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UnseenWorld · 11-08-2001, 01:22 AM

I have a model, 18, a very nice girl who is new to the business. Not a "ho." "Toys, yes; boys, no" describes her limits. She got what she thought was a good gig with a site specializing in video of legal teens. Since that's what I do, she thought it would be much like working with me. NOT.

She knew she was going to be doing some masturbation with toys and some girl-girl. What she didn't know was that there would be a number of guys there who had nothing to do with the production. To make things worse, after she did what she was hired to do, the gawkers applauded, like they were at a show.

She thought that the video guys had brought some of their friends along to enjoy the the view, which upset her. What she didn't know is that this website routinely collects money from its members, without telling the models, for the privilege of observing the taping.

Since then, I've told her always to demand "a closed set" (nobody there who has nothing vital to do related to the production is present), and she shortly thereafter had a very positive experience with another, much more professional production company.

Now, I ask, what kind of spineless unethical snakes would invite an 18 year old girl to make an erotic video without telling her it was a recording of her live performance in front of a paying audience?

When she later found out what was really going on, she discovered why there was applause. The gawkers knew what she didn't: she was giving a live performance in addition to making a video.

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boneprone · 11-08-2001, 01:53 AM

Where can I get tickets for the next show?

UnseenWorld · 11-08-2001, 02:34 AM

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Where can I get tickets for the next show?

That was thoughtful of you, Pronebone.

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Amputate Your Head · 11-08-2001, 02:41 AM

Do they serve popcorn? I like the real buttery kind.

rollin · 11-08-2001, 02:45 AM

hot dogs, get your hot dogs!

Steve · 11-08-2001, 03:08 AM

Why didn't the model just ask what the fuck all the weird dudes standing around where there for?

If she didn't feel comfortable, she could have walked. Last I checked, it's a free country.

Not saying those guys who hired her were right. I'm just saying if you think the porn industry is the only place with snakes, here's a quarter because you need to buy a clue. Assholes abound out there. If you think people will always hold your hand and look both ways for you before you cross - you're gonna get fucked harder than a sheep at a lonely Scotsmans house.

Where I come from, people yell "jump" when they see you standing on a roof, or a ledge. Not everyone is interested in your well being.

Jer · 11-08-2001, 08:06 AM

UnseenWorld, that is the bad side of this industry

These fuckers think the girl is a whore or something just because she does modeling stuff.

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^R3K^ · 11-08-2001, 08:11 AM

Steve a clue is a lot more than a Quarter These Days!!!

by the way i would go like to know if you can get tickets from ticketmaster or is this a eclusive thing?

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Slick · 11-08-2001, 08:28 AM

That's pretty lame for them to do that. If they were gonna do that, they should've at least asked if it was ok with her or perhaps offered her a cut of the profits.

Now, if that was me doing something like that and I had a female audience applauding me, I wouldn't complain, I'd ask for audience participation, ha ha ha.

B.Diker · 11-08-2001, 08:36 AM

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Where can I get tickets for the next show?

i wanna get a ticket too

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cyberpunk · 11-08-2001, 08:40 AM

Unseenworld

These guys are the low end of the world... when I arrange shoot I don't even stay myself if my photographer instead of me is shooting. I'm betting this happen more then some of us would like to think though

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Ludedude · 11-08-2001, 08:52 AM

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Originally posted by Steve:
Where I come from, people yell "jump" when they see you standing on a roof, or a ledge. Not everyone is interested in your well being.

Ah, NY NY it's a hell of a town :P

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onlyreal · 11-08-2001, 09:21 AM

hehe guy you are saying this girl making girl-girl
masturbating
and selling these things videos

and this girls get shy when there are guys around

muhaha

i wanna ask better question

what kind of thing forced an 18 girl to give girl on girl photos and think of earning money from that job

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld:
I have a model, 18, a very nice girl who is new to the business. Not a "ho." "Toys, yes; boys, no" describes her limits. She got what she thought was a good gig with a site specializing in video of legal teens. Since that's what I do, she thought it would be much like working with me. NOT.

She knew she was going to be doing some masturbation with toys and some girl-girl. What she didn't know was that there would be a number of guys there who had nothing to do with the production. To make things worse, after she did what she was hired to do, the gawkers applauded, like they were at a show.

She thought that the video guys had brought some of their friends along to enjoy the the view, which upset her. What she didn't know is that this website routinely collects money from its members, without telling the models, for the privilege of observing the taping.

Since then, I've told her always to demand "a closed set" (nobody there who has nothing vital to do related to the production is present), and she shortly thereafter had a very positive experience with another, much more professional production company.

Now, I ask, what kind of spineless unethical snakes would invite an 18 year old girl to make an erotic video without telling her it was a recording of her live performance in front of a paying audience?

