Underage Webmasters in Vegas. - GoFuckYourself.com

AaronM · 12-18-2003, 11:44 AM

What's your opinion on people under the age of 21 attending a convention in Vegas?

IMHO...

There are webmasters who are well over 21 that are not mature enough to handle this. However, underage drinking is always a problem and that opens the event sponsors and the venues up to legal problems. The majority of the problems that I have seen from those under 21 are isolated to people from the U.S. It would seem that the minors in our country are not advanced enough to know how to act appropriately. I have underage friends from Scotland who come to these things and they manage to maintain control and act like adults.

Putting the drinking issue aside?.Vegas is a gambling town with a 21 years of age requirement for that. Minors are not even permitted to stand and watch. With the sponsors stepping down their parties this year....This is going to leave fewer and fewer places for minors to hang out without forcing them into public places and increasing the risk of bad publicity.

Your thoughts?

Dirty F · 12-18-2003, 11:45 AM

I forgot who but someone said something about cant go to Vegas because hes too young yet the goverment can send him to Iraq.

TheLegacy · 12-18-2003, 11:49 AM

God remember the days when the only concern was models being under 21 - now its webmasters - hate to think when Im buying a drink I have to ask a potential client for an ID scan!!!

Corleone · 12-18-2003, 11:50 AM

18+ -> adult

SteveLightspeed · 12-18-2003, 11:51 AM

Aaron, you are starting to sound like a cranky old man. Didn't you ever get drunk before you were 21?

Do you really think that someone else's actions will reflect poorly on YOU?

There are trouble makers at every show. Most of the ones I've ever seen are way over 21.

Steve Lightspeed

boardersweetie · 12-18-2003, 11:54 AM

I've been drinking since I was 13, and I think drinking laws are bullshit. I'm more irresponsible, immature and wreckless at 21 than I ever was in highschool.

silentkey · 12-18-2003, 11:54 AM

There are underage webmaster whom act more mature than most adults.

baddog · 12-18-2003, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss
I forgot who but someone said something about cant go to Vegas because hes too young yet the goverment can send him to Iraq.

bullshit . . . the govt does not send anyone anywhereinvoluntarily. If they don't want to go to Iraq, they shouldn't have enlisted.

Rarely will they be sent to Vegas

Fu-Q · 12-18-2003, 11:57 AM

i think they should be allowed if they act responsible. on a side note, im not allowed to go, carol is putting her foot down on this one

Lonny · 12-18-2003, 11:58 AM

13 wow late blomer.

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Originally posted by boardersweetie
I've been drinking since I was 13, and I think drinking laws are bullshit. I'm more irresponsible, immature and wreckless at 21 than I ever was in highschool.

Rictor · 12-18-2003, 11:58 AM

Children don't belong at a webmaster event.

StuartD · 12-18-2003, 11:59 AM

I know it sucks when you are on the outside looking in... and you see all these grown adults making total asses of themselves and ruining a good thing for everyone... and you're standing there wondering why you're not allowed in just because you're not of age yet.

However, that being said... I don't know why webmastres can't have more dinners... more actual conventions that don't include drinking. You know? Events that everyone can attend regardless of age or drinking/partying habits.

It seems as if every single webmaster get together has to be a mind blowing party. After 13+ in a year, it starts getting kinda old for everyone, except for the under age webmasters who can't attend a single one.

Fu-Q · 12-18-2003, 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by Rictor
Children don't belong at a webmaster event.

what about adults under the age of 21?

NBDesign · 12-18-2003, 12:00 PM

For those having parties... BE CAREFUL... its bad enough you are responsible for adults that drink too much and cause harm... just imaging the trouble if a person under the legal drinking age is caught and rats you out.

Yea, it sucks... but I would card people at the door... just cover your ass as much as possible.

JFK · 12-18-2003, 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by Battuss
I forgot who but someone said something about cant go to Vegas because hes too young yet the goverment can send him to Iraq.

That is a sad and true statement, The drinking and gambling age should be reduced to 18. There are a hell of a lot of mature 18yr old individuals. The 21 age barrier does nothing really to make the person more mature, its just an artificial plateu some forward thinking polititians picked out

BradShaw · 12-18-2003, 12:03 PM

Could we check bank accounts and iq's as well? I know "men" in this business who are 30+ and act 17.

BradShaw · 12-18-2003, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by Lightspeed
Aaron, you are starting to sound like a cranky old man. Didn't you ever get drunk before you were 21?

Do you really think that someone else's actions will reflect poorly on YOU?

