Can You Trust Your Content Provider? - GoFuckYourself.com

AaronM · 04-22-2003, 03:32 PM

The following is a list of content providers who's sites have been reviewed for 2257 Compliance information.

If the Content Provider listed is compliant with U.S. Law then I have also linked their listing to their respective sites. Since the majority of this list was retrieved from adult-contentprovider.com, I have left their referral codes in place where applicable.

If I have overlooked your 2257 info then please feel free to contact me and show me where I can verify it so that I may make corrections as necessary.

With the recent additions to the laws surrounding 2257, it is now more important than ever to make sure that we are all protected. If you are purchasing content licenses from a provider who is not even covering his own ass then how can you expect that he will cover yours if and when the time comes?

Please keep in mind that not all of these companies are located in the U.S. so they may not be required by their own laws to keep the same records as U.S. companies. However, just because their laws do not have the same requirements for them does not mean that the U.S. laws so not require it from you.

Here is a link to this info. If any valid mistakes are reported to me then I will update this page as needed.

One final note. This listing is probably going to piss off a lot of people since several of these providers post to this and other webmaster boards. Before you go and flick me shit...Keep in mind that you are the one responsible for your own company, not me. If you do not have an attorney then I suggest you retain one and get your shit in order. Talk to J.D. from xxxlaw.net before it is too late.

Steve · 04-22-2003, 03:37 PM

I smell an xbox

Steve · 04-22-2003, 03:38 PM

also, thanks for the very useful info, Aaron - this will come in handy

ldinternet · 04-22-2003, 03:42 PM

AMPContent links to http;//www.ampcontent.com/

Just an FYI.

AaronM · 04-22-2003, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by ldinternet
AMPContent links to http;//www.ampcontent.com/

Just an FYI.

Old news...but thanks.

ry0t · 04-22-2003, 03:55 PM

Aaron is the man!

LadyMischief · 04-22-2003, 04:01 PM

Awesome job man.. it's about time someone actually compiled a list like this ;) Maybe people will pay a little more attention to the law if they're "called out" so to speak. Would be a nice thing to see.

Brujah · 04-22-2003, 04:02 PM

So it's a list of all the illegal content providers ? In violation of federal law ? Tsk tsk.

jact · 04-22-2003, 04:05 PM

Some of those not compliant jobs blow me away.

Dawgy · 04-22-2003, 04:07 PM

what is the link to current 2257 laws, id like to read it again.

ive seen several posted but my search for 2257 turned up so many results i dont have time to search them all for the link...

ry0t · 04-22-2003, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by Dawgy
what is the link to current 2257 laws, id like to read it again.

ive seen several posted but my search for 2257 turned up so many results i dont have time to search them all for the link...

woofmedia is expired just thought I'd give you a heads up.

gothweb · 04-22-2003, 04:12 PM

I have my 2257 info in my license, and I believe I am well compliant. I would be curious to see if you agree, and to be added to the list. I certainly do everything I can to be compliant.

MCsteve-matrix · 04-22-2003, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dawgy
what is the link to current 2257 laws, id like to read it again.

ive seen several posted but my search for 2257 turned up so many results i dont have time to search them all for the link...

Here you go... 2257

its a pdf file.

Rockstar · 04-22-2003, 04:14 PM

Hi AaronM

I am curious as to how we are in violation of any 2257 laws when we include BOTH model ID's and Model releases with our content purchases.
We are very concerned if we are in voliation and we would also appreciate any help you can offer

Thanks
Rockstar
http://www.faproductions.com

MichaelAncher · 04-22-2003, 04:16 PM

If you had checked my cover/index site, you would have noticed that Glamourgirls fully complie to 2275...please check and correct.

Cheers
Michael

AaronM · 04-22-2003, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
I have my 2257 info in my license, and I believe I am well compliant. I would be curious to see if you agree, and to be added to the list. I certainly do everything I can to be compliant.

I will check it out.

