BIZ THREAD: about cell, psp, and ipod formats

[SteveLightspeed]

My thoughts about cell, psp, and ipod formats

Its the same old content, just a new way of looking at it, or storing it, or jerking off to it?

I started researching all this. There are several cheap, easy-to-find conversion programs that will convert most mpgs, movs, avis, wmv, to these new formats. I've converted a ton of my favorite content to my own gadgets already, its really easy! Not only that, but it looks like some companies are going to offer conversion services for free anyway! Like Yahoo, Google, Guba, others on the way...

I think a person who is tech-savvy enough to own these things:

1) already owns a computer
2) has already surfed for porn on the net and has a ton of their favorite videos and images stored on his harddrive
3) Can fgure out how to convert the formats.
4) Doesn't want to pay AGAIN for the same content when he doesn't HAVE TO!

And think about this -- by opening new sites for the new formats -- companies are forcing you to change your links if you want to try to sell it!

I think we should embrace the fact that our content is wanted on other formats, by ADDING IT TO OUR REGULAR SITES as a value-add. The members find more content to make them remain a member, and you, as an affiliate, get to sell mobile formats as a new selling feature from your EXISTING LINKS.


I'd like to hear other's opinions. I think I must have alot more to learn. If I'm full of shit here, I'd rather know before I commit to a plan. All these things are coming at us quickly. But I know this is going to be an interesting discussion!

Steve Lightspeed

[Rick Latona]

Things that make you go hmmm.

[WiredGuy]

My opinion as a consumer is that I want to pay for content once and be able to transport it onto any format. Ideally, if I bought a movie like Spiderman, I want to be able to watch it on VHS, DVD and PSP for the same fee. Of course we know the business aspect of this already...

WG

[aico]

I added it as an additional service to a site, and didn't make a site that just has ipod videos, I just offer both formats now. I look at it as more of a "service" then i do as content.

People can also easily make a sandwich, but still go to Subway to get one.

[beemk]

i agree, but now that its something new i think if you can send joins to the sites then you misewell do it and make $ off it while you can. thats an excellent idea and i think 6 months or a year from now ipod and psp download formats will be pretty normal just like you can download either wmv or mpeg.

what i would REALLY like to see happen instead of going through all this trouble, is for apple to come out with an ipod video that plays any format.

[kenny]

I don't know how it works.

But I some how managed to get a lightspeed2go signup not to long ago.

It was my first ever signup for phone porn.

[JOKER]

You really gotta be tech-savvy for cell, psp, or ipod ?

Anyway...

I agree and disagree with you:

Of course it makes sense to offer above mentioned formats additionally for your
members convenience and to give your affiliates another marketing
gimmick / posibillity.

But is the target-group that watches mobile content really the same as the
one that sit in front of the avergage computer to enjoy themselves?

I think not.

Mobile Content is great to have and show around, impress others and 'show-off' - in my opinion.

Mobile Content is and will be mostly a mainstream market, this has been
proven in many european countries.

In all reality, who would really pay for adult marterial to only watch it on his
mobile device, yet to 'get off' to it?

I strongly believe that dedicated mobile adult-sites will not be a big hit in any way compared to regular Computer-based adult-sites.

Just my

Steve

[Allison]

I think the adult consumer "could" do a lot of things, but when it comes to porn the demand is always for the most convenient format possible. What format is going to allow them to start jerking off the quickest.

Dealing with conversions seems to target the surfer who has the open minded wife, the knowledge, and time to spend dealing with porn.

~Alli

[Juilan]

I think the portable psp/ipod medium is an incredible viral marketing opportunity for programs. The brand could get on the bus, fly on a plane, lay to rest in a hotel bed or chill at the beach ect ect.
Affiliates could help spread it this way by being enabled with free hosted mobile promo content.

[Allison]

Originally Posted by beemk

i agree, but now that its something new i think if you can send joins to the sites then you misewell do it and make $ off it while you can. thats an excellent idea and i think 6 months or a year from now ipod and psp download formats will be pretty normal just like you can download either wmv or mpeg.

what i would REALLY like to see happen instead of going through all this trouble, is for apple to come out with an ipod video that plays any format.

