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"No, I don't. Why should I? How can there be inaccuracy in comedy?"
Moore is nothing more than a humorist with a bent towards satire. I am amazed at how many people seem to have come to take him seriously.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Yeah, that is so much braver. Having an strong view - regardless of wether others think about it - and not taking your chance to stand up and be counted when they world's eyes are on you.Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
Everyone else is holding back, or at least 'acting' like they're holding their tongues... and this blimp goes and blows his load.
Notice how they gave Susan Sarandon in a place where she couldn't mouth off without distracting from her job.
Btw..Colin Firth...anyone speak Gaelic and know what he said before he introduced U2? Curious.Comment
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did anyone seriously think MM wasn't going to say something?
Does anyone disagree that the US have more murders by handguns than other civilised countries?
Seemed like an interesting/useful topic for a documentary. See I just thought US had more guns than other countries and that explained it. His spin was that the media play a role. The basic points he made in the film were good, sure he gets preachy though.Comment
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I would have lost a great deal of respect for him if he hadn't said something.Originally posted by sacX
did anyone seriously think MM wasn't going to say something?
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He made the same exact speech at the Spirit Awards where he also won.Originally posted by bhutocracy
Michael Moore's acceptance speech:
On behalf of our producers Kathleen Glynn and Michael Donovan from Canada, I'd like to thank the Academy for this.
I have invited my fellow documentary nominees on the stage with us, and we would like to ? they're here in solidarity with me because we like nonfiction.
We like nonfiction and we live in fictitious times.
We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elects a fictitious president.
We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons.
Whether it's the fictition of duct tape or fictition of orange alerts we are against this war, Mr. Bush.
Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you.
And any time you got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up.
Thank you very much.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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to be honest I don't think it's as bad as some here made it out to be..Originally posted by theking
He made the same exact speech at the Spirit Awards where he also won.Comment
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maybe we're more used to people being ashamed of our prime minister
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At the Spirit Awards he got about as many "yeah's as he did boo's". I just don't understand why anyone takes Moore seriously. He is a humorist and does not take himself seriously. He is about entertaining and has found his niche.Originally posted by bhutocracy
to be honest I don't think it's as bad as some here made it out to be..Last edited by theking; 03-23-2003, 09:33 PM.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Originally posted by I'm Slim
He pretty much said Bush was an idiot and that the war is useless blah blah blah. Fucking hippie
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I just read the speech and its short and right to the point.
Great speech
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CNN preaches bullshit into millions of houses everynight. He can say whatever he wants. Free speech is what iraqi's dont have, or so I'm told. US looks to be almost as much of a dictatorship if you can speak your mind only if its popular...many winners had good things to say about the war but we arnt discussing them.I'm not sure free speech means in someone else's house. He can go preach his bullshit to anyone he wants on the street.Comment
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Huh? People on the right ARE religious nuts, what the hell are you talking about?Originally posted by Interlude
People like him set us all back. Now I know why people on the right bitch about the religious nuts.Comment
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He's been around a lot longer than '15 minutes'.Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
I hope that fat fucker slips and gets that oscar stuck in his throat.
Everyone else is holding back, or at least 'acting' like they're holding their tongues... and this blimp goes and blows his load.
Attention Mr. Moore, your 15 minutes just came and went.-uno
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He's the only reason i watched last year.Originally posted by kad
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you can say that againOriginally posted by Amputate Your Head
Moore is a fucking idiot.
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What are the Spirit awards ??Originally posted by theking
He made the same exact speech at the Spirit Awards where he also won.
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one of the best things about freedom of speech is that it exposes idiots like moore. All you had to do was give him a little rope.
When you get booed off the most liberal stage in America because of your liberal rant, you really get an idea about how out of touch you are.
I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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When somebody has the guts to take an unpopular but heartfelt stance against both Republicans and Democrats, he earns my respect.Originally posted by 12clicks
one of the best things about freedom of speech is that it exposes idiots like moore. All you had to do was give him a little rope.
When you get booed off the most liberal stage in America because of your liberal rant, you really get an idea about how out of touch you are.
