Take my word for it dude, I know its enough :winkwink:
I don't really like how they operate, the 14 day cookie, shitty support
shitty stats.

But the truth is they convert the best so far.
And yes I've send 5k hits too that got me no sales, but it was shitty
traffic. (tgp,galleries and some blogs)
but once I've started sending them quality traffic they convert like 1:30

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what exactly do you want ? i cant give my opinion ? are you calling me a liar ? are you saying 2 people cant have 2 different results ??

What do you think a sponsor is going to tell you " take the other guys word for it and dont promote us " of course they are going to ask you to try and compare because thats the only way to tell isnt it..

Instead of being a dick about it you could simply ask for opinions instead of jumping the gun and assuming the worst because of 1 comment..

Maybe you should use more to judge a company than one response by one person.. and take the time to read what people have written..

btw this topic has already been asked and aswered on gfy , i suggest if you see a post on another forum by a staff member the quickest way for a response is to ask at the forum where you saw the post , especially if the forum is run by the company your asking about.. .

You're right. I mean, after all, since they'll make affiliates money, it does give them every right in the world to pocket the recurring, on their revshare program.

i dont see how you consider it "pocketing" if its cleary explained to you by a staff member.. and had already been answered by a staff member on gfy.. sounds to be like you just didnt understand the terms , and thats understandable..

Most revshare programs have cross sales and they dont pay for those cross sales , so are they scamming you by not paying you rev share on those ? its part of the terms , every site has them..

Like i said earlier , i was quite suprised myself , and i understand the problem your having , but the numbers $$ add up , thats what matters.. try them or dont , but dont playa hate :)

i miss my awempire wales, R.I.P., slaughtered by AWE

As someone who only promotes cams and has been doing so for 7 years, the only reason to promote revshare cams is for the abililty to retain a customer for life.

I consider it deceptive. If it's not true revshare, then don't fucking promote it as such. The only thing that separates this practice from the one of Perfection Jeff is that in this case the terms are there, in the fine print.

AGREED! That's how I always encourage people to look at different program options. Try different prgrams and see which ones do best for YOU. Most program payout structures are variations of a similar equation... They have to be or they A: won't make enough money to offer competitive affiliate payouts and stay in business or B: won't stay in business because they won't make enough money to offer competitive payouts... ;)

If you have the time to play Nancy Drew and discover all the ways some programs are screwing you, go for it! (I genuinely and respectfully mean that! I loved Nancy Drew...) But the vast majority would be better served by experimenting with direct and personal results. :thumbsup

i eat bots for breakfast....50

I dont disagree with you there.. it is a little deceptive..

are most programs decpetive in one way or another ? yes

does AWE try to hide the way it operates ? no

I would find it alor more disconcerning if they didnt publicly disclose this fact on their own support forum..

and despite what the terms are it still boils down to the $$, if they didnt bring in $$ it wouldnt matter how long the cookie was..

Do you want a safe and cozy 50 year cookie and less cash or a short cookie and big cash..

I ALSO respect smart people (like DamageX) asking smart questions! .. I just happen to have (loudly voiced) opinions myself! :thumbsup

...I really am sitting with Smokey here! lol..

Well, it's my wife would call lying by omitting to hold the truth visible. :)

Agreed, still doesn't make it less deceptive. Just do PPS and the issue is out of this world, why call it revshare when it's clearly not?

There's a program which I tested last year for a brief period, which yielded very little at start. I stopped sending them traffic around this time last year. Guess what, my recurring has been piling up like mad since. I'm sure your tests showed that AWE outperforms other programs, short-term. I'm also sure that, when it comes to cams, nothing will beat a good long-term revshare.

There's at least 25 other revshare cam programs, AWE is the only one I know where you don't retain your customer for the life of their purchases. There is nothing you can tell me to convince me that a 14 day cookie program is going to generate a higher $/unique than a lifetime revshare program over a six month period. The whole key to promoting revshare cams is to attract a few whales, if you can't retain them, then they mean nothing to you. I have some streamray customers that are 4 years old and have spent thousands of dollars and are still making me money.

dont get me wrong i would love 5 year cookies , but i would also like a blowjob and a new car with every signup , and that aint gonna happen..

shaving aside ( because shaving is dishonest and not disclosed) it doesnt matter how long the cookies are set , it just matter what you get paid.. , other cam sponsors can provide a longer revshare because they have boring cam girls that are "one show ponies" and wont recurr very long or they load the pages with upsells , there are hundred of things as aly mentioned that they cut you out , but what matters is how much you get paid at the end of the day. i understand your frustrations , but they are misdirected..