When she later found out what was really going on, she discovered why there was applause. The gawkers knew what she didn't: she was giving a live performance in addition to making a video.

dank · 11-08-2001, 10:02 AM

Big fucking deal!!! This is the porn industry! We're already breaking all the rules of what most people consider wrong or right anyways so why the hell should we have to kiss each others ass??

What is this? Some kind of secret society where we have to make a new set of rules for people in the porn biz?

Hell No!

When a girl signs up for porn she should expect to be seen by millions of people in all forms of media........she agreed to it......why would that not include a live audience???

Can anyone give me a response!!?

babyhuey · 11-08-2001, 10:12 AM

Hellllloooooooo IT'S THE PORN BIZ!!! I'm sure she got paid, if she felt weird she should have left. Let me know if you find tickets.

AaronM · 11-08-2001, 12:43 PM

HEY ALL YOU ASSHOLES!!!

Now that I have your attention... Let me buy you a few clues. The "Porn" business has a bad rap because of shit like this. Where does it say that you are expected to be a greedy underhanded dirtbag in order to be in the biz? I have noticed that a lot of webmasters also think that the model is a slut or whatever just because you is willing to do this. You guys that support this suck. Save your "exploited teen" crap for promoting your sites to the pervs. If you really think that is it "Cool" to fuck models over then GFY.

I have no problem with the guys letting their members sit in on the shoot but they should inform the model, make sure she is ok with it, and PAY her for that extra service.

The girl who unseen referred to has been in the biz for about a month. She in very non-confrontational. She is a student who has very little or no money and an extremely heavy workload that does not give her the time to get a 9 to 5 kinda job. Unseen and I are both very protective of her. Some girls are ok with being watched and others are not. THAT is called being an individual and we should all respect that instead of condemning her for it.

The guys that shot her are known for doing shit like this. They promise a minimum of $200 for a shoot and get the girls to think that it will be short and sweet. A few of my models have worked for them and they ALL told me that these guys NEVER pay more than $200, that they shoot everything on video, they usually ask for a lot more than they described on the phone, and an average shoot lasts 6 hours. $200 for a six hour girl/girl video shoot with friends and customers present? That is bullshit. What is next, have the customers pay to fuck the model on camera too? Sarcasm--->I bet all these whores would be into that! <---Sarcasm

As a content provider, I know I make money off naked girls but I do it professionally and honestly. If a girl seems uncomfortable for any reason, I stop the shoot and talk to her to make sure we are ok to proceed. I give her the option to respond to me instead of waiting until she has been pushed into a corner and has to defend herself.

I find it offensive that many of you support the behavior of the webmasters who do this kind of underhanded shit. For the first time, I am actually ashamed to be associated with you. I may be a smart ass most of the time but I do know where to draw a line. Asking for tickets has got to be one of the most fucked up , dickhead replies of all time. Perhaps you would like to buy tickets to see somebody shoot kiddie porn in the phillipines too? This thread should have been taken serriously.

For those of you who responded in favor of these bastards, I will be in Las Vegas for AdultDex and Internext. Please make sure and introduce yourselves to me so I can call you a prick to your face.

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Amputate Your Head · 11-08-2001, 01:03 PM

It basically boils down to this:

1. Serious lack of professionalism on the photographers part.

2. Serious lack of common sense and good judgement on the models part.

Result: Lots of money for the photographer and a model that leaves the studio feeling ripped off. Because she was. Nobody forced her to fuck a donkey. She did what was asked of her for the price quoted. And if she did anything more than that, then she's fuckin' stupid and should seriously consider either hiring an agent or getting out of the fuckin' biz and workin' at a counter in JC Pennys.

If I hired you to fix my car for $400, are you gonna then go ahead and fix my other 7 cars on the spot because I tell you to but for no extra money? Gimme a fucking break. I agree that what the guy did was pretty shitty, and I can't believe he manages to stay in business doing shoots like that. But... she's got two legs. She could've gotten up and walked out at any time. If she didn't like what was going on... leave. Simple as that. So stop fucking crying.

AWC · 11-08-2001, 01:14 PM

Porn is one thing... Rape is quite another... this is rape... an outrageous violation.

Because we are in the porn industry, we throw out all the rules? Anything goes as long as you can get over on someone?

IF that is your concept... I hope you get violated according to your own rules. It is precisely these things which give the industry a bad name.

I'll take a stand with Unseen and Aaron on this one. The rest of you can just get fucked according to your no rule concepts.

Whatever happened to ethics and integrity?

AaronM · 11-08-2001, 01:16 PM

Eat a dick AMP. I appreciate your positive feedback but you do not know this girl. Even though she gets nude in front of a camera, she is still shy. Not every girl is strong enough to just walk away. This is how a lot of girls lose their virinity. Putting pressure and making a model uncomfortable until she walks out is no way to do business.

