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  • AaronM
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    • Oct 2001
    • 46917

    #1

    Underage Webmasters in Vegas.

    What's your opinion on people under the age of 21 attending a convention in Vegas?

    IMHO...

    There are webmasters who are well over 21 that are not mature enough to handle this. However, underage drinking is always a problem and that opens the event sponsors and the venues up to legal problems. The majority of the problems that I have seen from those under 21 are isolated to people from the U.S. It would seem that the minors in our country are not advanced enough to know how to act appropriately. I have underage friends from Scotland who come to these things and they manage to maintain control and act like adults.

    Putting the drinking issue aside?.Vegas is a gambling town with a 21 years of age requirement for that. Minors are not even permitted to stand and watch. With the sponsors stepping down their parties this year....This is going to leave fewer and fewer places for minors to hang out without forcing them into public places and increasing the risk of bad publicity.

    Your thoughts?
  • Dirty F
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    • Jul 2001
    • 59204

    #2
    I forgot who but someone said something about cant go to Vegas because hes too young yet the goverment can send him to Iraq.

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    • TheLegacy
      SEO RobertWarrenSEO.com
      • Apr 2003
      • 18139

      #3
      God remember the days when the only concern was models being under 21 - now its webmasters - hate to think when Im buying a drink I have to ask a potential client for an ID scan!!!

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      • Corleone
        C.R.E.A.M
        • Apr 2003
        • 15262

        #4
        18+ -> adult

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        • SteveLightspeed
          Confirmed User
          • Jul 2001
          • 7940

          #5
          Aaron, you are starting to sound like a cranky old man. Didn't you ever get drunk before you were 21?

          Do you really think that someone else's actions will reflect poorly on YOU?

          There are trouble makers at every show. Most of the ones I've ever seen are way over 21.

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          • boardersweetie
            Confirmed User
            • Oct 2003
            • 1889

            #6
            I've been drinking since I was 13, and I think drinking laws are bullshit. I'm more irresponsible, immature and wreckless at 21 than I ever was in highschool.

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            • silentkey
              So Fucking Banned
              • Nov 2003
              • 452

              #7
              There are underage webmaster whom act more mature than most adults.

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              • baddog
                So Fucking Banned
                • Apr 2001
                • 107089

                #8
                Originally posted by Battuss
                I forgot who but someone said something about cant go to Vegas because hes too young yet the goverment can send him to Iraq.
                bullshit . . . the govt does not send anyone anywhereinvoluntarily. If they don't want to go to Iraq, they shouldn't have enlisted.

                Rarely will they be sent to Vegas

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                • Fu-Q
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                  • Jul 2003
                  • 1546

                  #9
                  i think they should be allowed if they act responsible. on a side note, im not allowed to go, carol is putting her foot down on this one
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                  • Lonny
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 3539

                    #10
                    13 wow late blomer.
                    Originally posted by boardersweetie
                    I've been drinking since I was 13, and I think drinking laws are bullshit. I'm more irresponsible, immature and wreckless at 21 than I ever was in highschool.

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                    • Rictor
                      Old Timer
                      • Jan 2001
                      • 12208

                      #11
                      Children don't belong at a webmaster event.

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                      • StuartD
                        Sofa King Band
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 29903

                        #12
                        I know it sucks when you are on the outside looking in... and you see all these grown adults making total asses of themselves and ruining a good thing for everyone... and you're standing there wondering why you're not allowed in just because you're not of age yet.

                        However, that being said... I don't know why webmastres can't have more dinners... more actual conventions that don't include drinking. You know? Events that everyone can attend regardless of age or drinking/partying habits.

                        It seems as if every single webmaster get together has to be a mind blowing party. After 13+ in a year, it starts getting kinda old for everyone, except for the under age webmasters who can't attend a single one.
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                        • Fu-Q
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                          • Jul 2003
                          • 1546

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Rictor
                          Children don't belong at a webmaster event.
                          what about adults under the age of 21?
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                          • NBDesign
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                            • Jan 2003
                            • 5814

                            #14
                            For those having parties... BE CAREFUL... its bad enough you are responsible for adults that drink too much and cause harm... just imaging the trouble if a person under the legal drinking age is caught and rats you out.

                            Yea, it sucks... but I would card people at the door... just cover your ass as much as possible.

