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Johny Traffic 07-23-2005 01:28 PM

200 bullets in the head

alexg 07-23-2005 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Johny Traffic
infact just the opposite. Ken Livingsone was elected because his own party completely fucked up the election process. But you over the last few days have continuosly attacked a country that has supported you over the last 40 years.

I haven't attacked your country.
I only pointed out some of it's leaders' hypocrisy...

and I would expect some of you to understand it and agree as grown up people and not whine about it like kids starting with arguments like "if it wasn't for my country, you're country wouldn't exist"...

directfiesta 07-23-2005 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
You are absolutely correct. They should just start picking out dark skinned, turban wearing people . . . because they might be terrorists.

Absolutely fucking right ... and if they aren't, they could become one .... :winkwink:

alexg 07-23-2005 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Johny Traffic
So you hate the English as well as the palestinians?

I think I've lost you :2 cents:

what were you trying to ask and what does it have to do with the argument?

thaifan99 07-23-2005 01:31 PM

....and by the way...my dicks not bigger than yours!

Gunni 07-23-2005 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by alexg
something like that...

but they were illegal occupiers before that anyways right? :1orglaugh

yeah, kind of like squtters :winkwink:

All I am saying is that you are comparing apples and oranges, mistakes heppen, but when they happen time and time again are they still mistakes?

If you were to lock your self out of your house every day of the week would that be a mistake or would you just be stupid? (or have a huge crush on the locksmith)

Johny Traffic 07-23-2005 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexg
I think I've lost you :2 cents:

what were you trying to ask and what does it have to do with the argument?

Whats that got to do with hindus wearing turbins? Or was that just complete bollocks you was talking?

directfiesta 07-23-2005 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic
So you hate the English as well as the palestinians?

He only loves Israel.... everything else is shit.

Obsession....

alexg 07-23-2005 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunni
yeah, kind of like squtters :winkwink:

All I am saying is that you are comparing apples and oranges, mistakes heppen, but when they happen time and time again are they still mistakes?

If you were to lock your self out of your house every day of the week would that be a mistake or would you just be stupid? (or have a huge crush on the locksmith)

so you're saying this was a one time mistake by the british police?

well let's wait for more "mistakes" by the western world as terrorists continue to bomb... they will come :)

alexg 07-23-2005 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Johny Traffic
Whats that got to do with hindus wearing turbins? Or was that just complete bollocks you was talking?

Now I lost you completely...

You asked if I hate the English people just as the Palestinians, so to respond:

I don't hate any nationality or ethnical group as a whole. I'm not racist.

And of course I don't hate the English. I actually like them a lot for the most part.

But I can almost say I hate ken livingstone. and I also don't like jack straw too much...

Gunni 07-23-2005 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexg
so you're saying this was a one time mistake by the british police?

well let's wait for more "mistakes" by the western world as terrorists continue to bomb... they will come :)

so far it was a one off.
I just hope the police doesn't become too carefull and hesitate to shoot a real suicide bomber because of this.

I think they did the right thing, but I don't think Isreal does the right thing in many cases when they kill people that are terrorists...
Simply because they also kill people they didn't meen to kill, there's a big difference.

But hey, I can understand how things have evolved in our country, I wouldn't want to live with this constant danger of terrorism either, and they have to be cracked down on hard. But blowing up appartment buildings to kill one man is just making the situation worse, and giving the terrorist an easy way to recruit. There is hard, and there is over the top, and I think Isreal does go over the top in many ways.

Johny Traffic 07-23-2005 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexg
Now I lost you completely...

You asked if I hate the English people just as the Palestinians, so to respond:

I don't hate any nationality or ethnical group as a whole. I'm not racist.

And of course I don't hate the English. I actually like them a lot for the most part.

But I can almost say I hate ken livingstone. and I also don't like jack straw too much...

Yep you lost me. What the fuck has any of this got to do woth muslims now wearing turbins? But your not alone in hating Ken Livingston and Jack straw, most people think they are wankers. Plus they hate each other too

alexg 07-23-2005 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Johny Traffic
Yep you lost me. What the fuck has any of this got to do woth muslims now wearing turbins? But your not alone in hating Ken Livingston and Jack straw, most people think they are wankers. Plus they hate each other too

ok man, you win on the 'muslim turbins' argument. so be it :1orglaugh

Johny Traffic 07-23-2005 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by alexg
ok man, you win on the 'muslim turbins' argument. so be it :1orglaugh

Ok, what Im trying to get at is Ken Livingston does not speak for the British public, he speaks for Ken Linvingston

baddog 07-23-2005 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD
Shhh, don't say that. He did NOTHING wrong, NOTHING. It was MURDER...


