Would you rather get a no shave $25 per join or a sliced and diced $35+ - GoFuckYourself.com

Pornwolf · 08-09-2007, 08:58 PM

The average revenue per join has decreased over the past several years...

Pop up income has decreased as well...

Processors scrub harder than ever...

But the amount of money paid per join has stayed the same.

Somebody is getting the short end of the stick.

Hmm...

Spunky · 08-09-2007, 08:59 PM

Perhaps it's time to look around?

luv$ · 08-09-2007, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

The average revenue per join has decreased over the past several years...

Pop up income has decreased as well...

Processors scrub harder than ever...

But the amount of money paid per join has stayed the same.

Somebody is getting the short end of the stick.

Hmm...

hey man OT but your site is having a db prob.

Offhand too, think maybe we can chat up sometimes on about you sending some of your succulent traffic my prog's way?

Pornwolf · 08-09-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by luv$

hey man OT but your site is having a db prob.

Offhand too, think maybe we can chat up sometimes on about you sending some of your succulent traffic my prog's way?

That sites not even close to ready yet. I think I will rev up ABP and put a temp blog up now that you mentioned it.

You have a nice looking Lesbo site so I'm sure we can talk in the coming weeks.

seeric · 08-09-2007, 10:42 PM

i'm tossing around offering a 25 pps on the new shanes world online. i think people need to stay realistic now a days with some of the factors that you listed being the culprits.

cashbot · 08-09-2007, 10:49 PM

I'd take whichever paid the most for my traffic at the end of the pay period... An honest $25 is no better than a shaved $35 if the $25 offer converts like shit...

seeric · 08-09-2007, 10:51 PM

another one is consumers are much much smarter and know how to cancel right away, which def limits those rebills that used to be soooooo much higher. if you can't keep those customers those 60 dollar payouts will put you out quick.

some people are ok with fucking the surfer to get back the money the program just paid out to the affiliate for that customer, but if you're in it for the long run you'd better know up from down. those days of 3 or more prechecks and banging peoples cards to death are over. consumers know how to fuck you back now a days.

KrisKross · 08-09-2007, 10:54 PM

I'd prefer whichever one put more in my pocket at the end of the day.

datatank · 08-09-2007, 10:54 PM

two words

merchant account

VIPimp · 08-09-2007, 11:00 PM

If you chose the first option of $25... see sig...

D · 08-10-2007, 01:10 AM

That's kinda insulting.

We're at $30-$35 PPS... and wouldn't dream of shaving.

We just happen to have confidence in our ability to retain.

If people want the quick money, they're welcome to it, ya know.

beemk · 08-10-2007, 01:13 AM

its all about how much $ i get for X amount of traffic. i dont care about the # of joins or the $ per join, i just want the most $ overall.

beemk · 08-10-2007, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by D

That's kinda insulting.

you should only be insulted if you shave.

Pornwolf · 08-10-2007, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by D

That's kinda insulting.

We're at $30-$35 PPS... and wouldn't dream of shaving.

We just happen to have confidence in our ability to retain.

If people want the quick money, they're welcome to it, ya know.

D, you also have a bottomless supply of exclusive big cock interracial content with the biggest cock in the business!

So, yeah, I think you may be exempt from the blanket statement.

But unfortunately, there's waaay more programs that are paying the higher payouts and shaving than there are programs that aren't.

Pornwolf · 08-10-2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by beemk

its all about how much $ i get for X amount of traffic. i dont care about the # of joins or the $ per join, i just want the most $ overall.

Of course, and I really want to nip this in the bud before 7 more people give this standard answer.

High payouts from programs that shave are only artificially high because that's what attracts webmasters who don't know any better.

At the end of the day, those $40 pps sites are still only paying out $15-$25 a join if you factor in the joins or clicks that magically dissappear.

A bad converting program doesn't pay. That's a given.

But all things being equal wouldn't you rather promote a company that you know is going to give you $25 or $30 bucks a signup rain or shine instead of one that says they are giving you $35-$60 but they are shaving clicks in a way that really gives you $15 one month and $25 the next?

D · 08-10-2007, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf

D, you also have a bottomless supply of exclusive big cock interracial content with the biggest cock in the business!

So, yeah, I think you may be exempt from the blanket statement.

Yo do have a point there...

Still, why the hell would people do business with people when they feel they're being stolen from?

That's never made sense to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by beemk

you should only be insulted if you shave.

With all the drama, today's had its share of stupidity...

But that's probably the stupidest thing I've heard all day.

cashbot · 08-10-2007, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf

But all things being equal wouldn't you rather promote a company that you know is going to give you $25 or $30 bucks a signup rain or shine instead of one that says they are giving you $35-$60 but they are shaving clicks in a way that really gives you $15 one month and $25 the next?