That includes people like Moore, and it includes people like Pat Buchanan, who I strongly disagree with, but admire his convictions.Comment
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He had the courage to stand up for his convictions in front of millions of people. I wonder how many keyboard warriors in here would have the balls to do the same ??Originally posted by 12clicks
one of the best things about freedom of speech is that it exposes idiots like moore. All you had to do was give him a little rope.
When you get booed off the most liberal stage in America because of your liberal rant, you really get an idea about how out of touch you are.
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I watched the awards for like 20min...and caught this part....
I have to admit I was pretty impressed....and when they cut to the crowds faces....you can tell some of those people wanted to cheer.....but they would only get work in the Michael Moore film, lol and thats it!!!
You can now guarantee that about 3million more people will go to see the next 'documentary' he makes just to see what this guy is all about (for those that had never heard of him)
Whether he meant to or not...he just reassured the success of his new couple of films, pure marketing genius or just your usual pompous fanatic?Insane, Color and Instant Sensation
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Originally posted by I'm Slim
I did.
I love Michael but I'm glad they booed his ass off!
Why? He won an award for expressing his opinions and views on gun violence in America, then they boo him for expressing his opinions about our violence upon Iraq???
Sounds to me this is more about love for GWB. Millions can protest the war, that's okay.....but damn those who disagree with Bush??Adult SEO Partners - Full service Adult SEO Agency serving some of the biggest names in the industry.Comment
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Looks to be? What country are you looking at?Originally posted by flashfire
US looks to be almost as much of a dictatorship if you can speak your mind only if its popular...many winners had good things to say about the war but we arnt discussing them.
Did the government threaten Michael Moore? Are they going to kill him? Is his family in danger by the government?
No.
Did he piss off a lot of people? I would imagine so. Did he piss off the producers and directors? I would imagine so.
How does any of this deny him Freedom of Speech? The Academy Awards is not a public event. If it was, I would be there. It's a private event. They can restrict Freedom of Speech all they want. The directors and producers don't want that shit on their hands. Can you blame them? Isn't that THEIR right?PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price!
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I am glad that someone else gets it.Danny_C
When somebody has the guts to take an unpopular but heartfelt stance against both Republicans and Democrats, he earns my respect.
That includes people like Moore, and it includes people like Pat Buchanan, who I strongly disagree with, but admire his convictionsLiquid Web - Managed Dedicated ServersComment
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I think Nicole Kidman was trying to say something as well, but she skirted the issue, and youre right, working on a Moore film will not pay the huge bucks some of these guys make.Originally posted by bauhaus
I watched the awards for like 20min...and caught this part....
I have to admit I was pretty impressed....and when they cut to the crowds faces....you can tell some of those people wanted to cheer.....but they would only get work in the Michael Moore film, lol and thats it!!!
You can now guarantee that about 3million more people will go to see the next 'documentary' he makes just to see what this guy is all about (for those that had never heard of him)
Whether he meant to or not...he just reassured the success of his new couple of films, pure marketing genius or just your usual pompous fanatic?
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I don't admire stupidity and I certainly don't applaud the courage of someones ability to yell,"I'm stupid"Originally posted by Danny_C
When somebody has the guts to take an unpopular but heartfelt stance against both Republicans and Democrats, he earns my respect.
That includes people like Moore, and it includes people like Pat Buchanan, who I strongly disagree with, but admire his convictions.
Of course, you're free to respect whatever you please.
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Well we all have our heros don't we?Originally posted by JFK
He had the courage to stand up for his convictions in front of millions of people. I wonder how many keyboard warriors in here would have the balls to do the same ??
Go find me an audience in the millions, I won't change my opinions by one word because they're there.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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Totally inappropriate..Comment
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Originally posted by JFK
I think Nicole Kidman was trying to say something as well, but she skirted the issue, and youre right, working on a Moore film will not pay the huge bucks some of these guys make.
dunno felt like she threw that in like she didn't want to not say something when the Best Actor did. Didn't sound planned.Comment
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Yeah it wasnt planned , but she was picking her words very carefully, keeping those big future paychecks in mind........ And 12clicks do you mind if I choose my own heroes ??Originally posted by sarah_webinc
dunno felt like she threw that in like she didn't want to not say something when the Best Actor did. Didn't sound planned.
