mmcfadden

Would like to get back to Obama opinions for a quick second.

I read alot of articles, News, and some boards pro Obama and not. Here's my fucking problem...

Obama's wife publicly stating "This is the first time I'm proud to be an American"... meaning her husband is now a canditate. Freudian slip in my opinion... this is our potential first lady. I don't see too much talk about this one and think it should be reiterated.

Let alone Obamas' credentials, shady affiliations, 95% population will get tax cuts (bullshit... credits aka welfare), the squeeze on entrepenuers (btw... these are the people who stimulate the economy with jobs)... it just goes on and on.

brassmonkey

already voted early ballot OBAMA '08

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tony286

Where do you read about him, right wing talking points?

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE

I already voted as well

and I voted Obama because he is the best man for the job


and I love my country to much to see it go down the toilet


so ask yourself this...

What is stronger... your hatred of Obama or your love for your country

If you love America.....and want to see her recover and prosper


Vote Obama 08

mmcfadden

There is not hatred...
The main body of my post talks about his wife... WTF. I love this country and a potential first lady who can finally say she is proud is really fucked up.

evildick

She was most likely taking a jab at Bush, meaning she was not proud of the direction he took the country over the last 8 years.

Not the wisest thing to say, but I think it is clear what she meant.

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE

Good thing most anti obama people are extreme retards lmao

carry on

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"People in this country are ready for change and hungry for a different kind of politics and ... for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback."

She didn't just graduate highschool

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/02...he-first-time/

ninavain

Voting OBAMA in Vegas OCT 16th

mmcfadden

wow... not one post to enlighten the reasoning behind an Obama vote

NaughtyVisions

Might I suggest checking out this thread?

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/861327-vote-banning-dumb-fucks.html

Some folks here apparantly don't understand what a thread topic is, or the must have gotten your topic confused with the other thread.

marketsmart

you ever see a black guy get into a fight with a white guy?

all the blacks jump in...

i dont want to be on the wrong side of that, so i voted obama...

DBS.US

They are both just puppets for the New World Order

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NaughtyVisions

Why the fuck does everyone keep talking about wrestling?

KillerK

hahahahahahah... so true

kane

For me the choice is pretty simple.

Obama offers a different voice. Bush and the republicans have held the white house for the last 8 years and have had both houses of congress for 6 of those years and 10 of the last 12 years. After all that time they haven't seemed to have done much other than get us in a war we shouldn't be in, shoot the deficit through the roof, destroy the economy (I know they are not the only ones to blame, but when the team doesn't play well you fire the coach) and greatly divide this country.

I'm ready to go down a different path. To me McCain is a terrible manager. He has revamped his campaign staff 2 or 3 times just in the last 6 months and constantly seems to pick people who are not right for the job. Then he picks Palin who, frankly, scares the shit out of me. He clearly doesn't lead well and seems to make rash, hail mary pass type decisions. McCain has also done 180 from the guy he was just 4-5 years ago and that also troubles me.

On the contrary Obama has run a great campaign and has seemed to lead his group well. To me being president is all about surrounding yourself with good people, managing them well and using their input to make decisions. Obama seems to be the better of the two at doing that. I also like the idea that much of the world seems to like Obama. He would instantly have favor with these countries while McCain may have to spend time convincing him that he isn't a Bush clone.

Another reason for me picking Obama is the supreme court. There are 3 judges who are in their 70's now and might be ready to retire. 2 of those 3 are more liberal types and one is a conservative. If all three retire/die/get ill or whatever in the next 4 years and have to be replaced McCain might fill all three seats with very conservative judges and we could see things like Roe V Wade overturned. I prefer my supreme court with a mix of both conservative and liberal judges on the bench and Obama would provide that.

My last reason (at least that I can think of right now at 3am before I head to bed) is that he will have the house and senate controlled by democrats. It is possible that the senate will actually have 60 democrat seats. This means something might actually get done because the democrats would have enough votes to break any filibuster that the republicans might do. I hope they don't use that power to pass too many bad laws and do stupid shit and I'm sure they will do some things I don't agree with but the last 8 years has been one party trying to block the other party and it seems like nothing gets done until there is a crisis.

