Webby

Logic PP???

Don't go overboard and get too ambitious with anything that may need the brain to function - especially on this thread ;-)


PS Can't believe some of the stuff here - seriously - it's *very sad*. Animals have more sense.

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Pleasurepays

this place is like a 6th grade, talent show parody of a political and economic think tank. sometimes i get lost in the humor and forget the sad tragedy that its not a joke.

Webby

*lol*
It's entertaining enough - but when you realize they are serious, sheesh - they are an embarassment to the human species. Makes you wonder if there could be a positive side to euthanasia and a few mercy killings

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DaddyHalbucks

As I wrote earlier, I think it was opened ended that if Saddam's forces used WMD in general, they could expect to be on the receiving end too.

I don't think our big stick was chemicals or biological agents..HINT, HINT!!

Oh, and one more thing, it worked. Saddam's forces did not use WMD against our troops. So much for Bush's 'ineptitude.'

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kenny

The united states will leave Iraq when the new Iraq government is ready to take the training wheels off and ride solo.

Until then the US isn't going to leave. Sounds simple enough to me.

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Pleasurepays

thats one possible view.


another, is that he didn't have any WMD's that were weaponized and ready to use.

hmm..... wonder which one history will remember as being the more likely of the two??

Pleasurepays

haha... that would be a good argument to make. start a thread called "the admirable competence of president bush"... should be good for at least 20 pages of laughter and jolly fun.

kenny

He didn't do a very good job of making it look like he didn't have weapon programs..

Everybody thought he had them and he probably did. It wasn't that long ago when he used them last.

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DaddyHalbucks

Saddam used chemical weapons in Halabja, way back in 1988 --against Kurdish civilians.

Saddam had WMD alright, and a massive program to hide 'em. Read accounts of the UN weapons inspectors as they were jerked around for years. Weapons inspectors came in the front gate, and heavily laden trucks rolled out the back gate. Gee, I wonder what they were carrying?

Read about Georges Sada, one of Saddam's generals who said that Iraqi WMD were shipped off to Syria.

Wake up!

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Pleasurepays

i am not defending saddam hussein. he was begging to get his ass kicked. but the fact is the case was made before the world that he was an immenent threat, he had all kinds of weapons ready for deployment and was pursuing nuclear weapons. thats kinda the point.

kenny

I wouldn't waste my time it's pointless.

This isn't the first time that this information has been posted in one of these threads. In fact it has been posted countless times.

Whenever the opportunity to shed a negative light on the US presents it's self the same people jump on it.

It's like clockwork

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Pleasurepays

wake up?

i am awake. i am from a country with the worlds most sophisticated military and sophisticated intelligence operations... that claimed to know everything in extreme detail before the fact and apparently (according to you as well) couldn't figure out what was going on AFTER the fact. that in itself doesn't add up.

no one disputes what Saddam Hussein DID. what he did was not the basis for going to war. the basis for the war, as argued before the world was that he was an immenent threat and a lot of details were given about weapons and weapon systems that couldn't be found.. yet were the reason for going in. they have intelligence on the ground telling the US Military where he is eating lunch... yet all the surveillance capabilities couldn't detect all these elusive WMD's being moved around?

hmmmm.. weird.

Pleasurepays

its funny that we all know that satellites and spy planes can tell you what type of cigarette a goat farmer in the mountains is smoking... but after all the years of having weapons inspectors in Iraq and gathering intelligence from them, in addtion to people on the ground, in the sky and satellites, they had no idea where the actual weapons were... you know.. .those "immenent threat" weapons. the dangerous ones. the ones that could be ready to fire in 45 minutes. the weapons that were a threat... and could be fired in 45 minutes... but were so well concealed that they were never found... ever.

Pleasurepays

i think its kinda amusing that some cant give up on Bush. he's a retard. in fact, he is embarrassing to retards. i dont think Gore or Kerry were better. thats whats totally pathetic and sad about the democratic party.. they couldn't win an election against a trained baboon. the war is a dissaster by any measurement or meaning of the word. i mean seriously! a fucking army that knows with 100% certainty that they will be totally destroyed in hours in a battle has only one obvious option... take off the uniforms and blend in and fight a guerilla war. i am ashamed and embarrassed that this came as a surprise move to a multi-trillion dollar military machine.

kenny

Do you mean the weapons that did this?

http://images.google.com/images?num=...-8&sa=N&tab=wi

That is a good question. They have to be somewhere right?

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Webby

Your patience with this idiot mob trying to clutch straws is admirable PP - sure ain't got that degree of patience with the world's trash...

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Pleasurepays

again... one more time

slooooooooowly for the thinking and logic impaired

try to follow


i'll go slow.


really slow.


slow enough for you....


Read the following statement a few times and think it over.

