Is 2257 going to affect Canadian Webmasters? - GoFuckYourself.com

HammerALL · 07-28-2004, 07:52 AM

Does anyone know if this new law is applicable to Canada?

And if it is not - won't this provoke the moviing of TGPs and banners etc to Canadian owned domains?

RicardoB · 07-28-2004, 07:55 AM

I don't think it will and yes if excuted a lotta webmasters might move their shit out of the US.

Imageauction · 07-28-2004, 04:55 PM

The question is do you have any contact with the US

1) hosted on US servers
2) payments from us affiliate programs
3) .com, .net, .org domain names
4) 3rd party billing in the US
5) is your site viewable by US consumers

If so they could still argue that you need to comply. The US government loves to extend its laws outside its borders and will if given the opportunity. They probably won't seek extradition but don't ever think of visiting or passing through the US ever as they might have a warrant out for you.

zanycash Pete · 07-28-2004, 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by RicardoB
I don't think it will and yes if excuted a lotta webmasters might move their shit out of the US.

They would need to reside outside U.S as well!

freeadultcontent · 07-28-2004, 05:03 PM

Yes I moved my banners to Canada.

Damn people, why the friggen panic?
90% of people are not compliant now as it currently is written. Even after the fines and the jail times were increased.

Now people are running around like a comet is about to hit the planet because a few things got changed. Read the law, its not that disturbing.

Dagwolf · 07-28-2004, 05:10 PM

The good thing about being in Canada: The U.S. can't come over to your place of business and search your records to see if you're compliant.

The bad part is, if anyone in the U.S. promotes your Canadian progam (or buys your Canadian content, etc) you must be able to supply them with adequate records so that THEY can be compliant.

Kimmykim · 07-28-2004, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by Dagwolf
The bad part is, if anyone in the U.S. promotes your Canadian progam (or buys your Canadian content, etc) you must be able to supply them with adequate records so that THEY can be compliant.

B I N G O

jonesy · 07-28-2004, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by Imageauction
The question is do you have any contact with the US

1) hosted on US servers
2) payments from us affiliate programs
3) .com, .net, .org domain names
4) 3rd party billing in the US
5) is your site viewable by US consumers

If so they could still argue that you need to comply. The US government loves to extend its laws outside its borders and will if given the opportunity. They probably won't seek extradition but don't ever think of visiting or passing through the US ever as they might have a warrant out for you.

if your server and company dont reside in the U.S., your not an american citizen and you dont reside in the U.S. you have nothing to worry about regarding american laws.

i would check out canada's laws regarding adult content to make sure you comply with their laws..

the U.S. has no jurisdiction in any country other than the U.S. and the idea of the U.S. can "extend its laws outside its borders" is laughable.

name a country that follow's our laws? zero.

if you visited the U.S., you wouldnt have a warrant nor would anyone would be waiting for you.

FlyingIguana · 07-28-2004, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by Imageauction
The question is do you have any contact with the US

1) hosted on US servers
2) payments from us affiliate programs
3) .com, .net, .org domain names
4) 3rd party billing in the US
5) is your site viewable by US consumers

If so they could still argue that you need to comply. The US government loves to extend its laws outside its borders and will if given the opportunity. They probably won't seek extradition but don't ever think of visiting or passing through the US ever as they might have a warrant out for you.

is there a way you can find out if a warrant is out for you? like a 1800 number or something?

must be something

darnit · 07-28-2004, 08:58 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana
is there a way you can find out if a warrant is out for you? like a 1800 number or something?

must be something

Walk up to any cop and ask them to run your info.... just be prepared to get handcuffed and go to jail if you guess wrong.

xxxdesign-net · 07-28-2004, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by Imageauction

5) is your site viewable by US consumers

please.. anything on the web is available to US consumers... Amsterdam legalised pot.. is Amsterdam available to US citizen? Can the US sanctions Amsterdam for it..?

Mike Okitch · 07-28-2004, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by jonesy
the U.S. has no jurisdiction in any country other than the U.S. and the idea of the U.S. can "extend its laws outside its borders" is laughable.

name a country that follow's our laws? zero.

The idea of the U.S. extending it's laws outside it's borders is laughable.

That being said, they sure like to try. Be it in adult or in any other field.

No country follows the U.S. laws but the FBI sure has an office where I live (Vancouver). I don't want to go in details on a public board but I have known individuals that have had their offices busted by the RCMP while FBI agents where on scene. That tells me that nothing would stop them from busting someone they would really want but that would have to be major and having sloppy record keeping for 2257 which isn't even applicable here wouldn't cut it.

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if you visited the U.S., you wouldnt have a warrant nor would anyone would be waiting for you.

They won't have a warrant just for sloppy record keeping. If you can't go back in the U.S., it's because you really messed up.

Mike Okitch · 07-28-2004, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana
is there a way you can find out if a warrant is out for you? like a 1800 number or something?

must be something

That's one thing lawyers are used for.

wesbob2k4 · 07-28-2004, 09:34 PM

Canadian women are hot as hell any way.....Maybe ill just move to canada instead...

psyko514 · 07-28-2004, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent

Yes I moved my banners to Canada.