Using your same example with the car thing... If the mechanic quoted you a price for the work then tried to get you to give more for the same work would you go for it? I think you would be stong enought to walk away but what about an 18 year old girl who is away from home and has virtually nobody to help her out? You have to know this girl to see the whole picture. I gaurentee that her body language said she was not ok with this.

^R3K^ · 11-08-2001, 01:20 PM

Aaron, You cocksucker.. once again a slapnuts has made a refference to child porn when it didnt have anything to do with that shit.. very few people condoned this shit, but you make it like every one who replied to the thread is fucked up. you jackass. if you and unseen knew this girl as well as you say and they have such a fucked up reputation as you say, the you should have told her. once again im not saying what they did was right. and why would you want people to intruduce their self at the show to you so you could get you ass beat in person, you slapnuts. you sit there and say that you dont think it is wrong that members sit in, but then you say that the people that asked about tickets are probably going to watch child porn. you jackass i thought that you were going to leave the board but you keep comming back here wanting to get abused more.
your just a over rightous fuck who wants to be somebody, well maybe you will someday when you grow up.

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gleem · 11-08-2001, 01:21 PM

You guys are some twisted fucks.

I feel like my MOM, but you're behaviour is inexcusable, and if I had it in my power, I would have people boycott your sites and content.

Don't you guys have any morals? It's hard to draw ethical lines in this bizness, but if there are any, you guys are miles beyond it.

Shame on you.

That poor girl.

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Trenton · 11-08-2001, 01:27 PM

She needs a ride on tha Bang Bus!

Amputate Your Head · 11-08-2001, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by AWC:
this is rape... an outrageous violation.

Are you on crack? Nobody raped anyone. She was paid.

^R3K^ · 11-08-2001, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by AWC:
Porn is one thing... Rape is quite another... this is rape... an outrageous violation.

Because we are in the porn industry, we throw out all the rules? Anything goes as long as you can get over on someone?

IF that is your concept... I hope you get violated according to your own rules. It is precisely these things which give the industry a bad name.

I'll take a stand with Unseen and Aaron on this one. The rest of you can just get fucked according to your no rule concepts.

Whatever happened to ethics and integrity?

Did you even read the first post?

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AaronM · 11-08-2001, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by ^R3K^:
Aaron, You cocksucker.. once again a slapnuts has made a refference to child porn when it didnt have anything to do with that shit.. very few people condoned this shit, but you make it like every one who replied to the thread is fucked up. you jackass. if you and unseen knew this girl as well as you say and they have such a fucked up reputation as you say, the you should have told her. once again im not saying what they did was right. and why would you want people to intruduce their self at the show to you so you could get you ass beat in person, you slapnuts. you sit there and say that you dont think it is wrong that members sit in, but then you say that the people that asked about tickets are probably going to watch child porn. you jackass i thought that you were going to leave the board but you keep comming back here wanting to get abused more.
your just a over rightous fuck who wants to be somebody, well maybe you will someday when you grow up.

If you are going to come to a battle of wits then you should be armed. How many times did you call me a name or insult me in your reply? Is this your idea of a grown up? Who needs to grow up?

My post SPECIFICALLY said it was directed to those that support this shit. Read it again or I can call and read it to you so you can understand.

Lastly I will address your question about why we did not tell her. I do not talk shit about people unless they have broken the law or have personally hurt me or my friends/family. People have different experiences with each other and should be allowed to make their own judgements. I did inform her of some of the things I heard about them but I did not try to shoot down their business.

If I could have chosen an icon that was flipping you off, I would have.

AaronM · 11-08-2001, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by ^R3K^:
Did you even read the first post?

Did you? I think you just replied to kiss a little ass... again.

bryany · 11-08-2001, 01:56 PM

I do agree that this was probably wrong...but.... like everyone is saying, why didn't she say something about them being there if she was uncomfortable. I mean its not like she was at gun-point saying they are gonna watch and you are gonna like it...

And why would she be shy? Doesn't she realize that the whole reason that she is making a video is for guys to watch??

And another note, them clapping is a compliment. I mean I would LOVE to have a round of applause after I was done!!

lol

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Amputate Your Head · 11-08-2001, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM:
I do not talk shit about people unless they have broken the law or have personally hurt me or my friends/family. People have different experiences with each other and should be allowed to make their own judgements. I did inform her of some of the things I heard about them but I did not try to shoot down their business.

