for those who get this far my suggestion is , dont believe me , and certainly dont believe someone who cut something from another forum to ask what it meant on gfy, they might just have their own agenda. :winkwink:

I suggest you believe your own pocketbook by seeing how much cash they bring in.. , do side by side tests , if awe doesnt pay better then dont use them simple as that , anyone who makes it out to be anything more is just looking for a bone to pick or has their own agenda

How can i "claim" they work better for me ?

are you seriously asking me a question so stupid..

i tried A they work better than B thus A is better than B , whats hard to understand about that

go figure..

as i said above , point me to a sponsor and ill give them a shot.. but with the sponsors I have tried they are the best

You're right, that's not a claim. That's a statement.

im not claiming to have tried every sponsor and i certainly am not claiming awe to be better than every cam sponsor out there, they are the best for ME that I have tried. if you cant understand that i suggest a dictionary and an education..

no shit sherlock.. your comprehension skills are improving young jedi.. soon you can master the rest of the thread like a true jedi warrior.

Lol, you said you were new to revshare cams, so you tried one other revshare program and now you are convinced that AWE is the best program for you, if you can't figure out what so misleading about that then its pointless to continue. There have been several other sponsors named in this thread, go try them.

that about sums it up.. other than the fact im not convinced awe is the best for me , they are the best i have tried, i think you and damage just are confused , go read back on page #1 my responses.. im not trying to "sell" awe to people based on MY opinion as a cam affiliate , thats foolish im not a cam "player".. i freely admit that , just stating my opinion on my traffic. no harm in that.

Some sponsors are better than others , if one was the best for everyone then the other sponsors wouldn't last long, awe has been around for a long time and i expect them to continue.. damage started this thread to start shit not to get an answer because the answer was clearly stated and has been several times, if you dont like it use another sponsor, if you want to inform gfy users of how they work , by all means do so , but i have the right to share my opinion..
if you just wanna start shit , then game on..

Thank you, thats all I was trying to get you to say. When you started bashing other programs with comments like "boring camgirls" and tons of upsells, I felt compelled to call you on it. The one thing I've learned in promoting cams over the years is to never get too comfortable and send all your traffic to one sponsor with the assumption that you are maximizing your $/unique. The cam scene has expanded ten fold just in the last 18 months and the webmaster now has more options with his cam traffic than ever before. Hopefully, AWE will be in here soon to clear up the cookie issue, would be great if they would go to permanent tracking as you suggested they might.

Enlightment
 

Gone through the thread with the morning coffee...
Few things to clarify:
Yes AWEmpire is tracking sales with a 14 day expiry cookie for now. No one of AWE ever said otherwise, as far as i know. Looking at stats, it is true for some guys it works like that as a charm for some it doesn't...
I also urge everyone to get out there and try several programs and compare them, nobody said you must stick to one .
My personal opion, as well as some of you guys', it's the $$ at the end of the day what matters. Does it matter if your ride is a V6 or a boxer-flat6 if they get you 0-60 in 4,5 sec. [k, that might be a bit vague as a metaphor]

As mentioned in this thread, sending 1-5-10-100k of uniques of worthless traffic probably won't convert, though i doubt it will convert anywhere else, or that it would convert after 14 days... or 30... or 90... or ever. Quality traffic combined with a knowledge does convert imho, otherwise it would be quite difficult for some people to make 50k sales a period. Just look at the toplist you will find at least two well built trusted TGPs that have earned trust of their surfers over the years, and actually are able to make t $$ with proper traffic.

As for the ever-returning-topic of "made a sale x years ago and still got rebills", it is just not right in my opinion that you get rebills for years after you've pulled the links after some weeks, put up other sponsors or even shut down your site. Don't get me wrong, all i'm trying to say is that i think if one considers himself a webmaster and DOES work a decent number of hours a day, working with a site that does offer anything to surfers, and uses targetted traffic, in the end of the day will make sales.

