Content producers how do you prevent the waffle? - GoFuckYourself.com

Chris Corn · 07-07-2006, 04:40 PM

Fucking girls man. I set things up and it takes a few weeks to hammer out the bugs. The chick is there on the same page then she fucks off! Never to be heard from again. I politely ask whats going on. I try calling them, nothing. I e-mail nothing. Gone... poof! Never to be seen again. How do you prevent this from happening? There must be a key phrase to tell these girls in order to get them to the shoot. For fucks, sake, it's driving me mental. I offer cash at the end of the shoot, we pick a day and location and still same thing. No show, gone.

Do you have to trick them or be totally honest with them. I never lie, maybe I should. Do I need a website to display the work or will that scare them away? Do I want to scare them away beforehand and spell it all out for them? How can I tell which girls are actually going to show and which are going to fuck you.

After Shock Media · 07-07-2006, 04:47 PM

Most models flake. Fact of shooting.

Book as close to the shoot as possible, pick their asses up if you can, stay friendly with agents if you use them, and try to avoid those with boyfriends or suitcase pimps. Oh yeah strippers really suck.

fitzmulti · 07-07-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Most models flake.

Corn, Frosted, whatever...the ALL flake unless you get a miracle!

Chris Corn · 07-07-2006, 04:55 PM

I was thinking going to them is the trick I haven't learned yet. Trying to get them to come to us because we have locations. Everytime I ask no one has a place to shoot so we try to get them here.

After Shock Media · 07-07-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Corn

I was thinking going to them is the trick I haven't learned yet. Trying to get them to come to us because we have locations. Everytime I ask no one has a place to shoot so we try to get them here.

Even with locations you can still pick them up.
This will help by about 10%.

nofx · 07-07-2006, 05:02 PM

yup about 95% of them flake

about a month ago I had 3 girls lined up to do a shoot for me and all of them fucking flaked out on me

rather sad.
;\

Chris Corn · 07-07-2006, 05:09 PM

Will my e-mail sig help lol

ICQ 212-072-421
Christopher Corn - Website Content Producer

'Dont book if you're going to flake out on me, and if you're flaking me out, fill me in, I wont flake out' **wink*

Grapesoda · 07-07-2006, 05:11 PM

custom content shooter experience a 80%-90% no show on test shoots, 99% on black models here in LA and other parts of the country as well . .. I know shooters all over the USA and these are the numbers we've all agreed on.

on shoot custom content shoots look at average 40% no-shows and going upwards of 85% if you book more shoots and more models to compensate the average 40% loss

on the more expensive models from the higher priced agencies you might get a little lower % of shoot failure however these agencies substitute models and this is not an option for custom exclusive shooters . .

this is just part of the territory of custom shooting in America . . . and it does NOT matter how much $$ is on the table . . a model will flake on a $2,000 fee just as readily as a $200 fee

After Shock Media · 07-07-2006, 05:13 PM

Yup agree with Wanton, unless of course you supply the drugs. Ok Im kidding.

Mr.Right - Banned For Life · 07-07-2006, 05:15 PM

Try and shoot at least 20 to 30 sets of her when you first get hold of her.

Chris Corn · 07-07-2006, 05:16 PM

That's friggen terrible. Humm, time to brain storm a better method. Custom content is a drag.

latinasojourn · 07-07-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Corn

Fucking girls man. I set things up and it takes a few weeks to hammer out the bugs. The chick is there on the same page then she fucks off! Never to be heard from again. I politely ask whats going on. I try calling them, nothing. I e-mail nothing. Gone... poof! Never to be seen again. How do you prevent this from happening? There must be a key phrase to tell these girls in order to get them to the shoot. For fucks, sake, it's driving me mental. I offer cash at the end of the shoot, we pick a day and location and still same thing. No show, gone.

Do you have to trick them or be totally honest with them. I never lie, maybe I should. Do I need a website to display the work or will that scare them away? Do I want to scare them away beforehand and spell it all out for them? How can I tell which girls are actually going to show and which are going to fuck you.

once the word is out from referrals that you are ok, the girls are there waiting for you.

i think lots of guys don't know how to talk to girls, or hassle them on the shoot. stay all biz. chicks are wise to the so-called "content shooter" who really is an amateur just trying to get laid or fondle a chick.

ain't cool, and if the girl senses it she probably won't show. if you pay right, are all biz, treat the girls with respect, make them think they are beautiful, they ALWAYS show up.

latinasojourn · 07-07-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Corn

Do I need a website to display the work or will that scare them away?

yes you do.

and you should have a private link that the models can click to with examples of exactly what they will be doing.