Okay fine... but you can't have it both ways man... you either give some friendly advice to girls like her to stay the hell away from the guy, give her some education on what to look out for, or you let them figure it out for themselves the hard way through some tough experience. But if you choose to do that, don't cry about how bad she got fucked later. You could've prevented it and you didn't. So now it's something she can chalk up to the learning process at this point and hopefully be smart enough to not let it happen again.

Amputate Your Head · 11-08-2001, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by bryany:
I do agree that this was probably wrong...but.... like everyone is saying, why didn't she say something about them being there if she was uncomfortable. I mean its not like she was at gun-point saying they are gonna watch and you are gonna like it...

And why would she be shy? Doesn't she realize that the whole reason that she is making a video is for guys to watch??

And another note, them clapping is a compliment. I mean I would LOVE to have a round of applause after I was done!! lol

You're whole damn post is right on the freakin' money.

^R3K^ · 11-08-2001, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM:
Did you? I think you just replied to kiss a little ass... again.

What? who's ass am i kissing, slappy?

your a funny little man

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bryany · 11-08-2001, 02:08 PM

But it's the truth right?

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:

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Originally posted by bryany:
I do agree that this was probably wrong...but.... like everyone is saying, why didn't she say something about them being there if she was uncomfortable. I mean its not like she was at gun-point saying they are gonna watch and you are gonna like it...

And why would she be shy? Doesn't she realize that the whole reason that she is making a video is for guys to watch??

And another note, them clapping is a compliment. I mean I would LOVE to have a round of applause after I was done!! lol

You're whole damn post is right on the freakin' money.

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dank · 11-08-2001, 02:08 PM

I have tickets! Anyone want to buy them?

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Amputate Your Head · 11-08-2001, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by bryany:
But it's the truth right?

Damn skippy...

AaronM · 11-08-2001, 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:

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Originally posted by AaronM:
I do not talk shit about people unless they have broken the law or have personally hurt me or my friends/family. People have different experiences with each other and should be allowed to make their own judgements. I did inform her of some of the things I heard about them but I did not try to shoot down their business.

Okay fine... but you can't have it both ways man... you either give some friendly advice to girls like her to stay the hell away from the guy, give her some education on what to look out for, or you let them figure it out for themselves the hard way through some tough experience. But if you choose to do that, don't cry about how bad she got fucked later. You could've prevented it and you didn't. So now it's something she can chalk up to the learning process at this point and hopefully be smart enough to not let it happen again.

How could I have prevented this? I gave her enough info let her make her own decision. She chose poorly. I am not crying about how she got fucked. I am pissed that a few people think it is cool that she got fucked.

I also agree with Bryany but that does not mean the this girls feels the same way. My point is that we need to respect a persons individual limits and be responsible enough to know when we may be pushing those limits. We are not a kid who has to keep pushing the buttons and not stop until we get a reaction.

Amputate Your Head · 11-08-2001, 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM:
How could I have prevented this?

You said you know her, but didn't wanna talk shit about the guy's business... sounds like an opportunity for prevention to me.

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I gave her enough info let her make her own decision. She chose poorly.

Thank you. She fucked up all on her own. End of story.

Lev · 11-08-2001, 02:21 PM

Hey Dank reserve a ticket for me

It's like in those talk shows or Seinfeld's or other comedy shows they are all filmed infront of an live audience. I don't see what's the big deal in this. First of all, that girl is not an innocent angel that she felt bad about it. She agreed to play with toys and do lesbian shoots with other girls, that thousand's of people are gonna watch, but she was intimidated by a few people who were watching her? Common Please, it's funny.

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CDSmith · 11-08-2001, 02:30 PM

These women are the absolute backbone of the industry. Without them, with no gorgeous women that are willing to do the things that men everywhere want to see (and women), there would BE no adult industry, period. In light of that fact, these women need and deserve to be treated with some respect.

I allow no one to be present that isn't required to be present. If the model wants to "bring a friend along" for her own comfort, I make sure and ask her if she is going to mind posing with that person present. Otherwise it's just her and I and my assistant (If I require an assistant). It is a good idea to have one person other than the photog and the model to act as a witness, but the model's comfort is important. Anyone that thinks different is likely not seeing a lot of repeat business from their models. Mine call me constantly looking for more work, and it is largely because I treat them like people.

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Amputate Your Head · 11-08-2001, 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith:
I allow no one to be present that isn't required to be present.

Exactly how a pro photographer should operate.

shunga · 11-08-2001, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:She fucked up all on her own.

Who do you think was most to blame? Those who took advantage of an 18 year old girl, or the girl who was taken advantage of?

AaronM · 11-08-2001, 02:34 PM

Why is this funny? She expected a closed set and then got a live audience later to find out that they paid to watch. How is that funny?

Yes AMP, she did fuck up on her own after I made a few comments about them but does that make it right?