Anyway, these are some of my reasons.

mmcfadden

Appreciate the response

One "fact" is Obama's relationships. When have we had a President proven to have known relationships with terrorists? then deny (lie) about it.

"Unfortunately for Senator Obama, what might only stink in Chicago - a relationship with an ex-terrorist who had an authoritarian agenda in mind for Chicago school kids - is far more damaging on the national political scene."

calmlikeabomb

I'm voting Obama, because he isn't a Republican.

Want change? Then why send the same party back into the White House?

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cherrylula

at this point in election dramas, I have decided to vote for Obama almost just because if he wins all the racists in this nation will be exposed... already happening when you see Obama ahead, the racists are coming out all over like crazy.

I am amazed at the people making comments who are insecure about having a "black" President... it really is wild.

escorpio

I'm not voting for Obama because I want a president you can criticize without being labeled a racist.

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Fletch XXX

no you see, the issue at hand is, and this is true, that those of you who are "scared to criticize" Obama because you are afraid of being called a "racist" is because you dont have anything to say other than about his race.

My morning thoughts on Race, Fear, and Obama.

http://www.congratstothewinners.com/...ear-obama.html

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cherrylula

Afraid of being labeled a racist?

Voting by fear?

escorpio

So the only thing anyone could ever criticize Obama about is his race? He's that fucking perfect?

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Fletch XXX

No, but you clearly dont have anything else to criticize him about, other than race, becuase if you did how could you be called a racist if you criticize his taxes plan? You wouldnt be, but the "afraid of being called a racist" emotion comes from within you, because you have nothing else to lean on. No real questions to ask about Obama, just fear, fear, fear. fear of being a racist, maybe its because YOU ARE ONE. LOL

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jovance

Don't plan to vote for Obama

escorpio

You can be called a racist for criticizing anything about Obama. You will be called a racist if you say you are not voting for him. Where the fuck have you been? And obviously I have no fear of being called a racist or I wouldn't be posting. Nice try at playing the card, though.

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Redmanthatcould

Personally, I hate all the weight given to any slips of the tongue. None of us know how it feels like to be sound bytes, and always have everything we say scrutinized. I am sure you know what she meant, but if you are on the other side of the fence, you will interpret it the way it helps you.

Just like Obama saying we have 57 states by mistake - do you really think a man as intelligent as he is really thinks that?

Or McCain saying he won't meet with the President of Spain?

At the end of the day, we all seem to think that just because these people are political figures, means they lose their "people" category. Humans make mistakes.

And f saying dumbass things was enough to keep people out of office, how did Bush get elected and then re-elected? I mean, if there is enough material to fill three fucking books, you figure he'd at least be kicked out of office by now:

http://www.amazon.com/George-W-Bushi.../dp/0743222229
http://www.amazon.com/More-George-Bu...d_bxgy_b_img_b
http://www.amazon.com/George-W-Bushi...d_bxgy_b_img_c

DaddyHalbucks

I wouldn't.

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nation-x

Umm... I hate to break this to you... but every part of that smear has been proven false.

SEE DETAILS: https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/861326-mccain-lied-ayers-scathing-indictment-malicious-intent.html

Redmanthatcould

When has Obama pulled the race card? Maybe I did not see/hear it because I don't own a TV, but I'd love to be linked to an article or video where he is using the race card.

Certainly, if he wanted to, the last debate gave him two separate possibilities of using the race card...1.) When McCain called him "that one"; 2.) When McCain told the only black guy in the audience that he probably has never heard of Fanny Mae or Freddie Mac

And to be perfectly clear - there are lots of people that are not voting for him because he is half black. But when he gets into office, I see him doing more good for those people than McCain could do in 20 years of office.