... What he did in previous decades, WAS NOT the basis for the invasion

notabook

They smuggled them out of the country by using a massive correlation of photonic optical arrays to effectively cloak the many thousands of cargo trucks scrambling to get the WMD’s out and into Syria. Of course the construction of the photonic optical arrays would have been seen by the various intelligence agencies of first world nations so the almighty and all-knowing Iraqis used a special fosforium-nobelium coating on all of the construction workers that were involved in the project. They also made sure to coat all machinery and other equipment that was being used in the project. This coating rendered satellites and other means of spying useless. Everything coated with fosforium-nobelium would merely appear as patches of desert to those attempting to spy on the highly advanced Iraqis.

Hope I cleared this up for you. You really need to wake up man.

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kenny

I quoted your post. In that post you were bitching about looking for weapons.

You made it sound as if they didn't exist.

I showed you images of what Saddam did with such weapons just 13 years prior.

The same weapons that UN inspectors kept getting jerked around about. The same weapons that the CIA, British Intelligence, and other governments have known to exist.

Am I missing something here?

According to your logic Jimmy Hoffa never existed because we never recovered his body..

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Joe Citizen

I did. Lets take a look:

He claims that he was discharged and imprisoned for two weeks on February 5, 1991, for refusing to execute POWs and has not been employed in any official capacity in Iraq since then. He was told that Saddam didn't want him harmed but that he never wanted to see him again either.

After the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, Sada sided with the US-led government, and served as spokesman for the interim leader Iyad Allawi, and was appointed as National Security Advisor.

He serves as the Senior Warden of the St. Georges Anglican Church and as the President of the National Presbyterian Church, both in Baghdad. The former President of the Evangelical Churches of Iraq, Sada is also chairman of the Assembly of Iraqi Evangelical Presbyterian Churches. He has been active in advocating that Iraq was historically Christian in nature, and not Muslim.

And, of course, he has a book to promote: Saddam's Secrets: How an Iraqi General Defied And Survived Saddam Hussein



He won't even identify the supposed pilots? I wonder why?

and then this from Jon Stewart's The Daily Show:

LOL! Yellow barrels... complete with skulls and crossbones.

Why is there nobody else willing to corroborate this crackpots story? And why have the people involved never come forward?

More importantly: Why does anyone believe this tripe?

Pleasurepays

you are lucky my autistic friend, you caught me at a time when i am bored and tired of working.

let me help you with your very flawed understanding of things

1) he definately had all kinds of biological and chemical weapons
2) he definately used them many years ago against Kurds and Iran
3) most of what he had was accounted for and destroyed through the UN program
4) the only arguments that existed after that were about what wasn't accounted for BUT was never proven to even exist and not thought to exist by weapons inspectors or Hans Blix
5) the argument was made that he has a large variety of weapons, that he is going to deploy them at any moment, that he is an "imminent threat" and since he won't cooperate, he must be attacked
6) Powell went to the UN and gave the most dissapointing presentation possibly immaginable that set back educated black people about 50 years. this presentation was very specific about weapons that did exist, about mobile labs, their locations, their state of readiness and so on... with the punchline being "he is gonna use them at any second, so we have to attack him"
7) the UN did not agree with this approach or that there was sufficient evidence of the existence of the alleged "WMDs"
8) NATO did not agree with this approach or that there was sufficient evidence of the existence of the alleged "WMDs"
9) Iraq was invaded for the stated purpose of "disarming" him of these weapons
10) so far, nothing has been found
11) you will read this, give it due thought, still be autistic and mentally impaired, not "get it" and keep making retarded remarks that are off topic and make no sense to defend what most in the world agree is 100% indefensible.

kenny

Check.

Check.

Yes. This would explain why the weapons inspectors were jerked around so much. Oh, wait it doesn't.

That is usually the case with any weapon. There is usually a way to deploy them

You got one thing right. He wasn't cooperating.


Like you known any different at that time. It's easy to play Monday morning quarterback.

Every government intelligence agency agreed with that. Prehaps they should of just asked you?

The UN wanted to dick around with weapon inspectors some more. Probably to milked out food for oil awhile longer.

Their intelligence says one thing they base their actions on something else.

The US already had the support of any NATO country worth a fuck.

Either has Bin Laden prehaps he doesn't exist either..

I can always spot a punk. You have no problem speaking that way over the internet but you would probably be the last one to speak that way in somebody's face.

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kenny

Look at his reputation and they way he was acting and you can see why.

It wouldn't exactly be the first time he did any of those things.

The fact remains he wasn't cooperating and his behavior suggested anything but having no sanctioned weapons.

Monday morning quarterbacks I swear..

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kenny

Anyway this is what I orginally wanted to say. It was more on topic.

Later

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Webby

Well.. that was a dialog with no content and an obvious desire to deny commonly known fact

Gawd some of them are so incredibly dumb to a level it's hard to believe actually exist.