I am not saying that we should cry for her, I am saying that we should not support people who do these kind of things. If the guys had said: "We will pay you $xxx for a live show with our members present" then none of this wouold have been an issue. She could have said yes or no. What they did was tell her one thing on the phone and then expected another when she got there. Why should she be inconvienced with a trip to their place and then find out what they really want? That is a waste of her time and money. This girl has no car and few friends with a car so she would have put money out for cab or whatever just to get there. It just is not right.

Amputate Your Head · 11-08-2001, 02:35 PM

If she expected a closed set and it wasn't, SHE SHOULD HAVE WALKED!!!

Amputate Your Head · 11-08-2001, 02:37 PM

And just because she's broke is no excuse. If she didn't wanna do the shoot.... walk the fuck out. Problem solved. She chose to stay.

AaronM · 11-08-2001, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith:
These women are the absolute backbone of the industry. Without them, with no gorgeous women that are willing to do the things that men everywhere want to see (and women), there would BE no adult industry, period. In light of that fact, these women need and deserve to be treated with some respect.

I allow no one to be present that isn't required to be present. If the model wants to "bring a friend along" for her own comfort, I make sure and ask her if she is going to mind posing with that person present. Otherwise it's just her and I and my assistant (If I require an assistant). It is a good idea to have one person other than the photog and the model to act as a witness, but the model's comfort is important. Anyone that thinks different is likely not seeing a lot of repeat business from their models. Mine call me constantly looking for more work, and it is largely because I treat them like people.

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AaronM · 11-08-2001, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
And just because she's broke is no excuse. If she didn't wanna do the shoot.... walk the fuck out. Problem solved. She chose to stay.

So fucking what? She should not have been treated like this in the first place. If she had walked, we would still be discussing the fact that they misled and inconvenienced her.

Amputate Your Head · 11-08-2001, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM:
So fucking what? She should not have been treated like this in the first place. If she had walked, we would still be discussing the fact that they misled and inconvenienced her.

So she would have been inconvenienced... well boo-fucking-hoo... I'm fucking inconvenienced every goddamned day of my fucking life.

AaronM · 11-08-2001, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:

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Originally posted by AaronM:
So fucking what? She should not have been treated like this in the first place. If she had walked, we would still be discussing the fact that they misled and inconvenienced her.

So she would have been inconvenienced... well boo-fucking-hoo... I'm fucking inconvenienced every goddamned day of my fucking life.

Lets not forget about the misled part. They lied about what they wanted to shoot and they lie about the pay. This is what upsets me. What is wrong with being honest from the start? Why is it so hard for you to see this? I challenge anybody to find a model that Unseen or I have worked with that will give either of us a bad reference.

Amputate Your Head · 11-08-2001, 02:52 PM

Look bro.... no one is arguing that the guy obviously has some shady business practices. But do you honestly think this is some kinda new phenomenon? So he's a fuckstick. Get over it. People get fucked at the drivethru at Burger King every day of the week.

Ever driven a long way for a job interview or something, only to find out the pay or benefits weren't what you were expecting? And did you take the fucking job anyway just because you had to drive for 20 minutes to get there and didn't want it to be a wasted trip? Get a fucking grip on yourself man...

No... I agree... no one should be misled or inconvenienced ever anywhere. But this is still Planet Earth. It happens all the time. And just because it happened in our industry all the sudden the fucking sky is falling.

What if she had walked out? What about the photographers inconvenience then? After he's set everything up in preparation? Are we going to cry for him too? "Lousy fuckin' model wouldn't go through with the shoot..."

Sure... she got misled. Again... no one forced her to do the fucking job.

Kimmykim · 11-08-2001, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by Lev:
I don't see what's the big deal in this. First of all, that girl is not an innocent angel that she felt bad about it. She agreed to play with toys and do lesbian shoots with other girls, that thousand's of people are gonna watch, but she was intimidated by a few people who were watching her? Common Please, it's funny."

Stupid is as stupid does.

cdsmith you are entirely right -- these girls do make us plenty of money.

Nothing bugs me like a hypocrite and it seems there are quite a few of them posting here.

CDSmith · 11-08-2001, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM:
I want to shake your hand. Will yo be in Vegas for either show?

Sadly no, not this time around. Possibly the following one, maybe towards the spring or summer, but not this one.

And I'd enjoy meeting you and some others very much.

Kimmy -- Yes, we do make a lot of money off of the models, definitely. I guess to further my point I would suggest that we treat everyone with respect, not just those we depend on for content.

Respect seems to be a concept that is lost on some people. The company in the above case seems to lack it completely.
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Amputate Your Head · 11-08-2001, 03:29 PM

My auto-repair company tried to fuck me over once... (for real).. ONCE. Here's how I fixed it:

#1. First thing I did was make damn sure I got satisfaction instead of getting fucked.

