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Since most Obama haters are quick to pretend that they are completely clueless as to why Obama is the better man for America


Give me 5 real reasons you are against Obama... or shut the fuck up.

farkedup

1) He's Black and honestly black people simply haven't proven they can run ANYTHING.

2) Not a fan of Socialism

3) He supports the CLinton health plan and my wife's a nurse. No nurse wants anything even close to Clintons plan AKA canada for dummies

4) I don't believe he'll tell the black organizations to STFU which they all need to.

5) Affirmative action does NOT work so why the hell is it bringing us a president? (Obama got "passes" due to affirmative action)

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marketsmart

1) he has nappy hair
2) he eats watermelon
3) he picks cotton
4) he loves fried chicken
5) he stole my bike

with all that said, i am still going to vote for him...

farkedup

of course when compared to McCain and the bitch I like him more so I don't think most of his supporters really support HIM, they just would rather have him

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Ok so you found the balls to come up with one real reason to dislike him ... everything else you said is just ignorant bullshit

So since you only have one reason... lets expound on that


Why dont you like the idea of universal healthcare and mandatory care for children?? what about that turns you off?

Lets be mature adults and have a conversation on the issues

baddog

Inexperienced
Will raise taxes
Will not get us out of the middle east
Do not want more welfare
He is not going to bring jobs "back." Get over it. Time to learn new skills

marketsmart

if you dont think we are going to have to raise taxes to get out of this mess, well i dont know what to tell you... i guess let me piss on you and tell you its raining..

Pornwolf

1. He's Arab or something
2. He's definitely black too, which is bad but I can't say that in public
3. He's a terrorist
4.
5. He's black.

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Inexperienced???? So you would rather he had been president before?? or just wish he had the same experience as bush 1 or bush 2 when he was elected? He is a constitutional law professor who graduated at the top of his class with a J.D from harvard. What experience exactly are you looking for?



Taxes?? Would you rather the dems raise taxes or let the entire nation fail?? Lets be serious and lets be realistic adults here baddog... it takes money to run a country...



Middle east? Obama has the bes plan for getting us out of the middle east where I have a sister stationed in Iraq.... he was against us being there in the first place and wants to set a deadline for troop withdrawls.


Welfare? What type of welfare are you talking about? The few million spent each year on poor people in America or the 700 billion in corporate welfare for rich bankers and lenders? Are you saying welfare is fine as long as its not for the poor?? I dnt understand your position as it is fataly flawed.


Jobs?? You dislike Obama because you feel he cannot get jobs back?? Obama is the best canidate possible to bring jobs back to the united states... he wants to rais taxes on companies who employ workers overseas and give credits to those with domestic employees.... by the way are you saying john mccain will bring jobs back

or are you saying john mccains proposal to buy all these people out of the mortgages they cannot afford .... ar you saying thats this is not welfare in the worst way???

farkedup

1)Are you familiar with the actual details of this? WAGES for people such as Nurses will go to hell along with increasing their workload.

2) SICK people will be put on a waiting list to get help. Surgeries that are NEEDED you won't get for MONTHS

3) When healthcare is "free" people go to the hospital for BULLSHIT Reasons. WIthout insurance I've skipped going for the hospital for BROKEN bones which have caused some long term problems but I didn't want to pay for them to do shit that I figured I could do at home. I've even had shoulder dislocations put back in myself. The last time I went I had stepped on a long rusty object and I waited over a week to go when I had red lines going up my leg.

As an example, poor people with the free healthcare bring their kids in over every sneeze and cold. Healthcare system will simply be overwhelmed.

- The real solution to healthcare? 2 things 1)Put caps on lawsuits and make it a LOT harder to sue your doctor. Lawsuits have driven insurance up to insane levels for dr's. My wife has even been dragged into some of the dumbest lawsuits.
2)On top of that simply reduce costs of meds! If Mexico and the rest of the world can get these drugs so much cheaper why the hell cant we? Don't force us to make up all the "research" costs, spread it evenly throughout the world!

Health insurance is completely unaffordable for most people. It would be possible to OFFER a government oversight solution like medicare to the nation but not make it paid for by tax payers! make them pool the monthly fee like a traditional health insurance plan only use low oversight, not for profit oversight to that pool. I am NOT for taking tax dollars and putting it into healthcare.