Agreed. I'm also curious on how Apple will or won't get involved with adult revenue streams.

~Alli

[Kimmykim]

Frankly, with technology where it is right now, selling it on its own is pissing in the wind.

Using it as a value added or retention oriented add-on is the only thing that makes a ton of sense at the moment.

There's my .02

[wedouglas]

I say just ad it to your site. I'm really not sure what kind of additional costs will be associated with these files, but I don't think anyone would really want to pay twice for the same content. Maybe it would just be something to help retention if anything (not that I think it really would with the current state of portable technology, but that is for another discussion) Based on the quality of the content and the current demand, I don't think it would be to difficult or expensive to start putting it out there. See how it does. See if anyone even downloads it. Not like you have to have every single piece of content ready to go psp/ipod.

I think you should also look at age demographics here. Look at the age of your members, the age of the average ipod user, the age of the psp user and sit back for a minute. I think that most people who would want porn on their psp probably wouldn't pay for porn in the first place. I'm a pretty tech savy kid and I wouldnt dream of paying for porn simply because I know where to find it for free. I have a lot of friends who ask me who the hell pays for porn when you can get it all for free. Those same people have ipods and psp's. they show off naked clips to friends at parties and school and they get a quick laugh. thats about it.

The only place I see ipod/psp porn taking off is in the asian market, and for obvious reason.

[RRRED]

Originally Posted by Allison

Agreed. I'm also curious on how Apple will or won't get involved with adult revenue streams.

~Alli

Well call em up Alli!!

Hey chica I gotta run something by you tomorrow or whenever you got a chance I lost a load of icq numbers so can you ding me?

[SteveLightspeed]

Don't you also think that all these devices are working hard to have fully functional WEB BROWSERS, that can download and play it all ANYWAY? There is too much money for them NOT to pursue that. Its only a matter of time!

Steve Lightspeed

[wedouglas]

Originally Posted by Allison

Agreed. I'm also curious on how Apple will or won't get involved with adult revenue streams.

~Alli

They wouldn't dare. Have you ever seen a major mainstream corp hit adult?

[Kimmykim]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Don't you also think that all these devices are working hard to have fully functional WEB BROWSERS, that can download and play it all ANYWAY? There is too much money for them NOT to pursue that. Its only a matter of time!

Steve Lightspeed

But they've got to have browsers that can display things the way they're written in the html for that to work... Blackberry, Sidekick, Treo, etc still have trouble with a lot of html formats, especially with images.

[wedouglas]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Don't you also think that all these devices are working hard to have fully functional WEB BROWSERS, that can download and play it all ANYWAY? There is too much money for them NOT to pursue that. Its only a matter of time!

Steve Lightspeed

That isn't the point though. The question is whether or not you can sell porn specifically for a PSP or Ipod.

[nastyboy1]

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

Frankly, with technology where it is right now, selling it on its own is pissing in the wind.

Using it as a value added or retention oriented add-on is the only thing that makes a ton of sense at the moment.

There's my .02

Agreed. We are beginning to add this content to Brandi's site simply as a benefit to the members. They seem to love it.

Obviously there are ways to monetize this type of content and thats where we will spend time utilizing the formats. (free podcasting sites, mobile sites, vid casting sites etc..)

[wedouglas]

I would edit that post if I could, because I think we are on the same page and I misinterpretted something. So nevermind that last one.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by wedouglas

That isn't the point though. The question is whether or not you can sell porn specifically for a PSP or Ipod.

I tried to download content over my cell phone, it was a complete pain in the ass! I kept thinking, why can't I just pull this off the web and load it myself?

[BrettJ]

OMG a BIZ THREAD!!!!!!

anyway. i'm actually with both sides on this.

sell direct targetting ipod consumers AND make sure to plug it in as an extra benefit (not feature) to the memberhsip

[wedouglas]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

I tried to download content over my cell phone, it was a complete pain in the ass! I kept thinking, why can't I just pull this off the web and load it myself?