#2. The second thing I did was to never go back to the cheatin' fuckers ever again.

#3. Third thing I did was give serious warnings about them to everyone, everytime, everywhere the subject came up.

This is not a hard frame of mind or objective to obtain... all that is required is a firm resolution to not be bent over by everyone and used as a fucking doormat.

11-08-2001, 02:30 PM	#37
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11-08-2001, 01:22 AM	#1
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	There are some real snakes in this industry I have a model, 18, a very nice girl who is new to the business. Not a "ho." "Toys, yes; boys, no" describes her limits. She got what she thought was a good gig with a site specializing in video of legal teens. Since that's what I do, she thought it would be much like working with me. NOT. She knew she was going to be doing some masturbation with toys and some girl-girl. What she didn't know was that there would be a number of guys there who had nothing to do with the production. To make things worse, after she did what she was hired to do, the gawkers applauded, like they were at a show. She thought that the video guys had brought some of their friends along to enjoy the the view, which upset her. What she didn't know is that this website routinely collects money from its members, without telling the models, for the privilege of observing the taping. Since then, I've told her always to demand "a closed set" (nobody there who has nothing vital to do related to the production is present), and she shortly thereafter had a very positive experience with another, much more professional production company. Now, I ask, what kind of spineless unethical snakes would invite an 18 year old girl to make an erotic video without telling her it was a recording of her live performance in front of a paying audience? When she later found out what was really going on, she discovered why there was applause. The gawkers knew what she didn't: she was giving a live performance in addition to making a video. ------------------ Check out the new content at Wonders of the Unseen World

11-08-2001, 01:53 AM	#2
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Where can I get tickets for the next show?

11-08-2001, 02:41 AM	#4
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Do they serve popcorn? I like the real buttery kind.

11-08-2001, 02:45 AM	#5
rollin Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 436	hot dogs, get your hot dogs!

11-08-2001, 03:08 AM	#6
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	Why didn't the model just ask what the fuck all the weird dudes standing around where there for? If she didn't feel comfortable, she could have walked. Last I checked, it's a free country. Not saying those guys who hired her were right. I'm just saying if you think the porn industry is the only place with snakes, here's a quarter because you need to buy a clue. Assholes abound out there. If you think people will always hold your hand and look both ways for you before you cross - you're gonna get fucked harder than a sheep at a lonely Scotsmans house. Where I come from, people yell "jump" when they see you standing on a roof, or a ledge. Not everyone is interested in your well being.

11-08-2001, 08:06 AM	#7
Jer God is Brazilian Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Brazil Posts: 10,601	UnseenWorld, that is the bad side of this industry These fuckers think the girl is a whore or something just because she does modeling stuff. ------------------ Lightspeed Cash - original content makes you $$$

11-08-2001, 08:11 AM	#8
^R3K^ Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,815	Steve a clue is a lot more than a Quarter These Days!!! by the way i would go like to know if you can get tickets from ticketmaster or is this a eclusive thing? ------------------ HotFreePics.net Submit Your Tgp2 Gallerys

11-08-2001, 08:28 AM	#9
Slick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houghton, MI Posts: 7,338	That's pretty lame for them to do that. If they were gonna do that, they should've at least asked if it was ok with her or perhaps offered her a cut of the profits. Now, if that was me doing something like that and I had a female audience applauding me, I wouldn't complain, I'd ask for audience participation, ha ha ha.

11-08-2001, 08:40 AM	#11
cyberpunk Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,377	Unseenworld These guys are the low end of the world... when I arrange shoot I don't even stay myself if my photographer instead of me is shooting. I'm betting this happen more then some of us would like to think though ------------------ got EVIL?.... get EVIL! Make $$ from traffic you didn't even know you had

11-08-2001, 10:02 AM	#14
dank Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,674	Big fucking deal!!! This is the porn industry! We're already breaking all the rules of what most people consider wrong or right anyways so why the hell should we have to kiss each others ass?? What is this? Some kind of secret society where we have to make a new set of rules for people in the porn biz? Hell No! When a girl signs up for porn she should expect to be seen by millions of people in all forms of media........she agreed to it......why would that not include a live audience??? Can anyone give me a response!!?

11-08-2001, 10:12 AM	#15
babyhuey Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Oz Posts: 189	Hellllloooooooo IT'S THE PORN BIZ!!! I'm sure she got paid, if she felt weird she should have left. Let me know if you find tickets.

