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SmokeyTheBear · 03-17-2006, 01:09 PM

WTF is up with teflon , i have been hearing stuff for years about how dangerous it is , they are always coming up with some new study showing how dangerous ( cancerous ) it is. Now i hear they have found def links between teflon and cancer , so they plan on "phasing" it out by 2015 ? um wtf

Why do i still see this stuff in stores if it causes cancer and is dangerous .. who the fuck is running this show..

end crazy rant >

GatorB · 03-17-2006, 01:14 PM

yes it is dangerous. In fact you are not supposed to have bird anywhere near your kitchen because they are especially vulnerable. the real danger comes in 2 forms. Using METAL utensils on it thus scraping the Teflon off and cooking on high heat. Too high heat and the smoke your burnt food create will probably contain poisonous chemicals. So basically use plastic utensils and don't cooker higher than Med heat at most.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-17-2006, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

yes it is dangerous. In fact you are not supposed to have bird anywhere near your kitchen because they are especially vulnerable. the real danger comes in 2 forms. Using METAL utensils on it thus scraping the Teflon off and cooking on high heat. Too high heat and the smoke your burnt food create will probably contain poisonous chemicals. So basically use plastic utensils and don't cooker higher than Med heat at most.

well i will keep that in mind.

problem is many of the pans i have and have seen the teflon starts coming off even without metal utensils. i hate to think where those little teflon specks have gone.

Why woudn't they just stop making it.. or better yet a recall

Phoenix · 03-17-2006, 01:27 PM

get an iron skillet

G-Rotica · 03-17-2006, 01:29 PM

Big business wins, little guy loses, especially with Bush in office.

Brujah · 03-17-2006, 01:29 PM

Cast Iron is the shit.

Holly · 03-17-2006, 01:31 PM

I just saw a story a week or two ago on the news about them getting rid of it (in the US, at least).

I believe it mentioned something about the temperature that you heat it up to. Higher temperatures for longer periods are supposed to be bad and let off more of the toxic gasses. When they did studies, rats and mice who were exposed to whatever the chemical/gas is, developed brain tumors. All of which is really lovely, as my father (who has eaten food from Teflon pans probably every day since he and my mom were married) is currently dying from a brain tumor at 55 years old. Just one more thing to make you wonder.

DutchTeenCash · 03-17-2006, 01:32 PM

yeah the bird story is true, teflon isnt that ok, keep in mind to throw out anything covered in teflon thats chipping.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-17-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Cast Iron is the shit.

yah i always like cast iron to , and it works for almost everything . But i like egfs without much grease on them and on a cast iron skillet , they stick

. but it sure aint worth dying of cancer

Shok · 03-17-2006, 01:34 PM

Well there goes my Hot Teflon Dildo business

smack · 03-17-2006, 01:36 PM

i have been saying this for years. teflon is bad news.

i believe it a petro chemical base. who the hell wants that cooking into their food. i strictly cook in stainless steel.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-17-2006, 01:41 PM

its really frustrating when i hear things like this. Everyone ( except dupont ) basically knows this stuff is toxic , but no recall and its still being sold.

Well i guess its no worse than tobacco or alcohol but.. i dont get much of a thrill from teflon. certainly not enough to risk brain tumours or some shit..

gornyhuy · 03-17-2006, 01:44 PM

Fuck!

I hate cooking with cast iron.

OG LennyT · 03-17-2006, 01:46 PM

what about teflon tape????

xclusive · 03-17-2006, 01:51 PM

It's true look at John Gotti he was the teflon don and what did he die of? You got it Cancer

SmokeyTheBear · 03-17-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dvd316

what about teflon tape????

well it seems the problem is with heat and teflon so unless your cooking tape i think your safe ;)

pack · 03-17-2006, 02:54 PM

Cooking with lard/greese/etc is likely worse than cooking with teflon. As long as you don't use super high heat, you'll be fine. Read directions, pick your poison.

onno · 03-17-2006, 03:38 PM

teflon = polytetrafluoroethylene

the most known use is to recover the fright pans. It makes that food doesnt stick in the pan. I also used to in some electric devices as isolator and chemical indutry to recober containers, pipes, pumps, ect. It's used a lot because it's really stable, resitent and non-reactive.
with higth temperatures it degrades, but i think you must raise temperature a lot. also i dont think you will have any diseae with one pan... you will need over expose to flames lot of pans