Grapesoda · 07-07-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by latinasojourn

once the word is out from referrals that you are ok, the girls are there waiting for you.

i think lots of guys don't know how to talk to girls, or hassle them on the shoot. stay all biz. chicks are wise to the so-called "content shooter" who really is an amateur just trying to get laid or fondle a chick.

ain't cool, and if the girl senses it she probably won't show. if you pay right, are all biz, treat the girls with respect, make them think they are beautiful, they ALWAYS show up.

you're very wrong on everything you've posted to be very honest about it . . . you are not a content shooter and that's a fact, best stop trying to give advice on something you have no idea about at all. bmb

After Shock Media · 07-07-2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by latinasojourn

once the word is out from referrals that you are ok, the girls are there waiting for you.

i think lots of guys don't know how to talk to girls, or hassle them on the shoot. stay all biz. chicks are wise to the so-called "content shooter" who really is an amateur just trying to get laid or fondle a chick.

ain't cool, and if the girl senses it she probably won't show. if you pay right, are all biz, treat the girls with respect, make them think they are beautiful, they ALWAYS show up.

Where the fuck are you shooting at? I really would love to know. Out of curiosity did a midget greet you when you got off the plane after landing on an island somewhere?

mrthumbs · 07-07-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nofx

yup about 95% of them flake

rather sad.
;\

sounds like my average date!!

Mutt · 07-07-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by latinasojourn

once the word is out from referrals that you are ok, the girls are there waiting for you.

i think lots of guys don't know how to talk to girls, or hassle them on the shoot. stay all biz. chicks are wise to the so-called "content shooter" who really is an amateur just trying to get laid or fondle a chick.

ain't cool, and if the girl senses it she probably won't show. if you pay right, are all biz, treat the girls with respect, make them think they are beautiful, they ALWAYS show up.

you are on the good stuff i see!

there is NO solution to models flaking - has nothing to do with anything about you or money or anything - girls at that age have their own agendas and the agenda changes every day, sometimes by the hour - if you fit in with it on a particular day and the stars are aligned right she'll show up. actually money is the one thing that will work - but they have to be absolutely desperate for it.

DBS.US · 07-07-2006, 05:56 PM

Chris, where are you located?

Addie Rocks! · 07-07-2006, 06:00 PM

I'll work for you, depending on what you shoot. I don't flake. It's a job and we all want to get paid. I can't understand why a model would fail to show up to a paid shoot. They've got to be too young, too scared, too shy, or just plain unprofessional.

Chris Corn · 07-07-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DBS.US

Chris, where are you located?

I'm located just outside of Toronto, Ontario.

Dagwolf · 07-07-2006, 06:06 PM

Give them $100 to show up nude at a family reunion and masturbate on the buffet table. If they do that they'll probably show up for the shoot.

Chris Corn · 07-07-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Addie Rocks!

I'll work for you, depending on what you shoot. I don't flake. It's a job and we all want to get paid. I can't understand why a model would fail to show up to a paid shoot. They've got to be too young, too scared, too shy, or just plain unprofessional.

Looks like you'd be a blast to work with!

Addie Rocks! · 07-07-2006, 06:08 PM

damn...you're in canada. that may present a problem. if you ever come down to atlanta, hit me up.

ER!C L!VE · 07-07-2006, 06:12 PM

Yep. That shit happens to the best of us. Especially girls who haven't been photographed nude before. I have a few of them flake. I had a camera man who I had to pay $200 for a shoot that never happened. Not cool.

Red Ezra · 07-07-2006, 07:42 PM

avoiding flakes is all in the casting - you will see signs of flakedom in the interview - you have to talk to the girl eye to eye

2HousePlague · 07-07-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Ezra

avoiding flakes is all in the casting - you will see signs of flakedom in the interview - you have to talk to the girl eye to eye

Yaah, I think you can filter for this right up front.

2hp

CaptainHowdy · 07-07-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagwolf

Give them $100 to show up nude at a family reunion and masturbate on the buffet table. If they do that they'll probably show up for the shoot.

ROFL

!!

whorehole · 07-07-2006, 07:49 PM

Flaking is just part of the game- its gonna happen a certain portion of the time.. just does.