AaronM · 04-22-2003, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rockstar
Hi AaronM

I am curious as to how we are in violation of any 2257 laws when we include BOTH model ID's and Model releases with our content purchases.
We are very concerned if we are in voliation and we would also appreciate any help you can offer

Thanks
Rockstar
http://www.faproductions.com

What? Am I your attorney now? Ask him.

Rockstar · 04-22-2003, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

What? Am I your attorney now? Ask him.

Wow thanks for all your help.............

AaronM · 04-22-2003, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MichaelAncher
If you had checked my cover/index site, you would have noticed that Glamourgirls fully complie to 2275...please check and correct.
Cheers
Michael

They day you become compliant and notify me then I will fix it.

You are NOT compliant.

Gary · 04-22-2003, 04:21 PM

Theres nothing more fun than content providers eating their own. LOL

Its like watching vultures work on a corpse.

POPCORN!!!!

Brujah · 04-22-2003, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by Rockstar

Wow thanks for all your help.............

Just sue him for libel. He said you're running an illegal content business in violation of federal law and by making a list, people are discouraged from purchasing from you.

EscortBiz · 04-22-2003, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rockstar
Hi AaronM

I am curious as to how we are in violation of any 2257 laws when we include BOTH model ID's and Model releases with our content purchases.
We are very concerned if we are in voliation and we would also appreciate any help you can offer

Thanks
Rockstar
http://www.faproductions.com

Section 2.1b
Content provider shall sell content at a rate greater then $2257

basschick · 04-22-2003, 04:23 PM

Rockstar, do you have the i.d. in your primary place of business and available to law enforcement during business hours? are the i.d.s organized by shoot so you can easily find them?

your front page says custodial info is available by request, but the law says the custodian address must be given in a prominant place on the website. perhaps that is the problem. if you make them ask you, you're breaking the law.

Gary · 04-22-2003, 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

Section 2.1b
Content provider shall sell content at a rate greater then $2257

ROFL!!!!

FATPad · 04-22-2003, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

What? Am I your attorney now? Ask him.

I like the idea of the list. Wonder if it'll make it to any resource sites.

I do think that if you're going to make a list of illegal content producers and showcase it for the world, you might want to let them know what you think is wrong when they ask you.

LadyMischief · 04-22-2003, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary
Theres nothing more fun than content providers eating their own. LOL

Its like watching vultures work on a corpse.

POPCORN!!!!

How is it eating their own? He's given a list of those who don't comply AND who do comply. Don't shoot the messenger.. Aaron is doing both these providers AND webmasters a service by showing them they need to be complaint!!

jact · 04-22-2003, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by basschick
Rockstar, do you have the i.d. in your primary place of business and available to law enforcement during business hours? are the i.d.s organized by shoot so you can easily find them?

your front page says custodial info is available by request, but the law says the custodian address must be given in a prominant place on the website. perhaps that is the problem. if you make them ask you, you're breaking the law.

Bingo!

Kenneth K · 04-22-2003, 04:25 PM

Hi Aaron,

Eventhough we are not required to follow the US law, we still have to follow the Danish ones - our 2257 info can be found here: http://www.1stcontent.com/license.asp

/Kenneth

FATPad · 04-22-2003, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah

Just sue him for libel. He said you're running an illegal content business in violation of federal law and by making a list, people are discouraged from purchasing from you.

If it turns out Aaron is right, there won't be a case for libel.

AaronM · 04-22-2003, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rockstar

Wow thanks for all your help.............

It's a tough biz, kid.

When you do not check with an attorney and then do not play by the rules, it has the potential to hurt those of us who do. Do not expect any favors from me.

Gary · 04-22-2003, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief

How is it eating their own? He's given a list of those who don't comply AND who do comply. Don't shoot the messenger.. Aaron is doing both these providers AND webmasters a service by showing them they need to be complaint!!