Well now... maybe back in 1999 if I'm not mistaken... Oh, don't tell me you didn't promote that program! It was right behind the one that promoted a harley, a blowjob, and a weekend in Amsterdam with every sale!:winkwink:

thi smay or may not be true but certainly isnt true that you retain every purchase made thru the company that made the sale, ( i.e. upsells, toy stores etc )
then i suppose i cant convince you but its true..

example awe has awesome cams with girls that convert ( ppv ) a surfer spends $200 the first 2 days you get $60

other cam sponsor has crappy cam girls that dont entice and surfer never spends more money than the original signup you get peanuts

whoops edit repost

Wanna try apples and apples? :winkwink:

Frustrations? Misdirected? Don't get me wrong, I don't give two shits about AWE to begin with, sponsors (cam or any other) are a dime a dozen. I just found it terribly funny that this is actually happening, in a market segment where recurring spending is the real money maker. But hey, if they can get away with it, more power to them. :)

sponsors like awe arent a dime a dozen , go do some research on cam programs.. they didnt get this far being decpetive , they got this far having great cam girls that sell..

You might find it funny , but if you promote them back 2 back with other sponsors you will also find it profitable, but dont take my word or the words of people who promote them or actually test them yourself , just make an assumption and stick 2 it :thumbsup

p.s. from what i hear they are switching to a new tracking method anyways , making this cookie discussion a moot point , so when they do you can come back and tell us how glad you are it piqued your interest :) and puffed your pocketbook.

I can bet you anytime that the conversion ratio wont be the same after they switch.
heck they pay 30% up to 40% they gotta get their loss back somehow.
guess how.

im sure they will change their payout structure to..

I like it the way it is , i was a little confused at the terms myself , but the proof really is in the pudding. Its sort of like a program that bridges the gap between pps and revshare.. , a revshare program that shows its profits quicker..

It appears you haven't promoted many of the revshare cam programs out there. Your boring camgirl argument is hilarious, go check out some other programs before you comment on them. I agree, what matters in the end is $/unique and there is no way a 14 day cookie revshare program can match the $/unique of a lifetime revshare cam program. AWE does have some nice promo tools, lots of cam models and is a decent program. However, as DamageX said, AWE should call there program a pay per signup as essentially the webmaster has little way of retaining their customer beyond 14 days.

I don't expect you to view things objectively Smokey, I generally find your posts dead on except when it comes to commenting on whomever you are currently promoting in your sig.

The more you post, the more I get the feeling you have hardly ever promoted cams. Almost all of the cam programs promote one thing, cams, there are no other upsells that you continue to elude to. Again, go look at the models of some of the other programs, I can assure you there are programs with much hotter, more enticing cam models than AWE.

care to post the "better" sponsors ? i already stated im new at promoting cams( revshare) but im good at spotting tricks :)

as far as me commenting because of who is in my sig is simply not the case , and awe would be the first to tell you i brought up every single point damage-x did with awe BEFORE i put them in my sig, and on gfy , infact it might have even been my thread..

But hey do as you wish im not trying to sway your traffic , just your opinion..

cam sponsor or porn sponsor it boils down to $$$ , do a fair test and com e back with your results, if they are whack i will admit i was wrong.

Smokey, how can you say awe is the best cam-sponsor when you are new to promoting cams? If you use another cam-sponsor for a year or so you'll get rebills, sure awe might do better short-term for you but dont waste your breath since anyone can do the math... No rebills=less money :thumbsup

You forgot to add "Click my sig". :)

i didnt say they were the best... i said they were the best for ME

and if you asked me i wouldnt say they are the best... they are the best for "some" traffic , others are better for "other" traffic..

So dont waste your breathe misunderstanding what i said because i pointed out what i did for a reason..

you want math

4 rebills in a week at 99.99 is greater than zero rebills in a year.. get it ?

nobody is trying to say they will do better than every cam sponsor with every traffic. thats stupid..

you forgot to post your "better" cam sponsor..

I've done dozens and dozens of tests over the last 6 years with my cam traffic, sending blocks of 10k of quality cam traffic from the same source to multiple cam sponsors. I'm a stats freak and I hate wasting my cam traffic on sponsors that don't produce. AWE has never really fared well in my tests, so I've always directed my traffic to other sponsors who produce me a higher $/unique.

The point of my comments is not meant to bash AWE and I'm not going to use this thread to pump up other sponsors. I thought Damage posed an excellent point, as I can assure you many of AWE's webmasters are unaware of their 14 day cookie policy.

I don't have to. I'm not the biased one, no one in this thread, except you, questioned that. Wonder why. :)

hyuk hyuk , wanna point out how often i have ever said that on gfy before ?

Things can be said without uttering words. :)

lol nope your not the biased one , the one who quoted a rep then asked how to read english.. bitter ? cant provide any "better" sponsors..? wonder why ? :1orglaugh things that make you go hmmmm

only if your hallucinating

I think I know the other cam sponsor :)

I'll tell you why they don't work for me.
First of all, I haven't seen one cent since two months
ago when my payment was due.
Their support is totally useless, all they answer "Its not my department"
They don't work at converting your free users, I'm registered with several
free accounts and in more than 6 months those accounts haven't got
at least one email to remind them to fucking login, pretty obvious they don't
care to make you money.

Don't play dumb, it doesn't become you.