To answer the OP -

One word - Palin. Putting all my other reasons aside, I stopped trusting McCain's judgment when he picked Palin as his running mate. Whatever he, or the Republicans, want to say, we all know in our heart of hearts that he picked her for votes, and not for anything else. Had he picked a legitimate VP / successor, my vote wouldn't have been swayed so quickly. I mean, it's not like being the VP means you call a lot of shots...but she'll be calling enough that it scares the hell out of me what some of the shit she has on her agenda will do to the country. Maybe if McCain would address "the Palin question", and tell us exactly what she will be doing, and how/why she is capable of doing that/those things, I'd feel a little more comfortable with it.

And secondly - God forbid McCain gets elected and has some health complications, and that no-nothing, hockey mom is put in charge of our country. There is no denying McCain is an old man -he'll be 73 next year. Most 73 year olds that I come into contact with are barely capable of pissing on their own, let alone leading the most powerful nation in the world out of economic and social despair. So I definitely give McCain tons of credit, and pay him great honor that he is as capable as he is, but look at pictures of Bush in 2000 vs. today. Or Clinton before he assumed office, and after. T he office of the president ages you a ton, and puts all kinds of mental and physical strain on your body. I just don't have faith in McCain being able to hold up the entire term.

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mmcfadden

I hear what your saying and people make mistakes. What she meant was certainly to help her husband get elected and wouldn't have used those words looking back.
The problem is she did say it and it stemmed from somewhere. She graduated highschool in 1982 I think... that's 26 years as an adult. It's a red flag.

I'm not harping on the slip of the number of states, or Obama calling John... Jim during the debate and a slew of others by both candidates.

uno

Bush's family has many business ties with the Bin Laden family.

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tony286

Its more fun to believe that right wing bullshit. lol Also if this was such a big issue for the country why didnt Johnny bring it up only after he was losing?

Morient

douche bag and a shit sanwich... again!

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kane

The way I understand it is that he his relationship with this guy is pretty minimal. They served on a board together and had some other crossings because they are/were both politically active in Chicago.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ill_ayers.html

Factcheck seems to say that McCain and Palin's attacks are pretty much baseless. Did he know this guy? Sure. Did they "pal around" or were they "friends" no. Does he support this guy? No. So in short I would say I am much less worried about his "relationship" with this guy that I am with say Bush's family relationships with the leaders of Saudi Arabia.

mmcfadden

SEAN HANNITY, OF HANNITY & COLMES ~ FOX NEWS, IS GOING TO AIR A VERY IMPORTANT DOCUMENTARY ABOUT BARACK
OBAMA, SUNDAY NIGHT AT 9:00 PM EST. HE STATED ON THE AIR THIS EVENING THAT NO ONE IN THE NEWS MEDIA WAS WILLING TO DO THIS. HANNITY IS GOING BACK TO OBAMA'S EARLIER DAYS, SHOWING EVEN THEN HIS TIES TO RADICAL PROFESSORS, FRIENDS, SPIRITUAL ADVISERS, Etc., HE STATED THIS EVENING THAT HE WILL SHOW IN DETAIL HIS TIES TO REV. WRIGHT FOR 20+ YRS (which we
all know) HOW HE WAS PARTICIPATING WITH THIS MAN, AND NOT FOR THE REASONS HE STATES! HE HAS UNCOVERED MORE OF OBAMA'S RADICAL LEADERS AND WE WILL SEE THINGS THAT NO ONE IN THE MEDIA IS WILLING TO PUT OUT THERE. THIS WILL BE A NIGHT THAT YOU WILL KNOW MORE ABOUT OBAMA THAN EVER BEFORE. HANNITY IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND ASKED THAT EVERYONE PLEASE, PLEASE WATCH~~ SUNDAY NIGHT, 9 PM. HANNITY IS DETERMINED THIS INFORMATION BE PUT OUT THERE BECAUSE AS AMERICANS, WE STILL DO NOT KNOW ABOUT OBAMA!! WAKE UP AMERICA!! THIS IS SERIOUS,EVERYONE. I KNOW MOST OF YOU WATCH FOX NEWS, AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE VOTING FOR, BUT IF YOU CAN, PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW. THIS IS CRITICAL FOR OUR COUNTRY.

