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Chris E

Interesting thread...

Dusen

I would have to say that education is a waste of time depending on what you choose to study and why.

If you take an arts degree just to go to university and party then you are wasting your time.

Most universities have become a "money machine" based on people like that, and has decided to ignore the people that REALLY want to learn. Better to get 10 people that will fall into their "degree program" and spit em out then 1 person who is going to give them administrative hassles. If you want to be another cookie cutter graduate into an oversaturated society, seems like a wonderful way to do it.

If you go to school with a goal in mind and then make that goal happen, I'd hardly call that a waste of time. I wish universities would move back to the "old way" of educating people who were intelligent, and wanted to advance themselves in a specific field simply because they thrived on learning and discovering.

Not Suzy Bigtits whose daddy runs Dayton tire and he sends her to study something because he never got to. She drinks, parties, and fails half her classes @ 20k/year.

Why is she even there? Why not take up a trade or get experience working.

I've never heard of anyone regret being educated in something they enjoyed, and chose to become educated in that field. Remember, you should always have a plan B, no matter how well things are going for you in any field.

You can make money either with or without a university or college degree. Don't think otherwise.

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blazin

A degree opens up opportunities that are otherwise closed to you... whether or not you use your knowledge in your chosen field

Ash@phpFX

im studying 3 so obviously i dont think its a waste of time. i will get a damn good job when ive finished them too

Chris E

3 wow... what are you doing?

lynch1000s

The point of a liberal arts degree is to teach you how to learn, teach you how to be a critical thinker, and to make you a lifelong learner.

It doesn't matter how talented you are, without a degree, you only have a limited number of options.

I got into the adult industry right out of high school, made a good living for several years, and thought that college was a waste of time. Unfortunately now, I have no degree, I'm not having the same success in the industry like I used to. Luckily, I grew up in a rich family, and I can go back to college to finish up my degree. But if I didn't have the opportunity to go back and get a degree, I'd be in a very tight situation right now, and I don't know what I'd be doing.

Anyways, a degree opens doors for you, helps you develop your character, and allows you to learn things that you probably never would've studied on your own.

I've learned a lot more being in the adult industry than I ever did in school. But school has opened my eyes to a broad range of topics that I never would've learned on my own. And once I finish up my degree, I feel I'll be head and shoulders above everyone else in the "real world."

monro

You should need some education Darren, that's for sure.
In how to behave I mean. Sooner or later you can't hide anonymus any longer in front of your computer insulting, for you unknown, people.

Sarah_Jayne

I am and it depends on why you are doing it in the first place. If you are only doing it so that you can get a corner office one day than maybe it isn't worth it. However, if you are doing it for the sake of education - ie you want to learn something new and expand your brain - then for me it was worth it. It was also a personal accomplishment.

Some people want to climb a mountain and others want to wear a cap and gown.

Hammer

I guess the multi-millionaire you spoke with won't mind mind that the doctors that perform his bypass surgery didn't go to college.

And then of course, he won't mind that the lawyers he hires to sue the doctors that fuck up the surgery don't have a college education either.

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Sarah_Jayne

bingo! that is what it is about. Not the bit of paper, not the job prospects, and not even the exact facts you learn in the lectures but but how it teaches you to think - which is not the same as telling you WHAT to think.

I was lucky that I had a teacher in high school (for a number of years..she was the only one teaching that level history) that made the point of her class to teach us how to use our brain and that continued into University.

It is like pushups for the brain that ensurses (particuarly in my majors) that you never look at the world the same again.

Darren

monro the moron returns, good to see u.

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GonePhishing

I think education is totally important. If you are not running your own business, then you really do need to have some form of a degree. Even so, it's nice to have something to fall back on if you do have to actually get a job that is not on the web or not your own business.

Of course this may not be what everyone thinks, but for those who are just trying to have regular work life (which I realize some people would say is boring) having a degree seems to be the safe route.

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theking

If your "multi millionaire" friend actually made that statement then he is a fool.

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theking.......................

It was me who made the statement to Darren and I assure you I am no fool.


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theking

Your opinion...but in my opinion the proof that you are a fool is in the statement.

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theking

To be alittle more diplomatic...at the least it is a foolish statement.