11-08-2001, 12:43 PM	#16
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	HEY ALL YOU ASSHOLES!!! Now that I have your attention... Let me buy you a few clues. The "Porn" business has a bad rap because of shit like this. Where does it say that you are expected to be a greedy underhanded dirtbag in order to be in the biz? I have noticed that a lot of webmasters also think that the model is a slut or whatever just because you is willing to do this. You guys that support this suck. Save your "exploited teen" crap for promoting your sites to the pervs. If you really think that is it "Cool" to fuck models over then GFY. I have no problem with the guys letting their members sit in on the shoot but they should inform the model, make sure she is ok with it, and PAY her for that extra service. The girl who unseen referred to has been in the biz for about a month. She in very non-confrontational. She is a student who has very little or no money and an extremely heavy workload that does not give her the time to get a 9 to 5 kinda job. Unseen and I are both very protective of her. Some girls are ok with being watched and others are not. THAT is called being an individual and we should all respect that instead of condemning her for it. The guys that shot her are known for doing shit like this. They promise a minimum of $200 for a shoot and get the girls to think that it will be short and sweet. A few of my models have worked for them and they ALL told me that these guys NEVER pay more than $200, that they shoot everything on video, they usually ask for a lot more than they described on the phone, and an average shoot lasts 6 hours. $200 for a six hour girl/girl video shoot with friends and customers present? That is bullshit. What is next, have the customers pay to fuck the model on camera too? Sarcasm--->I bet all these whores would be into that! <---Sarcasm As a content provider, I know I make money off naked girls but I do it professionally and honestly. If a girl seems uncomfortable for any reason, I stop the shoot and talk to her to make sure we are ok to proceed. I give her the option to respond to me instead of waiting until she has been pushed into a corner and has to defend herself. I find it offensive that many of you support the behavior of the webmasters who do this kind of underhanded shit. For the first time, I am actually ashamed to be associated with you. I may be a smart ass most of the time but I do know where to draw a line. Asking for tickets has got to be one of the most fucked up , dickhead replies of all time. Perhaps you would like to buy tickets to see somebody shoot kiddie porn in the phillipines too? This thread should have been taken serriously. For those of you who responded in favor of these bastards, I will be in Las Vegas for AdultDex and Internext. Please make sure and introduce yourselves to me so I can call you a prick to your face. ------------------ Aaron Matthews Productions aaron-matthews.com

11-08-2001, 01:03 PM	#17
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	It basically boils down to this: 1. Serious lack of professionalism on the photographers part. 2. Serious lack of common sense and good judgement on the models part. Result: Lots of money for the photographer and a model that leaves the studio feeling ripped off. Because she was. Nobody forced her to fuck a donkey. She did what was asked of her for the price quoted. And if she did anything more than that, then she's fuckin' stupid and should seriously consider either hiring an agent or getting out of the fuckin' biz and workin' at a counter in JC Pennys. If I hired you to fix my car for $400, are you gonna then go ahead and fix my other 7 cars on the spot because I tell you to but for no extra money? Gimme a fucking break. I agree that what the guy did was pretty shitty, and I can't believe he manages to stay in business doing shoots like that. But... she's got two legs. She could've gotten up and walked out at any time. If she didn't like what was going on... leave. Simple as that. So stop fucking crying.

11-08-2001, 01:14 PM	#18
AWC Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Bumfuck Posts: 1,223	Porn is one thing... Rape is quite another... this is rape... an outrageous violation. Because we are in the porn industry, we throw out all the rules? Anything goes as long as you can get over on someone? IF that is your concept... I hope you get violated according to your own rules. It is precisely these things which give the industry a bad name. I'll take a stand with Unseen and Aaron on this one. The rest of you can just get fucked according to your no rule concepts. Whatever happened to ethics and integrity?

11-08-2001, 01:16 PM	#19
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	Eat a dick AMP. I appreciate your positive feedback but you do not know this girl. Even though she gets nude in front of a camera, she is still shy. Not every girl is strong enough to just walk away. This is how a lot of girls lose their virinity. Putting pressure and making a model uncomfortable until she walks out is no way to do business. Using your same example with the car thing... If the mechanic quoted you a price for the work then tried to get you to give more for the same work would you go for it? I think you would be stong enought to walk away but what about an 18 year old girl who is away from home and has virtually nobody to help her out? You have to know this girl to see the whole picture. I gaurentee that her body language said she was not ok with this.

