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Amputate Your Head 04-22-2003 06:20 PM

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Who the fuck made you judge and jury ?
my question as well

AaronM 04-22-2003 06:21 PM

100 BIATCH!

Edit...Damn you AMP! :321GFY

asuna 04-22-2003 06:21 PM

ahahahah your late!
btw you coming to montreal?

AaronM 04-22-2003 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by asuna
ahahahah your late!
btw you coming to montreal?

I was planning on it but now I am not so sure.

50/50 chance of it.

asuna 04-22-2003 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM


I was planning on it but now I am not so sure.

50/50 chance of it.

Why not?

RottenPug 04-22-2003 06:27 PM

Aaron M

You know the thing that's funny is I can't seem to find anywhere on your site and research http://www.ultimatefeeds.com Funny how you wouldn't list this site. Hmmmmm wonder who owns it. You fucking suck ass

ok you mindless twit where is www.deeporalgirls.com and the rest that you left out from http://adult-contentprovider.com

You went about this wrong, a simple email with a heads up would have a worked. Maybe spend more time doing research and less time eating and you will be as thorough as you want all of us to be.

boneprone 04-22-2003 06:30 PM

Great Post Aaron.

Drake 04-22-2003 06:37 PM

Aaron, super job! You've obviously put a lot of work into this and it's of great benefit to everybody who buys content.

asuna 04-22-2003 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by Mike33
Aaron, super job! You've obviously put a lot of work into this and it's of great benefit to everybody who buys content.
Hye Aaron, your not going to post Manny's content company?:1orglaugh

jcnlv 04-22-2003 06:40 PM

I am curious to know how many of the content brokers out there have actually *seen* any of the custodian of records information from the producers they represent.

It is great that they give the name and address of the producer... but what are they doing to verify that information?

Does the broker need copies of all releases and IDs to be fully compliant? .... or can he just pass the responsibility down to the producer?... or worse yet, the producer's agent...

Does anyone know the U.S. law on this?

MichaelAncher 04-22-2003 06:40 PM

So Aaron !
Check out my info site ( bottom ) hope that's to your liking.
"kinda"...:)

The Other Sweetie 04-22-2003 06:46 PM

Unless I overlooked something, David Lace's Title 18 info is only accessible after you log in to their site, but you've got them listed as compliant.
2257 has to be prominently displayed on the website...which means it must be readily available without registering or logging in, correct?
So am I on crack or what?

asuna 04-22-2003 06:47 PM

danm 2257Compliant.com is taken.. would of been a great resource site..

Brujah 04-22-2003 06:54 PM

My content provider stole my wife, my dog, and my truck. Can't trust 'em, but he did have his 2257. Bastard.

Fletch XXX 04-22-2003 06:55 PM

just wanted to post on page 3.

:glugglug

AaronM 04-22-2003 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by RottenPug
Aaron M

You know the thing that's funny is I can't seem to find anywhere on your site and research http://www.ultimatefeeds.com Funny how you wouldn't list this site. Hmmmmm wonder who owns it. You fucking suck ass

ok you mindless twit where is www.deeporalgirls.com and the rest that you left out from http://adult-contentprovider.com

You went about this wrong, a simple email with a heads up would have a worked. Maybe spend more time doing research and less time eating and you will be as thorough as you want all of us to be.

Fuck off cry baby.

Did you fix your site yet?

Steve 04-22-2003 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
just wanted to post on page 3.

:glugglug

salute :glugglug

Steve 04-22-2003 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM


Fuck off cry baby.

Did you fix your site yet?

by fix, do you mean add more exit consoles?

quiet 04-22-2003 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
just wanted to post on page 3.

:glugglug

:glugglug

ry0t 04-22-2003 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by The Other Sweetie
Unless I overlooked something, David Lace's Title 18 info is only accessible after you log in to their site, but you've got them listed as compliant.
2257 has to be prominently displayed on the website...which means it must be readily available without registering or logging in, correct?
So am I on crack or what?

BUSTED! Aaron are you choosing favorites?


edit: why isnt matrix content on the list?

asuna 04-22-2003 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by quiet


:glugglug

:glugglug let's get as many glugg glugg's quoted here

pornJester 04-22-2003 06:59 PM

hey Aaron, fix the link to http://www.adult-contentprovider.com on your page!

lol, and it took me almost to the end of this thread to realize that was the list from my site :)

Brujah 04-22-2003 07:00 PM

Don't forget to label FalconFoto as an illegal content provider too. Gail will be so pleased she may even call you personally.

ry0t 04-22-2003 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by ry0t


BUSTED! Aaron are you choosing favorites?


edit: why isnt matrix content on the list?

edit2: oh wait matrix is. sorry

AaronM 04-22-2003 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by MichaelAncher
So Aaron !
Check out my info site ( bottom ) hope that's to your liking.
"kinda"...:)

LOL.

Taken care of. :thumbsup

AaronM 04-22-2003 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ry0t


BUSTED! Aaron are you choosing favorites?


edit: why isnt matrix content on the list?

Matrix is on the page.