Easy there. Just having fun picturing a 20 page thread of content provider fighting it out. LOL

I think the list is great. Good job aaron

basschick · 04-22-2003, 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by jact

Bingo!

i got bingo! did i win money!??!?!?! *lol*

AaronM · 04-22-2003, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah

Just sue him for libel. He said you're running an illegal content business in violation of federal law and by making a list, people are discouraged from purchasing from you.

Yep...Sue me....Bring the courts attention to your fuck up.

After the hearing, they may want to take you into custody though.

jact · 04-22-2003, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by basschick

i got bingo! did i win money!??!?!?! *lol*

Sure

AaronM · 04-22-2003, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by basschick
Rockstar, do you have the i.d. in your primary place of business and available to law enforcement during business hours? are the i.d.s organized by shoot so you can easily find them?

your front page says custodial info is available by request, but the law says the custodian address must be given in a prominant place on the website. perhaps that is the problem. if you make them ask you, you're breaking the law.

Somebody gets it.

basschick · 04-22-2003, 04:29 PM

for the last year, whenever i go to a new content provider, i write and ask them about their custodian. very often they have it in their homes or offices, and often no one is there during business hours. some use a post office box address. many don't have the custodial info where it can be found.

maybe this list will help get these folks legal - some have great content but when i talk to them about their custodian, they have excuses. fuck that!

Rockstar · 04-22-2003, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by basschick
Rockstar, do you have the i.d. in your primary place of business and available to law enforcement during business hours? are the i.d.s organized by shoot so you can easily find them?

your front page says custodial info is available by request, but the law says the custodian address must be given in a prominant place on the website. perhaps that is the problem. if you make them ask you, you're breaking the law.

Yes we do have it available to anyone and organised by model and we also INCLUDE this information ie: model id's and model releases for all content sets we sell

i can NOT imagine how we are not compliant.
But if we are NOT i want to know why and i will have this resolved because i don't see how any of our clients or potenial clients can feel that we are not LEGIT when we provide this information with EACH purchase

But we will have that infomation posted this ASAP if that is what we are not doing and thanks for your imput

jact · 04-22-2003, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by basschick
for the last year, whenever i go to a new content provider, i write and ask them about their custodian. very often they have it in their homes or offices, and often no one is there during business hours. some use a post office box address. many don't have the custodial info where it can be found.

maybe this list will help get these folks legal - some have great content but when i talk to them about their custodian, they have excuses. fuck that!

Too many webmasters are ignorant of the requirements, and a scary amount of content providers are. I'm not subject to 2257 but there's no way in hell I'd take the chance by not complying since most of my customers are US residents.

AaronM · 04-22-2003, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kenneth K
Hi Aaron,

Eventhough we are not required to follow the US law, we still have to follow the Danish ones - our 2257 info can be found here: http://www.1stcontent.com/license.asp

/Kenneth

Yes Kenneth, I saw this page but it does not conform to US law.

If this is the physical addy of your records AND your custodian of such...Please add his or her name above the address and let me know so I can update your listing.

Sankt Pauls Plads 9, kld.
1314 Copenhagen K
Denmark

Before Rockstart bitches....Notice how Kenneth at least made an effort?

jact · 04-22-2003, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rockstar

Yes we do have it available to anyone and organised by model and we also INCLUDE this information ie: model id's and model releases for all content sets we sell

i can NOT imagine how we are not compliant.
But if we are NOT i want to know why and i will have this resolved because i don't see how any of our clients or potenial clients can feel that we are not LEGIT when we provide this information with EACH purchase

But we will have that infomation posted this ASAP if that is what we are not doing and thanks for your imput

You have some reading to do. Giving docs don't mean lickity if you aren't following the laws as they're laid out. What, you making the webmasters the custodians now?

Brujah · 04-22-2003, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
If it turns out Aaron is right, there won't be a case for libel.