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                            • JFK
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                              • Jan 2002
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Battuss
                              I forgot who but someone said something about cant go to Vegas because hes too young yet the goverment can send him to Iraq.
                              That is a sad and true statement, The drinking and gambling age should be reduced to 18. There are a hell of a lot of mature 18yr old individuals. The 21 age barrier does nothing really to make the person more mature, its just an artificial plateu some forward thinking polititians picked out

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                              • BradShaw
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                                • Oct 2001
                                • 7840

                                #16
                                Could we check bank accounts and iq's as well? I know "men" in this business who are 30+ and act 17.
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                                • BradShaw
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                                  • Oct 2001
                                  • 7840

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Lightspeed
                                  Aaron, you are starting to sound like a cranky old man. Didn't you ever get drunk before you were 21?

                                  Do you really think that someone else's actions will reflect poorly on YOU?

                                  There are trouble makers at every show. Most of the ones I've ever seen are way over 21.

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                                  • StuartD
                                    Sofa King Band
                                    • Jul 2002
                                    • 29903

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by BradShaw
                                    Could we check bank accounts and iq's as well? I know "men" in this business who are 30+ and act 17.
                                    what does their bank account have to do with anything?
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                                    • NBDesign
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                                      • Jan 2003
                                      • 5814

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by BradShaw
                                      Could we check bank accounts and iq's as well? I know "men" in this business who are 30+ and act 17.
                                      Yep.... totally agree. Alcohol can turn the most sensible people into idiots. So, I would like to make a suggestion... Don't serve alcohol at these parties... just serve joints... imagine... everyone would be so melow and peaceful and we would all get along.

                                      But I guess that would be in a perfect world...

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                                      • Brad Xtremepay
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                                        • Dec 2003
                                        • 2000

                                        #20
                                        Did you make this topic about ME Aaron? ;)

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                                        • AaronM
                                          GFY Royality ;)
                                          • Oct 2001
                                          • 46917

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Lightspeed
                                          Aaron, you are starting to sound like a cranky old man. Didn't you ever get drunk before you were 21?

                                          Do you really think that someone else's actions will reflect poorly on YOU?

                                          There are trouble makers at every show. Most of the ones I've ever seen are way over 21.

                                          Steve Lightspeed
                                          It's called being responsible and you are not one to preech to me about that.

                                          Yes, I did get drunk as a minor...But I did it in the privacy of my own home or the homes of others. I never put anybodies business as risk.

                                          I know you well Steve...You and I both know that you do not want the publicity of posting in this thread. I suggest you back off me and stick to the facts and the specfic question at hand. Your input is welcome but WHO IN THE BLOODY HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO QUESTION ME ABOUT THE USE OF ALCOHOL?

                                          As for it reflecting poorly on me....If I were the one responsible for supplying it...Yes, I do believe it would reflect on me. I would be happy to post some specific examples of a sponsor (Guess who) that has a reputation for this sort of thing. Just because most people are too afraid to post about it on the boards does not mean it is not an issue.

                                          Is this where I get another ICQ from you telling me to keep my mouth shut?

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                                          • Trax
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                                            • Aug 2001
                                            • 14486

                                            #22
                                            for me it goes like this:
                                            18+ => Mature

                                            i know many people (even 16 or 17) who got more sense of business and entrepreneurship than 50% of some of the morons around here.

                                            a friends friend is 17, his father opened up a business for him until he turn 18 next year. He does more than 500k a year in sales on his non internet related biz and knows what he is doing.

                                            not bad for a 17 year old if you ask me

                                            so what do we learn...
                                            its sad that a 20 y o guy can not legally drink or gamble in vegas
                                            but hey - thats nothing to complain about
                                            it's a law and you gotto live with this.

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                                            • PerfectionGirls
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Oct 2002
                                              • 4484

                                              #23
                                              It is a issue and we are having serveral parties.

                                              Many underage webmasters can handle themselfs and its not a problem. Others, regardless of there age seem to think conventions are a free ticket to act like an ass. This has nothing to do with age.. assholes are asshole regardless of the date they were born.

                                              I hate to be checking Id's at our parties, but we will have someone doing it before drinks are served to them. What they do in htere own rooms is up to them and I dont give a rats ass, but we are not going to allow underage drinking at our events to the best of our ability.

                                              I drank before I was 21 for sure.... but that was on me. I choose to drink and did not put anyone else in a bad legal postion by doing so.