One of the best ways to get a girl to be there is to dangle the most money you can.. try to book her for multiple shoots/jobs on the same day to increase the enticement.

Make it worth her rolling out of bed.. eh or stumbling in from an allnighter

Stallion · 07-07-2006, 07:51 PM

flaky models suck

AaronM · 07-07-2006, 08:05 PM

Some of the shit you people deal with just floors me. Yes, you are always going to have a certain percentage of flakes but the better you treat the models the lower that number will be. If I had the percentage of flakes that Wanton says he has, I think I would take a good hard look at myself and try to figure out WTF I was doing wrong.

I have MAYBE a 15% flake rate on interviews and test shoots and way less than that on paid shoots.

I don't use agents and as of 2 weeks ago I stopped advertising in the local papers. I recruit them personally, online, or they are referred by other models these days. I've found that models who reply to print ads or who come from agents are more likely to flake than others.

When I do get a flake, it happens with a few girls at once. I haven't had a girl flake on me for a couple of months and all of a sudden I have had 2 this week.

Incidentally...I rarely book more than 2 days ahead of time and the girls that flaked were booked prior to the holiday weekend. One of them called me to reschedule and the other has changed her mind about modeling.

czarina · 07-07-2006, 08:09 PM

that's right, they all flake! We shot a model for 3 hours straight, softcore, just posing nude and that kind of stuff. Paid her handsomely. Asked her come back the following day to shoot her for a few more hours...
Guess what? She called us the following morning and said that she couldn't show up because now that she had money she was going to spend the weekend with her boyfriend in Key West.

AaronM · 07-07-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by czarina

that's right, they all flake! We shot a model for 3 hours straight, softcore, just posing nude and that kind of stuff. Paid her handsomely. Asked her come back the following day to shoot her for a few more hours...
Guess what? She called us the following morning and said that she couldn't show up because now that she had money she was going to spend the weekend with her boyfriend in Key West.

So, the next time she calls you for work, tell her you are booked solid for the next 3 weeks but that she should check in with you each day to see if there is a change.

Make her sweat for 3 to 5 days then tell her you have an opening.

After that, she is not likely to flake again.

It's the producers job to control the models, not the other way around. If you let them flake and get away with it then it will always be an issue.

AllStar · 07-07-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

So, the next time she calls you for work, tell her you are booked solid for the next 3 weeks but that she should check in with you each day to see if there is a change.

Make her sweat for 3 to 5 days then tell her you have an opening.

After that, she is not likely to flake again.

It's the producers job to control the models, not the other way around. If you let them flake and get away with it then it will always be an issue.

Yeah Aaron you are right to a certain degree and say you have to treat the models right and have to have a certain attitude with them. However don't give Brian such a hard time. In LA you have to shoot a lot of girls to make decent money, unfortunately there is a high flake factor unless you want to shoot girls that have been in the industry a long time and are desperate for the cash.
Brian shoots mostly first time girls and I would venture he is shooting 4-5brand new girls a week, I am sure he doesn't have much time to recruit so he has to book through agencies. Very different then I am sure what you do and what you work you offer the girls.

Also in regards to the original post. Flakes, lateness and stupidity are part of the job as a shooter. You have to deal with it.
For me I don't think it is worth it anymore, I have done it for 4 years now and it drove me fuckin nuts.
Good luck and good riddance...lol

jonesy · 07-07-2006, 08:41 PM

i use something i learned from aaron

i whip out my cock when i meet them which garuanteeeees theyre showing up when i book em.

johnshinil · 07-07-2006, 09:10 PM

Chris.. I think everyone has problems with no show.

From my experience its like this:

FIRST TIMERS / TEST SHOOTS:
The biggest problem are the first-timers, picked up either online, ads, or street. Only around 20 % of these come to the test shoot.

Models referred by other models who already do work for me: - 40% come on test shoot.

PRODUCTION SHOOTS:
My own models: 95% come to the shoot, unless they're out of modelling for good (and this is mostly due to the fact that they got a boyfriend or some shit like that)

Models booked thru agency: - 90% come to shoot, however to actually close a deal with retards from agency is a pain in the ass.

In my case I manage to get the first-time models pretty stable after the test shoot (in most cases they have never done any modelling job at all before).

