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baddog 07-22-2005 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Braincash_Dom
maybe he was innocent BUT he was guilty of not stopping when asked by the police in a situation of terrorisme alert....

It's a normal thing....if he was innocent of being a suicide bomber, he was guilty of stupidity for not stopping when police ask to stop a week after bombings in the subway.... :2 cents:


Damn, I wish we could get away with shooting people that were guilty of stupidity.

Why is that okay in England, but we catch shit for it if we do it here?

Pleasurepays 07-22-2005 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM
I can't believe I agree with the conservatives here but I do. Liberals have no ground to stand on regarding this issue.

He's deaf? Then don't wear bulky overcoats after a terrorist bombing in the middle of summer in a tube that has had two attacks in the last 2 weeks in it. You're going to get shot.

Use your heads here people.

he's deaf is not an excuse. it says in every article that the police were chasing him. he knew what was going on. its not like he was just some retarded kid picking his nose and chasing a butterfly while 10 cops jump him and pump 5 rounds into him.

Pleasurepays 07-22-2005 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
Damn, I wish we could get away with shooting people that were guilty of stupidity.

Why is that okay in England, but we catch shit for it if we do it here?

uhm.... hello! happens in the US all the time and nothing happens to the cops but a bunch of complaining and lawsuits by the family.

directfiesta 07-22-2005 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
he's deaf is not an excuse. it says in every article that the police were chasing him. he knew what was going on. its not like he was just some retarded kid picking his nose and chasing a butterfly while 10 cops jump him and pump 5 rounds into him.


Undercover .. plain clothes .... Ever saw undercover cops ??? I did in NY ... I tought they were tugs running with guns ... till they lowered a flap of clothing saying POLICE ...

Same in Guatemala. Was sure it was my last day alive on a little raft going to a German owned resort on the Pacific ....

But this guy deserved it ..... :1orglaugh

Claude 07-22-2005 04:53 PM

Take a look at this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm#graphic

He was not innocent...

mockingbich 07-22-2005 05:12 PM

One down

One billion to go

johnnyhey 07-22-2005 05:26 PM

you know i thought someone from israel might be a little more apt to understand what the fuck is going on. sadly i miscalculated. :(

don't spout off without all the facts. in the meantime enjoy a nice tall glass of shut the fuck up. :)

Major (Tom) 07-22-2005 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaft_1971
No - they shot a suspect :)

Shaft

what you talkin about shaft, shut yo mouth!

lol

duke

baddog 07-22-2005 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Linkster
I guess the part that kinda puts me off about this is that according to the eyewitnesses that have posted their stories - the guy tripped and fell - the police ran up to him and then shot him 5 times while he was lying on the ground? That doesnt sound like a "normal" reaction for a cop


Sounds like SOP to me. Where do you live?

baddog 07-22-2005 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM
This is a war people. When you don't STOP when being told to, you get shot.

Stop trying to be so damn liberal and WAKE UP.


Dear Dumbass,

How exactly do you determine that a plainsclothes cop is a cop and not someone trying to jack you? Or do you just presume that if someone tells you to stop you should do so?

thaifan99 07-22-2005 05:51 PM

errrr

People who want to "jack" you rarely shout STOP_ ARMED POLICE!!

And they rarely put black police baseball style caps with a checked band and POLICE written on them either.

baddog 07-22-2005 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuga
How many times is a normal reaction? I think 5 is ok, but I'm addicted to Counterstrike.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Pleasurepays 07-22-2005 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
Dear Dumbass,

How exactly do you determine that a plainsclothes cop is a cop and not someone trying to jack you? Or do you just presume that if someone tells you to stop you should do so?


you know when its 10 cops, identifying themselves as cops, with guns drawn telling you to stop and get on the ground.

how often do a large group of well groomed thugs act like police, identify themselves as police, all have the same police issued weapons and chase you through a subway telling you to stop or they will shoot?

doesn't sound like a group of muggers to me!