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show me any credible source that can verufy anything you said above especially the part about nurses wages etc etc etc

just one source

farkedup

Obama backed this bailout so that simply isn't something you can say... he fully supports that corporate welfare. I'm against ALL welfare so yeah Obama sucks

Instead of jacking up taxes AND spending he needs to go through and REDUCE costs everywhere. We can trim our defense budget great, there just isn't a need....

Iraq? We need to get the hell out like TWO YEARS AGO! (never should have gone in) BUT Obama simply does NOT have plans for a quick pullout. He called for immediate removal in his EARLY campaign but he has changed his tune on that. Obviously he doesn't have the balls to stand firm in what he believes in.

Obama sucks and so does old man winter. How many elections have we had no real candidate? Democracy doesn't work obviously.

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Gambrinus

I dont hate Obama per se.

I hate the brainwashed sheep that treat him like he is the second coming. Nothing will change under Obama. The rich will stay rich, the poor will stay poor, you will all still be wage slaves sucked into an endless cycle of consumption until you die no matter who is elected. Please die.

tony286

Really talk to the chairman of American Express
http://people.forbes.com/profile/ken...-chenault/4704
As far as taxes folks no matter who is in office taxes are going up. Mccain can only attack Obama personally they have nothing to offer but the same bullshit we have had for the past 8 yrs. As far as jobs an American company wants to ship out jobs,no tax breaks for them.
Health care is necessary, this country has a serious problem. My father had a heart attack while visiting london many years ago and guess what he got excellent care.

PSSuperstars

I would be interested for someone to point to a source that says that XRayTechs and Nurse wages will go down.
Proof that it will go down..

I mean, I'm sure travel nurses won't be pulling in 50/hr any longer for per diem work.. ;) but really, what 2 year degree person deserve 50/hr? Fuck, teachers don't even make that shit...

baddog

No shit Sherlock. But what does he keep saying he is going to do?

tony286

and we are 20 th in life expectancy,all the countries ahead of us have socialized medicine.

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So really no one has provided a legit reason to dislike Obama yet?? Just a few made up rants ..... interesting

you would think that at least one of you wuld step up to the place with real legit answers

pretty sad

tony286

And most nurses Ive run into at hospitals have the worse not my job attitudes Ive ever seen.

PSSuperstars

what evidence points to him not lowering it for 200k and below?
Is there evidence showing that that's going to happen?
Something you can see that we can't?
or just republican rhetoric?

It's my understanding that the money generated from getting rid of big business loopholes.. will cover all our national debt needs..
show me where i'm wrong.

PSSuperstars

Hasn't it been proven that the people who do the dirty work like the assistants and LPN's... their pay actually goes UP in a socialized healthcare plan? and nursing usually average out around 45k'ish... with XRay Techs being just under that? and then specialized radiology tech anywhere from 80-110k?

My family is full of XRay techs, nurses, and other medical fielders who are all pro obama and pro universal health care..

farkedup

The UK also has the worst record for waiting times with 15% having to wait for more than six months for elective treatment.

Canada was the next worst on 14% and the Netherlands the best with 2%.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7071660.stm

a large % waiting over 6mnths for a damn surgery? BBC, does it get much more "credible" than them?

Anybody who has seriously put thought into universal healthcare CANNOT be for it. It is a good "theory" but in "theory" so is communism but at the end of the day shit doesn't work like it "should" It might sound great to get everybody healthcare but at the end of the day its a BAD idea because like or not it'll come out of your pocket! At least with this current system we have a CHOICE of if we want it to come out of our pocket or not.

Fuck this war, fuck everything to do with war mongering (defense budget and research) FUCK NASA and FUCK rebuilding other countries.

You want to end starvation and OUR problems? We clearly can't afford to even take care of ourselves so why the hell are we all over the world doing shit that is NONE of our business.

We are NOT a super power, its time for somebody else to bail others out. Our ENTIRE budget and debt is because we don't take care of ourselves first. Don't think for 1 second we'd have ANY debt if it weren't for insane amounts of spending on defense and invasion forces.

Time to say no to big oil and get me my damn ALTERNATIVE energy!