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I have my opinions just like you have yours, usually I keep them to myself, as it happens Darren had the mind to ask my permission before he started this thread and in doing so it exposed my thoughts, those thoughts shared with Darren where not really open for public scrutiny........ but since I agree and you have told us all your thoughts on my point

I have only one thing to say

your such a microphallatic being

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Alice22

This year i am going to finish my BA.
And also i am going to open my personal pay site (single girl), so...
I hope that one day i will do more money from my degree, but at the moment, i prefer the adult bissnes.

Lane

Not going to get too deep into this discussion, but I dont think college education is a waste of time. I even think everyone should get a master's degree at some point.

Although, there are the ones who do make it a waste of time. It's their fault. For example, if you start college and you are undecided about your major, you will waste lots of time. I pretty much knew what I was going to study in college, 2-3 years before I graduated from high school. Also if you can't finish a 4 year degree in 4 years, you are again wasting time.

I got my computer science degree, got a full time job with good pay and it's been 6 months. I'm still 21. Has college been a waste of time? Hell no.

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Dusen

I disagree on both points. If everyone had a Masters Degree, then it would simply be like the saturation of bachelor educated people we have now.

Why become educated if you are not interested in it. "Everyone should get a Masters". Not everyone wants to go to school, and school is not for everyone.

The second point is presuming that people are failing because they don't want to be there, or cannot handle the work. Not the case for all people, but for the most part I agree.

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Darren

im on a 3 year degree but took a year out for biz.

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Dildozer

I believe education is important if you know that's what you wanna do, not if your parents told you you need to be a doctor or a lawyer to be successful in life, or if you're just undecided.

I go to a business school and you'd be surprised how people think. I ask my friends why they're at this school. Most people answer "to get a good job" or "to get a good future". My school is a corporate automaton production facility. Drones. I go there so I can be a better rounded business person and have the theory to fall back on in case of dilemna. I didn't go for the fancy programs either, just parts that interest me and are going to serve me. I couldn't care less about the title.

It's funny how society thinks really. Parents say "go to school so you can get a career and a nice paying job" but most of them never teach you HOW to make money and make money work for you.

But society needs workers as much as it needs entrepreneurs. Without education do you think we'd be communicating hundreds of miles apart in real time today? Or live past 40?

The thing on boards like GFY is that most of us have been spoiled by our webmaster life and we have certain traits in common as well. Instead of being the let's say "regular" worker to entrepreneur ratio of 1:100, on GFY we end up with it being 1:1 because most of us have that common trait.

I couldn't be happy with working for someone else, at least not in the long run and that's why i'm putting everything i can in my favor so i don't have to do it ever again.

When i hear about city bus drivers who make $56000 a year with a high school degree i wanna kill someone. I wouldn't be happy at a job like that hell no, but most people are made to have their habilities harnessed by others. Our society needs it's drones to be happy.

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didlozer what u are saying there is 100% right...

and is like a summary from Rich Dad Poor Dad, if u have not read it, get it.

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good answer.

there is a saying in collegiate circles:

BS = bullshiit
MS = more shit
Phd = more of the same, piled higher and deeper


if you are a true entrepreneur and working for yourself, a degree "won't help you get a job".

but going to a real university is a life-enriching experience, and actually finishing and getting a college degree is a certification that you can follow the rules, do a task to a certain level, and achieve a goal.

and that satisfaction stays with you, and the memories of your college experience stay with you throughout your life.

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myjah

education is never a waste. anything that allows you to grow as a person is worth it. even if it doesnt increase your salary.

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Validus

Agreed, education is important. Formal and in-formal. I completed a Diploma program in Visual Effects and Digital Animation, was good, but not really had a direct impact on my work. Was good though, had fun.

Educate myself now every day.

Rictor

It's not useless. You have to have a degree if you want to go into a lot of fields. If you want to work for yourself, you don't need one but it's to have it to fall back on in case you ever need to get a real job. People with college degrees make a lot more on average than people without degrees. This is fact.

Also, in college you are exposed to a lot of subjects that you probably would not expose yourself to on your own. I know there are a lot of things I learned in college that I wouldn't have bothered to learn if I hadn't been required to. I think education makes you a more well rounded person and improves your critical thinking. It also gives you a chance to improve your interpersonal skills and learn to budget your time in a controlled enviornment. I don't see how college could do anything but improve your chances of succeeding in business.

