Redrob

I got this in my Free Speech X-press from the Free Speech Coaliton today showing the Religious Right plotting to overthrough our federal judiciary. The federal judiciary is what protects us from becoming a theocracy:

?POWER OF THE PURSE? PLOT AGAINST JUDGES
WASHINGTON, DC -- Americans United for Separation of Church and State has provided the L.A. Times with an audio recording of evangelical leaders discussing tactics for reining in so-called ?activist judges.? Times reporter Peter Wallsten says the taped discussion provides a glimpse of the road map the evangelicals are drafting as they work with congressional Republicans to achieve a judiciary that sides with them on abortion, same-sex marriage and other elements of their agenda.

?There?s more than one way to skin a cat, and there?s more than one way to take a black robe off the bench,? said Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Family Research Council, his comments caught on tape. Perkins described attending a meeting with congressional leaders where the strategy of stripping funding from certain courts was ?prominently? discussed. ?What they?re thinking of is not only the fact of just making these courts go away and re-creating them the next day but also defunding them,? Perkins said.

Instead of undertaking the long process of trying to impeach judges, said Perkins, Congress could use its appropriations authority to ?just take away the bench, all of his staff, and he?s just sitting out there with nothing to do.?

Also caught on tape is Focus On The Family founder James Dobson.

?Very few people know this, that the Congress can simply disenfranchise a court,? Dobson said. ?They don?t have to fire anybody or impeach them or go through that battle. All they have to do is say the 9th Circuit [U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals] doesn?t exist anymore, and it?s gone.?

Meanwhile, back in Congress, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay lashed out at Republican appointed Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy for being a ?judicial activist.?

?We?ve got Justice Kennedy writing decisions based upon international law, not the Constitution of the United States? That?s just outrageous,? DeLay said. ?And not only that, but he said in session that he does his own research on the Internet? That is just incredibly outrageous.?

Open criticism of individual Supreme Court Justices has been rare for members of congress, but conservative ire over so-called activist judges apparently knows no bounds.

From Peter Wallsten, The L.A. Times, 4/22/05
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...la-home-nation

And from The Associated Press, 4/20/05
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/....ap/index.html

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Mr.Fiction

Judges and juries are the only thing standing between most GFY members and prison.

The only good thing about the right wing finally getting rid of the First Amendment by owning the judges would be to see the brainwashed Bush voters on this board in jail.

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cambaby

You are so right.

Redrob

If the adult webmasters were plotting to take down the Federal judiciary, we'd be sent to jail. How is this different?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Yes it is treason.

If they were pornographers huddled together like that they would have special agents following them for the rest of thier lives and some mostly likely arrested.

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Meni69

Iraq has more freedom now that the US
this is horrible

Bush Says He Favors Decency Rules For Cable


President Bush told the American Society of Newspaper Editors convention Thursday he supported extending broadcast decency standards for television programs to cable and satellite television.

Asked about extending the rules to satellite and cable, Bush replied, "Yes, I'm for that. I think there ought to be a standard. On the other hand, I fully understand that the final edit, or the final decision, is a parent turning off the TV."

In an interview on C-SPAN around the time of his inauguration, Bush seemed to reject measures that would extend rules against broadcast indecency.

"As a free speech advocate, I often told parents who were complaining about content, you're the first line of responsibility; they put an off button [on] the TV for a reason. Turn it off."

At ASNE , Bush said: "I don't mind standards being set out for people to adjudge the content of a show, to help parents make right decisions. Government ought to help parents, not hinder parents in sending good messages to their children. But, look, I mean, we're a free society."

"The marketplace makes decisions. If you don't like something, don't watch it. And, presumably, advertising dollars with wither and the show will go off the air," he said. "But I have no problems with standards being set to help parents make good decisions."

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Meni69

want the sopranos censored?
south park CLEAN?
skinemax, PG?

NO SWEARING on SATELLITE RADIO? when you pay for it?
porn would be next guys


Support the Stamp Out Censorship Act (HR 1440)


H.R.1440

Stamp Out Censorship Act of 2005 (Introduced in House)

HR 1440 IH

109th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 1440

To prohibit the Federal Communications Commission from imposing penalties for indecent broadcasts on providers of video over cable television systems, satellite carriers, the Internet, or non-broadcast providers.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

March 17, 2005

Mr. SANDERS (for himself, Mr. ABERCROMBIE, Mr. PAUL, Mr. BOUCHER, Mr. MCDERMOTT, and Ms. WATSON) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Energy and Commerce

A BILL

To prohibit the Federal Communications Commission from imposing penalties for indecent broadcasts on providers of video over cable television systems, satellite carriers, the Internet, or non-broadcast providers.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Stamp Out Censorship Act of 2005'.

