Vegas Video SUCKS BALLS!! Will Raid 0+1 work with XP pro?

[RedShoe]

So far I've been using Vegas but let's be honest, it's the microsoft paint of editing programs. I've run thru it's limitations, and am now frustrated with it's performance and lack of any real control.

I wanna switch over to a new setup that only works on XP pro.

My question is... will XP work with a RAID (0+1) setup? Before I go out and buy XP pro. I wanna know if this shit's gonna work on this machine.

And before you suggest FCP, I've seen many editors on FCP and I don't want an editing system I have to baby all day. The FCP editor over at *** was always sleeping on the couch because his FCP setup was "digitizing" or "rendering" or he was constantly rebooting. He and another FCP editor both commented on liking how Vegas worked. If they liked Vegas, and I think it's shit... I'm ready to move on to the next level.

Will XP work with a RAID (0+1) setup?

[Meta Ridley]

You actually used Vegas as your main editor? That program is a joke

[Meta Ridley]

Have you used Premiere Pro?

[RedShoe]

Originally Posted by Meta Ridley

Have you used Premiere Pro?

No I have not. And yes I know it's a joke, I already said it sucks balls right in the title of this thread.

[Meta Ridley]

Originally Posted by RedShoe

No I have not.

cant do much better on XP. 10x the control over vegas.

[PSGuru]

Go for Premiere Pro ;) I didnt know they had FCP for windows... thought it was only for mac

[Praguer]

Premiere Pro 1.5. Look no further, Amazing effect and timeline controls, the best integrated audio editor, project manager, native interface with photoshop and after effects, 100's of plug ins and awsome performance.

[Meta Ridley]

Originally Posted by Praguer

Premiere Pro 1.5. Look no further, Amazing effect and timeline controls, the best integrated audio editor, project manager, native interface with photoshop and after effects, 100's of plug ins and awsome performance.

The one problem I have is with the audio capabilites,,while good, they are not polished. thats when I have to resort to Sonic Foundry products (sound forge/acid,,, and sometimes vegas). Sonic foundry/sony have been in the game longer and kill with thier audio products.

[NaughtyINC]

cough*avid*cough

[RedShoe]

Originally Posted by PSGuru

Go for Premiere Pro ;) I didnt know they had FCP for windows... thought it was only for mac

FCP is just for mac, but when it comes to editing mac has those people convinced there is nothing better. But I've seen first had how much trouble they have with it, even if they say otherwise.

[RedShoe]

Originally Posted by NaughtyINC

cough*avid*cough

cough*it's just a brand name*cough

[Pornwolf]

What the hell are you making Redshoe, independant films or something? I don't see why Vegas isn't good enough for anything porn related.

At the end of the day, as long as you can edit audio, video and add some decent transistions it should be good. One thing I can say about Vegas compared to Premiere is he whole process I just mentioned is waaaay smoother and more fluid than when using premiere.

FCP is better though.

[jact]

Originally Posted by Meta Ridley

The one problem I have is with the audio capabilites,,while good, they are not polished. thats when I have to resort to Sonic Foundry products (sound forge/acid,,, and sometimes vegas). Sonic foundry/sony have been in the game longer and kill with thier audio products.

I've been using Adobe Audition 1.5 to work on my audio and I have to say I'm very impressed with the controls and finished product it delivers. Much more control then Premiere's built in controls.

[Meta Ridley]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

What the hell are you making Redshoe, independant films or something? I don't see why Vegas isn't good enough for anything porn related.

At the end of the day, as long as you can edit audio, video and add some decent transistions it should be good. One thing I can say about Vegas compared to Premiere is he whole process I just mentioned is waaaay smoother and more fluid than when using premiere.

FCP is better though.

Its not good enough for me,, like was already stated,, the control sucks. I have used both extensivly and I know why editors like myself get sick of vegas.
If you dont know,, it is based off an audio editing program,, and works almost the smae way,, except working with audio and video is two differnt things,, and I think SF forgot that.

[RedShoe]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

What the hell are you making Redshoe, independant films or something? I don't see why Vegas isn't good enough for anything porn related.

At the end of the day, as long as you can edit audio, video and add some decent transistions it should be good. One thing I can say about Vegas compared to Premiere is he whole process I just mentioned is waaaay smoother and more fluid than when using premiere.

FCP is better though.

If you're fine with substandard porn editing then so be it. LOL. The clients I work for all want the highest level they can get and I'm ready to provide that service. And for what they pay I feel embarrased telling them I use the weakest editor on the market. And I've been editing straight to DVD these days, so I figured it's time to increase my quality.