Ask any of the guys on our main page top webmasters list if they are satisfied are not, im sure the top 50 would be happier if it wasn't the 14 day cookie.
We are by the way in testphase of a database based revs and pps.
Thanks for all the people that work with us and can convert, and sorry for the ones that cant find a way to make sales with crazy amounts of traffic, you're probably better off with another sponsor, another program.

There is no 'ultimate-sponsor' as far as i'm concerned. X sponsor works great for A and sucks for B, while Y sponsor is the other way around.
It's like that, fact. It will always be like that, not a fact but highly predictable.

when i mentioned that i was referring specifically to cam sites that dont have many girls on or the likes and cant produce much revshare, or have upsells that dont give you credit..

This same fact was mentioned earlier and awe said they planned on perm tracking but obviously this will result in a lower payout.. i cant speak for everyones traffic, only for my own , and they do suprisingly well. I highly urge you to try them , if you have and they didnt work out then dont use them , use what works best, take all opinions with a grain of salt and trust those who dont steer you wrong.. i dont give opinions lightly , when i say things and advise people i mean it and stick by it.. if i'm wrong i will be the first to admit it ( i'm just not wrong often :1orglaugh :winkwink: ) . I dopnt put people in my sig because they pay me , i decide who i put in my sig because i like them..

Why not? It was ME who worked on referring that sale, not YOU. If you wanna cash in on the rebills, fine. Do your own fucking sales.

"Don't get me wrong, all i'm trying to say is that i think if one considers himself a webmaster and DOES work a decent number of hours a day, working with a site that does offer anything to surfers, and uses targetted traffic, in the end of the day will make sales."

So one has to promote AWE X amount of hours per day to get rebills? I don't get your reasoning...

lol, nice arguments... we - the webmasters "only" send the signups, why the hell should we get rebills??? silly!

AWE why not start PPS and drop the BS?

Wild guess but... because this way it costs them less? :)

A little bit ummm... obtuse? You are open enough about using short-term cookies: when someone asks. But it isn't mentioned on the front of your site or in your TOS, and it is hardly credible that anyone running a "recurring" program isn't well aware that a 14-day cookie is definitely not what the vast majority of affiliates are expecting.

I'm also curious how it can "work like a charm" for anyone. I believe most affiliates would argue that cookie-only tracking is a poor route in the first place. And since the near universal experience of revshare cam programs is that income builds over time (which is entirely logical, since you keep finding new customers while existing ones continue to spend), it is hard to imagine how anyone can make more money in only 14 days than if they were paid throughout the time a customer remains active.


That is the bottom line, but it shouldn't be the only thing which matters. While not every example of dubious ethics wipes out a sponsor's potential as a money-maker for affiliates, they all reduce that potential.

The greatest effect is that every time we accept doubtful practises, whatever form they take, we send out the signal that they are okay. They proliferate as a result and although not all traffic is sent to appropriate destinations, there must be many times that zero revenue would become positive revenue, if more sponsors were operating entirely honestly.

And such practises are small minded. It's 10 years since online porn began reaching a major global audience, yet we are still the poor relation of the adult entertainment family. One reason has to be that we spend so much time preying on each other, trying to grab a bigger piece of the pie which already exists, instead of being focussed on making the pie itself bigger.

I like the points brought up in this thread, and I can say I was unaware of AWE's 14 day cookie policy.

As was probably the majority of the webmaster community, most of their affiliates included. Which was the point behind creating this thread in the first place.

i was unaware as well, webmasters rarely if ever read the terms of a sponsor. that would mean spending a half hour signing up to every sponsor. i would like to hear an explaination of why AWE doesn't think its 'right' that affiliates should keep getting rebills as long as the customer keeps spending. doesn't make any sense to me. people had a shitfit over a few sponsors in ccbill that were not set to unlimited rebills. whats the diff? yes, webcams are a bit different than regular membership sites but that percentage is still mine, be it today, in two weeks or in two years. you wouldn't of had any of that money either way if not for me or another affiliate. unless they happened to type your url in after cookies expired but you can be sure they found the site initially through an affiliate link, so even with type ins you wouldn't of had the customer without the affiliate.