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

directfiesta 07-22-2005 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

how often do a large group of well groomed thugs act like police,

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

http://shadow.autono.net/sin001/kopw.../s002.k025.jpg

more undercover NY cops here

well groomed ... lol ... with dark glasses and a beige raincoat ??? Oups, that undercover CIA ....

:1orglaugh

alexg 07-23-2005 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by johnnyhey
you know i thought someone from israel might be a little more apt to understand what the fuck is going on. sadly i miscalculated. :(

don't spout off without all the facts. in the meantime enjoy a nice tall glass of shut the fuck up. :)

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

oh i'm sorry

ken livingfuck shows a lot of understanding to what's going on in israel...

btw read the whole thread to understand why i started it in the first place...

alexg 07-23-2005 05:20 AM

I don't get it, why doesn't Ken Livingstone release a public statement that condemns the terrorist crimes commited by the London Police?

by his logic the police has definitely commited a crime against humanity... why doesn't he condemn it? Could this be that his position as mayor is more important to him than his ideology?

when suicide bombings happen in other countries, he says that he can understand the suicide bombers because they don't have tanks and airplanes like the attacked country, they only have their own body.

Ross 07-23-2005 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by alexg

maybe he doesn't understand english so he didn't stop?

This arguement is a load of bullshit. When someone clearly marked as a Police Officer points a gun at you and starts yelling, then no matter how bad your English is you get down on the ground or freeze where you are.

This idiot started running away, pushing people out the way, jumping barriers to get to the train. What did he think that would lead to, him getting away?

No, he was about to do something, or was on his way to doing something which would have killed many people.

The Police did the right thing.

Ross 07-23-2005 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog
Dear Dumbass,

How exactly do you determine that a plainsclothes cop is a cop and not someone trying to jack you? Or do you just presume that if someone tells you to stop you should do so?

Baddog the Police officers all showed their badges, they all had caps on saying Police. What more do you fucking need?

Johny Traffic 07-23-2005 05:47 AM

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Correct me if I'm wrong but has the british police KILLED an innocent man today?
Correct me if I'm wrong but has the israeli police, army and government KILLED 100's of innocent palestinians today, through starvation, torture and murder. I guess just another day in Israel :thumbsup

alexg 07-23-2005 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Johny Traffic
Correct me if I'm wrong but has the israeli police, army and government KILLED 100's of innocent palestinians today, through starvation, torture and murder. I guess just another day in Israel :thumbsup

hey at least the jerusalem mayor never said anything bad about britain :2 cents:

Johny Traffic 07-23-2005 05:58 AM

100 shots in the head

alexg 07-23-2005 05:58 AM

100 hypocrite scumbag mayors

VeriSexy 07-23-2005 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by alexg
maybe he was deaf? :upsidedow


That would suck :Oh crap

Johny Traffic 07-23-2005 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by VeriSexy
That would suck :Oh crap


OK lets get this cleared up, so you dont have to listen to any more bull shit


The man was under police observation because he had emerged from a house that was being watched following Thursday's attacks

He was followed by surveillance officers to Stockwell station, where his clothing and behaviour added to their suspicions

Police then warned the man, who then jumped over the turnstyle and ran on to the station platform, while the police told everyone to get down the man ran for the train.

they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him.

Fletch XXX 07-23-2005 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Johny Traffic

they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him.


the big lie comes in when you realize NO FUCKING PIGS will pile onto a guy they think is wearing a bomb.

cops dont do heroic shit, they do bad things.

show me one cop that will throw himself on top of a man wearing a bomb to save someone, let alone more than one guy "bundle" on top of him.

yeah he had a bomb.

BULL SHIT

ezrydn 07-23-2005 06:37 AM

The London story just proves that Muslims DO drink. Didn't it say that one took 5 shots before 10AM??????

alexg 07-23-2005 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ezrydn
The London story just proves that Muslims DO drink. Didn't it say that one took 5 shots before 10AM??????

:1orglaugh

KingK7 07-23-2005 06:55 AM

I can see why they didnt want to take any chances with this bastard. It will only take 1/10th of a second to press a detonator.