Here are some tips that I use to reduce the flake effect:
Book 1-2 days prior to actual shoot date.
Pay a bit over the agreed rate (everyone likes free cash).
Book for a decent volume of work (more work per day --> less no show events)

The "flaking" happens mostly becuase of these 2 elements imho:

- not really up to the job - mentally (first time models who havent posed nude before)

- too little cash involved (professionals sometimes agree on booking date, then if they get a better offer on same date from someone else, they cancel the first shooting)

Alternatively I see a way to make a 100% no flake model system. Get them all on crack and get permit from the gouverment to license the content shooters for crack resale. Problem will be solved. A shitload of models, no flaking, and the state will make a few bux of the regulated crack industry.

MaddCaz · 07-07-2006, 09:13 PM

models suck

Mr.Right - Banned For Life · 07-07-2006, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Some of the shit you people deal with just floors me. Yes, you are always going to have a certain percentage of flakes but the better you treat the models the lower that number will be. If I had the percentage of flakes that Wanton says he has, I think I would take a good hard look at myself and try to figure out WTF I was doing wrong.

I have MAYBE a 15% flake rate on interviews and test shoots and way less than that on paid shoots.

I don't use agents and as of 2 weeks ago I stopped advertising in the local papers. I recruit them personally, online, or they are referred by other models these days. I've found that models who reply to print ads or who come from agents are more likely to flake than others.

When I do get a flake, it happens with a few girls at once. I haven't had a girl flake on me for a couple of months and all of a sudden I have had 2 this week.

Incidentally...I rarely book more than 2 days ahead of time and the girls that flaked were booked prior to the holiday weekend. One of them called me to reschedule and the other has changed her mind about modeling.

That is 100%. I fond the best girls are the ones i have approched in cafe's ect, always on time and always eager to shoot.

AaronM has written a blog on finding models which i thought was really good.

Grapesoda · 07-07-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Some of the shit you people deal with just floors me. Yes, you are always going to have a certain percentage of flakes but the better you treat the models the lower that number will be. If I had the percentage of flakes that Wanton says he has, I think I would take a good hard look at myself and try to figure out WTF I was doing wrong.

**** not just me dough boy . . industry standard

I have MAYBE a 15% flake rate on interviews and test shoots and way less than that on paid shoots.

I don't use agents and as of 2 weeks ago I stopped advertising in the local papers. I recruit them personally, online, or they are referred by other models these days. I've found that models who reply to print ads or who come from agents are more likely to flake than others.

*** very, very true

When I do get a flake, it happens with a few girls at once. I haven't had a girl flake on me for a couple of months and all of a sudden I have had 2 this week.

*** yep, when it rains it pours

Incidentally...I rarely book more than 2 days ahead of time and the girls that flaked were booked prior to the holiday weekend. One of them called me to reschedule and the other has changed her mind about modeling.

Grapesoda · 07-07-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AllStar

Also in regards to the original post. Flakes, lateness and stupidity are part of the job as a shooter. You have to deal with it.
For me I don't think it is worth it anymore, I have done it for 4 years now and it drove me fuckin nuts.
Good luck and good riddance...lol

I'm right there with ya

workin very hard to move along to greener grass

czarina · 07-07-2006, 09:19 PM

Show me the money! Really. Show them that you have the cash. If you are offering 500 show them at least three, and tell them that you are not joking. Just make sure to be safe.

AllStar · 07-07-2006, 09:24 PM

However really the only way to prevent no shows, is to basically build a name for your self. Although I have never seen it done in this industry, it is something that is done in Mainstream and works very well. They hype the shit of a photographer or Director and you are lucky just to work with the person, and if you have attitude or become flakey they will take you completely out of the industry and you can go flip burgers at Burger King.

Doctor Dre · 07-07-2006, 09:29 PM

It's a fact of life... theses bitches just flake on you. I learned it a hard way during a huge shoot when 2 models didn't show up.

AaronM · 07-07-2006, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AllStar

Yeah Aaron you are right to a certain degree and say you have to treat the models right and have to have a certain attitude with them. However don't give Brian such a hard time. In LA you have to shoot a lot of girls to make decent money, unfortunately there is a high flake factor unless you want to shoot girls that have been in the industry a long time and are desperate for the cash.
Brian shoots mostly first time girls and I would venture he is shooting 4-5brand new girls a week, I am sure he doesn't have much time to recruit so he has to book through agencies. Very different then I am sure what you do and what you work you offer the girls.

I'm not giving Brian a hard time at all.