There are trouble makers at every show. Most of the ones I've ever seen are way over 21.

Steve Lightspeed

Poster boy for a drug free show.

StuartD · 12-18-2003, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
Could we check bank accounts and iq's as well? I know "men" in this business who are 30+ and act 17.

what does their bank account have to do with anything?

NBDesign · 12-18-2003, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
Could we check bank accounts and iq's as well? I know "men" in this business who are 30+ and act 17.

Yep.... totally agree. Alcohol can turn the most sensible people into idiots. So, I would like to make a suggestion... Don't serve alcohol at these parties... just serve joints... imagine... everyone would be so melow and peaceful and we would all get along.

But I guess that would be in a perfect world...

Brad Xtremepay · 12-18-2003, 12:07 PM

Did you make this topic about ME Aaron? ;)

AaronM · 12-18-2003, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by Lightspeed
Aaron, you are starting to sound like a cranky old man. Didn't you ever get drunk before you were 21?

Do you really think that someone else's actions will reflect poorly on YOU?

There are trouble makers at every show. Most of the ones I've ever seen are way over 21.

Steve Lightspeed

It's called being responsible and you are not one to preech to me about that.

Yes, I did get drunk as a minor...But I did it in the privacy of my own home or the homes of others. I never put anybodies business as risk.

I know you well Steve...You and I both know that you do not want the publicity of posting in this thread. I suggest you back off me and stick to the facts and the specfic question at hand. Your input is welcome but WHO IN THE BLOODY HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO QUESTION ME ABOUT THE USE OF ALCOHOL?

As for it reflecting poorly on me....If I were the one responsible for supplying it...Yes, I do believe it would reflect on me. I would be happy to post some specific examples of a sponsor (Guess who) that has a reputation for this sort of thing. Just because most people are too afraid to post about it on the boards does not mean it is not an issue.

Is this where I get another ICQ from you telling me to keep my mouth shut?

Trax · 12-18-2003, 12:07 PM

for me it goes like this:
18+ => Mature

i know many people (even 16 or 17) who got more sense of business and entrepreneurship than 50% of some of the morons around here.

a friends friend is 17, his father opened up a business for him until he turn 18 next year. He does more than 500k a year in sales on his non internet related biz and knows what he is doing.

not bad for a 17 year old if you ask me

so what do we learn...
its sad that a 20 y o guy can not legally drink or gamble in vegas
but hey - thats nothing to complain about
it's a law and you gotto live with this.

PerfectionGirls · 12-18-2003, 12:09 PM

It is a issue and we are having serveral parties.

Many underage webmasters can handle themselfs and its not a problem. Others, regardless of there age seem to think conventions are a free ticket to act like an ass. This has nothing to do with age.. assholes are asshole regardless of the date they were born.

I hate to be checking Id's at our parties, but we will have someone doing it before drinks are served to them. What they do in htere own rooms is up to them and I dont give a rats ass, but we are not going to allow underage drinking at our events to the best of our ability.

I drank before I was 21 for sure.... but that was on me. I choose to drink and did not put anyone else in a bad legal postion by doing so.

I'm not going to jail because someone cant handle themselfs.

AaronM · 12-18-2003, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan
I know it sucks when you are on the outside looking in... and you see all these grown adults making total asses of themselves and ruining a good thing for everyone... and you're standing there wondering why you're not allowed in just because you're not of age yet.

However, that being said... I don't know why webmastres can't have more dinners... more actual conventions that don't include drinking. You know? Events that everyone can attend regardless of age or drinking/partying habits.

It seems as if every single webmaster get together has to be a mind blowing party. After 13+ in a year, it starts getting kinda old for everyone, except for the under age webmasters who can't attend a single one.

I agree.

DarkJedi · 12-18-2003, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by Rictor
Children don't belong at a webmaster event.

you're right, their place is in Iraq fighting terrorists

NBDesign · 12-18-2003, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM
Is this where I get another ICQ from you telling me to keep my mouth shut?

you too huh?

Ludedude · 12-18-2003, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by JFK

That is a sad and true statement, The drinking and gambling age should be reduced to 18. There are a hell of a lot of mature 18yr old individuals. The 21 age barrier does nothing really to make the person more mature, its just an artificial plateu some forward thinking polititians picked out

Well then those forward thinking eligible voters who are adults between 18 and 21 should find and elect a candidate who shares their viewpoint.