11-08-2001, 01:20 PM	#20
^R3K^ Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,815	Aaron, You cocksucker.. once again a slapnuts has made a refference to child porn when it didnt have anything to do with that shit.. very few people condoned this shit, but you make it like every one who replied to the thread is fucked up. you jackass. if you and unseen knew this girl as well as you say and they have such a fucked up reputation as you say, the you should have told her. once again im not saying what they did was right. and why would you want people to intruduce their self at the show to you so you could get you ass beat in person, you slapnuts. you sit there and say that you dont think it is wrong that members sit in, but then you say that the people that asked about tickets are probably going to watch child porn. you jackass i thought that you were going to leave the board but you keep comming back here wanting to get abused more. your just a over rightous fuck who wants to be somebody, well maybe you will someday when you grow up. ------------------ HotFreePics.net Submit Your Tgp2 Gallerys

11-08-2001, 01:21 PM	#21
gleem Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunny Land Posts: 5,593	You guys are some twisted fucks. I feel like my MOM, but you're behaviour is inexcusable, and if I had it in my power, I would have people boycott your sites and content. Don't you guys have any morals? It's hard to draw ethical lines in this bizness, but if there are any, you guys are miles beyond it. Shame on you. That poor girl. ------------------ <A HREF="http://www.avslounge.com/fun-o-rama.html" TARGET=_blank> The new Fun-O-Rama section of AVSLounge.com Funny Pics and Videos for webmasters!</A>

11-08-2001, 01:27 PM	#22
Trenton Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Albany Posts: 471	She needs a ride on tha Bang Bus!

11-08-2001, 01:56 PM	#27
bryany Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: AZ Posts: 2,037	I do agree that this was probably wrong...but.... like everyone is saying, why didn't she say something about them being there if she was uncomfortable. I mean its not like she was at gun-point saying they are gonna watch and you are gonna like it... And why would she be shy? Doesn't she realize that the whole reason that she is making a video is for guys to watch?? And another note, them clapping is a compliment. I mean I would LOVE to have a round of applause after I was done!! lol ------------------ Finally You can Promote the Infamous Strippers.com http://www.strippers.com/webmasters Even Gary likes it! =)

11-08-2001, 02:08 PM	#32
dank Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,674	I have tickets! Anyone want to buy them? Show starts Saturday! ------------------ Dank Photographer/future free site owner Boneprone Family 4-LIFE

11-08-2001, 02:21 PM	#36
Lev Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,545	Hey Dank reserve a ticket for me It's like in those talk shows or Seinfeld's or other comedy shows they are all filmed infront of an live audience. I don't see what's the big deal in this. First of all, that girl is not an innocent angel that she felt bad about it. She agreed to play with toys and do lesbian shoots with other girls, that thousand's of people are gonna watch, but she was intimidated by a few people who were watching her? Common Please, it's funny. Lev, http://www.ProfessionalCash.com

11-08-2001, 02:34 PM	#40
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	Why is this funny? She expected a closed set and then got a live audience later to find out that they paid to watch. How is that funny? Yes AMP, she did fuck up on her own after I made a few comments about them but does that make it right? I am not saying that we should cry for her, I am saying that we should not support people who do these kind of things. If the guys had said: "We will pay you $xxx for a live show with our members present" then none of this wouold have been an issue. She could have said yes or no. What they did was tell her one thing on the phone and then expected another when she got there. Why should she be inconvienced with a trip to their place and then find out what they really want? That is a waste of her time and money. This girl has no car and few friends with a car so she would have put money out for cab or whatever just to get there. It just is not right.

11-08-2001, 02:35 PM	#41
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	If she expected a closed set and it wasn't, SHE SHOULD HAVE WALKED!!!

11-08-2001, 02:37 PM	#42
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	And just because she's broke is no excuse. If she didn't wanna do the shoot.... walk the fuck out. Problem solved. She chose to stay.

11-08-2001, 02:52 PM	#47
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Look bro.... no one is arguing that the guy obviously has some shady business practices. But do you honestly think this is some kinda new phenomenon? So he's a fuckstick. Get over it. People get fucked at the drivethru at Burger King every day of the week. Ever driven a long way for a job interview or something, only to find out the pay or benefits weren't what you were expecting? And did you take the fucking job anyway just because you had to drive for 20 minutes to get there and didn't want it to be a wasted trip? Get a fucking grip on yourself man... No... I agree... no one should be misled or inconvenienced ever anywhere. But this is still Planet Earth. It happens all the time. And just because it happened in our industry all the sudden the fucking sky is falling. What if she had walked out? What about the photographers inconvenience then? After he's set everything up in preparation? Are we going to cry for him too? "Lousy fuckin' model wouldn't go through with the shoot..." Sure... she got misled. Again... no one forced her to do the fucking job.

11-08-2001, 03:29 PM	#50
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	My auto-repair company tried to fuck me over once... (for real).. ONCE. Here's how I fixed it: #1. First thing I did was make damn sure I got satisfaction instead of getting fucked. #2. The second thing I did was to never go back to the cheatin' fuckers ever again. #3. Third thing I did was give serious warnings about them to everyone, everytime, everywhere the subject came up. This is not a hard frame of mind or objective to obtain... all that is required is a firm resolution to not be bent over by everyone and used as a fucking doormat.