I agree with your second statement. I spoken with a few editors one of them an avid editor that told me it's just a name brand and that the same results could be achieved with a less expensive editing program. However, I just don't feel Vegas is at that level yet.
Vegas is smooth, yes, and fast, yes... but it's also weak. You sacrafice a lot of quality for speed. I feel like I wanna end up dropping the whole thing into after effects to get what I want.

And I do disagree with FCP being better than Vegas. One of my clients has FCP and he's amazed at how easy Vegas is and how quickly I can chop a 4 hour movie. However... like I said you sacrafice quality for speed.

[Jim_Gunn]

One can work with any of these editing programs for most any editing job, so it really just depends on which interface and unique or advanced capabilities that you prefer. I don't have any experience with Vegas, but I looked at the interface once in a demo version and I didn't like it. I'm a pc guy running Win XP and I love Premiere Pro 1.5 and it's integration with Photoshop & Encore for DVD authoring. I think it is eay to learn and works fast in my opinion.

[SGS]

RedShoe, I have seen your stuff and you are far too talented to be wringing the neck of that useless Vegas crap. You need Premiere Pro if you are staying with the PC route and nothing else will do.

[RedShoe]

Originally Posted by SGS

RedShoe, I have seen your stuff and you are far too talented to be wringing the neck of that useless Vegas crap. You need Premiere Pro if you are staying with the PC route and nothing else will do.

Thanks for the compliment.
I'm at a toss up between premiere pro and liquid 6.

[SGS]

Premier Pro by a million miles.

[RedShoe]

Originally Posted by SGS

Premier Pro by a million miles.

I've read they're both good and they seem to be very similar. One can handle real-time editing better (which I'm used to), one can output to deck almost real time, one has to completely render.. and one can handle audio better.. They seem very similar.

Why would you say by a million miles?

[JSA Matt]

Originally Posted by RedShoe

cough*it's just a brand name*cough

*cough* no its not *cough*

If you can afford Avid you will not find anything better for the PC. Premiere Pro 1.5 is a joke as well, we use it for nothing but exporting frame grabs.

Your RAID0+1 depends on the RAID controller you are using, it has nothing to do with Windows XP.

[Photaz]

Redshoe, adobe has a 30 day trial download on Premier Pro 1.5. Try it and let me know if you like it.

[tony286]

quality is what comes from the editor not the software. I have seen on vegas boards amazing stuff done with vegas.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Meta Ridley

You actually used Vegas as your main editor? That program is a joke

no its not

[Meta Ridley]

Originally Posted by JSA Matt

*cough* no its not *cough*

If you can afford Avid you will not find anything better for the PC. Premiere Pro 1.5 is a joke as well, we use it for nothing but exporting frame grabs.

Your RAID0+1 depends on the RAID controller you are using, it has nothing to do with Windows XP.

You don't know what you are talking about. Premiere can do amazing things for its price. In fact, a successful, criticaly acclaimed full lenght feature moive that was just released was edited entierly in Premiere.

[Meta Ridley]

Originally Posted by tony404

no its not

Yes, you waste time on it lack of control. The software is basically an audio editer turned video editor. But Ive already said that.

[JSA Matt]

Originally Posted by Meta Ridley

Yes, you waste time on it lack of control. The software is basically an audio editer turned video editor. But Ive already said that.

Maybe you just need to learn the software, it is not newbie friendly.

[JSA Matt]

Originally Posted by Meta Ridley

You don't know what you are talking about. Premiere can do amazing things for its price. In fact, a successful, criticaly acclaimed full lenght feature moive that was just released was edited entierly in Premiere.

I don't see your point?

[Meta Ridley]

Originally Posted by JSA Matt

Maybe you just need to learn the software, it is not newbie friendly.

Ok newbie. I've used it for the past 3 versions of it. The only reason I use it is it can handle WMVs.

How long have you used premiere for?

[JSA Matt]

Originally Posted by Meta Ridley

Ok newbie. I've used it for the past 3 versions of it. The only reason I use it is it can handle WMVs.

How long have you used premiere for?

I don't use premiere and I don't edit video, I only deal with professional editors and professional encoding solutions. Anyhow, if you are editing WMVs, you clearly don't know what you are talking about.

[Meta Ridley]

Originally Posted by JSA Matt

I don't see your point?

Originally Posted by JSA Matt

Premiere Pro 1.5 is a joke as well, we use it for nothing but exporting frame grabs.

my point

[Meta Ridley]

Originally Posted by JSA Matt

I don't use premiere and I don't edit video, I only deal with professional editors and professional encoding solutions. Anyhow, if you are editing WMVs, you clearly don't know what you are talking about.

