i knew that was coming... :)

mind pointing out the hypocracy in what said ?

Sure ya have.
How is a rock thrower weilding child not armed?

a week ago an Israeli soldier died after being hit with a stone and fall of a terrace... but you never link to these articles...

and why when it's an IDF mistake you do blame the IDF, but when it's a London Police mistake you say and I quote "I don't blame them"?

You cant take both sides of the fence my friend..

The cops follow orders , just like IDF. The cops chasing him dont know anything but that he is a suspected terrorist in a bulky jacket, ignoring orders trying to board a subway.

It was a tragic mistake, BUT given the same circumstances i cant really say they should have done things differently..

Scotland Yard confirm : was an error http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/homepage/int...uk/4711021.stm

I dont think it is harsh. Everyone knows what is happening in London at the moment. Even if he was semi-retarded and deaf he would still realise that we are being hit by bombers.

I get ont he train everyday and I dont get shot, just like millions of others. When there are armed police at the entrances to most London stations and they say stop you dont run.

I would rather that guy dies and I know for definite that my train doesnt have a bomb on it. I dont have the time for deaf retards running past people check points and the police not shooting them. He could have had the bomb strapped to him and been running to the platform for maximum death toll.

Fuck him.

Because you never said " the idf has never been hit with a stone"

I never blamed the idf at all , your taking things a little far . In most of the IDF cases i DONT think its their fault in any way.

I dont blame the individual officers , just as much as i dont blame idf when they mistakenly kill civilians..

You would kill a smalll child with a machine gun , because he is throwing rocks at you ? come on now get real...

http://arabic.cnn.com/2002/middle_ea...y.baby.jpg.jpg
http://home.att.net/~professorboris/SPECTRE/7yrold6.jpg
http://www.kjbbn.net/baby_bomber.JPG

http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Picture...i-with-son.jpg
http://www.terrorists-suck.org/fight...kid_bomber.jpg

Oh and trust me these kids want to kill you too Smokey.

well ok then

i must have got the wrong impression...

when i was 7 i hated and loved whatever my parents did.

The fact that you don't blame the British cops, but I was under the impression that you do blame Israeli soldiers in similar cases (even less serious cases because in this case we're talking the middle of London, not a militarized area)...

that would be hypocrite.

but since you said in your last post that you never blamed the IDF, then I was probably under the wrong impression, in which case I take my words back, again.

Everybody looks his side

I hope London will remain #1 target so i'll be safer

Fuck you

well dont go soft on me yet , while in most cases i DONT think its the individual idf soldiers at fault, i DO think they shouldn't be there to start with.

The officers in operation kratos were trained to do exactly what they did, Shoot an unarmed , but possibly suicidal bomber. Thats what they thought they had.. They were obviously not trained well enough, or its the tragic "accident" that happened on their first ever response.

The same way IDF is trained to shoot "armed" terrorists who may be taking cover behind rock throwing kids, sometimes mistakes happen , sometimes its wrong , and sometimes they arent trained properly or are disobeying orders.

You have a point there. Even in the most unlikely event he was deaf and brain damaged and didn't understand what was going on, he should have been aware or his "guardian" should have made him aware he cant freak out in public right now..

Like fletch said, you are nuts if you think 5 cops jumped on a guy they thought was a loaded up suicide bomber. That is what snipers are for.

How many here run from cops when they are stopped?

Using that logic, 75% of GFY deserves to die.

why did they jump him then ?

Thing is he didnt have a guardian. The turnstyles that he vaulted arent small. You dont vault those things unless you have a serious reason. It would be hard to do it and get away with it before the new safety messures. There are alot of police by every station entrance.

He was doing something wrong. Probably not a terrorist but he ran for some reason infront of armed police. It is like standing in the middle of the motorway and wondering why you were run over.

:1orglaugh dont give anyone any ideas...

So was he armed or not? He can't be both. Sounds armed to me.

If you don't think someone can do great bodily harm with a rock, much less using a sling to project it you must have led a very sheltered childhood.

Just like you don't bring a knife to a gunfight (unless you are HA), you don't bring rocks to a gunfight.