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What did she say?Originally posted by JFK
Yeah it wasnt planned , but she was picking her words very carefully, keeping those big future paychecks in mind........ And 12clicks do you mind if I choose my own heroes ??
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"shame on you bush".. right...Comment
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If everyone did what *I* wanted, I'd have no one to argue with.Originally posted by JFK
And 12clicks do you mind if I choose my own heroes ??
I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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Oh Ok...... you just want to be a Dick tator ??Originally posted by 12clicks
If everyone did what *I* wanted, I'd have no one to argue with.
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I agree...free speech or not. These celebs are so stupid! I wonder if they realize they're loosing about half their potential audience being so publicly political. They should just keep their mouth shut on camera & stay neutral. Especially since they all got special treatment last night in a heavily armed city & building. They should go preach their politics to the troops in Iraq right now...I'm sure that will win 'em some new fans.Originally posted by PersianKitty
I did.. and they should of cut his mike the moment he started. The Academy Awards should not be anyone's personal political forum.
Maybe the reaction he got will cut short anyone else's ideas of doing similar.
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Dennis Miller:Originally posted by eRock
I agree...free speech or not. These celebs are so stupid! I wonder if they realize they're loosing about half their potential audience being so publicly political. They should just keep their mouth shut on camera & stay neutral. Especially since they all got special treatment last night in a heavily armed city & building. They should go preach their politics to the troops in Iraq right now...I'm sure that will win 'em some new fans.
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Michael Moore is idiot. Does he really have any credibility? He lost all credibility in my book back when he said that he truly believed OJ Simpson was innocent.
That being said, who the hell cares what he said at the AA? If he wants to make himself look stupid, then fine, so be it. If someone got up there and said, "All you Hollywood liberals can kiss my ass. I think Saddam is a brutal dictator that should be deposed and I support our troops damn it!" Most people who support the war would think it was a great thing to say.
You can't just defend speech you agree with. That's too easy. Frankly, I'm surprised how many people, particularly given our profession, seem to be so opposed to freedom of expression.
Originally posted by KC
I was very happy to see people boo his ass off the stage. That spectacle just confirms that his "documentary" was completely biased. What happened to unbiased documentaries that allow the viewer to make their own decision about the issues.
That's not exactly accurate. This is Hollywood afterall. He was met with as much if not more applause. In fact, he was also met with a partial standing ovation.
Actually, award presenters were told not to be political. Recipients were allowed to make statements if it fit into thei r 45 second time allotment for their acceptance speech.Originally posted by turbo
Free speech is fine and dandy in the public, but the producers of the Oscars paid money to produce and air the show as well as the advertisers that bought spots, etc. It's not as if they asked for any of the celebrities' opinions on the war, or that it was an open forum type show that opinions would be expected on. It's like everyone says about free speech here, "It's Lensman's board..."
I may not agree with him, but you got admit it takes balls to do something like that. In contrast to the idiots that are protesting in the streets and damaging property, I'd say he's got more balls than they do.Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
if he was there to talk about the film, and didn't.... then he needs to have his ass booted out the door so he can exercise his free speech across the street in the park. Free speech doesn't mean you get to use a planned event about something completely different as your fucking podium.
If people want to make political statements, who cares? It would just be nice to see pro-war voices represented too.
EXACTLY. Freedom of expression is a right. Just as he has the right to say something stupid, I have the right to say he's stupid.Originally posted by bhutocracy
People sacrificed their lives for him to be able to say whatever he said. It's freedom. Just like the next presenter after him could say he's full of shit.. who cares.. it's their right. Censorship is wrong. that goes for the KKK as much as it goes for michael moore.. we've got to be able to tolerate the whole spectrum.Last edited by JeremySF; 03-24-2003, 10:27 AM.ICQ: 176050593 / AIM: JerSF2000
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