As for what he does and what I do....I too shoot 4 to 5 brand new girls each week....And I'm not sharing them with LA agents or photographers who treat them like shit and or allow the models to walk all over them. If the girl is brand new then it's up to the producer to train her to act like a professional and show up for her shoots before somebody else allows her to develop poor work habits.

AaronM · 07-07-2006, 09:55 PM

Hey Brian.....Call me a dough boy if you like but you may want to take a peek in the mirror and realise that you are fat AND old.....well....At least you look way older than me.

Love always,
Dough Boy

Jim_Gunn · 07-07-2006, 10:25 PM

I have a pretty low flake and no-show rate. Thankfully most of the girls I book want to work for me because I been around forever and I often film an atttractive new girl several times immediately and sometimes a dozen or more times after that for different projects in some cases. And when they do flake, oh well, thats life. Sometimes I rebook them if they are hot enough, otherwise there's more where she came from. New girls are turning eighteen every day.

Sebastian Sands · 07-07-2006, 10:35 PM

A chick making 2 k today is very likely to flake tomorrow on a 800 dollar shoot. She has money she doesn't worry untill the money runs out and then she will come begging, unfortunately most producers/photographers will still shoot her. Pussy control... lol

basschick · 07-07-2006, 11:37 PM

it ain't just girls - actually it ain't just adult! we're shooting male non-adult and we still have our share of flakes. models aren't all the most reliable people in the world ;)

Pornwolf · 07-08-2006, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by basschick

it ain't just girls - actually it ain't just adult! we're shooting male non-adult and we still have our share of flakes. models aren't all the most reliable people in the world ;)

This is the truth. Ever try recruiting session musicians from the Velvet Rope? LOL

Chris Corn · 07-08-2006, 06:40 AM

Really good info in here. Soaking it in....

jimthefiend · 07-08-2006, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Most models flake. Fact of shooting.

Book as close to the shoot as possible, pick their asses up if you can, stay friendly with agents if you use them, and try to avoid those with boyfriends or suitcase pimps. Oh yeah strippers really suck.

Words to live by.

07-07-2006, 04:40 PM	#1
Chris Corn Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 237	Content producers how do you prevent the waffle? Fucking girls man. I set things up and it takes a few weeks to hammer out the bugs. The chick is there on the same page then she fucks off! Never to be heard from again. I politely ask whats going on. I try calling them, nothing. I e-mail nothing. Gone... poof! Never to be seen again. How do you prevent this from happening? There must be a key phrase to tell these girls in order to get them to the shoot. For fucks, sake, it's driving me mental. I offer cash at the end of the shoot, we pick a day and location and still same thing. No show, gone. Do you have to trick them or be totally honest with them. I never lie, maybe I should. Do I need a website to display the work or will that scare them away? Do I want to scare them away beforehand and spell it all out for them? How can I tell which girls are actually going to show and which are going to fuck you. __________________ I shoot video. Corn.Christopher (at) gmail.com ICQ 212-072-421

07-07-2006, 04:47 PM	#2
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	Most models flake. Fact of shooting. Book as close to the shoot as possible, pick their asses up if you can, stay friendly with agents if you use them, and try to avoid those with boyfriends or suitcase pimps. Oh yeah strippers really suck. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

07-07-2006, 04:55 PM	#4
Chris Corn Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 237	I was thinking going to them is the trick I haven't learned yet. Trying to get them to come to us because we have locations. Everytime I ask no one has a place to shoot so we try to get them here. __________________ I shoot video. Corn.Christopher (at) gmail.com ICQ 212-072-421

07-07-2006, 05:02 PM	#6
nofx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Virgin Mary's womb Posts: 16,826	yup about 95% of them flake about a month ago I had 3 girls lined up to do a shoot for me and all of them fucking flaked out on me rather sad. ;\ __________________ Often times I wonder why There's love and hate, theres live or die. When sickness comes I must decide: When feelings go, theres suicide.