You have no way of knowing who shaves and who doesn't so all you can do is send the traffic and track the results... A $25 startup proggy is no less likely to shave than a $35 high volume proggy...

Pornwolf · 08-10-2007, 01:42 AM

As you get older you get a better idea of how to spot a chick that knows how to fuck. It's a natural ability that just develops with time. Sometimes you are surprised but by and large you just know.

Same goes for spotting programs that are shaving... or even might shave... vs ones that don't. The longer you stay in the game the more you know.

There are a couple of large programs that don't but some should be fucking ashamed.

CyberHustler · 08-10-2007, 01:44 AM

Fuck shaving... I want my god damn money!

ADL Josh · 08-10-2007, 07:25 AM

HOW ABOUT A NO-SHAVED $42 PER JOIN!!

....sorry i had to

Dollarmansteve · 08-10-2007, 07:42 AM

What a great marketing ploy that would be - lower your payouts to $25 and say "hey we don't shave" when you weren't even shaving at $35. So the affilaite just gets screwed out of $10 a join and that is pure cheddar to the affiliate program - but you sold it as 'honesty'.

hahahahahahaa

Theo · 08-10-2007, 07:57 AM

Dollarmansteve, i have an open invitation to PPS programs regarding shaving. You may want to take the challenge for the aff.program you work?

Legally authorise me to use some of our employees and companies to do test signups on various accounts over a timeframe of 3 to 4 months, record results and make them publicly accesible afterwards. I'll refund any money involved on this.

for the record I've posted this challenge here a couple of times, no PPS program has accepted it so far.

Theo · 08-10-2007, 07:58 AM

We can agree on the terms, procedure and auditing part. My email is on my signature.

Dollarmansteve · 08-10-2007, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

Dollarmansteve, i have an open invitation to PPS programs regarding shaving. You may want to take the challenge for the aff.program you work?

Legally authorise me to use some of our employees and companies to do test signups on various accounts over a timeframe of 3 to 4 months, record results and make them publicly accesible afterwards. I'll refund any money involved on this.

for the record I've posted this challenge here a couple of times, no PPS program has accepted it so far.

There's no challenge to accept. Besides being a publicity stunt there's no reason why any sponsor program would 'accept your challenge'.

If anyone wanted to 'prove shaving' they could go ahead and do it without the involvement of the affilaite program.

damage · 08-10-2007, 08:05 AM

i think, that sponsors shave and with $25 for sale too

SykkBoy · 08-10-2007, 08:30 AM

a lower payout doesn't automatically mean "honesty"

Dollarmansteve · 08-10-2007, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

The average revenue per join has decreased over the past several years...

Pop up income has decreased as well...

Processors scrub harder than ever...

But the amount of money paid per join has stayed the same.

Somebody is getting the short end of the stick.

Hmm...

a) I would say that average revenue per join has been stable over the past several years. I suspect that programs who relied on memberships longer than 3 months to make money are the ones who are noticing a change..

b) We made more money from exit traffic in the past 12 months than ever.

c) I would agree with this statement

d) I would say that many programs are charging monthly rates that are way too low, 24.95 - 29.95, when $39.95 has been a historically profitable price point while still providing value to the surfer and having little affect on conversions when used in an aggressive low dollar trial membership model.

If any PPS program would have to resort to shaving it is only because they are unable to properly monetize their traffic.

Shaving is the stupid person's solution to mismanagement of traffic and signups. Any company with any clue what they're doing can profitably pay $35 per join.

Flynn · 08-10-2007, 09:12 AM

We pay $35 tiered to $50. We can do this without shaving because we know average members will spend 10x more than what we payout. These days it's all about conversion. If you shave you are lowering your conversion and you will lose your webmasters to the next guy.

beemk · 08-10-2007, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Of course, and I really want to nip this in the bud before 7 more people give this standard answer.

High payouts from programs that shave are only artificially high because that's what attracts webmasters who don't know any better.

At the end of the day, those $40 pps sites are still only paying out $15-$25 a join if you factor in the joins or clicks that magically dissappear.

A bad converting program doesn't pay. That's a given.

But all things being equal wouldn't you rather promote a company that you know is going to give you $25 or $30 bucks a signup rain or shine instead of one that says they are giving you $35-$60 but they are shaving clicks in a way that really gives you $15 one month and $25 the next?

i guess it really doesnt matter to me then. i usually know how much $ i should make off so much traffic. i usually will send to both sponsors but send more to whatever sponsor can make me more $. the only ones i truely trust for not shaving is the ccbill only sponsors. i only have a few really good sites i promote thru it.

maxjohan · 08-10-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cashbot

I'd take whichever paid the most for my traffic at the end of the pay period... An honest $25 is no better than a shaved $35 if the $25 offer converts like shit...