Well, according to some on here anyway... :disgust


He was on the ground, and executed. Sounds like murder to me. What would you call it?

alexg 07-23-2005 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic
Ok, what Im trying to get at is Ken Livingston does not speak for the British public, he speaks for Ken Linvingston

ok.. it's just interesting to see how he will comment on this occasion.
according to HIS ideology, he should even resign from his position after such event. If he doesn't do that or at least some other move then he's just a hypocrite fuck...
that's all I'm trying to say... I'm not critisizing the London Police...

Relish XXX 07-23-2005 02:05 PM

I love it how people that dont live in London are breaking balls about this. It is not them who have armed police around their stations all the time.

The guy jumped a turnstyle infront of police and got shot.

Fucking retard deserved to have bullets put in him. If he didnt realise what would happen to him if he pushed past a search point it is best he is taken out of the human gene pool.

I just hope his mother is charged for the bullets for bringing suck a retard into the world.

baddog 07-23-2005 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thaifan99
the dead man was BRAZILIAN!


Oh, no loss then I guess </sarcasm>

Relish XXX 07-23-2005 02:06 PM

Why should Ken Livingston retire? I think the guy has done a great job.

Johny Traffic 07-23-2005 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relish XXX
I love it how people that dont live in London are breaking balls about this. It is not them who have armed police around their stations all the time.

The guy jumped a turnstyle infront of police and got shot.

Fucking retard deserved to have bullets put in him. If he didnt realise what would happen to him if he pushed past a search point it is best he is taken out of the human gene pool.

I just hope his mother is charged for the bullets for bringing suck a retard into the world.


exactly :2 cents:

baddog 07-23-2005 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Relish XXX
Withouth the British Israel would not exist. We could have alos quite easily sided with Germany in World War II and let you all burn but we didnt.


wow . . . and I thought you were smarter than that . . . .my bad

thaifan99 07-23-2005 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
He was on the ground, and executed. Sounds like murder to me. What would you call it?

self defense.............. he had garlic breath!!

baddog 07-23-2005 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Relish XXX
Fantastic. Always remember who let you live.

http://www.freep.com/art/1998/oct/04...eland_flag.jpg

Johny Traffic 07-23-2005 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog
He was on the ground, and executed. Sounds like murder to me. What would you call it?

OK so apart from muslims now not wearing turbins I will explain once more what happened to the non turbin wearing muslim.

The special forceses followed him leaving the house of the suspects who failed to bom London the day before.

the suspect wh left the suspected terrorist house went to the underground wher other terrorists have n=murdered innocent people over the last week, The police tride to stop him entering the subway system. The suspect jumped over the big turnstyle and security check and the run into the crowed. The police then souted "Stop ot I will shoot" The suspect then started to try and get on a train where only the day before terrorists tried to murder people. The police the killed him.

Clear enough? Do you now know that 2 billion muslims dont wear turbins and 1 billion hindus do? Or do you still think that anyone with brown skin is a turbin wearing muslim?

Relish XXX 07-23-2005 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

We killed most of them as well. I still remember when Margret Thatcher had 3 of them executed in Gibralter.

The IRA are so pretty.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/65000/...funeral150.jpg

Relish XXX 07-23-2005 02:22 PM

http://www.rcgfrfi.easynet.co.uk/lar...r/motr-cel.jpg

This shoot to kill policy stopped a car bomb going off.

SmokeyTheBear 07-23-2005 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog


Remind me to never hire you as part of an occupying force if rocks will make you move your tank.

reminder to baddog , dont ever hire me to occupy someone else's land. :) :winkwink:

Relish XXX 07-23-2005 02:32 PM

IRA Members shot dead during the shoot to kill policy. The British dont fuck around.