                                              I'm not going to jail because someone cant handle themselfs.
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                                              • AaronM
                                                GFY Royality ;)
                                                • Oct 2001
                                                • 46917

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by MaskedMan
                                                I know it sucks when you are on the outside looking in... and you see all these grown adults making total asses of themselves and ruining a good thing for everyone... and you're standing there wondering why you're not allowed in just because you're not of age yet.

                                                However, that being said... I don't know why webmastres can't have more dinners... more actual conventions that don't include drinking. You know? Events that everyone can attend regardless of age or drinking/partying habits.

                                                It seems as if every single webmaster get together has to be a mind blowing party. After 13+ in a year, it starts getting kinda old for everyone, except for the under age webmasters who can't attend a single one.
                                                I agree.

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                                                • DarkJedi
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                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                  • 28301

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Rictor
                                                  Children don't belong at a webmaster event.

                                                  you're right, their place is in Iraq fighting terrorists

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                                                  • NBDesign
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                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                    • 5814

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by AaronM
                                                    Is this where I get another ICQ from you telling me to keep my mouth shut?
                                                    you too huh?

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                                                    • Ludedude
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                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                      • 4432

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by JFK


                                                      That is a sad and true statement, The drinking and gambling age should be reduced to 18. There are a hell of a lot of mature 18yr old individuals. The 21 age barrier does nothing really to make the person more mature, its just an artificial plateu some forward thinking polititians picked out
                                                      Well then those forward thinking eligible voters who are adults between 18 and 21 should find and elect a candidate who shares their viewpoint.

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                                                      • JDog
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                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                        • 7453

                                                        #28
                                                        Yea there are some underage that couldn't control anything! Up until this July I was underage, but always controlled my self if I had any drinks any where, hell, I would be able to get server drinks at a place in SoCal with out a problem! But there are people that take advantage of being able to get drinks!

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                                                        • BradShaw
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                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                          • 7840

                                                          #29
                                                          Steve, have you ever provided drugs or booze to models of yours under 21? I heard somerumors last week with some talent we were shooting.... But I figured I would go to the source.
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                                                          • AaronM
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                                                            • Oct 2001
                                                            • 46917

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by BradShaw
                                                            Could we check bank accounts and iq's as well? I know "men" in this business who are 30+ and act 17.
                                                            LOL...I am down for that.

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                                                            • Brad Xtremepay
                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                              • Dec 2003
                                                              • 2000

                                                              #31
                                                              I am of legal age in Canada... more than able to handle myself in professional situations. The 21 age limit is just a barrier for me at this point.

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                                                              • NBDesign
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                • 5814

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by BradShaw
                                                                Steve, have you ever provided drugs or booze to models of yours under 21? I heard somerumors last week with some talent we were shooting.... But I figured I would go to the source.
                                                                and of course, you can always believe the talent...

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                                                                • Trax
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                                                                  • 14486

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by BradShaw
                                                                  Steve, have you ever provided drugs or booze to models of yours under 21? I heard somerumors last week with some talent we were shooting.... But I figured I would go to the source.
                                                                  ouch
                                                                  i forsee several pages on this thread

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                                                                  • Head
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Nov 2003
                                                                    • 8278

                                                                    #34
                                                                    THat's so stupid to have the drinking age at 21. Here it's 19 still stupid! If It's a private party they can't do fuck all or can they their? Here they can't!

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                                                                    • AaronM
                                                                      GFY Royality ;)
                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                      • 46917

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by BradShaw
                                                                      Steve, have you ever provided drugs or booze to models of yours under 21? I heard somerumors last week with some talent we were shooting.... But I figured I would go to the source.



                                                                      Hey Brad...I lost your ICQ number in my recent crash. Hit me up.

                                                                      Totally seperate issue of course.

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                                                                      • CDSmith
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                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                        • 51460

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by NBDesign
                                                                        Yea, it sucks... but I would card people at the door... just cover your ass as much as possible.
                                                                        Yes, if alcohol is being served then having someone at the door to check ID is probably a good idea. It's not really that hard to flash your proof of age as you enter, and for those that do have a problem with it, you probably don't want them in the room anyway.
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                                                                        • AaronM
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                                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                                          • 46917

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by NBDesign
                                                                          and of course, you can always believe the talent...
                                                                          Would you believe fellow GFY'ers who may have seen it first hand?

                                                                          Hypothetically speaking of course.

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                                                                          • necronookie
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                                                                            • Dec 2003
                                                                            • 72

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Why not treat it like any 18+ club would? Let 18-20 in with big marks-a-lot X's on their hands and wristbands for those 21+?