I made a seach in internet and i found this

Safety

While Teflon itself is chemically inert and non-toxic, Teflon begins to deteriorate after the temperature of cookware reaches about 500 °F (260 °C), and begins to significantly decompose above 660 °F (350 °C). These degredation products can be lethal to small birds, and can cause flu-like symptoms in humans. By comparison, cooking fats, oils and butter will begin to scorch and smoke at about 392 °F (200 °C), and meat is usually fried between 400?450 °F (200?230 °C), but empty cookware can exceed this temperature if left unattended on a hot burner. Over the 40 years non-stick cookware has been in widespread use, there is only one published case of a minor, short-lasting health effect linked to overheating non-stick cookware.[1]

The EPA's scientific advisory board found in 2005 that perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA), a chemical compound used to make Teflon, is a "likely carcinogen." This finding was part of a draft report [2] that has yet to be made final. DuPont settled for $300 million in 2004 a lawsuit filed by residents near its manufacturing plant in Ohio and West Virginia based on groundwater pollution from this chemical. Currently this chemical is not regulated by the EPA.

In January 2006, DuPont, the only company that manufactures PFOA in the US, has agreed to eliminate releases of the chemical from its manufacturing plants by 2015, but did not commit to completely phasing out its use of the chemical. This agreement is said to apply to not only Teflon used in cookware but in other products such as food packaging, clothing and carpeting. DuPont also stated that it cannot produce Teflon without the use of the chemical PFOA, although it is looking for a substitute.

It is noteworthy that PFOA is not part of the finished product of nonstick cookware or bakeware. It is only used during the manufacture of the product and only a trace amount of PFOA remains after the curing process. There should be no measurable amount of PFOA on a finished pan, provided that it has been properly cured.

WDjay · 03-17-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

WTF is up with teflon , i have been hearing stuff for years about how dangerous it is , they are always coming up with some new study showing how dangerous ( cancerous ) it is. Now i hear they have found def links between teflon and cancer , so they plan on "phasing" it out by 2015 ? um wtf

Why do i still see this stuff in stores if it causes cancer and is dangerous .. who the fuck is running this show..

end crazy rant >

FYI: Teflon is the only substance (other than titanium) that can be used inside the body. I dont know the science behind it....but those two are the only things the body doesn't reject.

mrkris · 03-17-2006, 04:16 PM

You can never get iron clean enough though

onno · 03-17-2006, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WDjay

FYI: Teflon is the only substance (other than titanium) that can be used inside the body. I dont know the science behind it....but those two are the only things the body doesn't reject.

he is refereing teflon exposed long time to hight temperatures, i dont think your body will ever arrive to 660 °F (350 °C) and if you can do that, dont worry teflon wont kill, heat will do

Elli · 03-17-2006, 06:02 PM

So what about those cleaning supplies now that have Teflon in them to make the dirt go away? Are we spraying teflon directly into our air now?

sfera · 03-17-2006, 06:03 PM

i use teflon, wont now lol thanks

GatorB · 03-17-2006, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elli

So what about those cleaning supplies now that have Teflon in them to make the dirt go away? Are we spraying teflon directly into our air now?

Are you heating the air in your house to 400+ degrees?

SmokeyTheBear · 03-17-2006, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfera

i use teflon, wont now lol thanks

haha i just tossed mine out too , had a little tiff with my girfriend about it actually . i grabbed all the pans ,and she was like " umm what are you doing " i said " tossing them , teflon causes cancer and fuck this shit " , and she was like " dont throw that one away i like it ", hehe im like " did you not just hear what i said . IT CAUSES CANCER " heh so she agreed , i think some homeless people are going to steal them from mny garbage though.. perhaps i should destroy them.

Elli · 03-17-2006, 06:24 PM

From DuPont's website:

"Human health research on PFOA conducted to date has shown no known health effects.

Based on an evaluation of human health and toxicology studies, DuPont concludes that PFOA exposure does not pose a cancer risk or any health risk to the general public. There is no significant potential for exposure to PFOA from using products made with DuPont materials; hence, there is no risk to consumers."