Well, you still have to think about the point of the unit. Being able to do something and wanting to do something are totally different. My Pocket PC can do a lot of cool things, but I simply don't use them. I just have no use for them. I once showed a guy I know ******* and Goatse for kicks. That was the extent of my multimedia usage. For most PSP users, I think you'll find that they use the web for specific information or stuff for the PSP rather than multimedia content. The guy who has videos on his PSP probably downloaded them at home then stored them on the PSP. This is becasue he finds the content when he is browsing. People browse on a PC. People dont browse on a mobile device. They just aren't ideal for it. They come in handy when you need specific information.

Same goes for people with cell phones. Most people I know who use the web on their phones look up information, not pictures and videos. I'm sure they would be frusturated if they tried to use TawneeStone.com , however, I don't see that happening because the situation would never arise.

[toddler]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Don't you also think that all these devices are working hard to have fully functional WEB BROWSERS, that can download and play it all ANYWAY? There is too much money for them NOT to pursue that. Its only a matter of time!

Steve Lightspeed

Mail in your inbox for you Steve....

[kaktuz]

how bout u just buy 1 converter app and LICENSE it so it will be yours and give it for free to your members.... wats the point of having same stuff online in 50 diffrent formats, dont forget new gadgets comming to the market in "lightspeed" if u want to be the one with them all on board ull
need 43989123843284 servers . and im sure its useless.

offer them as a good host this proggy! and tell them now u can CONVERT whatever content YOU want to any format YOU want ON YOUR OWN, isnt it smarter/cheaper then just having same content online in gazillion formats?

just my 2c!

[RogerV]

I totally agree with you and making it happen as an addition to our sites and there membership no extra charge.....

[Persignup Dustin]

PSP Max Media manager is a good converter to mp4 that plays on PSP and Ipod...only $20

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by kaktuz

how bout u just buy 1 converter app and LICENSE it so it will be yours and give it for free to your members.... wats the point of having same stuff online in 50 diffrent formats, dont forget new gadgets comming to the market in "lightspeed" if u want to be the one with them all on board ull
need 43989123843284 servers . and im sure its useless.

offer them as a good host this proggy! and tell them now u can CONVERT whatever content YOU want to any format YOU want ON YOUR OWN, isnt it smarter/cheaper then just having same content online in gazillion formats?

just my 2c!

sounds like a great idea if its made for dummies

[wedouglas]

Originally Posted by kaktuz

how bout u just buy 1 converter app and LICENSE it so it will be yours and give it for free to your members.... wats the point of having same stuff online in 50 diffrent formats, dont forget new gadgets comming to the market in "lightspeed" if u want to be the one with them all on board ull
need 43989123843284 servers . and im sure its useless.

offer them as a good host this proggy! and tell them now u can CONVERT whatever content YOU want to any format YOU want ON YOUR OWN, isnt it smarter/cheaper then just having same content online in gazillion formats?

just my 2c!

You could just let them decide, however, then what is the point really? They can do it on their own. There is no incentive.

[RAM]

more ways to watch more ways to sell

[Doctor Dre]

Steve, we all know how people are always trying to go for the quick buck with the new trend...

Ipod formats are sellers, and I'm sure adding it to a normal site would prolly help the convertions a little ;)

[jimmy-3-way]

I dunno about the place to put it. But this I do know: I asked 50% of the people on my ICQ list if they have a video iPod or a PSP and the only person who answered yes was Porno Paul. And he doesn't even use it, though he did show me an amateurallure.com trailer he ripped for it and it looked great for being so small.

Hmmn, a chick once said that about Little 3way.

[Doctor Dre]

Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

I dunno about the place to put it. But this I do know: I asked 50% of the people on my ICQ list if they have a video iPod or a PSP and the only person who answered yes was Porno Paul. And he doesn't even use it, though he did show me an amateurallure.com trailer he ripped for it and it looked great for being so small.

Hmmn, a chick once said that about Little 3way.