JDog · 12-18-2003, 12:10 PM

Yea there are some underage that couldn't control anything! Up until this July I was underage, but always controlled my self if I had any drinks any where, hell, I would be able to get server drinks at a place in SoCal with out a problem! But there are people that take advantage of being able to get drinks!

jDoG

BradShaw · 12-18-2003, 12:10 PM

Steve, have you ever provided drugs or booze to models of yours under 21? I heard somerumors last week with some talent we were shooting.... But I figured I would go to the source.

AaronM · 12-18-2003, 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
Could we check bank accounts and iq's as well? I know "men" in this business who are 30+ and act 17.

LOL...I am down for that.

Brad Xtremepay · 12-18-2003, 12:11 PM

I am of legal age in Canada... more than able to handle myself in professional situations. The 21 age limit is just a barrier for me at this point.

NBDesign · 12-18-2003, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
Steve, have you ever provided drugs or booze to models of yours under 21? I heard somerumors last week with some talent we were shooting.... But I figured I would go to the source.

and of course, you can always believe the talent...

Trax · 12-18-2003, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
Steve, have you ever provided drugs or booze to models of yours under 21? I heard somerumors last week with some talent we were shooting.... But I figured I would go to the source.

ouch
i forsee several pages on this thread

Head · 12-18-2003, 12:14 PM

THat's so stupid to have the drinking age at 21. Here it's 19 still stupid! If It's a private party they can't do fuck all or can they their? Here they can't!

AaronM · 12-18-2003, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
Steve, have you ever provided drugs or booze to models of yours under 21? I heard somerumors last week with some talent we were shooting.... But I figured I would go to the source.

Hey Brad...I lost your ICQ number in my recent crash. Hit me up.

Totally seperate issue of course.

CDSmith · 12-18-2003, 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign
Yea, it sucks... but I would card people at the door... just cover your ass as much as possible.

Yes, if alcohol is being served then having someone at the door to check ID is probably a good idea. It's not really that hard to flash your proof of age as you enter, and for those that do have a problem with it, you probably don't want them in the room anyway.

AaronM · 12-18-2003, 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by NBDesign
and of course, you can always believe the talent...

Would you believe fellow GFY'ers who may have seen it first hand?

Hypothetically speaking of course.

necronookie · 12-18-2003, 12:18 PM

Why not treat it like any 18+ club would? Let 18-20 in with big marks-a-lot X's on their hands and wristbands for those 21+?

That way if something were to happen, at least you can show that you were proactive in detouring the underage from drinking.

NBDesign · 12-18-2003, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

Would you believe fellow GFY'ers who may have seen it first hand?

Hypothetically speaking of course.

Depends on the person... not saying he is wrong... not saying he is right... just saying you cannot always trust these models. Hey, I am local with LS, I have interviewed models with stories too... but until I see it first hand... that is all they are... stories.

Hey, I am not a real big fan of LS or steve... but right is right and unless they have actual proof.. then it is best not to make accusations (not sure the spelling) and not just heresay from a model(s).

Kimmykim · 12-18-2003, 12:22 PM

Personally I'll be choosing where to hang out based on what I want from the evening, not based on what everyone else is doing.

AaronM · 12-18-2003, 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by Trax

ouch
i forsee several pages on this thread

Not likely from that reply. Steve is far too concerned with playing political games to get in over his head in this thread. Trust me...He is already kicking his ass for posting here.

Now...I will back off the Lightspeed thing at this point. The rest of you can ride that hores as much as you like.

Oh and Steve...I have owed you $181.00 for almost 2 years now. In Montreal last year you told me you wanted it in content. Rockhard and I discuss it when we see each other at the shows but he has yet to contact me to claim it. I have a lot of new stuff that I have not made available to the general public yet. Have him get ahold of me and you guys can have an early go at it.

baddog · 12-18-2003, 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi

you're right, their place is in Iraq fighting terrorists

if they did not want to go to war, they should not have voluntarily enlisted

FreeNetPass Jenefer · 12-18-2003, 12:22 PM

You can get a pass to internext if your 18+... so yes I think that if youre 18+ you should be allowed to go.

CDSmith · 12-18-2003, 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by necronookie
Why not treat it like any 18+ club would? Let 18-20 in with big marks-a-lot X's on their hands and wristbands for those 21+?

That way if something were to happen, at least you can show that you were proactive in detouring the underage from drinking.

Better yet, the under 21 crowd could be corralled into a special roped-off section of the party, served diet pepsi, and have a big "L" put on their foreheads in magic marker.