....

"EPA and its Scientific Advisory Board are studying PFOA, not Teflonhahaha174;.

EPA and its Scientific Advisory Board are working to determine the health risks associated with exposure to PFOA through its presence in the environment. They are not examining the safety of consumer products sold under the Teflonhahaha174; brand. EPA's position: "EPA does not believe there is any reason for consumers to stop using any consumer or industrial related products." Visit the EPA web site for more information. [.pdf]

There are no documented cases of serious or long-term human health effects caused by exposure to fumes from heating cookware coated with Teflonhahaha174; to high temperatures."

...

"In the 40-plus year history of cookware coated with Teflonhahaha174; non-stick, there have been no reported cases of consumers contracting adverse health effects as a result of in-home normal cooking use. Cooks in more than 40 countries around the world have purchased billions of pots and pans with DuPont non-stick coatings for home and commercial use.

There is no scientific basis to support claims that cookware coated with Teflonhahaha174; non-stick causes cancer. There is extensive scientific data, including worker surveillance data, peer-reviewed toxicology studies, and expert panel reports that support this position. "

http://www.teflon.com/NASApp/Teflon/...rd_cancer.html

After Shock Media · 03-17-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

haha i just tossed mine out too , had a little tiff with my girfriend about it actually . i grabbed all the pans ,and she was like " umm what are you doing " i said " tossing them , teflon causes cancer and fuck this shit " , and she was like " dont throw that one away i like it ", hehe im like " did you not just hear what i said . IT CAUSES CANCER " heh so she agreed , i think some homeless people are going to steal them from mny garbage though.. perhaps i should destroy them.

You are paranoid man.
Most high grade teflon pots or pans do not chip or peel. Then everyone should know not to heat them to hot empty or bake in them. Other than that they are safe.
If you wish to throw everything out in your house that may cause cancer we can compile one hell of a list for you.

quantum-x · 03-17-2006, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WDjay

FYI: Teflon is the only substance (other than titanium) that can be used inside the body. I dont know the science behind it....but those two are the only things the body doesn't reject.

What about surgical stainless (GR 316)? What about the high-grade plastics?

Incidently, the charchol from burnt food is a carconogen as well, so which is worse? ;) Heat than pan up and you're doubly fucking yourself :D

GatorB · 03-17-2006, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

You are paranoid man.
Most high grade teflon pots or pans do not chip or peel. Then everyone should know not to heat them to hot empty or bake in them. Other than that they are safe.
If you wish to throw everything out in your house that may cause cancer we can compile one hell of a list for you.

Cast iron cooks better anyways. Let him do what he wants. Actually BAKING in teflon would be safer because most people bake things under 400 degrees and definately under 500 degrees.

I suggest if you buy teflon pans don't be cheap and buy the low cost wal-mart on sale crap. Buy the good stuff. And cook no higher than med to just under medium high. And don't leave the pan empty sitting on the stove while the burner is on. Teflon skillets are good because they have temperature settings on them. Still nothing beats good old cast iron. And if the iron flakes off at least that's good for you.

GatorB · 03-17-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by quantum-x

Incidently, the charchol from burnt food is a carconogen as well, so which is worse? ;) Heat than pan up and you're doubly fucking yourself :D

Doesn't charchol remove poisons from the body? therfore it should be GOOD for you.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-17-2006, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

You are paranoid man.
Most high grade teflon pots or pans do not chip or peel. Then everyone should know not to heat them to hot empty or bake in them. Other than that they are safe.
If you wish to throw everything out in your house that may cause cancer we can compile one hell of a list for you.

this is very true , but i didnt just do it for that reason , hell everything causes cancer, but reading up on some brain tumour studies and this stuff seems pretty dangerous. either way like gatorb said cast iron is way better , they just need to make smooth edged cast iron pots lol.. i have noticed every cast iron pan i have has sharp edges , all the teflon ones have curved bottoms..

After Shock Media · 03-17-2006, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

this is very true , but i didnt just do it for that reason , hell everything causes cancer, but reading up on some brain tumour studies and this stuff seems pretty dangerous. either way like gatorb said cast iron is way better , they just need to make smooth edged cast iron pots lol.. i have noticed every cast iron pan i have has sharp edges , all the teflon ones have curved bottoms..