A list of those shot dead by British Army and RUC, August 1982-December 1986

Name Summary Date Place
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eamonn Bradley Taken to wasteground by
British soldiers and 25/8/82 Derry
shot in the head.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ron Brennan Shot by RUC in course of
post office robbery. 29/9/82 North
No shots fired at RUC. Belfast
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gervaise McKerr Shot dead by RUC in 1 1/11/82 Lurgan
Eugene Toman planned ambush.
Sean Burns 109 shots fired at car.
Three RUC men charged with
murder of Toman and acquitted
by Judge Gibson who praised
them for bringing the three
IRA men to 'the final court
of justice'.
Subsequent RUC cover-up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Tighe Shot by RUC in stake out 24/1 1/82 Portadown
of barn. No warning.
Companion critically
wounded.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Seamus Grew RUC ambush. Operation 12/12/82 Armagh
Roddy Carroll carried out by RUC HQ's City
SAS-trained Special Mobile
Support Unit (E4A). Trained
for 'firepower, speed,
aggression'.Four of the
shots which hit Grew were
fired at a distance of 30-35
inches. A subsequent cover-up
was initiated by senior RUC
officers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Patrick Elliot Shot dead at close range 27/12/82 West
after unarmed robbery. Belfast
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Francis McColgan Shot by RUC during car 19/1/83 South
chase. Belfast
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eugene McMonagle Lined up against wall and 3/2/83 Derry City
shot by plain clothes
soldier.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
William Millar Shot by RUC undercover 16/3/83 South
squad. Belfast
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Anthony O'Hare Shot by RUC 400 yards from 26/7/83 Lurgan
scene of alleged crime. 20
shots fired by RUC.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Martin Malone Shot at point blank range. 30/7/83 Armagh
Sitting with friends on City
wall, verbal exchanges with
UDR patrol.UDR man charged
with murder, acquitted.
Charged with manslaughter,
acquitted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thomas (Kidso) Shot by British Army during 9/8/83 West
Reilly questioning on street. Belfast
Soldier convicted and served
only two-and-a-half.years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Adrian Carroll Shot by UDR in disguise. 8/11/83 Armagh
(Brother of Roddy Carroll
- see above.)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Brigid Foster 80 years old. Shot whilst 28/11/83 Tyrone
collecting pension during
RUC stake-out operation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Colm McGirr SAS stake-out operation. 4/12/83 Tyrone
Brian Campbell 50 shots fired by SAS.
McGirr hit at least 13 times.
SAS refused to appear at inquest.
Medical help not called for
1 1/2 hours.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tony Dawson Shot by RUC officer 'in a 12/12/83 Belfast
temper'.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Marron Shot by British Army whilst 30/1/84 Belfast
'joy-riding'.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Declan Martin Undercover SAS operation. 21/2/84 Dunloy
Henry Hogan Witnesses saw Martin and
Hogan wounded and then shot
dead as they lay on the ground.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Relish XXX 07-23-2005 02:33 PM

Seamus Shot by RUC during 14/5/84 Larne
Fitzsimmons attempted robbery.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
William Price Shot by SAS using pump- 13/7/84 Arbue
action shotguns in
undercover operation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
John Downes Shot in chest with 12/8/84 West
plastic bullet at point Belfast
blank range during peaceful
demonstration. 236 plastic
bullets fired by Army/RUC.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fred Jackson Shot by Army in crossfire 19/10/84 East
between Army and IRA in Tyrone
Army undercover operation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Antoine MacGiolla Shot by SAS. Beaten then 2/12/84 County
Brighde shot in back as he lay on Fermanagh
the ground. Ten bullets
fired into him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Daniel Doherty Shot in undercover 6/12/84 Derry City
William Fleming operation by SAS whilst
riding a motor cycle in
grounds of hospital in
Derry. 60 bullets fired, no
warning.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sean McIlvenna Shot in RUC undercover 17/12/8A Moy
operation
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Paul Gerard Shot by UDR while 15/1/85 West
Kelly 'joy-riding'. UDR Belfast
continued to fire point
blank into car after it
had stopped.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gerard Logue Shot by RUC while ' 7/2/85 West
'joy-riding Belfast
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Charlie Breslin Shot dead by British Army. 23/2/85 Strabane
David Devine Fired on without warning.
Michael Devine 200 shots fired.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Martin Love Shot in head by UDR/British 8/4/85 Toome-
Army, then four more times bridge
whilst on ground.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Francis Bradley Shot once in back of 18/2/86 Toome-
head whilst on ground bridge
in undercover SAS operation.
His killing was culmination
of campaign of harassment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Keith White Shot by RUC. First 31/3/86 Portadown
Protestant killed by
plastic bullet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sean McElwaine One of the 38 escapees 26/4/86 Rosslea
from H-Blocks in 1983.
Shot dead by SAS in
undercover operation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
James McKernan Shot in back by British 14/9/86 Ander-
Army. sonstown
----------------------------------------------------------------------
These figures have been compiled from various sources. We would like
particularly to acknowledge the information from the Irish Information
Partnership (contained in Irish Information Agenda, 1987, 'Civilians
Shot Dead in Disputed Circumstances'). There is no complete list of
shoot-to- kill operations since the end of 1986. However two infamous
incidents should be noted:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eugene Kelly Eight IRA men and one 8/5/87 Loughgall
Tony Gormley civilian shot dead in
Padraig McKearney SAS/RUC undercover operation.
Gerard O'Callaghan Four who surrendered were shot.
Seamus Donnelly Two civilian carswhich drove
Jim Lynagh into the ambush were raked with
Paddy Kelly fire. In one car, Anthony Hughes
Declan Arthurs was killed and his brother, Oliver,
Anthony Hughes was seriously wounded.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Aidan McAnespie Shot by British soldier 21/2/88 Aughnacloy
whilst on his way to
football march. Army claim
accident. Aidan had long
been harassed and threatened
by Army.
-----------------------------------------------------------------

baddog 07-23-2005 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic
The special forceses followed him leaving the house of the suspects who failed to bom London the day before.

