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Originally Posted by mockingbich
What you guys don't seem to understand is the christian right is almost completely impotent in America. All you have to do is look at the RNC convention in 2004. There were absolutely no high profile speeches made by religious conservatives. That was a specific effort by the party to dismiss the christian base
One more example...Terri Shiavo. The republicans could have stopped the courts from starving Terri Shiavo... But the didn't. It's because they don't care about the Christian conservative base anymore.
The judicial appointments have less to do with the culture wars than with corporate interests. The Republicans aren't fighting to put religious zealots on the bench. They're fighting to put business friendly judges on the bench. Judges that won't rule against insurance companies and against "free trade" treaties and practices.
The Bush administration is trying to ditch the christian conservative base in exchange for the spanish speaking immigrant base. Look at hte demographics. If Bush can give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens he can effectively cut off the religious right from the republican party.
I don't understand this paranoia??? Look at TV, Radio, and the internet. It's a fucking porno carnival with no end in sight. I live in Vegas and the mayor wants to make prostitution legal. There is no christianity in America anymore
Dont worry about the christian conservatives.. .They are all bark and no bite
But you do have to worry about leftist politicans pandering to the christian right to split the republican vote. Hillary Clinton could go after online pornography to move her to the middle of the Democrat party and run for president in 2008. There is more danger to the adult industry from the American Left than from the American Christian right..
Mark my words!!!
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Wow those are some interesting observations.
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What you guys don't seem to understand is the Christian right is almost completely impotent in America. All you have to do is look at the RNC convention in 2004. There were absolutely no high profile speeches made by religious conservatives. That was a specific effort by the party to dismiss the Christian base.
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The reason there weren?t high profile Christian speakers giving speeches is because that particular voting base was already locked up and committed to Bush. They intentionally gave moderate or left leaning Republicans their prime time speaking spots because they wanted to appear more moderate and not so extreme. Of course the gullible sheep ate it right up. It wasn?t at all an attempt to dismiss the Christian base, but rather to reach out to Middle America by pretending to be something they were not. All you have to do is look at the platform which has an anti-porn plank to see what they were really all about.
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One more example...Terri Shiavo. The republicans could have stopped the courts from starving Terri Shiavo... But the didn't. It's because they don't care about the Christian conservative base anymore.
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They did on several occasions. The Shiavo case had already been through the Florida Court system and the Federal Court System and there were no more appeals left. Jeb Bush and the Florida legislature decided to make a special law for Terri (knowing it was contrary to the Florida constitution at the time it was passed). So that took another year to go all the way through the Florida court system again where each court in turn said yeah it is unconstitutional. Once that was over Tom Delay and crew decided what was needed was a Federal law mandating the Federal Court system review the case yet again in hopes a whole new trial would at the very least take another 10 years. The Federal judge that first got the case decided he wasn?t going to go along with this horse shit. He reviewed all of the transcripts from the original trial and appeals and decided that there wasn?t a high likelihood of a new trial resulting in a different result, and thus refused to grant the injunction (requiring her feeding tube be reinserted) while a whole new trial was conducted and appealed over the next 10-15 years. Congress can change jurisdiction, but the Trial Rules remained the same. The judge didn?t say the Shiavos couldn?t have their new trial like Tom Delay wanted, but rather that the courts weren?t going to grant an injunction while this new trial was going on. So short of sending in the troops to forcibly reinsert her feeding tube and openly defying a court order (something I understand Jeb was going to order the Florida National Guard to do) there wasn?t anything else they could do. And that is why they are so angry they are discovering there are limits to their power and they can?t just remake the U.S. into Theocracy.
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The judicial appointments have less to do with the culture wars than with corporate interests. The Republicans aren't fighting to put religious zealots on the bench. They're fighting to put business friendly judges on the bench. Judges that won't rule against insurance companies and against "free trade" treaties and practices.
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You are simply wrong about this. Many of the judges the current Republican Party is complaining about are Republicans that were appointed by former Republican presidents. They don?t want the judges to follow the law they want the judges to follow their extreme right wing agenda. That is why you see Republicans making comments like they understand the violence against judges. They simply do not want an independent judiciary they want to make the whole country over and they see that the independent judiciary as standing in their way.