:1orglaugh I really wonder how you people make it in this world. Unbelievable.

Agreed. I stand corrected. I was referring to PPS. No argument with what you wrote there.

see above :Oh crap :upsidedow :pimp

Don't do it. I'm so glad only a handful of people understand cams. This industries best kept secret.

Haha wake up and quit smoking the sticky stuff.

Actually now that I think about this again; as an affiliate and your competitor, my thoughts still stand. :winkwink:

I'll keep bumping this thread. Making sure new webmaster are fully informed.

Yep, cams are a different cookie, its obvious in this thread who understands them and who doesn't.

No prob, but you'll have to change your sig to 95%

powering bumping... working on post count.

Did Smoky or anyone else defending them find it on the webiste?? I looked and found no mention of 14 days. As someone else pointed out, whales can build over a long time. A normal cam program can takes months to build into a reliable revenue stream.

AWE converts and gets multiple sales when they do but I now see why i am averaging so little per sale and why it did not go up over the 2 months i have pushed them.

he cut that from the websites webmasters questions forum.. from an awe staff member and its been posted on gfy before as well. it isn't clearly stated in the terms , it should be..

would you say you get more initial recurring sales with awe compared to other cam sponsors or less ? whats the average signup worth ?

I wonder if they are going to change their terms or just cut deals with some of their webmasters.

Deals are cheaper. ;)

For existing webmasters, there's little doubt we'd make more if it were real lifetime revshare but the fact is that those that learn to work within the system they have do well.

Argue all you want about it being unfair, etc. etc.
As far as I know, there is no ISO standards for affiliate programs, just because they do it differently doesn't mean they are violating any written code. Some of you act like it's a personal affront to you that they do things against what you're used to!

If their system sucked so bad and was so unfair, why do they have so many happy webmasters? Everyone would just cut and run, sending their traffic somewhere else.

If you try them out, watch your sales for a few months and you really feel you're not making good coin, then bitch all you want. Otherwise, you are pretty much speaking out of ignorance.

Spoken like a true snake. :thumbsup



There are a few people in this thread who obviously have little experience promoting cams, thus their ignorant statements. Let's get one thing straight, unlike regular paysites you can not try cam sponsors out for a little while and go with the one who makes you the most money. That method is not accurate in this case. Promoting cams is a whole different ballgame.

We are not talking about $29.95/mo memberships. These cam sites charge anywhere from $1.50 to $6.00 per minute. In other words, the typical middle class surfer is either going spend very little time in private or shy away entirely. Every industry has products that are targeted towards the wealthy, we've got pay-per-minute cams.

What that means is that you can go through quite a few referrals before getting lucky and having a wealthy guy spend hundreds (or even thousands) per month in private time.

Those "extra" earnings you may think you are getting on a good short term deal are offset by this and then some (or by a lot if you nab a whale).

Nobody is really saying anything about it being unfair, we are simply saying that it should be disclosed to the webmaster as part of their program. I agree, they are certainly able to run their program as they see fit, if you don't like it then don't promote it. If I sign up for any sponsor and promote their revshare option, then the assumption is that you will receive your cut of all recurring billing for life. Obviously because of this I won't be assuming anything anymore.

Ahh... I think they deals are out.

My underground has confirmed.

Don't make me post a screen cap of a compulsive cam customer.

Rev is the best and should always pay for the lifetime of the member. Period.

bump for today

General question about the mechanics of revshare/cookies ... Since deleating cookies is a routine practice for many users isn't this a poor system for long term tracking anyway?

Forgive my ignorance, trying to learn ...

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remember alot of you are the same ass clowns who
say, it's not if they shave, it's how big is the check.

idiot fucking sheep

Most sponsors don't rely on cookie tracking in order to determine what affiliate sent the signups. They do, however, rely on cookies in order to track returning visitors who don't sign up the first time they visit. However, in this case, it seems that AWE do employ the practice of using cookies to determine signups and, in this case, they are only valid for 14 days.

It is and obviously awe knew that when they implemented it :)

I know all about compulsive cam customers, thanks.
And for every one of those guys that spends $5k/month for a year, there's 20 that spend $1k in the first week or so then disappear for good.