Look into the ones that are ceramic coated.

quantum-x · 03-17-2006, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

Doesn't charchol remove poisons from the body? therfore it should be GOOD for you.

Different types of charcols.

http://www.rd.com/content/openConten...ontentId=15062
http://www.innvista.com/health/nutri...no/pdamage.htm

The cancerous part here is because there have been damaged proteins in the cooking / charring process.

Grapesoda · 03-17-2006, 07:18 PM

more folks are killed and maimed by beer every year than teflon . . they still sell beer . .

CheeseFrog · 03-17-2006, 07:51 PM

Calphalon One infused anodized cookware > *

lchaim · 03-17-2006, 09:05 PM

Iron and steel is the only way to go, get rid of the chemical crap.

Nuff said.

nekrom · 03-17-2006, 11:05 PM

I cook with metal/iron frying pans/woks/whatnot with no wokkers at all. Add oil + butter shit don't stick, piece of piss to clean and you can seal them (season) by lightly frying up rock salt inthem and whiping clean with paper towel.

What cracks me up the most is those teflon pans with the red dot in the middle, when it glows or some shit it means time to cook. Either people are turning mentaly challanged these days or they don't realise smoke pissing of the pan means it's hot.

-N

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Holly Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jesusland Posts: 10,017	I just saw a story a week or two ago on the news about them getting rid of it (in the US, at least). I believe it mentioned something about the temperature that you heat it up to. Higher temperatures for longer periods are supposed to be bad and let off more of the toxic gasses. When they did studies, rats and mice who were exposed to whatever the chemical/gas is, developed brain tumors. All of which is really lovely, as my father (who has eaten food from Teflon pans probably every day since he and my mom were married) is currently dying from a brain tumor at 55 years old. Just one more thing to make you wonder. __________________ War National Damn Champions Eagle

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03-17-2006, 03:38 PM	#18
onno Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 732	teflon = polytetrafluoroethylene the most known use is to recover the fright pans. It makes that food doesnt stick in the pan. I also used to in some electric devices as isolator and chemical indutry to recober containers, pipes, pumps, ect. It's used a lot because it's really stable, resitent and non-reactive. with higth temperatures it degrades, but i think you must raise temperature a lot. also i dont think you will have any diseae with one pan... you will need over expose to flames lot of pans I made a seach in internet and i found this Safety While Teflon itself is chemically inert and non-toxic, Teflon begins to deteriorate after the temperature of cookware reaches about 500 °F (260 °C), and begins to significantly decompose above 660 °F (350 °C). These degredation products can be lethal to small birds, and can cause flu-like symptoms in humans. By comparison, cooking fats, oils and butter will begin to scorch and smoke at about 392 °F (200 °C), and meat is usually fried between 400?450 °F (200?230 °C), but empty cookware can exceed this temperature if left unattended on a hot burner. Over the 40 years non-stick cookware has been in widespread use, there is only one published case of a minor, short-lasting health effect linked to overheating non-stick cookware.[1] The EPA's scientific advisory board found in 2005 that perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA), a chemical compound used to make Teflon, is a "likely carcinogen." This finding was part of a draft report [2] that has yet to be made final. DuPont settled for $300 million in 2004 a lawsuit filed by residents near its manufacturing plant in Ohio and West Virginia based on groundwater pollution from this chemical. Currently this chemical is not regulated by the EPA. In January 2006, DuPont, the only company that manufactures PFOA in the US, has agreed to eliminate releases of the chemical from its manufacturing plants by 2015, but did not commit to completely phasing out its use of the chemical. This agreement is said to apply to not only Teflon used in cookware but in other products such as food packaging, clothing and carpeting. DuPont also stated that it cannot produce Teflon without the use of the chemical PFOA, although it is looking for a substitute. It is noteworthy that PFOA is not part of the finished product of nonstick cookware or bakeware. It is only used during the manufacture of the product and only a trace amount of PFOA remains after the curing process. There should be no measurable amount of PFOA on a finished pan, provided that it has been properly cured. __________________

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