Satisfaction 07-23-2005 07:08 AM

yeh i dont think he was innocent :/

imageman 07-23-2005 07:18 AM

Dont blame the police
 
for doing their job, Blame the fucking c.u.n.t.s who planted the bombs in the first place blame the fuckers who caused 911.

alexg 07-23-2005 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Satisfaction
yeh i dont think he was innocent :/

check out cnn.com

i hate being right all the time :(

SmokeyTheBear 07-23-2005 09:46 AM

The cops were part of operation kratos, designed to shoot and kill suspected suicide bombers, they got the wrong guy.

Yup it was a mistake , just like what happens in israel , usa , and every other civilized country

SmokeyTheBear 07-23-2005 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by kektex
Yeah that`s the way to respond to rocks.With bullets from machine guns.

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Originally Posted by alexg
The IDF never does that.

:1orglaugh i hope your joking..

alexg 07-23-2005 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
The cops were part of operation kratos, designed to shoot and kill suspected suicide bombers, they got the wrong guy.

Yup it was a mistake , just like what happens in israel , usa , and every other civilized country

congrats - you're not a hypocrite unlike many...

Relish XXX 07-23-2005 09:50 AM

Try getting on a train in London at the moment. They are searching everyone getting into the stations. He pushed past a security post and ran. In my opinion he deserved to die due to stupidity.

SmokeyTheBear 07-23-2005 09:53 AM

http://www.democracynow.org/article..../05/03/0026239

Not only do they shoot rock throwers with machine guns , but often they kill journalists filming it.

7 dead journalists in 2 years , ( and that isn't including their own journalists they have killed )

I'm not anti-semetic , i'm anti-stupidity

I have lots of jewish friends , i dont think any of them would agree with your statement..

besides this isn't about israel anyways..

alexg 07-23-2005 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
Originally Posted by kektex
Yeah that`s the way to respond to rocks.With bullets from machine guns.



:1orglaugh i hope your joking..

shooting unarmed people with live fire? as a rule - definitely not.
there is a suspect arrest routine. goes as follows:
the soldier yells to the suspect to stop (in hebrew and in arabic)
if he doesn't stop the soldier pulls his gun in the air in a way the suspect would see it.
if he still doesn't stop, the soldier shoots in the air.
only if the suspect still doesn't stop the soldier is allowed to shoot towards the suspect's feet.

I heard first hand stories about soldiers who were imprisoned for not following this routine.

SmokeyTheBear 07-23-2005 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Relish XXX
Try getting on a train in London at the moment. They are searching everyone getting into the stations. He pushed past a security post and ran. In my opinion he deserved to die due to stupidity.


"deserved" to die is a little harsh..

What if the guy was semi-retarted and deaf ..

The cops really had no choice, i dont blame them , and i dont blame the guy , its just bad place at a bad time scenario.

alexg 07-23-2005 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
"deserved" to die is a little harsh..

What if the guy was semi-retarted and deaf ..

The cops really had no choice, i dont blame them , and i dont blame the guy , its just bad place at a bad time scenario.

oh i take my words back...

you ARE a hypocrite like the others

SmokeyTheBear 07-23-2005 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by alexg
shooting unarmed people with live fire? as a rule - definitely not.
there is a suspect arrest routine. goes as follows:
the soldier yells to the suspect to stop (in hebrew and in arabic)
if he doesn't stop the soldier pulls his gun in the air in a way the suspect would see it.
if he still doesn't stop, the soldier shoots in the air.
only if the suspect still doesn't stop the soldier is allowed to shoot towards the suspect's feet.

I heard first hand stories about soldiers who were imprisoned for not following this routine.


Did you happen to read the article above.. they shot an UNARMED journalist wearing a BRIGHT ORANGE VEST. ( while shooting rock throwers )

You can quote till the suns come home , but i have seen them shooting rock throwers with my very own eyes. I physically watched them shoot an unarmed child in the head with a machine gun, the child was holding a small rock sling , nothing else.

I'm sure most of the time , the idf actually feels threatned and sometimes its a mistake , but to say "the idf doesn't shoot rock throwers with machine guns " is plain wrong , there is ZERO validity in tht statement.


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