Business Ad Blocking - What are you doing about it? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Markul · 07-07-2015, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PAR

This topic has come up a few times..

It is possible to recover ads from ad blocker, there are a few methods to do so.

The good and the bad about removing the ads.

You will be able to recover and increase ad impressions by about 10-20%
But the clicks on the ads will not also go up by the same % good luck even getting an overall increase of 5%.

So the over all CTR value of the ads will drop.
If you are selling ads this may lead to a CPM value drop to of set the quality of the ad spots.
Unless you are keeping the recovered ads for yourself and not forcing the original ads to load..
Then you have the time and energy spent keeping the ad recovery going.
You can find that the ROI on recovering ads to be a loss.

A higher ROI can be found in changing things up a little by putting Ads in non traditional placements (example : NTV's on the left and not the right)
This can recover ads for people that have become ad blind on your site.

True

thanks for the input - we're keeping the recovered ads for ourselves and not forcing any original ads though. Simply going to try to convert the traffic for now.

Plutocracy · 07-07-2015, 09:28 AM

I added text below my banners - example > Login | Empire Amateurs

CurrentlySober · 07-08-2015, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Markul

Can you post an example and the site? I'd like to reach out and talk to the owner to see how they did with it. I don't care if it's a site about cats and camels, just to hear their experiences

Example:

Site:
Christine movie mistakes, goofs and bloopers

Bladewire · 07-08-2015, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Example:

Site:
Christine movie mistakes, goofs and bloopers

I've seen those before

It's just a warning to educate surfers that the site now knows ads are being blocked.

We all know that sites relying on ads won't happily trade a Facebook like, or Twitter follow for their ad income in the end

DavieVegas · 07-08-2015, 01:45 PM

I wish some programmer would figure out ways around these ad blockers already. Its a damn shame its somehow legal to deny site owners money.

Markul · 07-09-2015, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DavieVegas

I wish some programmer would figure out ways around these ad blockers already. Its a damn shame its somehow legal to deny site owners money.

https://github.com/sitexw/FuckAdBlock

Paul Markham · 07-09-2015, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

I've seen those before

It's just a warning to educate surfers that the site now knows ads are being blocked.

We all know that sites relying on ads won't happily trade a Facebook like, or Twitter follow for their ad income in the end

Great way of telling the surfer not to come back to that site.

Paul Markham · 07-09-2015, 12:58 AM

This is a new world, ad blockers, spam filters are all part of it. And they will become more common, better at blocking and make your jobs harder.

Adapt of die. It's your turn now to be the cool ones and adapt.

Tube sites might suffer, imagine a world where the cost of delivering 30,000 free views/wanks to get a sale can't be paid for by ad sales.

georgeyw · 07-09-2015, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

This is a new world, ad blockers, spam filters are all part of it. And they will become more common, better at blocking and make your jobs harder.

Adapt of die. It's your turn now to be the cool ones and adapt.

Tube sites might suffer, imagine a world where the cost of delivering 30,000 free views/wanks to get a sale can't be paid for by ad sales.

oh ffs, Paul, give it a rest please.

@OP - at present I don't do anything about it, the thought was there to redirect those that do this, but that does not address the reason why they do it.

I don't use any adblocking plugins myself, live by the sword die by the sword mindset and I like to see how others are advertising.

Personally my worst experiences with ads are on news sites, these guys load up ads in every possible format and they are extremely annoying, worse than any porn site(s).

aka123 · 07-09-2015, 02:15 AM

This conversation is pretty funny as everybody talks about advertising something, yet there is lot of ad bashing. In other words, there are still ads and advertising, just the format is different. Or if you aren't selling anything in any way, you are giving something for free.

So, lets make this ad blocking as a real ad blocking. Every ad, advertising, etc. is blocked by sophisticated software. For example no offers about subscription, webshops are blank, etc.

But for real, people want to see advertising and ads. The issue is more like that they want to be more in control; for example they expect and want to see relevant advertising about iPhone when they google about it (like webshops selling it).