As for David Lace...I actually chatted with David a little while I was making this list. The fact is that the info is well displayed in his site. As mentioned before...I am not being that picky.

asuna 04-22-2003 07:07 PM

So.. manny's site will NOT be posted?

AaronM 04-22-2003 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by asuna
So.. manny's site will NOT be posted?
Who the fuck is Manny?

Olivier 04-22-2003 07:19 PM

Glad to see I'm on the list and 2257 compliant! :thumbsup


Cheers!

theking 04-22-2003 07:27 PM

AaronM or others...

I have a question. I have this posted on an AVS site.

All girls herein are 18 years of age or older.
By entering this site you swear that you are of legal age in your area to view adult material and that you wish to view such material.
Records required pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 2257 are held by the Webmaster of this site or the sponsors of this site.

I do not know if all sponsors are compliant. They say they are but I do not know this for a fact. So am I protecting myself with the disclaimer or not? If not what do I need to do to protect myself?

Olivier 04-22-2003 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
AaronM or others...

I have a question. I have this posted on an AVS site.

All girls herein are 18 years of age or older.
By entering this site you swear that you are of legal age in your area to view adult material and that you wish to view such material.
Records required pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 2257 are held by the Webmaster of this site or the sponsors of this site.

I do not know if all sponsors are compliant. They say they are but I do not know this for a fact. So am I protecting myself with the disclaimer or not? If not what do I need to do to protect myself?

just be sure to have the correct info about the 2257 info of the content providers. The disclaimer protect you I think :thumbsup

LadyMischief 04-22-2003 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by basschick
i guess they'd rather find out from a REAL judge and jury :(

but the webmasters that trust their content provider's word that the content is legal deserve better. why don't web content producers simply put a link to their custodian of records info on their main page? i don't get it....

Webmasters need to get informed too.. THey trust that their content provider is covering their ass and doing things legally. But unfortunately a lot of people don't even know where to start.

It's blind faith. Loyalty is good, but if you don't watch your own ass, nobody else is going to watch it for you, that's for sure. They can say they will, they might even intend to.. but it's always best to be armed with information. That way nothing can catch you by surprise. If more WEBMASTERS were a little more "paranoid" about 2257 compliance, more content providers would act accordingly. It's a vicious circle, really. Too many people coming into the biz with bright ideas and no real INFORMATION. They work on whim and conjecture, but don't bother to hunt up the facts. Aaron is giving a great big reality check and probably scared the shit out of a lot of people today, but better he does things this way here than them learning the hard way behind bars as Bubba's bitch.

LadyMischief 04-22-2003 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by jcnlv
I am curious to know how many of the content brokers out there have actually *seen* any of the custodian of records information from the producers they represent.

It is great that they give the name and address of the producer... but what are they doing to verify that information?

Does the broker need copies of all releases and IDs to be fully compliant? .... or can he just pass the responsibility down to the producer?... or worse yet, the producer's agent...

Does anyone know the U.S. law on this?

A broker should not only confirm that these records exist, but it's a VERY good idea to keep them on file as well as confirmation of this fact. We require full documentation for every content set we broker for other producers in an unaltered state. We will provide altered (for model's protection) documentation for webmasters if requested. However, as I say, I know we confirm this information and keep records on hand, I would assume most otehr brokers who are concerned with full compliance would do so as well.

fantasycontent 04-22-2003 08:10 PM

hey Aaron what a great idea!

thanks for pointing out that our sister site (Fantasy Modeling) was not in compliance. Its been updated and can viewed here http://www.fantasymodeling.com/2257.html and this page is accessible from our home (enter page) http://www.fantasymodeling.com

mpegposter 04-22-2003 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief


Webmasters need to get informed too.. THey trust that their content provider is covering their ass and doing things legally. But unfortunately a lot of people don't even know where to start.


So remind me again why he didn't simply post explicit rules that each webmaster should LOOK for when buying content? Or post a complimentary thread advising adult content providers on the most common simple violations of 2257 so they could update their sites if they so chose? As Ralph Nader can attest, it's very difficult to make a difference standing out in front of huge corporate offices with picket signs. It is far easier to educate the consumer. However if Ralph Nader wrote Unsafe At Any Speed while he sat on the board of Ford Motor Co. he would have been laughed off the public stage. Sadly, adult webmasters are simply that gullible.

Buy Aaron's content! He was the one who took the huge and risky step to help purify the industry by pointing out missing names and links on his competitors' websites! And all you content providers, make sure you become Aaron's friend so he will notify you before his next 'crusade' (or simply forget to put you on the list.)

LadyMischief 04-22-2003 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by mpegposter



So remind me again why he didn't simply post explicit rules that each webmaster should LOOK for when buying content? Or post a complimentary thread advising adult content providers on the most common simple violations of 2257 so they could update their sites if they so chose? As Ralph Nader can attest, it's very difficult to make a difference standing out in front of huge corporate offices with picket signs. It is far easier to educate the consumer. However if Ralph Nader wrote Unsafe At Any Speed while he sat on the board of Ford Motor Co. he would have been laughed off the public stage. Sadly, adult webmasters are simply that gullible.

