35.

Well AWEmpire... I suggest you send another WIRE, deposit cash into my checking account, or paypal me my $35.

I won't continue to send you sales to be able to access money that should have already been sent TWO MONTHS AGO, nor will I ever "settle down" about this issue.

I WANT MY FULL $291.00 USD

bigluv

I'd like to hear a full explanation of how they credit sales and how their cookies work. Under what circumstances *exactly* do I refer a someone through my link and they make a purchase and I don't get paid?

I just signed up for them recently, and this doesn't make me feel good.

Ron Bennett

Perhaps the wacctid field, which contains "thepirbaypu", is also used for tracking?

Also, does AWE utilize flash cookies? Maybe they don't for affiliates, but they may for advertisers, preferred partners, etc...

There a zillion ways an affiliate program can manipulate tracking / stats to their advantage ... it comes down to trust and performance ... either one believes AWE is tracking sales and paying a worthwhile amount ... or for those who believe not, it's more prudent to pull links and promote something else than trying to get all technical ... because at the end of the day, it comes down to one's intuition / experience in the business and the bottom line that counts.

Ron

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the color and font variations make this thread that much more epic

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fris

of course they are paying you to say that.

plus i doubt you have ever made any money promoting any sites, other than your obscene42 bullshit that was not very legal the images you had on it, was very sketchy.

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CXA

If things had stayed on-track with LJ, I would have been able to create a separate area where my girls could "show their stuff" to my guys. It could be set up any number of ways but in essence we would have a special pricing structure.

I encouraged the guys to join LJ on the merits but also because it would help us make a good impression on LJ and it would also get them discounts from the girls and the webcam shows once we started them.

AWE was well aware of this all along. Had we not gotten derailed, I would have sold MANY MANY more LJ memberships and probably would have had 30+ girls in our "studio". I had some ideas for special events that would have kept my guys glued to their computer screens.

I'm gonna get this done, just not with LJ.

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This was them after you told them that:

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It's always been my rule that a sponsor has to be zealous about getting affiliates every penny owed. They are in a fiduciary relationship to affiliates and have an enormous field of opportunities to screw us without recourse; thus, to earn my trust, they need to take every visible opportunity to make certain that we get what's owed, down the the last cent.

LiveJasmin/AWE flunked that test with me years and years ago ... so long ago that I don't remember the details now. Pretty sure it had to do with cooky handling, or possibly their definition of "lifetime" for revshare purposes. No matter -- they've had waaay too many threads like this over the years for sensible affiliates to send them traffic. The thirty-five dollar lost check fee that affiliates eat, alone, is enough reason not to do business with them.

Bottom line: Affiliate funds belong to the affiliates. It's the sponsor's duty to get them into affiliate hands. If something goes wrong along the way, it's the sponsor's job to make it right. The affiliate didn't have control over how the money was sent, the affiliate shouldn't have to eat a bogus-huge fee when something goes wrong with the payment in transit. A sponsor who puts that cost on the affiliate is NOT zealous about getting affiliates every penny of their money, is not to be trusted, and should not be dealt with.

This is affiliate business 101. There are still people who need to have this explained?

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lazycash

Ah ok, I'm not familiar with your site, but it sounded initially like you were giving your members a discount on your site to signup for LJ via your link. I've been one of AWE's biggest critics over the years and have sent traffic to just about every cam sponsor, but them. However, if you were incentivizing your signups in any way then your sales will generally be very poor performing for the sponsor. Since AWE is paying such a high pps, if from one affiliate they get a bunch of new sales from lots of different customers that only make one purchase, then they lose a ton and are motivated to find a reason not to payout on those sales.

BradBreakfast

CXA ... Sorry dude but your sales just didn't pass the "sniff test" BAHAHAHAHAHHH....

This thread has gone from bad to worse to extremely bad then it went to AWE-BAD.

Wow.

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will76

you know for sure they didn't buy the image, it says on the site " For information about prints and pricing, please CONTACT US. " if they just stole it, that is straight up retarded. I'd hope they could afford to buy a stock photo instead of jacking it.

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Platinumpimp

That's not against the rules is it? THEY offer this deal, he just jumps in.

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needs more sniff test

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