Seriously PP... do they actually believe the shit they talk or is this motivated by .. dunno... a bad bout of propaganda or too much medication?? Just find this shit amazing.... animal life has more intelligence.

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kenny

Says the person biased agaisnt almost everything american.

Why am I not surprised.

You probably bust a nut anytime you even get a remote change to bash anything that has to do with the United States.

That much has been established a long time ago I'm sure

We all know your opinion in matters like this doesn't mean shit because the response is automatic

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Webby

Moron... understand this. You talk shit and everything you spewed in your last post is both totally irrelevant and only based on the assumptions in your deficient remaining braincell.

For you to even utter the word bias, is a damned joke - you are either genuinely mentally retarded or seriously need to go back to kindergarten and start afresh.

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kenny

I obviously struck a nerve.

Unlike you I don't feel the urge to use 9th grade insults.

The truth does the job just fine.

Webby we both know that you have a overwelming amount of negative posts directed towards the united states and for a thread like this thats very relevant. It establishes a obvious pattern that you are almost certain to follow.

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spanky part 2

As a US loving citizen, saying anything negative about Bush and company is NOT a negative against the US. Bush has nothing to do with the USA, he's a headpiece for the corporate interests.

Dagwolf

Bush has put congress in an awkward position. Why is it Clinton can practically get impeached for getting a blowjob.. and Bush can keep on being a despotic lunatic for as long as he wants?

Someone's priorities are skewed.

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stickyfingerz

I think you watched Enemy of the state a few too many times.....

stickyfingerz

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Correction. President Clinton was not "practically" impeached he was impeached and it was not for getting a blowjob it was for lying in court while under oath. His punishment was to be impeached, a fine, and to be disbarred as an attorney. It was a good lesson that no man in this country is above the law and that includes President Bush. If and when he violates the law he to may very well be impeached.

Pleasurepays

Sorry General and Chairman of the Joint Cheifs of Staff. Didn't know who I was speaking to. My Apologies.

Webby

If the truth does the job - try and use it, not twist it. That is the core problem - namely a denial of the truth and something which has been very clearly demonstrated since you entered this thread.

Yea yea yea... sure, I "hate America" and have an "overwhelming number of negative posts" - yet more bullshit. Sorry if your finer sensibilites get ruffled and that raw patriotic/nationalist nerve has been tampered with. That is an obvious difference between rational logical processes and .. whatever, "a need to defend" - I don't give a shit if someone criticises my country - especially if it is blatantly warranted - I'd be joining them.

If the US or any other country behave like kids on drugs - I'll be right there with "negative posts" - just live with it. The fact that the US is currently the talking point of the planet and has more than justified reason for criticsm, it's hardly a surprise there are "negative posts". Believe me, there are more than just negative posts globally - the posts here are mild in comparison.

Back to the mental abberation and understanding why the current adminstration invaded Iraq...

Why was it again?????? Don't bother - you are a waste of time and incapable of any serious dialog and have nothing to offer.

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Webby

Another typical retard with a deviate hatred of everyone who may stray from his warped views of the planet - including any opposing views in US domestic politics. Where do these sad sickos come from???

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INever

War is a Racket.

spanky part 2

Wow a great read and still timely. On the same vain, go rent "why we fight"
amazing.

Pleasurepays

i dont know what "why we fight" is...but its my firm belief that we fight for the same basic reasons that any living organism does. we are driven by a primal need to insure our own safety, security (real or percieved) and to grow and expand. its part of what we are and a natural tendancy thats firmly engrained in our own genetics. it can be said of bacteria or monkeys or any living creature. i also believe that we are simple animals that are set apart from other animals primarily by the ability to convince ourselves that we are something greater and better and more "civilized". we possess the unique ability to console ourselves, to rationalize our feelings and behaviors, to justify our actions no matter how brutal they might be - yet the fact of the matter is that we behave no different than a group of primates.... while in a sad irony, we are continually convincing ourselves we don't.

we will always fight. its what we are. its who we are.

Webby

It's interesting watching primates PP - They have a fairly sophisticated social structure, developed since.. whenever. Conflict is rarely part of that structure and not usual unless there is a threat to the community - even then, it's settled relatively quickly by "communication". Also noticeable is a pattern of 'respect' or whatever for the area where they live - eg.. they won't stray far from home and work a pathway around that area. They will never "plunder" one spot and ruin future fruit/food prospects, but move on to another spot and live and eat there for a time. After doing the rounds of X good "homesteads", they will return to the first when more fruit has grown - and start the cycle over again ;-)

Maybe we have something to learn from primates - one thing is sustainability The irony is we are screwing them up as well.


PS BTW "Communication" ranges from a vocal dialog to pissing down over ya - human activity can sometimes never get to the dialog stage, - but just to a level of "that's the enemy" and internal bitching about how evil the enemy are. Can think of a few leaders who could not bring themselves to speak to others Maybe a primate could help....

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