Buy Aaron's content! He was the one who took the huge and risky step to help purify the industry by pointing out missing names and links on his competitors' websites! And all you content providers, make sure you become Aaron's friend so he will notify you before his next 'crusade' (or simply forget to put you on the list.)

Do you honestly think that if it was presented as ANYTHING but a swift kick in the ass, half the people who ARE doing something would have even bothered? Most people aren't that big on subtlety. Sure, Aaron was a little tactless.. but guess what.. the law isnt' so tactful either. Everyone is so busy bitching about Aaron being "mean" that they seem to forget that he's doing them a HUGE favor, and nobody asked him to do it. He's doing it for the general betterment of the industry as a whole, and I for one applaud it. What do you want him to say? "Pardon me, but you might want to read my little list here, and umm.. could you please be nice and not make all of us suffer for your laziness?" Hell with that.


Aaron :thumbsup

theking 04-22-2003 08:29 PM

I agree. It is an important service. :thumbsup

AaronM 04-22-2003 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fantasycontent
hey Aaron what a great idea!

thanks for pointing out that our sister site (Fantasy Modeling) was not in compliance. Its been updated and can viewed here http://www.fantasymodeling.com/2257.html and this page is accessible from our home (enter page) http://www.fantasymodeling.com

Thanks for the support, Dan. I have updated that listing as well. :thumbsup

pornguy 04-22-2003 08:37 PM

Aaron,

I use some of the free content from several of my providers. How do I list them on my 2257 page?? Or can I link to their 2257 pages??


Sorry for the stupid questions..

fantasycontent 04-22-2003 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM


Thanks for the support, Dan. I have updated that listing as well. :thumbsup

Thanks Bro and anytime!!

Theo 04-22-2003 08:43 PM

good work aaron

AaronM 04-22-2003 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornguy
Aaron,

I use some of the free content from several of my providers. How do I list them on my 2257 page?? Or can I link to their 2257 pages??


Sorry for the stupid questions..

Well, I am currently working on this 2257 page for all of the PIBCash sites. I have not had it reviewed by any attorney's yet but I am pretty sure it is safe.

This may be a good option for you. Create one page with all of your providers and simply link it to your sites or galleries. In the case of sponsor content, talk to your sponsor and see what they suggest.

http://www.tonifreeland.com/2257.htm

It would not hurt for you to spend a little and get a paid consultation with an Internet attorney. Same goes for pretty much anybody in this business. Not everybody can afford to drop a few grand for a retainer but a couple hundred may keep you out of hot water.


Edit: I know the Isamar provider is missing some info. That is why this page is not live for all of our sites yet.

jact 04-22-2003 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jcnlv
I am curious to know how many of the content brokers out there have actually *seen* any of the custodian of records information from the producers they represent.

It is great that they give the name and address of the producer... but what are they doing to verify that information?

Does the broker need copies of all releases and IDs to be fully compliant? .... or can he just pass the responsibility down to the producer?... or worse yet, the producer's agent...

Does anyone know the U.S. law on this?

We require copies of all documents for items we sell. I believe Web-Legal has started to do this too for anyone non-US based. Not sure about any other brokers.

jact 04-22-2003 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
AaronM or others...

I have a question. I have this posted on an AVS site.

All girls herein are 18 years of age or older.
By entering this site you swear that you are of legal age in your area to view adult material and that you wish to view such material.
Records required pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 2257 are held by the Webmaster of this site or the sponsors of this site.

I do not know if all sponsors are compliant. They say they are but I do not know this for a fact. So am I protecting myself with the disclaimer or not? If not what do I need to do to protect myself?

So you're actually the custodian for every photo? Try again.

Brad Mitchell 04-22-2003 08:51 PM

How about checking http://www.amateur-cutie-content.com and http://www.rockbottomcontent.com both good companies by my experience they might as well be on your list.

Brad

theking 04-22-2003 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jact


So you're actually the custodian for every photo? Try again.

An explanation please?

fantasycontent 04-22-2003 08:55 PM

for those content providers that aaron listed you should give him a link back! After all if you are in compliance he has done you a favor by listing your site.

I added your button here http://www.fantasymodeling.com/resources.html

and will get one on http://www.fantasycontent.com tomorrow when my partner is back in the office.

jact 04-22-2003 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking


An explanation please?

Do you hold the unaltered documents for all the photos you're claiming that (YOU) the "webmaster" has on record? No, then stop telling the authorities that you're taking 100% responsibility and simply put the title 18 information up. Why goto jail when all it takes is a cut and paste?

ChrisH 04-22-2003 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
oh look... it's the website compliancy police.... :glugglug
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

AaronM 04-22-2003 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jact


Do you hold the unaltered documents for all the photos you're claiming that (YOU) the "webmaster" has on record? No, then stop telling the authorities that you're taking 100% responsibility and simply put the title 18 information up. Why goto jail when all it takes is a cut and paste?

NEWSFLASH!

This is GFY...Please stop making sense. :321GFY


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