I know at least one provider in the list who does have custodian info on the site. So a competitor is labeling him as running an illegal business and there's an insinuation that most of the competitors cannot be trusted.

jact · 04-22-2003, 04:33 PM

A company can't be a custodian.

stocktrader23 · 04-22-2003, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rockstar
Hi AaronM

I am curious as to how we are in violation of any 2257 laws when we include BOTH model ID's and Model releases with our content purchases.
We are very concerned if we are in voliation and we would also appreciate any help you can offer

Thanks
Rockstar
http://www.faproductions.com

I'd like to see your response to the advice given by a few. I have some content I purchased from you that I don't want to use until you get a link up there.

AaronM · 04-22-2003, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jact

Too many webmasters are ignorant of the requirements, and a scary amount of content providers are. I'm not subject to 2257 but there's no way in hell I'd take the chance by not complying since most of my customers are US residents.

I would like to add that the custodial info on JactContent.com is by far the most impressive display I have seen.

Steve · 04-22-2003, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
I like the idea of the list. Wonder if it'll make it to any resource sites.

I might link to it on my submit pages - I think my submit partners would find this information very useful.

Rockstar · 04-22-2003, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jact

You have some reading to do. Giving docs don't mean lickity if you aren't following the laws as they're laid out. What, you making the webmasters the custodians now?

I just want to follow the law and do things the right way and i will say a BIG thank you to AaronM for pointing it out

I am not here to get into any kind of pissing match. I am only trying to do the right thing. I have already messaged my partner and we will have this fixed by tomorrow and once again thanks

FATPad · 04-22-2003, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah

I know at least one provider in the list who does have custodian info on the site. So a competitor is labeling him as running an illegal business and there's an insinuation that most of the competitors cannot be trusted.

Yes. If he is wrong, he can be sued for libel and defamation of character and all kinds of things.

If he is right, he can't be sued for anything.

Edited to add: That's why I think it would be in his best interests to answer the questions from the people he labelled as not conforming. If he did miss something, they can point it out now, and he can make a change to his list now before it escalates. But that's just my opinion. :P

jact · 04-22-2003, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

I would like to add that the custodial info on JactContent.com is by far the most impressive display I have seen.

Why thank you Aaron. As per my understanding of 2257 the date of production is important, not sure if it's a requirement but it helps authorities date a shoot to see if the models were in fact 18 at the time of production.

Kenneth K · 04-22-2003, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

Yes Kenneth, I saw this page but it does not conform to US law.

If this is the physical addy of your records AND your custodian of such...Please add his or her name above the address and let me know so I can update your listing.

Sankt Pauls Plads 9, kld.
1314 Copenhagen K
Denmark

Before Rockstart bitches....Notice how Kenneth at least made an effort?

Well, if thats all missing, gees... our biz is 100% legit, even with the danish version of IRS...

AaronM · 04-22-2003, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah

I know at least one provider in the list who does have custodian info on the site. So a competitor is labeling him as running an illegal business and there's an insinuation that most of the competitors cannot be trusted.

Show me the mistake and I will fix it. Just as the initial post AND that web page state.

04-22-2003, 03:32 PM	#1
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	Can You Trust Your Content Provider? The following is a list of content providers who's sites have been reviewed for 2257 Compliance information. If the Content Provider listed is compliant with U.S. Law then I have also linked their listing to their respective sites. Since the majority of this list was retrieved from adult-contentprovider.com, I have left their referral codes in place where applicable. If I have overlooked your 2257 info then please feel free to contact me and show me where I can verify it so that I may make corrections as necessary. With the recent additions to the laws surrounding 2257, it is now more important than ever to make sure that we are all protected. If you are purchasing content licenses from a provider who is not even covering his own ass then how can you expect that he will cover yours if and when the time comes? Please keep in mind that not all of these companies are located in the U.S. so they may not be required by their own laws to keep the same records as U.S. companies. However, just because their laws do not have the same requirements for them does not mean that the U.S. laws so not require it from you. Here is a link to this info. If any valid mistakes are reported to me then I will update this page as needed. One final note. This listing is probably going to piss off a lot of people since several of these providers post to this and other webmaster boards. Before you go and flick me shit...Keep in mind that you are the one responsible for your own company, not me. If you do not have an attorney then I suggest you retain one and get your shit in order. Talk to J.D. from xxxlaw.net before it is too late.