This is crazy. Like V-rocks, i was going to say of course the sales are lifetime. It does not mention this shortened life anywhere. Not to mention that people clean their cookies. We do not even get the full 14 days in some cases. Nothing on the site about this. And saying i need to read their message board for complaints on how they pay to know the truth does not cut it.

Terms of Service -

How much can I earn?
As a JOYourSelf.com and Livejasmin.com affiliate you will be given a 30% commission for sales that are generated from your link. Referring other webmasters to JOYourSelf.com or Livejasmin.com means that you can earn 5% of their gross revenue.
**[NOTE: Reach over $1500 payout in 1 period (15 days) and we will boost your payout with additional 5%. Go over $3000 payout in 1 period (15 days) and we will boost your payout with additional 10%. These will be calculated from your actual payout at the end of each period. If your payout falls below these numbers in the next period, you will get 30% again.]

The FAQ inside -

Q: Your site says that you pay webmasters up to more than 30 %. What is the minimum? If there's an "up to", there's a "as low as". Can you clarify it?

A: All webmasters start with 30% revenue share. In special cases, we can raise that percentage with 5% of your total payout oreven another 10% of your payout. The rules are the following:

$1500 payout in one period -> 30% + it's 5%
$3000 payout in one period -> 30% + it's 10%

Please note, that the amounts refer to the webmaster payout and NOT the gross sales!

bump for scamming sponsors

they clearly don't make this available when you signup.
I found about it by mistake when someone mentioned in a thread.

Which leads me to ask the following question: They're saying they don't advertise their program as lifetime revshare and don't make a secret of it, yet no one mentions a word of it upon signup, unless you read the fine print. Wonder why that is.

bump for lost rebills

WOW

so the fact that I sent you that customer to begin with gives you the right to shaft me on rebills? You get to keep the recurring on a customer you never would have had if I hadn't sent him to you? What if I hadn't pulled links down and still had your links up, you'd still fuck your clients over like that?

Good to know I'll be spending my day yanking your links.

they are out to get you , and lay alien eggs in your brain ..

Its called marketing, its why dating gold says $5 per email ( even though its highly unlikley you will get $5 ) , its like on your site it says "free design" even though it isnt really free, you have to read the fine print in order to get that deal ,

I have been working the cam game since ClickCash paid $10 and Pornication paid on a scale. That is just wrong. I send in a customer and I expect to be paid on my rev share. You know that a surfer that sign-up for free doesn't necessarily spend money right away. A surfer will spend money on their point of weakness be it a day or a year. You should state on your site clearly that you only pay revshare for only 14 days.

I hope you guys change your crappy policy.

Let him bitch and try to discredit you, that's just what he does, people don't really pay that much attention to that anyways.

"As for the ever-returning-topic of "made a sale x years ago and still got rebills", it is just not right in my opinion that you get rebills for years after you've pulled the links after some weeks, put up other sponsors or even shut down your site."

This is the absolute craziest shit I have ever read on GFY. Unbelievable, I'm speechless.

P.S. To Viktor

I talk to webcam users and models all the time. Every once in a while a whale will ask me where to find some more hot cam models. If I verbally told them a site I don't deserve recurring on whatever he spends? Please! Putting links on MY site is the same, I'm telling MY surfers that they can trust your site and that it's quality. To say I don't deserve rebills because I might take a link down is pathetic.

:thumbsup

I hate pulling links. Nothing personal just a business thing.

Oh so much hate here! Typical.
As a webmaster who pushes AWE let me offer this insight as to why I do, take it for what you will:

1) They do convert. Of course, not everyone agrees, but that's the same with any program.

