Do You Know What Happens When You Outsource???

[Shaze]

Your creating more competition in the adult industry. You outsource your grunt work to third world countries and they learn the ins and outs of how the adult biz works and see they can make more money by doing it themselves than working as an outsourced employee.

[GrouchyAdmin]

So, in other words, you are thwarting communism?

[Nookster]

I have to totally agree with Shaze on this one.

[thedailyxxx]

What do you mean by the term outsourcing?

[Shaze]

Originally Posted by toonpornblog

So, in other words, you are thwarting communism?

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[chupachups]

Not true really.... but I am going to bed now...

[Shaze]

Originally Posted by chupachups

Not true really.... but I am going to bed now...

ever since all these outsourcing companies opened up in the Philippines there are so many Filipino/Filipina adult webmasters now
nothing against them, just an observation..

just one example....

[chupachups]

Originally Posted by Shaze

ever since all these outsourcing companies opened up in the Philippines there are so many Filipino/Filipina adult webmasters now
nothing against them, just an observation..

just one example....

Going to bed Well just apply this to history and some economics. You have to realize that outsourced employees are mainly labor, like industrial workers kind of.

[flashfreak]

the strong will survive...

pussies can go to McDonalds

[Holly]

Yes, I know.

I watched the guy go to the call center in India on 30 Days with Morgan Spurlock.

[XLCowBoy]

Errrmmm... not exactly...

One thing you have to keep in mind is that it's illegal to host adult content in the Philippines. It's also illegal to promote, and shoot adult content as well.

Some Filipino webmasters get away with this because they are able to afford a VPN, and what shows up is a US-based IP address.

I could actually open up a pandora's box and tell all of you what REALLY goes on behind the scenes at outsourcing companies. Trust me when I say that there is not one single honest outsourcing company out there at the moment. I personally know guys who are working (or used to work) at pretty much every Philippine adult outsourcing company there is, and in one sentence, I can honestly tell you...

That whole employee skill levels thing that they base their prices on? It's all bull.

But I'm sure most of you already knew that.

[tenderobject]

Originally Posted by Shaze

ever since all these outsourcing companies opened up in the Philippines there are so many Filipino/Filipina adult webmasters now
nothing against them, just an observation..

just one example....

so you scared? lol

[tenderobject]

Originally Posted by XLCowBoy

Errrmmm... not exactly...

One thing you have to keep in mind is that it's illegal to host adult content in the Philippines. It's also illegal to promote, and shoot adult content as well.

Some Filipino webmasters get away with this because they are able to afford a VPN, and what shows up is a US-based IP address.

I could actually open up a pandora's box and tell all of you what REALLY goes on behind the scenes at outsourcing companies. Trust me when I say that there is not one single honest outsourcing company out there at the moment. I personally know guys who are working (or used to work) at pretty much every Philippine adult outsourcing company there is, and in one sentence, I can honestly tell you...

That whole employee skill levels thing that they base their prices on? It's all bull.

But I'm sure most of you already knew that.

uhmmm im not 100% sure about that... there are some honest outsourcing firms in the philippines bro. check out webmasterlabor and such..

[tenderobject]

Originally Posted by XLCowBoy

Errrmmm... not exactly...

One thing you have to keep in mind is that it's illegal to host adult content in the Philippines. It's also illegal to promote, and shoot adult content as well.

Some Filipino webmasters get away with this because they are able to afford a VPN, and what shows up is a US-based IP address.

I could actually open up a pandora's box and tell all of you what REALLY goes on behind the scenes at outsourcing companies. Trust me when I say that there is not one single honest outsourcing company out there at the moment. I personally know guys who are working (or used to work) at pretty much every Philippine adult outsourcing company there is, and in one sentence, I can honestly tell you...

That whole employee skill levels thing that they base their prices on? It's all bull.

But I'm sure most of you already knew that.

uhmmm im not 100% sure about that... there are some honest outsourcing firms in the philippines bro. check out webmasterlabor, iwebmasters and such..

[donross]

Originally Posted by Shaze

Your creating more competition in the adult industry. You outsource your grunt work to third world countries and they learn the ins and outs of how the adult biz works and see they can make more money by doing it themselves than working as an outsourced employee.

this is a proof that 3rd world countries are not dumbs... they have skills and shits... most of all they work cheap... which is most site owners like most.. and indeed, adult sites is prohibited by philippine government... but i know there are still who manage to make a pornsite in that country... but less than a hundred ... so why blame this small countries as a threat??

be quiet and instead be more competitive... hire me and ill do a kick ass trailer for you and your site will sell like hell....

[XLCowBoy]

Originally Posted by tenderobject

uhmmm im not 100% sure about that... there are some honest outsourcing firms in the philippines bro. check out webmasterlabor, iwebmasters and such..