NBDesign · 12-18-2003, 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
Better yet, the under 21 crowd could be corralled into a special roped-off section of the party, served diet pepsi, and have a big "L" put on their foreheads in magic marker.

FreeNetPass Jenefer · 12-18-2003, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
Better yet, the under 21 crowd could be corralled into a special roped-off section of the party, served diet pepsi, and have a big "L" put on their foreheads in magic marker.

Part of me thinks I'd rather hang out there! Probably a nicer crowd

BradShaw · 12-18-2003, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

Would you believe fellow GFY'ers who may have seen it first hand?

Hypothetically speaking of course.

Aaron, 7512417. As for Steve, the dirt flows in on this guy daily without me even lifting a finger. You see, he rubs alot of people in this biz the wrong way, and has alot of skelatons. Of course, when it comes down to it, he only owns 50% of lightspeed, his wife owns the other half and does all the books;-)

MetaMan · 12-18-2003, 12:27 PM

who the fuck cares? worry about yourself and what you do. if you are a grown man and care about what a small group of 18/yo's do you obviously lead a very boring life.

as long as they arent running around acting like punks i dont think there is a reason to care one bit. omg they had a sip to drink, someone call JESUS and the ANGEL police!

@ whiny old men

Carol@Pixipay · 12-18-2003, 12:29 PM

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carol is putting her foot down on this one

I do that from time to time, you'll thank me later.

Dirty F · 12-18-2003, 12:29 PM

Im 27 now and the guy at the round bar refused to give me alcohol because i didnt have a passport with me...

Thats the first time ive been refused alchohol in my life.

12-18-2003, 11:44 AM	#1
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	Underage Webmasters in Vegas. What's your opinion on people under the age of 21 attending a convention in Vegas? IMHO... There are webmasters who are well over 21 that are not mature enough to handle this. However, underage drinking is always a problem and that opens the event sponsors and the venues up to legal problems. The majority of the problems that I have seen from those under 21 are isolated to people from the U.S. It would seem that the minors in our country are not advanced enough to know how to act appropriately. I have underage friends from Scotland who come to these things and they manage to maintain control and act like adults. Putting the drinking issue aside?.Vegas is a gambling town with a 21 years of age requirement for that. Minors are not even permitted to stand and watch. With the sponsors stepping down their parties this year....This is going to leave fewer and fewer places for minors to hang out without forcing them into public places and increasing the risk of bad publicity. Your thoughts?

12-18-2003, 11:49 AM	#3
TheLegacy SEO Connoisseur Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario Posts: 17,105	God remember the days when the only concern was models being under 21 - now its webmasters - hate to think when Im buying a drink I have to ask a potential client for an ID scan!!! __________________ SEO Connoisseur Microsoft Teams: Robert Warren SEO Telegram: @TheLegacy54 RobertWarrenSEO.com

12-18-2003, 11:51 AM	#5
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	Aaron, you are starting to sound like a cranky old man. Didn't you ever get drunk before you were 21? Do you really think that someone else's actions will reflect poorly on YOU? There are trouble makers at every show. Most of the ones I've ever seen are way over 21. Steve Lightspeed __________________ Abra-cadabra!

12-18-2003, 11:59 AM	#12
StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	I know it sucks when you are on the outside looking in... and you see all these grown adults making total asses of themselves and ruining a good thing for everyone... and you're standing there wondering why you're not allowed in just because you're not of age yet. However, that being said... I don't know why webmastres can't have more dinners... more actual conventions that don't include drinking. You know? Events that everyone can attend regardless of age or drinking/partying habits. It seems as if every single webmaster get together has to be a mind blowing party. After 13+ in a year, it starts getting kinda old for everyone, except for the under age webmasters who can't attend a single one. __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

12-18-2003, 12:00 PM	#14
NBDesign Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The other side of Hell Posts: 5,814	For those having parties... BE CAREFUL... its bad enough you are responsible for adults that drink too much and cause harm... just imaging the trouble if a person under the legal drinking age is caught and rats you out. Yea, it sucks... but I would card people at the door... just cover your ass as much as possible. __________________ Use Lensman's program and get the most for your hard earned traffic. Get Heidi for your site Here. Lots of sets to choose from. She makes a great Addition to any site. Grab one Grab All.

12-18-2003, 11:45 AM	#2
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	I forgot who but someone said something about cant go to Vegas because hes too young yet the goverment can send him to Iraq.