Me sleeps better if i know they are honest $25 instead of worrying when the plug is going away.

View Poll Results: Do you want an honest $25 or a dull razor shaved $35+?
No shave $25	16	84.21%
Shaved $35 for me please	2	10.53%
Sponsors don't shave	1	5.26%
Voters: 19. You may not vote on this poll

08-09-2007, 08:58 PM	#1
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Would you rather get a no shave $25 per join or a sliced and diced $35+ The average revenue per join has decreased over the past several years... Pop up income has decreased as well... Processors scrub harder than ever... But the amount of money paid per join has stayed the same. Somebody is getting the short end of the stick. Hmm... __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

08-09-2007, 08:59 PM	#2
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,940	Perhaps it's time to look around? __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

08-09-2007, 10:54 PM	#8
KrisKross Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 5,024	I'd prefer whichever one put more in my pocket at the end of the day. __________________

08-10-2007, 01:10 AM	#11
D Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Valley Posts: 7,412	That's kinda insulting. We're at $30-$35 PPS... and wouldn't dream of shaving. We just happen to have confidence in our ability to retain. If people want the quick money, they're welcome to it, ya know. __________________ -D. ICQ: 202-96-31

08-09-2007, 10:42 PM	#5
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	i'm tossing around offering a 25 pps on the new shanes world online. i think people need to stay realistic now a days with some of the factors that you listed being the culprits.

08-09-2007, 10:49 PM	#6
cashbot So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 325	I'd take whichever paid the most for my traffic at the end of the pay period... An honest $25 is no better than a shaved $35 if the $25 offer converts like shit...

08-09-2007, 10:51 PM	#7
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	another one is consumers are much much smarter and know how to cancel right away, which def limits those rebills that used to be soooooo much higher. if you can't keep those customers those 60 dollar payouts will put you out quick. some people are ok with fucking the surfer to get back the money the program just paid out to the affiliate for that customer, but if you're in it for the long run you'd better know up from down. those days of 3 or more prechecks and banging peoples cards to death are over. consumers know how to fuck you back now a days.

08-09-2007, 10:54 PM	#9
datatank Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: My dog is blacker than Tupac Posts: 5,471	two words merchant account

08-09-2007, 11:00 PM	#10
VIPimp Marina WILL have my babies! Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9,234	If you chose the first option of $25... see sig...

08-10-2007, 01:13 AM	#12
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	its all about how much $ i get for X amount of traffic. i dont care about the # of joins or the $ per join, i just want the most $ overall. __________________ I host with Vacares

08-10-2007, 01:42 AM	#18
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	As you get older you get a better idea of how to spot a chick that knows how to fuck. It's a natural ability that just develops with time. Sometimes you are surprised but by and large you just know. Same goes for spotting programs that are shaving... or even might shave... vs ones that don't. The longer you stay in the game the more you know. There are a couple of large programs that don't but some should be fucking ashamed. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

08-10-2007, 01:44 AM	#19
CyberHustler So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 26,062	Fuck shaving... I want my god damn money!

08-10-2007, 07:25 AM	#20
ADL Josh Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3,026	HOW ABOUT A NO-SHAVED $42 PER JOIN!! ....sorry i had to __________________ ICQ: 395-433-632

08-10-2007, 07:42 AM	#21
Dollarmansteve Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: T.O. Posts: 2,849	What a great marketing ploy that would be - lower your payouts to $25 and say "hey we don't shave" when you weren't even shaving at $35. So the affilaite just gets screwed out of $10 a join and that is pure cheddar to the affiliate program - but you sold it as 'honesty'. hahahahahahaa __________________ I died.

08-10-2007, 07:57 AM	#22
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Dollarmansteve, i have an open invitation to PPS programs regarding shaving. You may want to take the challenge for the aff.program you work? Legally authorise me to use some of our employees and companies to do test signups on various accounts over a timeframe of 3 to 4 months, record results and make them publicly accesible afterwards. I'll refund any money involved on this. for the record I've posted this challenge here a couple of times, no PPS program has accepted it so far.

08-10-2007, 07:58 AM	#23
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	We can agree on the terms, procedure and auditing part. My email is on my signature.

08-10-2007, 08:05 AM	#25
damage Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 256	i think, that sponsors shave and with $25 for sale too __________________ TubeWizardPro: A Revolutionary Way to Build CJ and Tube Sites

08-10-2007, 08:30 AM	#26
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	a lower payout doesn't automatically mean "honesty" __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

08-10-2007, 09:12 AM	#28
Flynn pr0's goat screwed me Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,083	We pay $35 tiered to $50. We can do this without shaving because we know average members will spend 10x more than what we payout. These days it's all about conversion. If you shave you are lowering your conversion and you will lose your webmasters to the next guy. __________________ blah blah blah