Hmmm... come to think of it, I've yet to hear any complaints about iwebmasters, or webmasterlabor, BUT it's only on this thread that i've heard about them.

So, alright, I'll retract my statement for the time being. I'll say about 95% aren't honest.

[tenderobject]

Originally Posted by donross

this is a proof that 3rd world countries are not dumbs... they have skills and shits... most of all they work cheap... which is most site owners like most.. and indeed, adult sites is prohibited by philippine government... but i know there are still who manage to make a pornsite in that country... but less than a hundred ... so why blame this small countries as a threat??

be quiet and instead be more competitive... hire me and ill do a kick ass trailer for you and your site will sell like hell....

true! doing designs, submitting, grunt work etc etc in this biz makes people webmasters? hehe i don't think so.. webmastering is another step. you need funds and balls to start. especially "TIME"..

[tenderobject]

Originally Posted by XLCowBoy

So, alright, I'll retract my statement for the time being. I'll say about 95% aren't honest.

[scottybuzz]

Originally Posted by toonpornblog

So, in other words, you are thwarting communism?

couldnt have put it any better myself

[fris]

generally outsourching companies are worthless. except iwebmasters, they are cool cats.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by toonpornblog

So, in other words, you are thwarting communism?

good point!

[Trax]

outsourcing saves me a lot of money

[Jinx]

Check sig for an outsourcing option.

[tranza]

I love outsorcing.

[Adult Warden]

I support outsourcing

[XLCowBoy]

To the guys that support/like outsourcing: what do you define as outsourcing/offshoring? Getting per-project stuff done cheap, or actual hiring.

[Greg MissionD]

Originally Posted by Shaze

Your creating more competition in the adult industry. You outsource your grunt work to third world countries and they learn the ins and outs of how the adult biz works and see they can make more money by doing it themselves than working as an outsourced employee.

That is why we have a NON COMPETE with all employees.
It depends with the company that you go with and we take this very very seriously.

[sweetsally]

makes sense

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Shaze

Your creating more competition in the adult industry. You outsource your grunt work to third world countries and they learn the ins and outs of how the adult biz works and see they can make more money by doing it themselves than working as an outsourced employee.

that's okay, I'm getting rich with banking schems I email to the nigerians

[Adult Warden]

Originally Posted by XLCowBoy

To the guys that support/like outsourcing: what do you define as outsourcing/offshoring? Getting per-project stuff done cheap, or actual hiring.

I use AdultWebPro's for their monthly deals on programming and general staff

[Fizzgig]

Originally Posted by tenderobject

uhmmm im not 100% sure about that... there are some honest outsourcing firms in the philippines bro. check out webmasterlabor and such..

$5 submissions? I think he is or used to be based in the Phillines.

[Greg MissionD]

Originally Posted by XLCowBoy

Errrmmm... not exactly...

One thing you have to keep in mind is that it's illegal to host adult content in the Philippines. It's also illegal to promote, and shoot adult content as well.

Some Filipino webmasters get away with this because they are able to afford a VPN, and what shows up is a US-based IP address.

I could actually open up a pandora's box and tell all of you what REALLY goes on behind the scenes at outsourcing companies. Trust me when I say that there is not one single honest outsourcing company out there at the moment. I personally know guys who are working (or used to work) at pretty much every Philippine adult outsourcing company there is, and in one sentence, I can honestly tell you...

That whole employee skill levels thing that they base their prices on? It's all bull.

But I'm sure most of you already knew that.

I'm glad that you know so much, well the way the levels work is based on experience in his resume, and you?re getting the wrong end of the stick here and how it works.
It?s not a puzzle and we screen and background checks them, if he?s a lower level that is what he is.

We can?t go into much detail on how we do it, but we make sure that our clients are getting what they want, it?s really the most stupid thing I?ve heard saying it?s bull as we even let the clients check out his skill set and have access to other details before the hire is made.

By what your saying is you?re telling me my company does not have the skill level set and you?re also applying that to iweb, i can assure you that both our companies make sure the skill set is as accurate as possible.

I guess you?re talking to people that used to work in outsourcing companies that are no longer there and always will have something to say, probably disgruntled employees and that are on the shop floor who have no idea about what really goes on in the back end of the companies as they never see it.

[Mr. Romance]

Originally Posted by flashfreak

the strong will survive...

pussies can go to McDonalds

true, fuck McDonalds and let the weak eat there


Mr. Romance

[Greg MissionD]

Originally Posted by Fizzgig

$5 submissions? I think he is or used to be based in the Phillines.

Gene is here in the Phils and he's another solid company

[germ]

Originally Posted by XLCowBoy

Hmmm... come to think of it, I've yet to hear any complaints about iwebmasters, or webmasterlabor, BUT it's only on this thread that i've heard about them.