Ok so Im talking to an idiot.
You dont use premiere but you think you are in a position to comment on it, you dont edit video but you think you are in a position to comment on it. Right.

I will edit ANY format of video that is necessary. While i'ts mostly DV,, sometimes the job requires other formats. But thats probably over your head.

Stop commenting please you are making us all dumber

[RedShoe]

Originally Posted by Meta Ridley

Yes, you waste time on it lack of control. The software is basically an audio editer turned video editor. But Ive already said that.

Originally Posted by JSA Matt

Maybe you just need to learn the software, it is not newbie friendly.

Actually. It's very newbie friendly. I bought vegas and was editing with it in no time, and within a few weeks had created the first CollegeFuckFest trailer. And in less than a year was editing for several other websites.

It didn't take me years of learning how to edit. I learned it all on Vegas within months. It's so fucking easy to use. That's the problem. You tend to outgrow it pretty quick.

I'm sure there are amazing things that can be done with it. Just like I'm sure there are amazing things that can be done to html in notepad, or amazing things that can be done to images using paintshop pro. But I don't want to spend 4 days compositing and fucking with filters, and motion controls when a stronger editing system can do what I want in less time.

Have you seen my editing samples? http://redshoe.net/samples/RedShoe-new_demo.wmv Done completely with vegas and a VX2k. Took me a couple of days to do. MOST of it is just fast cuts. There are hardly any real effects added to it.

I'm not saying I know all there is to know about vegas, I just know that I want more out of an editing program. One that can output on the fly perhaps. One that doesn't throw macro blocks into a DVcam on export would be nice.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by RedShoe

Actually. It's very newbie friendly. I bought vegas and was editing with it in no time, and within a few weeks had created the first CollegeFuckFest trailer. And in less than a year was editing for several other websites.

It didn't take me years of learning how to edit. I learned it all on Vegas within months. It's so fucking easy to use. That's the problem. You tend to outgrow it pretty quick.

I'm sure there are amazing things that can be done with it. Just like I'm sure there are amazing things that can be done to html in notepad, or amazing things that can be done to images using paintshop pro. But I don't want to spend 4 days compositing and fucking with filters, and motion controls when a stronger editing system can do what I want in less time.

Have you seen my editing samples? http://redshoe.net/samples/RedShoe-new_demo.wmv Done completely with vegas and a VX2k. Took me a couple of days to do. MOST of it is just fast cuts. There are hardly any real effects added to it.

I'm not saying I know all there is to know about vegas, I just know that I want more out of an editing program. One that can output on the fly perhaps. One that doesn't throw macro blocks into a DVcam on export would be nice.

posted your thread on a vegas guru board, they said give us some specific problems you have with vegas. Instead blanket it sucks statements so it can be figured is it vegas or you. Also some of things you spoke about sounds like hardware problems . What kind of system are you running on ?

[Juicy D. Links]

I am sexy I use Windows Movie Maker

[Meta Ridley]

Originally Posted by RedShoe

Actually. It's very newbie friendly. I bought vegas and was editing with it in no time, and within a few weeks had created the first CollegeFuckFest trailer. And in less than a year was editing for several other websites.

It didn't take me years of learning how to edit. I learned it all on Vegas within months. It's so fucking easy to use. That's the problem. You tend to outgrow it pretty quick.

I'm sure there are amazing things that can be done with it. Just like I'm sure there are amazing things that can be done to html in notepad, or amazing things that can be done to images using paintshop pro. But I don't want to spend 4 days compositing and fucking with filters, and motion controls when a stronger editing system can do what I want in less time.

Have you seen my editing samples? http://redshoe.net/samples/RedShoe-new_demo.wmv Done completely with vegas and a VX2k. Took me a couple of days to do. MOST of it is just fast cuts. There are hardly any real effects added to it.

I'm not saying I know all there is to know about vegas, I just know that I want more out of an editing program. One that can output on the fly perhaps. One that doesn't throw macro blocks into a DVcam on export would be nice.

My point with that quaote was that premiere was setup purley to edit video, and thats whay it takes less time to do it, and it is easier to get more precise. While vegas seems more of ACID turned video editor.

[Meta Ridley]

double post ignore

[William-Xfactor]

What amazes me is, that serious video editors ?PC? that love premier pro 1.5,
don?t realize the benefits of running a Matrox RTX 100 Extreme Pro. Not to mention the software that comes with it for not much more then the cost of the hardware!


For video encoding look no further then ProCoder 2

[William-Xfactor]

Matrox RT.X100 Xtreme Pro Check it out.