                                                                            That way if something were to happen, at least you can show that you were proactive in detouring the underage from drinking.
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                                                                            • NBDesign
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                                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                                              • 5814

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by AaronM


                                                                              Would you believe fellow GFY'ers who may have seen it first hand?

                                                                              Hypothetically speaking of course.
                                                                              Depends on the person... not saying he is wrong... not saying he is right... just saying you cannot always trust these models. Hey, I am local with LS, I have interviewed models with stories too... but until I see it first hand... that is all they are... stories.

                                                                              Hey, I am not a real big fan of LS or steve... but right is right and unless they have actual proof.. then it is best not to make accusations (not sure the spelling) and not just heresay from a model(s).

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                                                                              • Kimmykim
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                                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                                • 16015

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Personally I'll be choosing where to hang out based on what I want from the evening, not based on what everyone else is doing.

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                                                                                • AaronM
                                                                                  GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                                                  • 46917

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Trax


                                                                                  ouch
                                                                                  i forsee several pages on this thread
                                                                                  Not likely from that reply. Steve is far too concerned with playing political games to get in over his head in this thread. Trust me...He is already kicking his ass for posting here.

                                                                                  Now...I will back off the Lightspeed thing at this point. The rest of you can ride that hores as much as you like.

                                                                                  Oh and Steve...I have owed you $181.00 for almost 2 years now. In Montreal last year you told me you wanted it in content. Rockhard and I discuss it when we see each other at the shows but he has yet to contact me to claim it. I have a lot of new stuff that I have not made available to the general public yet. Have him get ahold of me and you guys can have an early go at it.
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                                                                                  • baddog
                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                                    • 107089

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by DarkJedi



                                                                                    you're right, their place is in Iraq fighting terrorists
                                                                                    if they did not want to go to war, they should not have voluntarily enlisted

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                                                                                    • FreeNetPass Jenefer
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                                                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                                                      • 387

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      You can get a pass to internext if your 18+... so yes I think that if youre 18+ you should be allowed to go.
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                                                                                      • CDSmith
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                                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                                        • 51460

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by necronookie
                                                                                        Why not treat it like any 18+ club would? Let 18-20 in with big marks-a-lot X's on their hands and wristbands for those 21+?

                                                                                        That way if something were to happen, at least you can show that you were proactive in detouring the underage from drinking.
                                                                                        Better yet, the under 21 crowd could be corralled into a special roped-off section of the party, served diet pepsi, and have a big "L" put on their foreheads in magic marker.
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                                                                                        • NBDesign
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                          Better yet, the under 21 crowd could be corralled into a special roped-off section of the party, served diet pepsi, and have a big "L" put on their foreheads in magic marker.

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                                                                                          • FreeNetPass Jenefer
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                                                                                            • Oct 2003
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                            Better yet, the under 21 crowd could be corralled into a special roped-off section of the party, served diet pepsi, and have a big "L" put on their foreheads in magic marker.
                                                                                            Part of me thinks I'd rather hang out there! Probably a nicer crowd
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                                                                                            • BradShaw
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                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                              • 7840

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by AaronM


                                                                                              Would you believe fellow GFY'ers who may have seen it first hand?

                                                                                              Hypothetically speaking of course.
                                                                                              Aaron, 7512417. As for Steve, the dirt flows in on this guy daily without me even lifting a finger. You see, he rubs alot of people in this biz the wrong way, and has alot of skelatons. Of course, when it comes down to it, he only owns 50% of lightspeed, his wife owns the other half and does all the books;-)
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                                                                                              • MetaMan
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                                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                                • 28682

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                who the fuck cares? worry about yourself and what you do. if you are a grown man and care about what a small group of 18/yo's do you obviously lead a very boring life.

                                                                                                as long as they arent running around acting like punks i dont think there is a reason to care one bit. omg they had a sip to drink, someone call JESUS and the ANGEL police!

                                                                                                @ whiny old men

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                                                                                                • Carol@Pixipay
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                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                  • 1118

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  carol is putting her foot down on this one
                                                                                                  I do that from time to time, you'll thank me later.

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                                                                                                  • Dirty F
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                                                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                                                    • 59204

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Im 27 now and the guy at the round bar refused to give me alcohol because i didnt have a passport with me...

                                                                                                    Thats the first time ive been refused alchohol in my life.

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