For any site to succeed financially there has to be ads and advertising. If nothing else, advertising and ads about making donation. See my sig. It is an ad.

Paul Markham · 07-09-2015, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123

This conversation is pretty funny as everybody talks about advertising something, yet there is lot of ad bashing. In other words, there are still ads and advertising, just the format is different. Or if you aren't selling anything in any way, you are giving something for free.

So, lets make this ad blocking as a real ad blocking. Every ad, advertising, etc. is blocked by sophisticated software. For example no offers about subscription, webshops are blank, etc.

But for real, people want to see advertising and ads. The issue is more like that they want to be more in control; for example they expect and want to see relevant advertising about iPhone when they google about it (like webshops selling it).

For any site to succeed financially there has to be ads and advertising. If nothing else, advertising and ads about making donation. See my sig. It is an ad.

What people want to see is real information. When I bought a new laptop I wanted real reviews, our holidays are booked after reviewing the places and accommodation. Same goes for loads of products we buy or book online.

As you say people want to see where to buy, what to buy, now a site that gets to the top of the search engine with neither relying on ad sales.

Will Ad Blockers and Spam Filters be another adapt or die situation?

aka123 · 07-09-2015, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

What people want to see is real information. When I bought a new laptop I wanted real reviews, our holidays are booked after reviewing the places and accommodation. Same goes for loads of products we buy or book online.

As you say people want to see where to buy, what to buy, now a site that gets to the top of the search engine with neither relying on ad sales.

Will Ad Blockers and Spam Filters be another adapt or die situation?

And part of the real information is also product information, etc., not just reviews.

What comes the ad sales, visitors don't really care about the website's business model, at least regarding this ad reliance issue. Ad is an ad. The both sites those get on top of the search in this case, rely on advertising. You look this from the webmaster perspective, visitors don't.

Showing product(s) is advertising, showing product information is advertising, showing customer reviews is advertising, etc. It is all advertising. It might not be banner, but it sure as hell is advertising (or more broadly marketing).

For example my porn sites. As an affiliate those are one fucking advertising from top to bottom, as all the material is essentially advertising material. There are banners in left side (one at a time aka one banner), but from marketing perspective that is irrelevant as the whole site is one big ad. I advertise subscriptions, whether I sell the subscriptions myself or not is irrelevant. Customers don't know about the ownerships about the sites those subscriptions I advertise.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-09-2015, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

What people want to see is real information. When I bought a new laptop I wanted real reviews, our holidays are booked after reviewing the places and accommodation. Same goes for loads of products we buy or book online.

As you say people want to see where to buy, what to buy, now a site that gets to the top of the search engine with neither relying on ad sales.

Will Ad Blockers and Spam Filters be another adapt or die situation?

Influencer marketing and PR from buyer reviews along with peer reviews-opinion in social media will always be more effective than CTA or creative advertising with regard to mainstream products and services.

The advertising media open to porn and porn related products is another matter.

I don't think the two can be compared.

Markul · 07-10-2015, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Influencer marketing and PR from buyer reviews along with peer reviews-opinion in social media will always be more effective than CTA or creative advertising with regard to mainstream products and services.

The advertising media open to porn and porn related products is another matter.

I don't think the two can be compared.

This

MrGusMuller · 07-11-2015, 05:02 AM

AdBlock Plus blocked keywords! | digitalwhores

Barry-xlovecam · 07-11-2015, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MrGusMuller

AdBlock Plus blocked keywords! | digitalwhores

Nice list!

08:12 AM-barry@deathstar9:...07-2015/adblock-keyword-list$ grep -in "xlove" adblock-keyword-list.txt |more
27479:||xlovecam.com^$third-party

One advertiser (?) has gotten us on the shit list

There are a lot of sites in this business on that list and a lot of the bulk advertisers that are answering a lot of threads around here.