07-07-2006, 05:09 PM	#7
Chris Corn Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 237	Will my e-mail sig help lol ICQ 212-072-421 Christopher Corn - Website Content Producer 'Dont book if you're going to flake out on me, and if you're flaking me out, fill me in, I wont flake out' *wink __________________ I shoot video. Corn.Christopher (at) gmail.com ICQ 212-072-421

07-07-2006, 05:11 PM	#8
Grapesoda So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 46,238	custom content shooter experience a 80%-90% no show on test shoots, 99% on black models here in LA and other parts of the country as well . .. I know shooters all over the USA and these are the numbers we've all agreed on. on shoot custom content shoots look at average 40% no-shows and going upwards of 85% if you book more shoots and more models to compensate the average 40% loss on the more expensive models from the higher priced agencies you might get a little lower % of shoot failure however these agencies substitute models and this is not an option for custom exclusive shooters . . this is just part of the territory of custom shooting in America . . . and it does NOT matter how much $$ is on the table . . a model will flake on a $2,000 fee just as readily as a $200 fee

07-07-2006, 05:13 PM	#9
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	Yup agree with Wanton, unless of course you supply the drugs. Ok Im kidding. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

07-07-2006, 05:15 PM	#10
Mr.Right - Banned For Life I guarantee it Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 18,314	Try and shoot at least 20 to 30 sets of her when you first get hold of her.

07-07-2006, 05:16 PM	#11
Chris Corn Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 237	That's friggen terrible. Humm, time to brain storm a better method. Custom content is a drag. __________________ I shoot video. Corn.Christopher (at) gmail.com ICQ 212-072-421

07-07-2006, 05:56 PM	#18
DBS.US Geo Cities Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: North Captiva Island, Florida USA Posts: 11,840	Chris, where are you located? __________________ Have an unused domain? Make a Free Chaturbate White Label site and be making money tonight

07-07-2006, 06:00 PM	#19
Addie Rocks! Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 249	I'll work for you, depending on what you shoot. I don't flake. It's a job and we all want to get paid. I can't understand why a model would fail to show up to a paid shoot. They've got to be too young, too scared, too shy, or just plain unprofessional. __________________ Join Addie's Yahoo Group! View Addie's video clips! Email Addie Rocks! at [email protected] ICQ: 233-763-334

07-07-2006, 06:06 PM	#21
Dagwolf President of Canada Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leaving Hell, Entering Limbo Posts: 23,141	Give them $100 to show up nude at a family reunion and masturbate on the buffet table. If they do that they'll probably show up for the shoot. __________________ Sleep well, and dream of large women.

07-07-2006, 06:08 PM	#23
Addie Rocks! Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 249	damn...you're in canada. that may present a problem. if you ever come down to atlanta, hit me up. __________________ Join Addie's Yahoo Group! View Addie's video clips! Email Addie Rocks! at [email protected] ICQ: 233-763-334

07-07-2006, 06:12 PM	#24
ER!C L!VE Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: WORLDW!DE Posts: 724	Yep. That shit happens to the best of us. Especially girls who haven't been photographed nude before. I have a few of them flake. I had a camera man who I had to pay $200 for a shoot that never happened. Not cool. __________________ www.BackroomCastingCouch.com www.ExploitedCollegeGirls.com www.FCUKCash.com

07-07-2006, 07:42 PM	#25
Red Ezra redezra.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vegas Baby! Posts: 4,680	avoiding flakes is all in the casting - you will see signs of flakedom in the interview - you have to talk to the girl eye to eye

07-07-2006, 07:49 PM	#28
whorehole Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 299	Flaking is just part of the game- its gonna happen a certain portion of the time.. just does. One of the best ways to get a girl to be there is to dangle the most money you can.. try to book her for multiple shoots/jobs on the same day to increase the enticement. Make it worth her rolling out of bed.. eh or stumbling in from an allnighter

07-07-2006, 07:51 PM	#29
Stallion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: FL Posts: 6,632	flaky models suck __________________ Project Manager/Program Manager/Webmaster Seeking Work [email protected] icq 856554

07-07-2006, 08:05 PM	#30
AaronM GFY Royality ;) Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,922	Some of the shit you people deal with just floors me. Yes, you are always going to have a certain percentage of flakes but the better you treat the models the lower that number will be. If I had the percentage of flakes that Wanton says he has, I think I would take a good hard look at myself and try to figure out WTF I was doing wrong. I have MAYBE a 15% flake rate on interviews and test shoots and way less than that on paid shoots. I don't use agents and as of 2 weeks ago I stopped advertising in the local papers. I recruit them personally, online, or they are referred by other models these days. I've found that models who reply to print ads or who come from agents are more likely to flake than others. When I do get a flake, it happens with a few girls at once. I haven't had a girl flake on me for a couple of months and all of a sudden I have had 2 this week. Incidentally...I rarely book more than 2 days ahead of time and the girls that flaked were booked prior to the holiday weekend. One of them called me to reschedule and the other has changed her mind about modeling.