I stated above, I don't agree with their reasons for not offering lifetime revshare, but again I'll ask: Point me to any lifetime revshare cam programs that *start* at 30% payout? You get a very nice share, regardless of how many sales you send, and IF you promote them properly you'll re-flag your big fish and end up getting 30% lifetime.

You are not looking at this carefully and clearly you are uninformed about their program. You choose to keep barking at the "it's not lifetime" and ignore the rest of the story. I don't doubt you know the cam market, so do I, and I am telling you from my experience that the payout is good, they convert and it's NOT simply 14 days and *poof*, customer is gone.

Try them out, but do it properly, and if after a few months you still feel like it's a ripoff to you, then fine. Otherwise, you're not really saying anything new or substantial. Let it go.

First of all, nobody should have to do that in the first place to retain customers.
But even if you cobrand it sucks because its not really cobranding its a landing page and from there you surfer will be redirected to livejasmin not to your url. Most of the surfers that signup will bookmark livejasmin directly.

Not saying you're right or wrong, but since they choose not to run their revshare program as lifetime, why wouldn't they inform webmasters about it straight up, without making them run through hoops to find out? Ron contacted me on ICQ and wanted me to understand that they don't advertise their program as lifetime revshare. Which is fine and dandy, no one can argue with that. BUT FUCKING TELL YOUR AFFILIATES STRAIGHT UP! Otherwise it's as deceptive as it can be, short of straight-up lying about it.

It may well be so that this cam program makes people more and it may well be so that, if you know what you're doing, you'll have a cash cow on your hands. But let's face it, MOST PEOPLE DON'T. And it's those people's recurring the sponsor program pockets, since they don't bother informing them straight up. Additionally, arguing that this is something they didn't take into account and make them sound anything short of deceptive weasels doesn't cut it in my book.

They did , you cut that from the awe support forum , for awe members, on the awe website it was pretty clear, you said yourself you werent interested you just thought it was "funny",.

Your question was answered in the thread you cut it from and the post you quoted, not sure what else you want, i think most people will agree it should be in the terms as it is a rev-share program , and most people would assume it means lifetime tracking ( because thats how "most" operate ) , you have been informed of how it works and informed it will be changed so if you want to continue "enlightening" gfy feel free but your just shooting yourself in the foot , as people who promote them know how well awe pays and cookie length is irrelevant.. try them and prove me wrong or bitch and complain and prove nothing .

why would anyone have to weed through a sponsors forum to find out how shady they are???

kevsh do you really think 30% for 2 weeks is better than less percentage for life? right...

How about putting it in CLEAR words, in a place where every affiliate will likely look? How many affiliates, from your experience, visit the support boards of every sponsor? Put it any way you want, this is deceptive, at best.

i totally agree , you dont have to be so abusive about it , as i said i bought up the very same points when i first found them , i was EQUALLY as shocked , i remember my exact words "thats gonna be a hard sell to good cam affiliates" , but its all in how it works for you.. i had my boudts i tried them , they work.. they should be more transparent , i wish all companies were, no use beating a dead horse.. they plan on changing it , and it will likely affect payouts, if you dont like how they operate now just because you are aprehensive of trying a 14 day cookie revshare , give it some time and try them when they have changed and see how it goes..

:thumbsup good idea

See Viktor's reply. :)

Viktors reply is pretty telling

i already said i dont agree with what he said , i dont know viktor , and i think he stuck his foot in his mouth by sharing his personal feelings on one particular area ( rebills when your no longer sending traffic ) , he wasn't referring to rebills in general.. as i mentioned awe will be updating its tracking in the near future and it will make this more of a moot point than it already is.. although not clearly stated , they certainly arent "shady" in their disclosure , they are pretty straight forward. I think everyone agrees it should be on the t.o.s. other than that i think you should really either give them a try or give it a rest.. ( just my :2 cents: )

:thumbsup good idea

i should learn some manners, being disrespectfull to people trying to help is childish , rude and serves no purpose , sorry to anyone i insulted , i was being an ass.

in the future i will try to listen when people give advice instead of shooting my mouth off and making false assumptions.

lol smokey get off my account and post from your own instead