Damn people, why the friggen panic?
90% of people are not compliant now as it currently is written. Even after the fines and the jail times were increased.

Now people are running around like a comet is about to hit the planet because a few things got changed. Read the law, its not that disturbing.

Exactly what I think. Not mention the majority of us aren't large enough to grab attention from the law either.

Gheenz · 07-28-2004, 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by darnit
Walk up to any cop and ask them to run your info.... just be prepared to get handcuffed and go to jail if you guess wrong.

LMFAO!!! Some good advice...but my thinking is...if you have to ask, I think you already know the answer.

Easton · 07-29-2004, 02:03 AM

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Originally posted by RicardoB
I don't think it will and yes if excuted a lotta webmasters might move their shit out of the US.

exactly, Canada is free and clear for now...

FlyingIguana · 07-29-2004, 04:40 AM

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Originally posted by Mike Okitch
That's one thing lawyers are used for.

i'm not paying some overpriced lawyer to get his secretary to make a phone call...

HammerALL · 07-29-2004, 07:32 AM

Thanks for the input everyone!

sumphatpimp · 07-29-2004, 07:59 AM

anybody ever take the time to figure out what it would take to actually put this law into practice?

just how many US webmasters have explicit pics on the net?

then you need to find agents to go out and check their records.

and come back in 4 months and do it again.

where is all the bodies and money coming from to do this?

says right in the law it can't cost more than $1,000,000 total.

you would burn that up quick checking how many uS webmasters?

I think Ashcrash was having a fantasy.

sherie · 07-29-2004, 08:34 AM

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Originally posted by Dagwolf
The good thing about being in Canada: The U.S. can't come over to your place of business and search your records to see if you're compliant.

The bad part is, if anyone in the U.S. promotes your Canadian progam (or buys your Canadian content, etc) you must be able to supply them with adequate records so that THEY can be compliant.

And that is the way it should be. Having records is a good thing and supplying them is no big deal if you are complient.

The sky is not falling, but one way or another we are going to be affected.

angelsofporn · 07-29-2004, 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by sumphatpimp
anybody ever take the time to figure out what it would take to actually put this law into practice?

just how many US webmasters have explicit pics on the net?

then you need to find agents to go out and check their records.

and come back in 4 months and do it again.

where is all the bodies and money coming from to do this?

says right in the law it can't cost more than $1,000,000 total.

you would burn that up quick checking how many uS webmasters?

I think Ashcrash was having a fantasy.

Where do you see the line about it not costing over 1,000,000?

Denis_SC · 07-29-2004, 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
please.. anything on the web is available to US consumers... Amsterdam legalised pot.. is Amsterdam available to US citizen? Can the US sanctions Amsterdam for it..?

That was a good one !

... · 07-29-2004, 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by angelsofporn
Where do you see the line about it not costing over 1,000,000?

Yea, I'm interested to know too.

FlyingIguana · 07-29-2004, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sumphatpimp
anybody ever take the time to figure out what it would take to actually put this law into practice?

just how many US webmasters have explicit pics on the net?

then you need to find agents to go out and check their records.

and come back in 4 months and do it again.

where is all the bodies and money coming from to do this?

says right in the law it can't cost more than $1,000,000 total.

you would burn that up quick checking how many uS webmasters?

I think Ashcrash was having a fantasy.

what he'll do is go after companies he doesn't like to scare the rest and show his supporters he's cracking down on porn

emmanuelle · 07-29-2004, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by Imageauction
The question is do you have any contact with the US

1) hosted on US servers
2) payments from us affiliate programs
3) .com, .net, .org domain names
4) 3rd party billing in the US
5) is your site viewable by US consumers

If so they could still argue that you need to comply. The US government loves to extend its laws outside its borders and will if given the opportunity. They probably won't seek extradition but don't ever think of visiting or passing through the US ever as they might have a warrant out for you.

They still cannot revoke one's billing etc until you have been proven guilty. Nobody is going to wake up and suddenly realize that their server & billing has been turned off over a clerical error.

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HammerALL Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,506	Is 2257 going to affect Canadian Webmasters? Does anyone know if this new law is applicable to Canada? And if it is not - won't this provoke the moviing of TGPs and banners etc to Canadian owned domains? __________________ Mario Amaral AKA: Hammerall Affiliate Sales \| Email:[email protected] Skype: Hammerall \| ICQ: 190272140 Last edited by HammerALL; 07-28-2004 at 07:56 AM..

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Dagwolf President of Canada Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leaving Hell, Entering Limbo Posts: 23,141	The good thing about being in Canada: The U.S. can't come over to your place of business and search your records to see if you're compliant. The bad part is, if anyone in the U.S. promotes your Canadian progam (or buys your Canadian content, etc) you must be able to supply them with adequate records so that THEY can be compliant. __________________ Sleep well, and dream of large women.

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sumphatpimp Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,235	anybody ever take the time to figure out what it would take to actually put this law into practice? just how many US webmasters have explicit pics on the net? then you need to find agents to go out and check their records. and come back in 4 months and do it again. where is all the bodies and money coming from to do this? says right in the law it can't cost more than $1,000,000 total. you would burn that up quick checking how many uS webmasters? I think Ashcrash was having a fantasy.