04-22-2003, 04:01 PM	#7
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	Awesome job man.. it's about time someone actually compiled a list like this ;) Maybe people will pay a little more attention to the law if they're "called out" so to speak. Would be a nice thing to see. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

04-22-2003, 04:02 PM	#8
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	So it's a list of all the illegal content providers ? In violation of federal law ? Tsk tsk. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

04-22-2003, 04:05 PM	#9
jact Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Canada Posts: 9,134	Some of those not compliant jobs blow me away. __________________ Free agent

04-22-2003, 04:07 PM	#10
Dawgy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 5,856	what is the link to current 2257 laws, id like to read it again. ive seen several posted but my search for 2257 turned up so many results i dont have time to search them all for the link... __________________ the revolution is coming.

04-22-2003, 03:37 PM	#2
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	I smell an xbox

04-22-2003, 03:38 PM	#3
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	also, thanks for the very useful info, Aaron - this will come in handy

04-22-2003, 03:42 PM	#4
ldinternet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 8,245	AMPContent links to http;//www.ampcontent.com/ Just an FYI.

04-22-2003, 03:55 PM	#6
ry0t So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 4,160	Aaron is the man!

04-22-2003, 04:12 PM	#12
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	I have my 2257 info in my license, and I believe I am well compliant. I would be curious to see if you agree, and to be added to the list. I certainly do everything I can to be compliant. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

04-22-2003, 04:14 PM	#14
Rockstar Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 333	Hi AaronM I am curious as to how we are in violation of any 2257 laws when we include BOTH model ID's and Model releases with our content purchases. We are very concerned if we are in voliation and we would also appreciate any help you can offer Thanks Rockstar http://www.faproductions.com __________________ ICQ - 177606166

04-22-2003, 04:16 PM	#15
MichaelAncher Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Prague Posts: 742	If you had checked my cover/index site, you would have noticed that Glamourgirls fully complie to 2275...please check and correct. Cheers Michael __________________ GlamourGirls...HQ 2257 Compliant Glamour Photo and Video Content, for Web - Mobile and TV !! Profiles: XBIZ - AdultWhosWho \| ICQ 179004915

04-22-2003, 04:21 PM	#20
Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	Theres nothing more fun than content providers eating their own. LOL Its like watching vultures work on a corpse. POPCORN!!!! __________________ Up to 35$ per join...!

04-22-2003, 04:23 PM	#23
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	Rockstar, do you have the i.d. in your primary place of business and available to law enforcement during business hours? are the i.d.s organized by shoot so you can easily find them? your front page says custodial info is available by request, but the law says the custodian address must be given in a prominant place on the website. perhaps that is the problem. if you make them ask you, you're breaking the law.

04-22-2003, 04:25 PM	#28
Kenneth K Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: 123Content.com, Denmark Posts: 459	Hi Aaron, Eventhough we are not required to follow the US law, we still have to follow the Danish ones - our 2257 info can be found here: http://www.1stcontent.com/license.asp /Kenneth __________________ 123 Content - Formerly known as 1st Content \| ICQ: 128732055

04-22-2003, 04:29 PM	#36
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	for the last year, whenever i go to a new content provider, i write and ask them about their custodian. very often they have it in their homes or offices, and often no one is there during business hours. some use a post office box address. many don't have the custodial info where it can be found. maybe this list will help get these folks legal - some have great content but when i talk to them about their custodian, they have excuses. fuck that!

04-22-2003, 04:33 PM	#42
jact Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Canada Posts: 9,134	A company can't be a custodian. __________________ Free agent