Us adult webmasters prolly don't need as many gadgets as we mostly work from home and have access to a computer at pretty much anytime... who would want to watch vids on a small screen when you have a bigger one in front of you with a big sound system.

[jimmy-3-way]

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

Us adult webmasters prolly don't need as many gadgets as we mostly work from home and have access to a computer at pretty much anytime... who would want to watch vids on a small screen when you have a bigger one in front of you with a big sound system.

Dunno man, who has more disposable income for gadgets than a webmaster? Within reach of me I have a PSP, a Gameboy Advance, a camera phone, a Sony Dicsman, a Fuji handheld cam and an iPod. And I'm not even a gadget freak.

[WWC]

Originally Posted by aico

I added it as an additional service to a site, and didn't make a site that just has ipod videos, I just offer both formats now. I look at it as more of a "service" then i do as content.

People can also easily make a sandwich, but still go to Subway to get one.

Or you can simply get any format you want when you pay for license of content from WorldWideContent.com

[foolio]

Originally Posted by Persignup Dustin

PSP Max Media manager is a good converter to mp4 that plays on PSP and Ipod...only $20

The 'Video Vault' program is a much better program for converting

I think if you offer it as an extra on the site you will just be saving the surfer a step or two. If they own one of these items chances are they know how to do the basic stuff (and really, converting is basic stuff). I have a 1 gig mini-sd card on my windows smart phone loaded with 1 movie a bunch of mucic vidoes and other movies. I also have a 2 gig stick on my PSP loaded with the same things (not same files, but movies, videos, etc).

[emthree]

Mobile content is partially the future and mostly just hype.
IMO all that ipod porn is just a load of overhyped nonsense.

Quality, best-bang-for-the-buck mobile media will sell. People will pay for the time saving qualities of your product, provided you have your own software. Eventually some of those members will wise up, and start converting "stolen" content on their own. So I guess it's a 50/50 market. You win some, and you loose some.

[V_RocKs]

Downloading content over a cell phone is a big waste of time... Most phones in the US can only download at 14 to 19K a second... It'd take eons to get a movie long enough to jack off to.

I think you have the right idea. But I'd make an upgraded members area for a very low price. Like $2.99 a month and it'd have all this shit ready to download. Even have a polling area were the consumer can request which videos you do next. Now you have a surfer who is feeling like a part of your team and those are typically the ones that stick around the longest. Not to mention they are getting exactly what they are asking for.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I have found other uses.

[Tat2Jr]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

I think we should embrace the fact that our content is wanted on other formats, by ADDING IT TO OUR REGULAR SITES as a value-add. The members find more content to make them remain a member, and you, as an affiliate, get to sell mobile formats as a new selling feature from your EXISTING LINKS.

Almost have all my members area videos converted to the ipod format for Michelle's site already. Added bonus for members/affiliates. Agree completely.

[Murderous]

Can we get some programmers onto making some live converters? So we can save on space by allowing the surfers to click "convert to psp" or "convert to ipod now" right next to the "download full video" links...

Just a suggestion, but Steve is right about the members retaining more if we eliminate the task of converting the files themselves. And as he said, the converters are generally small and easy to use, so making a simple PHP module for apache wouldn't be that hard... look where imagemagick and the GD mod got us ;)

[SteveLightspeed]

Any other opinions?

[Yanks_Todd]

Well, although I understand that it certainly would be a fantastic service to the surfer to add the additional formats. I also see these additional formats as a new revenue stream. For example what if Hustler had given all their current magazine subscribers free web access to their pay site in the late nineties? New format = New opportunity.

I just noticed that Yanks.com just went over 50% high bandwidth users a month or so ago, so I feel as though offering those people the content in the additional formats you mentioned as well as a full screen high rez video format is a great opportunity for an all vid site. I believe those +50% are the types that are willing to spend $40 a month on a premium adult video service.

Concerning the cell/mobile format, the carrierhahaha8217;s fees, marketing fees as well as the technology needed for delivery would hold me back from giving that away to current members. I think any pay site should be improved upon and grown with no additional cost to the surfer, but I also believe major changes in delivery should be capitalized on. Great conversation.