Like Relish said, he deserved to die for stupidity.

exactly! Also add to that. That they had foillowed him all the way from a terrorist house that the was watching. When will you lot understand this was not a random shooting. It was a special services opperation

How do you show your badge to someone running away?

let's see what will happen after the "pullout plan". soldiers (or civilians) won't be there anymore. will you admit you were wrong if they continue shooting qasam missiles, this time deeper into israel?

Translation: they murdered him

you could use a shirt as a sling or a shoelace , so technically you are armed now and by the same reasoning should be shot for stupidity if you wander into the wrong area :1orglaugh

but seriously, dont you ever remember being a kid ? didnt you throw rocks at things ? people ? did you deserve to die for stupidity ? ( mind you , you weren't throwing rocks at people with guns :) )

If a group of kids was throwing rocks at me , i would propably move my tank to a different location. Seriously , i dont understand people's willingness to kill people.

Yes he was armed, he had a sling made from a 1 inch piece of leather attached to a shoelace. YES its capable of severe injury, NO do i think in any way even if there was 10,000 kids with slings and rocks would i shoot any of them if i had an chance to leave..

They are trained to shoot people that are unarmed but possibly suicidal?

It is good work if you can get it I guess

If I am running, I haven't been stopped.

and yeah, I have done it.

I think the real issue here is the fact that after he was stopped, with 5 cops on him, they decided to murder him.

you keep shifting the topic to be a jewish thing, its not. I was merely discussing police/military vs. civilians , and how they should be treated..

As far as gaza pullout, i honestly am not informed enough to give any sort of accurate opinion on that. there are lots of factors involved , i dont know nearly as much as i should.

Will the pullout plan be a "miracle" in peace ? very doubtfull on either side..

Will missiles still be fired by both sides ? most likely.. hopefully not..

yup from what i hear thats the sounds of it..


suicidal terrorists yes, ( dont ask me how they discern terrorists from civilians thats obviously something they will want to discuss now that they have killed an unarmed an possibly unsuicidal civilian )

Because he was a suspect that they wanted to kill/talk to.

No way in hell would you find 5 cops, all at the same place, at the same time, that would jump on a bomb.

In war you hear of rare individuals that would throw themselves on a grenade to protect others. You never read about 5 guys fighting for the privilege.

To jump through the turnstyle takes serious effort. He wanted to get to the platform withouth being searched. What would you think if you were one of the police?

There is a guy in a large jacket jumping the turnstyle at a time when there are suicide bombers.

The police didnt take a chance and got rid of him. How were they to know he didnt have a bomb? He displayed all the signs of someone who could have been a suicide bomber. Say they hadnt shot him and he got to the platform and denoted the bomb killing loads of people? Everyone would have been asking why he had been under surveilance and didnt get wasted.

When will you understand it was murder?

I can picture the scene now. 5 cops take him down. 4 cops doing what they are supposed to do, and 1 guy, like Relish, that happened to have a friend die in the blasts from 2 weeks ago, goes postal and decides to take things into his own hands and executes him.

I was commenting on your statement that you believe IDF soldiers shouldn't be there in the first place. soon we will have a chance to see what happens in such case. my guess: MORE terrorism.

Who cares ??

Like Relish said, if the guy hadn't acted like a fuckwit, the incident would never have happened.

They couldn't take the chance, so the guy paid the price...

If I have my shirt off, and twisted in a manner that it could be used as a sling, and I am in an area like South Central during the Rodney King riots, yeah, I guess so.



The last house I lived at with my parents was a corner lot, with a front yard made up of decorative rocks. There were times there were as many rocks in the street as there were in the yard. I have split heads with rocks. I had quite the arm, and great aim. If I was dumb enough to throw rocks at someone with a gun, I think I would deserve whatever I got. These kids in Palestine want to be martyrs, that is why they are throwing the rocks in the first place.

Remind me to never hire you as part of an occupying force if rocks will make you move your tank.

Sounds like they just pick one from the crowd . . . I believe we call it racial profiling here in the states.