SEC. 2. PROHIBITION.

Section 503 of the Communications Act of 1934 (47 U.S.C. 503) is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:

(c) Indecency Authority Available Only With Respect to Broadcasting- This section shall be construed to permit the Commission to impose a forfeiture penalty under this section with respect to any indecent utterance only if that utterance is broadcast by a radio or television broadcasting station.'.

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Redrob

Worrying about the FCC and the radio is small potatoes comparied to destroying the Federal judiciary. The Federal judiciary is the gatekeeper to the Bill of Rights and OUR right to see, read, and watch whatever we choose in the privacy of our own homes. This is much more serious than dirty words on the radio.

SuckOnThis

Anyone expect anything different from these criminals?

pxxx

Wow, i am already planning my move to EU, just a matter of time.

tony286

I want say thank you to the people on this board that voted for these extreme right scumbags

mikeyddddd

We elect criminals. No pornograper has been elected president yet.

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Snake Doctor

I hate the term "activist judges"

The judiciary is one of the three branches of our government designed to keep the other two in check. That is its purpose for being.

The idea that they're in the wrong for not doing what congress wants is absurd.

It's the independence of our courts that keeps us free. If federal judges were subject to the will of the mob it would be a dark day in America for sure.

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cambaby

Thanks your welcome, wait till you get a load of the next round!

crockett

cool maybe that domain I bought a while back will come end handy.. ReligiousReich.com

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Redrob

"Seig Heil, Seig Heil, Seig Heil! Give und to Jesus all that you own. Burn in Hell you fornicating bastards. We control the horizontal! We control the vertical! And, we will control you, too! Be it prison, death or banishment. Be aware o' peddlers of lust and depraivity, THE END IS NEAR! JESUS IS COMING!" or something like that.......say the Christo-Naziis.

mockingbich

You're absolutely right

But the war isn't going to be over judges...

The war is going to be over illegal immigration.

Minuteman 2 is coming in October. 10,000 militia are going to shut the border down from Texas to California. B*sh better have a secret bunker somewhere cuz he's gonna need it.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Well it's pretty clear congress is Corrupted along with this President that was falsely put in power by a frauded election.


People these days are to stupid to care or to high on Pharmacy drugs.

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Love Brokers

I gotta stop reading these posts. Fucking blood pressure soars! Politicians and religious zealots are out of their minds and leaning towards a dictatorship!

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Rich

Probably because there isn't going to be one. Who's going to fight? You need two armies to have a war. America has one army, and it doesn't serve for the people, it serves the group of criminal elites who control the country. America is going to become a police state, there isn't going to be a civil war. It's not right vs. left, it's the corporate elites who control the country vs. the people, and the American people signed away any chances of controlling their government long ago.

12clicks

hey, sorry for the late laughter on this one but the search is broken.

children and foriegners talking about how bad the US is never fails to amuse me.

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TheSaint

Yeah, its funny to hear. I've lived all over the world and there ain't no place like the U.S., still the most free, lowest taxes (of western nations) and best all around government. You think the U.S. government is fucked up? Take a tour of the goverments of Europe, or anywhere else.

A lot of the policies put in by Bush are actually very good and long overdue - zero tolerance for terrorism, bankruptcy reform, and (coming soon) tort reform and an energy policy.

Right now the religious yahoos own the white house and congress. It will pass, with not too much damage done long term. The demographics are too overwhelmingly against the repubs, they squeaked by in the last election by a hair and every year it will become touger and tougher on them.

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WebGemsHosting

Well said. TRUTH!

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Tin hats won't save you when you ge tossed in jail for selling porn on the internet...

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Marcus Aurelius

I think if the churches wants to have so much influence on our government and the laws that govern us, they need to pony up with some money to help support the society they are helping to destroy. Tax these motherfuckers and tax them HARD!.

directfiesta

No surprise ... and you all ( americans I mean ) deserve it ... even if you did vote against ....

After his re-election, I looked carefully at my corporate and personnal structure.

I operate my member sites thru a US corp in Del. and was solely hosted on a US server...

I know am hosted on both US & Canadian servers ( round robin ) and papers selling the member sites from the US corp to my Canadian corp are drawn up and ready to sign...

When ( because it will ) the shit hits the fan, turn off the US servers ( lost business for the US ), turn off the US billing ( use my Euro Billing ) , sign the paper works... and continue operating with as bonus a flow of clients that cannot or will not join US operated sites ....

Your country is politically and morally becoming like a Muslim country, except it is a Christian label. You are always fucking praying ...