12-18-2003, 11:50 AM	#4
Corleone C.R.E.A.M Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,262	18+ -> adult

12-18-2003, 11:54 AM	#6
boardersweetie Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, ICQ 301-613-472 Posts: 1,889	I've been drinking since I was 13, and I think drinking laws are bullshit. I'm more irresponsible, immature and wreckless at 21 than I ever was in highschool.

12-18-2003, 11:54 AM	#7
silentkey So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: .Freedom. Posts: 452	There are underage webmaster whom act more mature than most adults.

12-18-2003, 11:57 AM	#9
Fu-Q Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,546	i think they should be allowed if they act responsible. on a side note, im not allowed to go, carol is putting her foot down on this one

12-18-2003, 11:58 AM	#11
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	Children don't belong at a webmaster event.

12-18-2003, 12:03 PM	#16
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	Could we check bank accounts and iq's as well? I know "men" in this business who are 30+ and act 17. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

12-18-2003, 12:07 PM	#20
Brad Xtremepay So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 2,000	Did you make this topic about ME Aaron? ;)

12-18-2003, 12:07 PM	#22
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	for me it goes like this: 18+ => Mature i know many people (even 16 or 17) who got more sense of business and entrepreneurship than 50% of some of the morons around here. a friends friend is 17, his father opened up a business for him until he turn 18 next year. He does more than 500k a year in sales on his non internet related biz and knows what he is doing. not bad for a 17 year old if you ask me so what do we learn... its sad that a 20 y o guy can not legally drink or gamble in vegas but hey - thats nothing to complain about it's a law and you gotto live with this.

12-18-2003, 12:09 PM	#23
PerfectionGirls Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MI Posts: 4,484	It is a issue and we are having serveral parties. Many underage webmasters can handle themselfs and its not a problem. Others, regardless of there age seem to think conventions are a free ticket to act like an ass. This has nothing to do with age.. assholes are asshole regardless of the date they were born. I hate to be checking Id's at our parties, but we will have someone doing it before drinks are served to them. What they do in htere own rooms is up to them and I dont give a rats ass, but we are not going to allow underage drinking at our events to the best of our ability. I drank before I was 21 for sure.... but that was on me. I choose to drink and did not put anyone else in a bad legal postion by doing so. I'm not going to jail because someone cant handle themselfs. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

12-18-2003, 12:10 PM	#28
JDog Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canby, OR Posts: 7,453	Yea there are some underage that couldn't control anything! Up until this July I was underage, but always controlled my self if I had any drinks any where, hell, I would be able to get server drinks at a place in SoCal with out a problem! But there are people that take advantage of being able to get drinks! jDoG __________________ NSCash now powering ReelProfits.com ALSO FEATURING: NSCash.com :: SoloDollars.com :: ReelProfits.com :: BiminiBucks.com :: VOD PROGRAMS COMING SOON: Greedy Bucks :: Vengeance Cash NOW OFFERING OVER 60 SITES CONTACT :: JAMES SMITH :: CHIEF TECHNOLOGY OFFICER :: ICQ (711385133)

12-18-2003, 12:11 PM	#31
Brad Xtremepay So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 2,000	I am of legal age in Canada... more than able to handle myself in professional situations. The 21 age limit is just a barrier for me at this point.

12-18-2003, 12:14 PM	#34
Head Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Starship Enterprise Posts: 8,278	THat's so stupid to have the drinking age at 21. Here it's 19 still stupid! If It's a private party they can't do fuck all or can they their? Here they can't! __________________

12-18-2003, 12:18 PM	#38
necronookie Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 72	Why not treat it like any 18+ club would? Let 18-20 in with big marks-a-lot X's on their hands and wristbands for those 21+? That way if something were to happen, at least you can show that you were proactive in detouring the underage from drinking.

12-18-2003, 12:22 PM	#40
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Personally I'll be choosing where to hang out based on what I want from the evening, not based on what everyone else is doing.

12-18-2003, 12:22 PM	#43
FreeNetPass Jenefer Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In The Family! Posts: 387	You can get a pass to internext if your 18+... so yes I think that if youre 18+ you should be allowed to go. __________________ BP4L

12-18-2003, 12:27 PM	#48
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	who the fuck cares? worry about yourself and what you do. if you are a grown man and care about what a small group of 18/yo's do you obviously lead a very boring life. as long as they arent running around acting like punks i dont think there is a reason to care one bit. omg they had a sip to drink, someone call JESUS and the ANGEL police! @ whiny old men

12-18-2003, 12:29 PM	#50
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Im 27 now and the guy at the round bar refused to give me alcohol because i didnt have a passport with me... Thats the first time ive been refused alchohol in my life.