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marketsmart

yes, but you and i both know that only a same party pres and same party congress will get anything done..

obama saying only increase taxing over 250k isnt going to solve anything and we both know why he doesnt say tax raise for all people..

but, its better than wanting to give big corp more tax breaks...

and btw, dont call me sherlock, call me hotbutter jungle cakes...

Libertine

While affirmative action might not work, people using it to their advantage might still be very capable. Just like beautiful women and handsome men usually use their looks for advantage.

A friend of mine, a rather pretty girl, got into one of the best universities in the world and got accepted for several high-profile internships. She's definitely intelligent, but by no means a genius. She's successful not just because of her intelligence, but also because she makes the most of her looks, her gender, her background and her social skills.

For Obama, it's pretty much the same. His intelligence, while significant, is only a part of his success. He exploits opportunities when he sees them, whether they be his charisma, his speaking skills, his looks, his background, policies like affirmative action - anything that can help.

That's not a bad thing. If he wouldn't use all his advantages to his benefit, he'd be a fool.

What I dislike about him, though, is what I dislike about contemporary politics on the whole. Style, these days, greatly exceeds substance in importance. The ability to enthuse a crowd is far more important for one's political success than things like knowledge, qualifications and insight.

That's a problem.

While I prefer Obama over McCain, the fact that he's going to be the next American president has very little to do with his qualifications, experience, knowledge, or political record. He's getting the world's top job because he's charismatic.

Think about that for a moment - the person who will be making the most important decisions in the world a few months from now only gets the job because he's able to present himself well.

For me, that's a frightening prospect.

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So then.. waiting longer for some is better then others never recieving at all

Health care should be a human right


on everything else you said... you sound just like Obama lol as if you sent him your ideas

PSSuperstars

I'd just like to say I'm on two nursing message boards right now, reading about their opinions on universial healthcare... and it varies.. but I'd say it's a 65% for and 35% against sorta thing..

The people who are for it.. mention the money they'll get back in their paychecks by not having to pay for insurance any longer... and also money saved when switching hospitals on cobras and the like...

so who knows.
But it's something to definitely take an educated look at .. and not just see redstate, communism when ya think about it.

farkedup

PAY isn't the only thing... WORKLOAD goes up for people like nurses simply because people start going to hospitals for shit they otherwise would have stayed home for. Pay is roughly the same but there's more work to be done.

My wife does traveling nurse jobs because they get paid a LOT better, in universal healthcare plans the party ends for traveling nurses. I LOVE getting paid to move to another state... getting paid $1500/mnth for housing expenses on top of a better hourly wage and pay to travel ROCKS.

Universal Healthcare isn't the real solution. but obviously some changes NEED to be made, I just don't think its good for the country to go with universal healthcare. I believe it will only benefit the poor while making things WORSE for the MIDDLE class(me?) and upper class(hope to be)

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Libertine

We have universal healthcare here in The Netherlands. Just thought you should know

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PSSuperstars

So you enjoy all that? They gotta get their money somewhere to pay your wifey... and that comes in charging the insurance companies more.. and that comes down to charging us more for our premiums.. so I hope you enjoy that $1500/mon whenever little johnny down the street's mom can't afford to pay her deductible on her insurance.. even though she's working 2 full time jobs...

I just see selfishness.. and inhumane thinking.

And increased workload, really?
really?
She's not going to be able to play sudoku at her desk or text message her girlfriends for an extra 20 mins? Oh poor her.. having to be on her feet all the time for 35+/hr. My heart weeps.

Bah. Bullshit.

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false

Obama will win because his policies are what is best for our country at this time

frightening would be another busg term or a mccain term

Let me ask you a question






Bush has been the president for eight years....

that a lot of expirience

Would you vote for him again ???

just think about it

Produce a valid argument

David!