[RedShoe]

Originally Posted by tony404

posted your thread on a vegas guru board, they said give us some specific problems you have with vegas. Instead blanket it sucks statements so it can be figured is it vegas or you. Also some of things you spoke about sounds like hardware problems . What kind of system are you running on ?

Tony, you know I like and respect you. But sending to a vegas guru board is just going to have them shoot me down. What do I care if THEY really like it. So what?

I can't get it to let me use certain codecs when importing footage from deck. It only let's you use Sony's dv codec which sucks ass. I'm sure there is a way to change it, I haven't found it. I don't even use Vegas to import anymore because of that.

I'm tired of having to build all my font treatments in PhotoShop. I think Vegas does crappy font treatment.

When I print to tape, no matter what, within 8 minutes I get an error saying the device has stopped respponding when I KNOW FOR A FACT that it hasn't. It still prints to tape but always throws macro blocks when it errors.

It automatically resizes images on import and so you have to tell it to not do that... EVERY TIME.

I'm just at that point where I wanna try something new.

I run a P4 3.06 GHZ, 2G RAM, 1.25 terabytes HD. If that can't handle Vegas...

Now run along and tell your little keyboard warriors. Shoot me down. I'm ready.

[RedShoe]

Originally Posted by William-Xfactor

For video encoding look no further then ProCoder 2

To be honest. I think it really depends on what you are trying to encode. I've yet to come across an all encompassing encoder.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by RedShoe

Tony, you know I like and respect you. But sending to a vegas guru board is just going to have them shoot me down. What do I care if THEY really like it. So what?

I can't get it to let me use certain codecs when importing footage from deck. It only let's you use Sony's dv codec which sucks ass. I'm sure there is a way to change it, I haven't found it. I don't even use Vegas to import anymore because of that.

I'm tired of having to build all my font treatments in PhotoShop. I think Vegas does crappy font treatment.

When I print to tape, no matter what, within 8 minutes I get an error saying the device has stopped respponding when I KNOW FOR A FACT that it hasn't. It still prints to tape but always throws macro blocks when it errors.

It automatically resizes images on import and so you have to tell it to not do that... EVERY TIME.

I'm just at that point where I wanna try something new.

I run a P4 3.06 GHZ, 2G RAM, 1.25 terabytes HD. If that can't handle Vegas...

Now run along and tell your little keyboard warriors. Shoot me down. I'm ready.

Why are you so defensive ? I was trying to help you You called VEgas ms paint which is alittle extreme . You want real editing power you have to reach into your pocket and spend really money ,your system is weak for editing on a very serious level. Avid would the way to go or speed razor but look at 10 k when all is said and done.

[tony286]

wanna know what the as you called it keyboard warriors response was :

Invite him to post here with any questions he might have as to how to do something. If he's flustered, he sounds like he could use some help.


Not everyboard is highschool some boards are adult professionals. The guys on this board actually have books they have written on the subject and speak all over the country. They have forgot more on editing than most of us know lol

[RedShoe]

Originally Posted by tony404

Why are you so defensive ? I was trying to help you You called VEgas ms paint which is alittle extreme . You want real editing power you have to reach into your pocket and spend really money ,your system is weak for editing on a very serious level. Avid would the way to go or speed razor but look at 10 k when all is said and done.

wanna know what the as you called it keyboard warriors response was :

Invite him to post here with any questions he might have as to how to do something. If he's flustered, he sounds like he could use some help.


Not everyboard is highschool some boards are adult professionls

Right now I'm sitting on $40K. My goal is to convert my garage into a studio, and then outfit it with a decent program. So the 10K I can manage.

You're right about the keyboard warrior/defense move. I'm so used to everyone here being so fuckin' ready to attack. My apologies.

Send me to your vegas board. I'll try to remember they are not us, and treat them with the same level of respect I give to most of you.

[tony286]

I respect your work a great deal please know that.
You were one of my motivations to really get into editing .The two best groups are
http://www.dvxuser.com/cgi-bin/DVX2/YaBB.pl?board=Vegas
www.creativecow.net

[RedShoe]

Thanks Tony.

[JSA Matt]

I was referring to Avid not being newbie friendly, not Vegas or Premiere

[freeadultcontent]

Haha, Redshoe has demanding quality nazi's as bosses.

[William-Xfactor]

Exporting your work to disk with out rendering, in quicker then real-time and with out recompression or quality loss.
I know what I would choose.
Matrox makes this possible with Premier Pro 1.5

Good luck

[RedShoe]

Originally Posted by freeadultcontent

Haha, Redshoe has demanding quality nazi's as bosses.

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