So, alright, I'll retract my statement for the time being. I'll say about 95% aren't honest.

webmasterlabor is 100% honest and reputable. they've been absolutely amazing in the work they've done for me.

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by flashfreak

the strong will survive...

pussies can go to McDonalds

bingo, I love competition, bring it on !!!!

if I wanted stable income and boring job I would've stuck to a 9-5 one, webmastering rocks, there're months that suck, servers crash, people try to scam you, your motherboards goes up in smoke, but I fucking LOVE it !!!

[OG LennyT]

I want to outsource my GFY account

[donross]

Originally Posted by dvd316

I want to outsource my GFY account

lol, you tired of posting on your own...??

[XLCowBoy]

Originally Posted by Greg Gaskell

I'm glad that you know so much, well the way the levels work is based on experience in his resume, and you?re getting the wrong end of the stick here and how it works.
It?s not a puzzle and we screen and background checks them, if he?s a lower level that is what he is.

We can?t go into much detail on how we do it, but we make sure that our clients are getting what they want, it?s really the most stupid thing I?ve heard saying it?s bull as we even let the clients check out his skill set and have access to other details before the hire is made.

By what your saying is you?re telling me my company does not have the skill level set and you?re also applying that to iweb, i can assure you that both our companies make sure the skill set is as accurate as possible.

I guess you?re talking to people that used to work in outsourcing companies that are no longer there and always will have something to say, probably disgruntled employees and that are on the shop floor who have no idea about what really goes on in the back end of the companies as they never see it.

I won't say anything specific as that would mean having to provide evidence and creating more shit and headaches that I don't need. Feel free to defend yourselves if you must.

Let me just say that as far as iweb, $5sub, and webmasterlabor are concerned, I haven't heard anything negative about them from their "disgruntled" employees.

Everyone else... well... let's just say that many of your (your = all of you that I haven't excused) former employees have done some local work for me.

Especially those "top level" Flash designers of yours. Lol. They come to me with a resume claiming that they were the top level in your company, and based on your criteria, and PRICES, it was laughable.

Knowing how to motion tween isn't top level. Sorry. Anyone paying well over a $1000 monthly for an offshore guy that can't actionscript properly? Then you're really getting it in the ass.

The outsourcing guys you're paying over $1000+ for are only worth $400+ a month over here (which is slightly more than what they're being paid by the outsourcing companies). All you guys are doing is feeding the middle-man's extended family.

Simple reason is... the guys that are worth over $1000? They're being paid that amount over here, and they work for the big companies, or proper design firms (like our own, which is why we have citibank and knorr in our portfolio. Other multinational accounts we've done include juicyfruit as well.), or go freelance.

[XLCowBoy]

bump for a friend ;) he wanted to see this

[RichGuy]

The difference between making money and making real money, is to have a team (such an outsourcing company/companies) to handle the grunt work so that you can FOCUS your talents and maximize time and cash flow.

[m3nyc]

yeah...they are really gonna take over the business w those secretive banner building techniques!!! okieeeeee.

paranoia?

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by Shaze

Your creating more competition in the adult industry. You outsource your grunt work to third world countries and they learn the ins and outs of how the adult biz works and see they can make more money by doing it themselves than working as an outsourced employee.

Depends on what it is you're having outsourced. Say it's writing descriptions for galleries. You think they can make a living off that on their own? Nope.

[CaptainHowdy]

It's a dog eat dog world, my friend...

[xxxRumor]

I support outsourcing

It save money - cheap labor fucking great!!!

[pornask]

I don't think outsourcing poses any threat to adult industry as described in OP. If there is a threat, then it's spammers and abusers who load their pages with exit consoles, spyware and viruses. Healthy competition doesn't hurt anybody, it's those who don't play fair that do.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by Greg Gaskell

That is why we have a NON COMPETE with all employees.
It depends with the company that you go with and we take this very very seriously.

NON COMPETE sucks and only an idiot employee would sign such an agreement.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by RichGuy

The difference between making money and making real money, is to have a team (such an outsourcing company/companies) to handle the grunt work so that you can FOCUS your talents and maximize time and cash flow.

This is the most intelligent post I've read thus far.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

"The ins and outs of this industry", AKA "The Ropes".

I am going to be very blunt here and listen carefully...

This fuckin industry is not muther fucking science! This fucking industry any muther fucker can do, even retarded people can do it, infact most the people in this industry are fucking retarded!

This industry is about fucking sex and making a buck from the act's, there are more ways to make money with a mother fucking picture than there are ways to fuck an army of whores to turn a god damn profit.

Listen you fucking morons...

This industry is fucking EASY its not hard...

Now you all may continue.

[V_RocKs]

Wrong... I have shown a lot of people this industry and none of them can figure it out like I have.