RP Fade

Dude you're entitled to your opinions, social views, racial biases and political partisanship but this 'conspiracy theory' is just ridiculous and the stupidest thing I've heard of my whole life. You seriously think that Obama simply slipped under the radar his entire life and continued to do so while he was in senate and now has everyone fooled running for president? You think the FBI, CIA, and all other investigative and vetting agencies/individuals simply overlooked all this and or are in on it? I mean you go thru a complete and thorough background check when you apply to a police department or FBI. What do you think Senators and politicians go thru let alone someone running for the most powerful position in the world. I have friends applying for citizenship and they even knew about their traffic tickets in Europe..

I understand that as a republican, you're jumping on the bandwagon and this seems like all the strategy the Reps have left to change the momentum, because everything else is just not working. But what gets me is do you even think about what you're saying? Blind partisanship without thinking for yourself whether you're a Dem or Rep is just stupid. That's like watching a bunch of your friends jumping off a roof and you're just following them blindly because they're doing it.

Blind partisanship simply does not work and does not do anyone any justice, which is why I'm independent..

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aico

who cares what his wife said or says, and I personally don't see anything wrong with what she said in the first place. I am an American and I think it's one of the most pathetic countries on the planet, what have we done to be so proud of? We stole the land live on, we meddle in other people business, we're mostly fat, and pretty under educated, extremely lazy, we go into other countries and kill them for no reason what so ever, I could go on and on. USA! USA! USA!

aico

Too bad no one with half a brain watches Fox news... they're just preachin' to the choir.

robfantasy

u are wrong about this, that is what is so outrageous about this whole situation

obama couldnt pass a security clearance to be in the FBI or to even be in secret service to protect the president.

the candidate is just a tool for the party to get in power.

obama hasnt even come up with a valid birth certificate to prove he was born in this country and that disqualifies him alone.

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things are so fucked up right now its beyond belief.

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NaughtyVisions

What? I couldn't hear you. Could you speak up a bit?

mmcfadden

2 hours till this one. Knowledge can fuel decisions

Poindexterity

because you either,
a- dig the fisa bill
or
b- didn't hear about it

Drake

Because half the stuff being said about him by McCain/Palin/Surrogates/supporters are ridiculously outrageous and verifiably false. eg. half the claims in this thread have been debunked a gazillion times already

Because McCain demonstrated his judgement by choosing Palin as a running mate. It's shortsighted and dangerous. While Obama is far from ideal, Palin is an utter trainwreck.

Because Obama at least has the edge of being a symbolic gesture. No matter who wins, we're going to stay in the middle east. Taxes are going up no matter what eventually. Whoever gets in is going to be highly constrained because there is no money to fund projects they're proposing.

Drake

Give me a break.

Just shy away from calling him a Muslim or terrorist and you should be ok. Policy is and has always been fair game.

NaughtyVisions

So is tonight's Hannity special going to be anything like that "ground-breaking" report he did called "'Obama and Friends: The History of Radicalism?"

You know, the one that garnered such "high praise" from other media outlets, such as this article in the LA Times:

Fox News' faux documentary sets new low

Here's some nice excerpts from that article:

Even by the low standards of this election's advocacy journalism, the program plumbed new depths -- relying on innuendo and guilt by association to paint the Illinois senator as a dupe of the shadowy forces of the left.

Much of Hannity's report was based on interviews with half a dozen partisan commentators, whose main qualification seems to have been a previously expressed disdain for Obama.

In reference to his claim that a "community organizer, in Barack Obama's case, was somebody that was in training for a radical overthrow of the government," Andrew Martin said this:

"I do involve with the facts," he began, "but when the facts aren't all there, and the perpetrator has concealed all the facts and is basically refusing to testify, you are allowed to draw an adverse inference."

It sounds to me as if he's saying: When you can't prove something, you're allowed to make stuff up."

Gee, I hope tonight's program is as enlightening!

mmcfadden

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