As an buyer of bulk ads: what are we actually paying for the times the code appears on the page where it is blocked, where it is blocked in the browser or the actual delivery at our servers? I use Ghostery on one browser and the code is 'absorbed' by Ghostery. I get a page with a yes or no button. The ad is served to my browser and I don't see it just the warning 'blocked' page -- the ad was served to my IP and the advertiser pays. This goes for pop up, form onclick: Then there is a separate issue of display (banner) ads that never appear on the page.

Get that list and start checking your network ad domains

AdultKing · 07-11-2015, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Markul

What are you doing about users blocking your ads? Education? Intrusion? Redirection? Nothing?

On my mainstream sites I have started experimenting with dynamically adding links to offers when Adblock is detected. It's been fairly successful, however considering the ad tools and the type of content provided on adult sites I have my doubts about how the method would translate to adult.

One of the problems is that in adult these days we rely so much upon 3rd party sponsors now. If you run your own sites then this isn't a problem, you can use text linking to direct traffic (some of it) to your own money sites. If you're reliant on third party ads then this becomes problematic.

I'm glad you brought up this topic Markul, there's a few smart people on this board, it's something worth investing some time into finding creative solutions for.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-11-2015, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

On my mainstream sites I have started experimenting with dynamically adding links to offers when Adblock is detected. ... then this becomes problematic.

I'm glad you brought up this topic Markul, there's a few smart people on this board, it's something worth investing some time into finding creative solutions for.

31385:||itv.com/adexplore/*/config.xml

You are just not doing the volume to be effected

of course they set themselves up "adexplore" but mainstream or adult is not the issue. Read that list -- the majority of blocking is on mainstream.

ITV â€“ Player, TV Guide, ITV, ITV2, catchup, X Factor, Vera, Coronation Street, Emmerdale

Paul Markham · 07-11-2015, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Influencer marketing and PR from buyer reviews along with peer reviews-opinion in social media will always be more effective than CTA or creative advertising with regard to mainstream products and services.

The advertising media open to porn and porn related products is another matter.

I don't think the two can be compared.

What's the worse that could happen if ad blocking became very successful?

Considering we give away 30,000 ad supported free jerk offs to every sale?

People blocking ads, are people who don't want to see them. The sales lost are minimal. Ad blockers tip the balance away from Tubes being viable, then what?

Men won't stop jerking off while looking at porn.

Yes a lot of people who rely on buying or selling traffic relying on the 1-30,000 conversion rate sites will have to adapt. Just like we always have done. The clever ones are looking for the next step, not complaining the last one is in trouble.

1-30,000 is only an example.

aka123 · 07-11-2015, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

People blocking ads, are people who don't want to see them. The sales lost are minimal.

If you take this beyond conventional porn thinking, there are lot of things lost. For example creating brand awareness. There is no need for people to click ad to create brand awareness. It doesn't matter that do the customers want to see the ads or not. Even in worst case scenario it influences people, but the wrong way (bad brand image).

People blocking ads still buy things (or vote), at least 99,999 % of them. Yes, they might not buy the Wonderdildo to be stuffed into ass, but they buy something.

As one big aspect in professional media buying is coverage; I don't really get the downplaying of this problem. Well, I work 99 % in mainstream, so maybe it influences my view about this issue.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-11-2015, 07:45 AM

We buy bulk ads at a reduced volume price and a customer we convert will average spend over $100 LOL. So, its not that bad of a deal for us even at a 1:30,000 first time conversion rate.

It would be a lot more cost effective if we paid 10X the price and got a 1:1,000 first time conversion rate.

1.) People will block ads
2.) People will close pop-ups/unders and DHTML
3.) Most 99.90%+ will not click banners

This advertising in general is ''top of mind branding.'' When the person you are trying to brand your name or product with never sees your brand -- then your money is just wasted on them.

Adult brands are not PC for social media really. You will have little result with radio ads. We have had some favorable results with cable (adult channel advertising). 40% to 50% +- of our sales have an DirectAccess origin -- type-ins. So the branding value in ads is substantial.