07-07-2006, 08:09 PM	#31
czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,748	that's right, they all flake! We shot a model for 3 hours straight, softcore, just posing nude and that kind of stuff. Paid her handsomely. Asked her come back the following day to shoot her for a few more hours... Guess what? She called us the following morning and said that she couldn't show up because now that she had money she was going to spend the weekend with her boyfriend in Key West.

07-07-2006, 08:41 PM	#34
jonesy Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,688	i use something i learned from aaron i whip out my cock when i meet them which garuanteeeees theyre showing up when i book em. __________________ . Shooting Bikini Girls

07-07-2006, 09:10 PM	#35
johnshinil Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 194	Chris.. I think everyone has problems with no show. From my experience its like this: FIRST TIMERS / TEST SHOOTS: The biggest problem are the first-timers, picked up either online, ads, or street. Only around 20 % of these come to the test shoot. Models referred by other models who already do work for me: - 40% come on test shoot. PRODUCTION SHOOTS: My own models: 95% come to the shoot, unless they're out of modelling for good (and this is mostly due to the fact that they got a boyfriend or some shit like that) Models booked thru agency: - 90% come to shoot, however to actually close a deal with retards from agency is a pain in the ass. In my case I manage to get the first-time models pretty stable after the test shoot (in most cases they have never done any modelling job at all before). Here are some tips that I use to reduce the flake effect: Book 1-2 days prior to actual shoot date. Pay a bit over the agreed rate (everyone likes free cash). Book for a decent volume of work (more work per day --> less no show events) The "flaking" happens mostly becuase of these 2 elements imho: - not really up to the job - mentally (first time models who havent posed nude before) - too little cash involved (professionals sometimes agree on booking date, then if they get a better offer on same date from someone else, they cancel the first shooting) Alternatively I see a way to make a 100% no flake model system. Get them all on crack and get permit from the gouverment to license the content shooters for crack resale. Problem will be solved. A shitload of models, no flaking, and the state will make a few bux of the regulated crack industry.

07-07-2006, 09:13 PM	#36
MaddCaz Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 9,483	models suck __________________ BigCocks.com - MatureWomen.com - Tranny.com - DrunkGirls.com - TeenGirls.com - MonsterCock.com and many more... Click here to see them all!

07-07-2006, 09:19 PM	#40
czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,748	Show me the money! Really. Show them that you have the cash. If you are offering 500 show them at least three, and tell them that you are not joking. Just make sure to be safe.

07-07-2006, 09:24 PM	#41
AllStar Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 461	However really the only way to prevent no shows, is to basically build a name for your self. Although I have never seen it done in this industry, it is something that is done in Mainstream and works very well. They hype the shit of a photographer or Director and you are lucky just to work with the person, and if you have attitude or become flakey they will take you completely out of the industry and you can go flip burgers at Burger King.

07-07-2006, 09:55 PM	#44
AaronM GFY Royality ;) Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,922	Hey Brian.....Call me a dough boy if you like but you may want to take a peek in the mirror and realise that you are fat AND old.....well....At least you look way older than me. Love always, Dough Boy

07-07-2006, 10:25 PM	#45
Jim_Gunn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Where The Teens Are Posts: 5,702	I have a pretty low flake and no-show rate. Thankfully most of the girls I book want to work for me because I been around forever and I often film an atttractive new girl several times immediately and sometimes a dozen or more times after that for different projects in some cases. And when they do flake, oh well, thats life. Sometimes I rebook them if they are hot enough, otherwise there's more where she came from. New girls are turning eighteen every day.

07-07-2006, 10:35 PM	#46
Sebastian Sands Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: ICQ: 211-417-740 Posts: 5,223	A chick making 2 k today is very likely to flake tomorrow on a 800 dollar shoot. She has money she doesn't worry untill the money runs out and then she will come begging, unfortunately most producers/photographers will still shoot her. Pussy control... lol

07-07-2006, 11:37 PM	#47
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	it ain't just girls - actually it ain't just adult! we're shooting male non-adult and we still have our share of flakes. models aren't all the most reliable people in the world ;) __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

07-08-2006, 06:40 AM	#49
Chris Corn Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 237	Really good info in here. Soaking it in.... __________________ I shoot video. Corn.Christopher (at) gmail.com ICQ 212-072-421