Playah

Couldnt agree more

besterman

universities have great libraries and people to talk to about cool ideas, as for the actual courses or a formal programs - probably lots of fun when you get to the phd level

johnbosh

yup

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I am glad I went to college, I learned alot about a variety of subjects and met ALL Sorts of People. It was great and I never would have used the internet without attending college.

Go to college, even if it is 2 year degree.

sacX

Education is always a good thing. University isn't always the best place to get it, but for a lot of people it provides a nice framework and nice carrot at the end of the day to motivate you.

Some things I wouldn't bother doing at university, like Arts, and perhaps even business, because for the most part you can learn these out of a book.

I have three degrees, and it isn't the *facts* that you remember It's the way of thinking about problems that sticks with you. Even though my degrees have nothing to do with porn, I apply critical thinking to it every day, and it definitely helps.

Of course you have to consider the opportunity cost. God knows how much $ I sacrificed by not having the time to work on business. I could not really take significant amount of time off my studies to concentrate on business. If your degree can wait, maybe it'd be better to concentrate totally on business while the opportunity is still huge.

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FlyingIguana

well a degree can help give you more knowledge than you would have otherwise. but going to a decent school and taking the right program helps a lot more. the networking is very valuable as well if you're going to a good school.

you tell me you won't better off with a bsc in econ from wharton?

but at the end of the day if you're an idiot, going to school will mean you're an idiot with a degree.

bigdog

The major probelm i see is kids going to a 20k a year school with some bullshit major.Afterwards they can't find a job with their major and they wind up working some $7 a hour job and are 80k in debt

TheJimmy

I have a piece of paper that says I"m a wanker too...

for me it was just about doing something I wanted to do and learning about a topic I was interested in...it's relevance is what I make it...

but in general, I will encourage my offspring to go to college not merely for a 'future employement' thing but more of a 'life & social' learning experience and hopefully they take something interesting while they're at it...

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It is not a waste of time. The education in college obtained in classrooms is just a fraction of the education happening in that institution. College just "frames" all these educational opportunities in one place and time. I'm not knocking other sources of education, but for the vast majority of people this is the place to learn.

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Webby

Depends on if you use that degree. Having that alone is not "meaningful" and is not related to "earning money" - that is another area and more to do with a business ability and entrepreneurial spirit.

Tho.. there is more hope that idiotic juvenile crap does not spew out if there is some education

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I doubt that having a degree makes one more successful. However, I am glad that I have my BA from a university plus master classes. It is a sense of accomplishment.

Having a BS or BA gives you the opportunity to continue with your education to advance.

aflex

Baal what school is this?

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lynch1000s

I agree, something like this is a problem. An expensive private college isn't for everyone. But I think everyone could benefit from from receiving a college degree (at least a 2 year degree).

But a college degree doesn't make up for a lack of talent, abilities, and ambition.

I wouldn't encourage someone to quit running a successful business just to get a college degree, but it gives you something to fall back on. By getting a degree, not only do you open doors for yourself, but you also develop your character and mind.

Even Bill Gates (a college drop out) said that- "nobody should drop out of college unless they believe they face the opportunity of a lifetime. And even then they should reconsider."

Full article here
http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/C...ay/11-4col.asp

Anyways, it's probably not in anyones best interest to ditch out on college unless they feel really secure about their future. And anyone talented enough to become a successful entrepreneur, or even the ambition to start their own company probably would benefit from getting a college degree. I think you get my point.

bhutocracy

on average the higher your education the more money you earn.. so theres something to it lol.

Rochard

Although I was college prep all through high school, I joined the Marines because I school bored me. After four years of being a Marine I got out, and discovered that the real world was more difficult than I had imagined. After almost ten years of fucking around in low paying jobs, I went to college and took computers.

My degree is hanging on the wall behind me; I haven't looked at it since I put it up there. However, I can tell you I was hired with Lightspeed because I had just graduated.

It depends on where you want to go in life. Most of us will be working for the man. When an employer has to people wanting the same job and one of them has a college education, guess who's going to get the job.

I took computers. However, computers has changed so much since I graduated that it pretty much makes my degree useless - Everything I learned in college pretty much does't exist these days.

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biglou

Well, if nothing else, it gives me a reason to feel superior over the less educated people in the world. I can argue with my family, and when they try to make a point, I just give them the "I have a degree, you don't" look and it shuts them up. That alone was worth the 6 years putting myself through college.

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