Let's face it, people don't all gather on Facebook to have a circle jerk together

I never understand why there is not a ''porn social media" for us ''pervs.'' If this was a subscription site, for $4.99 a month, all of the users would have prequalified with payment cards and the site owner could make a bundle selling ads to his users that pay

Would it be worth offering some real full length content or cam exhibitions-specials live to a porn media audience that is payment card verified? Yeah, to some extent you are right -- you have to think out of the box. If someone does something serious in this direction we will rent a ''booth.''

aka123 · 07-11-2015, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

We buy bulk ads at a reduced volume price and a customer we convert will average spend over $100 LOL. So, its not that bad of a deal for us even at a 1:30,000 first time conversion rate.

It would be a lot more cost effective if we paid 10X the price and got a 1:1,000 first time conversion rate.

1.) People will block ads
2.) People will close pop-ups/unders and DHTML
3.) Most 99.90%+ will not click banners

This advertising in general is ''top of mind branding.'' When the person you are trying to brand your name or product with never sees your brand -- then your money is just wasted on them.

Adult brands are not PC for social media really. You will have little result with radio ads. We have had some favorable results with cable (adult channel advertising). 40% to 50% +- of our sales have an DirectAccess origin -- type-ins. So the branding value in ads is substantial.

Let's face it, people don't all gather on Facebook to have a circle jerk together

I never understand why there is not a ''porn social media" for us ''pervs.'' If this was a subscription site, for $4.99 a month, all of the users would have prequalified with payment cards and the site owner could make a bundle selling ads to his users that pay

Would it be worth offering some real full length content or cam exhibitions-specials live to a porn media audience that is payment card verified? Yeah, to some extent you are right -- you have to think out of the box. If someone does something serious in this direction we will rent a ''booth.''

How about outdoor ads? But as for example in Russia a big boobed ad girl caused massive amount of accidents, maybe it is best to avoid highways.

Also, as the ads will surely cause stir and opposition, it offers even more exposure as people are "Oh my, where is this world going to?" Wives tell to their husbands what new sins there are in town and at the night the husbands go check it out personally.

Paul Markham · 07-11-2015, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123

If you take this beyond conventional porn thinking, there are lot of things lost. For example creating brand awareness. There is no need for people to click ad to create brand awareness. It doesn't matter that do the customers want to see the ads or not. Even in worst case scenario it influences people, but the wrong way (bad brand image).

People blocking ads still buy things (or vote), at least 99,999 % of them. Yes, they might not buy the Wonderdildo to be stuffed into ass, but they buy something.

As one big aspect in professional media buying is coverage; I don't really get the downplaying of this problem. Well, I work 99 % in mainstream, so maybe it influences my view about this issue.

I understand it will need people to rethink there business model. As many have had to before and in the future.

Someone installing an Ad Blocker is exercising their freedom to do so. Are you saying they shouldn't or you should counter their decision?

Paul Markham · 07-12-2015, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

We buy bulk ads at a reduced volume price and a customer we convert will average spend over $100 LOL. So, its not that bad of a deal for us even at a 1:30,000 first time conversion rate.

It would be a lot more cost effective if we paid 10X the price and got a 1:1,000 first time conversion rate.

1.) People will block ads
2.) People will close pop-ups/unders and DHTML
3.) Most 99.90%+ will not click banners

If 99.99% of surfers weren't getting off on free porn, 1-1,000 might be very achievable.

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This advertising in general is ''top of mind branding.'' When the person you are trying to brand your name or product with never sees your brand -- then your money is just wasted on them.

What branding? A person who doesn't want to see an advert, will see it as a negative towards that brand.

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Adult brands are not PC for social media really. You will have little result with radio ads. We have had some favorable results with cable (adult channel advertising). 40% to 50% +- of our sales have an DirectAccess origin -- type-ins. So the branding value in ads is substantial.

Which should remain with the people who want to see your ads.

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Let's face it, people don't all gather on Facebook to have a circle jerk together

I never understand why there is not a ''porn social media" for us ''pervs.'' If this was a subscription site, for $4.99 a month, all of the users would have prequalified with payment cards and the site owner could make a bundle selling ads to his users that pay

Would it be worth offering some real full length content or cam exhibitions-specials live to a porn media audience that is payment card verified? Yeah, to some extent you are right -- you have to think out of the box. If someone does something serious in this direction we will rent a ''booth.''