His wife looks like a horse

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tony286

When my wife had a thyroid problem it was feb, she didnt see the actual doctor until august.
We sat in the hospital after having us sit there for 9 hrs. The doc comes to tell my dad its cancer and it looks bad.Then in the same breath says it can take 2 weeks to a month to see the specialist.
My mother who works for a big fish in the atl medical industry and called in favors for him. Then he saw a the specialist the next day.
They gave him 3 to 6 months now he is going strong almost a year and half now but he owes that time to my mother who has been a pit bull for him. If he didnt have a wife with the connections she has and the ability to get in peoples faces.He would of been screwed.
This is all with medical insurance isnt it great.

farkedup

If you are dieing hospitals cannot refuse you. BUT like I've said several times now its the people for totally non essential reasons clogging up the healthcare that is the problem. My sister takes her kids to the DR all the time for the dumbest reasons and tons of others do. My sisters kids have medicaid...

read above, I've SKIPPED going to the hospital at times when nearly anybody would have gone... I've given MYSELF stitches 3 different times, I had a SKULL fracture and heavy blood loss a few months back... never went to the hospital... WHY? I DIDN"T NEED TO!

don't be whiny bitches about shit! People lived just fine long before hospitals! I am all for letting EVERYBODY get covered for life and death shit BUT universal healthcare will cover EVERYTHING which causes people to go to the hospital FOR EVERYTHING

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PSSuperstars

It is a difference of generation and age too.. and what we were brainwashed to believe as children.. and what we weren't....

There truly are heartless, cold, people who believe that capitalism is king and people can make themselves better if they choose to and all this... and I teeter on this. I come from WV... where idiot rednecks ride the state welfare system like a donkey... that's tragic.. but I've also seen single moms working 3 jobs and getting no where.. paying taxes.. children not getting healthcare because she makes just a tad too much for the state welfare healthcare..

I've seen old people not get cancer treated.
I've seen sheriff's deputies who worked for the sheriff's dept suddenly evaluated and downsized after a heart attack that required alot of follow up care at the hospital.. (increased insurance)...

I don't want that anymore.. and if it means I"ve gotta pay higher taxes for a more humane nation.. so be it.

Some people just weren't raised to give a damn about others... there's a coldness in them. Oh well. Ya can't change people.

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I think she is beautiful and smart

beauty is in the eye of the beholder

Do you have any positions regarding america to talk about??

farkedup

but think about it this way.... The US can't run anything well so as soon as we switch we'll be twice as bad as the UK, mark my words

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PSSuperstars

Ooh how impressive that you forego going to the hospital.. Mr. Big Man.. So so so so so impressive... I'm sure everyone on GFY thinks you're REALLLLLY tough hot shit. I'm talking Kimbo Slice pre-the-last-fight toughness motherfucker. Kinda makes my panties wet to read that you gave yourself stitches.
Geez.
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so really... your issue is with medical care in general

not obama

i understand

Libertine

If you honestly believe that, you're an idiot.

Clinton's proposed policies were virtually identical to Obama's, only with a better healthcare plan. By your reasoning, then, she would have won.

My argument is valid. You're simply to dull to understand it. I'm not arguing that a single quality should be the only deciding factor. That would be a ridiculous, untenable position.

Record, proposed policies, experience, qualifications - all should matter.

In the case of Bush, if he were to run again, his record and (most likely) proposed policies would clearly disqualify him. In the case of McCain, his proposed policies disqualify him.

My objection to Obama is not that there is a single all-important criterium which he doesn't pass. My objection is that out of the many criteria that matter, there are several which he simply does not meet.

Putting it in terms which you might just understand: Bush is a basketball player who is 8 feet tall and a cripple. McCain is a basketball player who is 7 feet tall and blind. Obama is a basketball player who is 10 years old, 5 feet tall, and both skilled and agile. Most likely, though, he still needs some time to grow before he'll be able to perform well in the NBA.

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baddog

How many of them have an obesity epidemic?

Libertine

By now, most of them.

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baddog

Well jungle cakes (excuse the informality) it is my understanding that it wasn't really about more tax breaks as much as it was keeping the current temporary ones.

I am not an economist, but it seems logical that there should be tax breaks after a certain point to encourage reinvestment. Everyone whines about oil making huge profits, but it seems their ROI is about the same as a nice money market.

Oh, I also think it is ridiculous to give these chump tax rebates. $200 a person can be put to better use.

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Post a valid argument ... say something that makes sense

your ramplings are hard to decipher and you just invaildate everything you say by talking in circles


Did you graduate from highschool?

middle school

get a grip fella... the whole board is watching

Libertine

Either that, or you're borderline illiterate.

I think I'm going with the latter on this one.

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baddog

and you think national healthcare is going to decrease these waits? Really?

tony286

no but not paying out the ass and having to wait makes it easier.