2) You get 30% revshare and how many other cam programs offer 30% as a BASE? Not to mention the bonus structure.

3) Don't assume that after 14 days ALL of your customers will vanish. Like I pointed out on page 1: If you send via your own site or a co-brand MANY will come back through your site. I KNOW this because I have had customers last for months.

4) Even in a 2-week period some customers drop $1000+ - anyone who promotes cams can tell you that a long-term customer almost inevitably spends more in the first few weeks then gradually slows down over time. You are getting credit when they spend the most.

Lastly, if you don't agree with the reason on why they don't offer lifetime "rebills" then that's fine. Personally, I don't agree with the philosophy but as Vik pointed out, they are soliciting suggestions from webmasters and are planning on alternatives. If you are totally convinced they are "skimming" in one way or another, then nothing will change your mind ... but you can't argue they're giving a lot back ($100K contest and very generous thread here on GFY giving away a LOT of $$$) :)

Bottom line is, instead of wasting all your time hating just don't promote them? It's a pretty easy thing to do :)

I don't promote them although I know several people who might. What is irritating is the fact that it isn't readily available info. The program owner(s) know damn well that affiliates aren't expecting rebills to only work for 14 days nor does it make that clear anywhere. But you know as well as I do that if they wrote "Rebills for 14 days!" on their site they'd have, lets say a "few" less webmasters than they do now. If they are so confident in their payouts just be up front with everyone and work with integrity, not spend 100k that probably came from unsuspecting webmasters to dup others into giving away their most valuable assets.

I am pretty sure they are making behind the scene deals right now. Trying to keep their big traffic sources.
Hmmmm....
I'll bump you to 35%....no I'll bump you 50%
I also leave cookie for life.
deal???

This is the real issue of the thread. I sign up for just about every cam sponsor and at some point throw them some traffic. Having done cams for so long, the natural assumption is that revshare means for the life of the customer because thats been the case with any revshare cam program I've ever signed up for. I don't expect AWE to broadcast their policy, but it should be clearly noted as part of their compensation and in their faq.

Good points Kev, sounds like the co brand option would alleviate the cookie issue. I don't really agree with you though on most revshare customers spending the majority of their money up front. Cams sell because the surfer can directly interact and get to know the models with free chat. Sometimes they take a few days and even a few weeks to do this. When they find that one model that they connect with and really gets them going, they will then go private. I've had surfers spend money week after week for over two years on the same model. Obviously in those situations the model developed a relationship with the surfer and was able to entice them into coming back for more and more.

I don't think the main objective of this thread is to hate on AWE, its just to let them know that they need to be more up front with existing and prospective webmasters. I agree with you, if you don't like their policy, don't whine and bitch and try to get them to change it, just don't promote them.

Why do they have to be upfront about expiring cookies? Since when did expiring cookie duration become a negotiating term for converting traffic?

If you send a sale for an advertised site you get the commision. Fair and simple.

Suggesting multiple chains of conversions are owed to the originating affiliate is about as fair as spyware re-assigning my affiliate cookies as well.

Ugh ? It was the webmaster who got you the customer. Without him, you wouldn't have the customer, so why in hell doesn't he deserve lifetime rev share ?

Remember when a revshare program went pps :winkwink:

Guess you aren't familiar with revshare cams. The webmaster is told that they receive 30% of all revenue earned, nothing is said that this only lasts for 14 days. If I'm promoting a regular adult site on a revshare program, I'm expecting to get a % of recurring rebills for the life of the customer. If the programs fails to tell me that they only pay for the first 2 months of rebills, don't you see that as an issue? There was a huge issue just like this last year when some sponsors were found out to have turned off rebills in their ccbill admin after a set number of months.

I can't believe people are actually defending this practice.

PPS is just that...
Rev Share is for life...

I bet most you guys would bitch if you found out that one of your CCBill affiliate program ended their rebills after a couple of days.

Don't make me post screen cap of my recurring customers.