the suspect wh left the suspected terrorist house went to the underground wher other terrorists have n=murdered innocent people over the last week, The police tride to stop him entering the subway system. The suspect jumped over the big turnstyle and security check and the run into the crowed. The police then souted "Stop ot I will shoot" The suspect then started to try and get on a train where only the day before terrorists tried to murder people. The police the killed him.


So, England doesn't believe in due process? Maybe the French were right. Heard of the Magna Carta?

Johny Traffic 07-23-2005 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
So, England doesn't believe in due process? Maybe the French were right. Heard of the Magna Carta?

We believe in not letting people blowing us up.

Have you looked up the turbin thing yet or do you want to carry on showing your ignorance? Maybe we need someone with more posts to post about turbins, as we know you love to arse lick high count posters

Relish XXX 07-23-2005 02:42 PM

The IRA once shot dead two tourists in Holland believing them to be British soliders.

Seems your little army makes a few mistakes as well.

mardigras 07-23-2005 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
He was on the ground, and executed. Sounds like murder to me. What would you call it?

If it were anything else the government would have not issued an appology.

mardigras 07-23-2005 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD
What if he was a bomber, and they had the chance to kill him, but didn't and it resulted in the deaths of around 20 people ??

They should run PSAs on the TV and Radio stations over there... "Dress inappropriately for the weather around others and you may be shot. Don't do it." :upsidedow

Lev 07-23-2005 03:12 PM

Oh please, what about Israel's "target" assassinations, that kill the target and like 10 innocent people around him

Relish XXX 07-23-2005 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mardigras
They should run PSAs on the TV and Radio stations over there... "Dress inappropriately for the weather around others and you may be shot. Don't do it." :upsidedow

He jumped a turn style infront of armed police at a time when we are having suicide bombing.

Would you jump a turn style to get onto a train infront of armed police officers? Every London station now has armed police at the entrances searching people.

What part of he showed more than enough signs that he was a suicide bomber dont you understand?

I am glad the stupid fuck is out of the human gene pool and just hope he hadnt reproduced any kids who would be equally fucking stupid.

David! 07-23-2005 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta
He only loves Israel.... everything else is shit.

Obsession....

Pierre, Pierre, Pierre, if somebody has an obsession, it is surely you my dear Pierre, who just can't stop talking about your hate for Israel and iBill...

mardigras 07-23-2005 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relish XXX
He jumped a turn style infront of armed police at a time when we are having suicide bombing.

Would you jump a turn style to get onto a train infront of armed police officers? Every London station now has armed police at the entrances searching people.

What part of he showed more than enough signs that he was a suicide bomber dont you understand?

I am glad the stupid fuck is out of the human gene pool and just hope he hadnt reproduced any kids who would be equally fucking stupid.

This story is evolving so much that everything you say above may be changed by tomorrow. Armed police? I thought they were undercover. Maybe the guy was paranoid anyway and the sudden appearance of someone following him with weapons freaked him out. They said they followed him from a house.

So are you saying they should pop anyone that meets enough of the signs that they might be a suicide bomber? If so, it shouldn't be necessary once they have them on the ground. Why defend what they did when they are appologizing for it themselves?

baddog 07-23-2005 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relish XXX
What part of he showed more than enough signs that he was a suicide bomber dont you understand?


yet, oddly enough, he wasn't

David! 07-23-2005 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relish XXX
He jumped a turn style infront of armed police at a time when we are having suicide bombing.

Would you jump a turn style to get onto a train infront of armed police officers? Every London station now has armed police at the entrances searching people.

What part of he showed more than enough signs that he was a suicide bomber dont you understand?

I am glad the stupid fuck is out of the human gene pool and just hope he hadnt reproduced any kids who would be equally fucking stupid.

It's funny how when your "people" commit a deadly blunder like that, you come out in force and defend them.
But then again, you're the first one to criticize anything the US police forces do :2 cents:
I do however agree with you, that the dude who got shot was a real fucktard to run from the police like he did in a state of emergency like in London now...


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