Rorschach

To quote the redneck I heard interviewed on the BBC last night: "He's a muslim and an a-rab. His grandaddy was a muslim, so that makes him one... Us white folk are the domineering race in this country, and it just ain't right for a black man to try and lead good white folk."

TheDoc

Nurses often have no clue what they are talking about... I know several myself, and all are about as dumb as rocks on this subject. Happens because Doctors are afraid of being capped. Yep, that has to happen if you regulate the insurance companies....

Crazy to think these people are here help the people, but demand so much money. Makes lawsuits understandable when the Doctors actually don't care.


- This isn't a health plan, it's a opt in gov plan, exactly like they have now. So you can have insurance, and this, or not insurance and this only. IE: Opt in.

- Preventative care is what he is going for. IE: Far less waiting

- He is talking about more quick care stations too, like broken arms, colds, jobs for nurses. Again, we are talking about the already active Gov medical system that has these procedures.

- Right now people bring in family/kids because we have no preventative care and total crap quick care system. Basically, Doctors tell you to goto the ER for everything, so blame them.

- We are a free market or we are socialists. If you choose an insurance policy, your pills/prices may be higher. If you go with the socialist gov, they set the prices on what they will pay. Again, why the insurance they have is so good.

- Yours and my Tax dollars already pays for health care for the gov, military, poor, illegals, visitors, and vets. Why not include your family and kids, if you choose to use it?

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marketsmart

to me, its more about appeasing the voters, not about what will actually be done..

the problem is, realistically we (the US) cant afford to keep current tax breaks or lower taxes for any bracket..

big oil is making huge profits because they have done very little re investment.. is it their fault that they want to make a huge profit? no, its called capitalism and thats the great thing america was built on.. allow me to make as much as i can make.. i agree with that..

however, giving large corporations big tax breaks on top of the breaks they are already getting by outsourcing jobs overseas is not acceptable.. if you want to save money by shipping jobs overseas to countries that have cheap labor, save money by not having environmental laws, or have cheap raw materials, then that company needs to pay higher import taxes..

we are entering a time when everyone is going to need to pitch in to help the US recover, but that doesnt mean that taxpayers should have to pay for corp americas greed and fuckups..

honestly, i dont know what the answer is, but we def need to demand massive change regardless if you are voting for repub or dem...

marketsmart

QUOTE=farkedup;14885839]If you are dieing hospitals cannot refuse you. BUT like I've said several times now its the people for totally non essential reasons clogging up the healthcare that is the problem. My sister takes her kids to the DR all the time for the dumbest reasons and tons of others do. My sisters kids have medicaid...

POOR PEOPLE GO TO THE E.R. NOW FOR EVERYTHING. THEY DON'T CARE, THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF PAYING FOR CARE ANYWAY..

read above, I've SKIPPED going to the hospital at times when nearly anybody would have gone... I've given MYSELF stitches 3 different times, I had a SKULL fracture and heavy blood loss a few months back... never went to the hospital... WHY? I DIDN"T NEED TO!

THEN YOU ARE STUPID FOR NOT HAVING HEALTH INSURANCE. AND IF YOU DID HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE, THEN YOU ARE STUPID FOR NOT GOING.

I WAS IN AN ATV ACCIDENT 2 YEARS AGO. I HAD A HEAD INJURY AND IF I DIDNT GO TO THE E.R. AND HAVE A C.T. SCAN, WHO KNOWS WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO ME. I COULD HAVE BLOWN IT OFF AND HAD PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE. HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD HAVE COST? NOT JUST IN MEDICAL CARE, BUT SOCIAL SECURITY OR WELFARE AFTER MY DISABILITY INSURANCE RAN OUT?

don't be whiny bitches about shit! People lived just fine long before hospitals! I am all for letting EVERYBODY get covered for life and death shit BUT universal healthcare will cover EVERYTHING which causes people to go to the hospital FOR EVERYTHING

THIS IS THE 21ST CENTURY AND EVERY AMERICAN DESERVES HEALTHCARE. WILL PEOPLE ABUSE THE SYSTEM? OF COURSE THEY WILL, JUST LIKE THEY DO NOW... THE QUESTION IS, DOES THE GOOD OUTWEIGH THE BAD?[/QUOTE]