Good luck guys

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Redrob

To combat this threat to our freedoms, I suggest the following:

Support the ACLU, Free Speech Coalition, MoveOn.org and any other individual rights group in your local area. Take the time to go to a meeting and meet other people with the same concerns that you have. You may find those friendships very valuable in the future.

If you don't have cash to support various organizations, then take the time to write a letter, make a phone call, or send an email. It all counts.

Get involved locally with your local government and send the following links to editors in your area showing what scumbags these Christo-Nazii preachers really are and their activities:

Showing not just Catholic priests want to have sex with your child, these Christo-naziis are just a bad:

http://www.reformation.com/

Showing the Christo-naziis are trying to overthrough our Federal judiciary:

From Peter Wallsten, The L.A. Times, 4/22/05
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...la-home-nation

And from The Associated Press, 4/20/05
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/....ap/index.html

Exposing the myth of "pornography addiction" that is used by the Christo-nazzis to justify censorship of our industry:
http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/dan_linz.htm

Showing that the Christo-naziis are trying to control teaching in our universities:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=2661

My friends, the war has already started if you haven't noticed.....what are you going to do?

12clicks

too bad dim wits like this don't have to put their money where their mouths are and revisit their idiot predictions next year, the year after, the year after, etc.

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mockingbich

What you guys don't seem to understand is the christian right is almost completely impotent in America. All you have to do is look at the RNC convention in 2004. There were absolutely no high profile speeches made by religious conservatives. That was a specific effort by the party to dismiss the christian base

One more example...Terri Shiavo. The republicans could have stopped the courts from starving Terri Shiavo... But the didn't. It's because they don't care about the Christian conservative base anymore.

The judicial appointments have less to do with the culture wars than with corporate interests. The Republicans aren't fighting to put religious zealots on the bench. They're fighting to put business friendly judges on the bench. Judges that won't rule against insurance companies and against "free trade" treaties and practices.

The Bush administration is trying to ditch the christian conservative base in exchange for the spanish speaking immigrant base. Look at hte demographics. If Bush can give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens he can effectively cut off the religious right from the republican party.

I don't understand this paranoia??? Look at TV, Radio, and the internet. It's a fucking porno carnival with no end in sight. I live in Vegas and the mayor wants to make prostitution legal. There is no christianity in America anymore

Dont worry about the christian conservatives.. .They are all bark and no bite

But you do have to worry about leftist politicans pandering to the christian right to split the republican vote. Hillary Clinton could go after online pornography to move her to the middle of the Democrat party and run for president in 2008. There is more danger to the adult industry from the American Left than from the American Christian right..

Mark my words!!!

tony286

These people without a clue I will never understand , everytime a large group of pornographers went to jail it was during republican admins Nixon first and then Reagan. When Democrats had control porn grew in leaps and bounds. Also Bill Frist was on a christian TV show last Sunday saying Democrats want to go against religion, so maybe your not up on currents events. The religious right has more control then ever with Terry the President flew home to sign a bill for one person . stop watching fox

WarChild

There's this big chunk of land that's populated by Religious people. It's called America and it's between LA and New York.

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Rich

70% of whom are educated enough to understand why church and state must be separated at all costs.

It's hilarious to see people defending those who want to remove the last "checks and balances" the government has, not because they've thought about the issue but because they have to agree with their "side" at all times. Fucking pathetic if you ask me, you're like children defending abusive parents. If you love your country so much, it's time to start acting like it.

Rich

That's the GFY quote of the year.

2HousePlague

Gosh, there are so many correctable statements in this thread, I hardly know where to begin. So I won't at all. Instead, I'll answer Redrob's good question.

It's different because when Religion "speaks", that SPEECH is protected.

When we speak, it's the "noise" of a Left-crazed Scum Lobby (on a good day).

On a bad day, it could win you a trip to Guantanamo.

This sort of thing:

...is nothing new. If there's any important difference to observe here, it's the obvious absence of concern on the part of the people behind these supposedly "TREASONOUS", "INSURRECTIONIST" "plots".

You think a quote like the above gets in national print these days without an implicit permission from the speaker? There's no telling what Truth there is in this "story."

"Americans United for Separation of Church and State has provided the L.A. Times.." -- my God, that's laughable. Bueller, Bueller, Bueller...?

There's an old expression I'm going to pretend I once heard:

"If you want to know who's winning (or who thinks they're winning), don't look at the players on the field, look at the cheerleaders."

This is a press release about the conversations of cheerleaders.

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2HousePlague

Wait, there was one statement above so incorrect and, what's worse, so dangerous for the complacency it could inspire in us, that I have to hold it out for clear comdemnation:



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Rich

"It is time to take a deep breath, step back, and inject a little perspective into the recent heated rhetoric about judges and the courts. We might start by getting a firm grip on the reality that our independent judiciary is the most respected branch of our government, and the envy of the world."

Ted Olson, Solicitor General under Bush Jr.

Rich

Also from Ted Olson:

"Calls to investigate judges who have made unpopular decisions are particularly misguided, and if actually pursued, would undermine the independence that is vital to the integrity of judicial systems. If a judge?s decisions are corrupt or tainted, there are lawful recourses (prosecution or impeachment); but congressional interrogations of life-tenured judges, presumably under oath, as to why a particular decision was rendered, would constitute interference with ? and intimidation of ? the judicial process. And there is no logical stopping point once this power is exercised."

Rich

Those quotes were printed in the Wall Street Journal, the communist rag behind the left wing conspiracy against DeLay.

2HousePlague

Correct. And that is the very reason why a verbal assault on them (or even an extremely vague "death threat" [snicker that employed the language "take a black* a robe down from the bench"]) is understood by both sides to be just cheerleading and chest-beating.


And then it gets wrapped up in indecipherable "civics" rhetoric, and dispensed with using packing material such as this:

What matters is that it got SAID, and some number of still rescuably-rational people sitting on the fence got won over to the Dark Side.


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*(Don't miss that beat.)

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Kingfish

Wow those are some interesting observations.

The reason there weren?t high profile Christian speakers giving speeches is because that particular voting base was already locked up and committed to Bush. They intentionally gave moderate or left leaning Republicans their prime time speaking spots because they wanted to appear more moderate and not so extreme. Of course the gullible sheep ate it right up. It wasn?t at all an attempt to dismiss the Christian base, but rather to reach out to Middle America by pretending to be something they were not. All you have to do is look at the platform which has an anti-porn plank to see what they were really all about.

They did on several occasions. The Shiavo case had already been through the Florida Court system and the Federal Court System and there were no more appeals left. Jeb Bush and the Florida legislature decided to make a special law for Terri (knowing it was contrary to the Florida constitution at the time it was passed). So that took another year to go all the way through the Florida court system again where each court in turn said yeah it is unconstitutional. Once that was over Tom Delay and crew decided what was needed was a Federal law mandating the Federal Court system review the case yet again in hopes a whole new trial would at the very least take another 10 years. The Federal judge that first got the case decided he wasn?t going to go along with this horse shit. He reviewed all of the transcripts from the original trial and appeals and decided that there wasn?t a high likelihood of a new trial resulting in a different result, and thus refused to grant the injunction (requiring her feeding tube be reinserted) while a whole new trial was conducted and appealed over the next 10-15 years. Congress can change jurisdiction, but the Trial Rules remained the same. The judge didn?t say the Shiavos couldn?t have their new trial like Tom Delay wanted, but rather that the courts weren?t going to grant an injunction while this new trial was going on. So short of sending in the troops to forcibly reinsert her feeding tube and openly defying a court order (something I understand Jeb was going to order the Florida National Guard to do) there wasn?t anything else they could do. And that is why they are so angry they are discovering there are limits to their power and they can?t just remake the U.S. into Theocracy.

You are simply wrong about this. Many of the judges the current Republican Party is complaining about are Republicans that were appointed by former Republican presidents. They don?t want the judges to follow the law they want the judges to follow their extreme right wing agenda. That is why you see Republicans making comments like they understand the violence against judges. They simply do not want an independent judiciary they want to make the whole country over and they see that the independent judiciary as standing in their way.

2HousePlague

Observe the weakness of the "thinking branch" of government.

When all you have is the strength of your argument, how do you answer a "gun"?

Observe the TRUE location from which the pressure is applied. It's not from the likes of Tony Perkins.



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WarChild

I AM NOT AMERICAN. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT?

I didn't defend anything, I just pointed out that a large part of America is religious. That's all.

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Rich

When did I say you were? You said that a large percentage of Americans were religious, I reminded you that not all religious people are right wing nutcases. My second paragraph was in reference to the small percentage of people in this thread who would support moves to reduce the power of the judiciary system, it wasn't aimed at you.

WarChild

Your direct response to my post reads as follows (highlights added for emphasis)

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Rich

Learn how to read, notice how that paragraph was referring to more than one person, and then come back with another smart ass comment about how it was directed at you. That comment was directed at the other 30%, as opposed to the 70% I mentioned in my first paragraph. It's easy to make things sound different when you only quote part of someone's comment.

Redrob

He said, she said.....

Whiners.....what are you going to do? Tell me! Post some suggestions of your own. What are you doing to change things for the better?