Facebook advertising would be hit just as hard if the advertised benefit of the advert was given away free.

Trying to get people to pay $4.99 when wank fodder is free is dangerous. If the site is supported by giving away free porn to sell ad space, you might just harm sales.

Free porn advertising use to a box cover, then it moved to Newsgroups, FHGs, MPGs, and now Tubes, selling ad space that converts 1-30,000 on clicks. Anyone remember the days of 1-300?

The difference between mainstream is most of them don't give their product away for free, when they do it's rarely as easy as we do. Which has been the course of online porn for 15 years. Would it really cause harm if ad sales were no longer profitable enough to support Tube sites?

Anyway, Ad Blockers are here to stay, adapt or die.

johnnyloadproductions · 07-12-2015, 12:31 AM

Looks like Paul has his mojo back.

Bladewire · 07-12-2015, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Anyway, Ad Blockers are here to stay, adapt or die.

Truth

1) I don't need to be an affiliate I can have uploaders provide stolen content

2) I'll be a good guy and just make money off of "ad platforms", redirects, x-sales, upsells so surfers can see stolen content in HD,

3) Oops, I promised surfers free porn, but I'm redirecting them, I'm giving them ads, I'm upselling and cross selling.

4) Oh no! Surfers are blocking my ads and redirects, they aren't upselling or cross selling. They know I don't own the content now.

5) I must find a way to continue redirecting, serving ads, upselling & cross selling.

6) If they use an ad blocker I'll give them alternate low quality content, I'll let them know that I know they are avoiding my spammy ads. I'll disable certain functions of the site soon, yes, that will get them to click and pay, one way or another. I deserve this. I worked hard to steal all of this. I did it because I could. I'll fuck with ad blocker surfers because and content producers because I can. I own them. All of them are mine

aka123 · 07-12-2015, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I understand it will need people to rethink there business model. As many have had to before and in the future.

Someone installing an Ad Blocker is exercising their freedom to do so. Are you saying they shouldn't or you should counter their decision?

It is not just about business model. Branding is not business model, it is part of marketing. Of course ads are just one tool in branding tool box, but anyways, quite significant one.

I am saying that I can do what ever (legal stuff) I want regarding providing something for others. I can demand something in return, it is totally legal. They make their decisions, I make mine. One example of this is newspapers giving up free news stories in their websites, partially or totally and selling subscriptions to their sites. They can demand something in return, not just give up when their ad revenue declines. This doesn't sound like so bad-ass move in porn (as you do it already), but in today's news media it is.

aka123 · 07-12-2015, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

What branding? A person who doesn't want to see an advert, will see it as a negative towards that brand.

Who has this kind of ad hate anyways? "An ad??!!! I fucking hate that company that is advertised in that banner."

It is anyways total oversimplification that people using ad blockers wouldn't want to see ads at all or would have very negative approach towards ads. Especially regarding end results. You know; many people have long been "These fucking TV ads, so much ads.. blaa.. blaa..." but they still buy things based on seeing ads. Why? Because that how they get to know the products in the first place. Or being displayed in the store (advertising). Even when he reads some social media post about it, the guy posting about it probably hasn't get to know the product by some telepathic way. No, he has first seen an ad about it or seen it in the store.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-12-2015, 08:28 AM

What branding? A person who doesn't want to see an advert, will see it as a negative towards that brand.

How many cam sites have been made the villain for there awful popups on tube sites

Why do you think cam sites are taking in near 1 billion dollars a year?

Surfers know our fuckin' names. There is no such thing as bad publicity they say. The Surfers are looking for free content on tubes so what the fuck do I care? I made them cry boo-hoo -- tough world the free porn word has become.

That is why the conversion rate is so low and why we pay a relatively low rate compared to the small traffic buyers. If you cannot buy enough traffic to have the numbers on your side -- stay out of the game -- you will lose.

You don't know what you are talking about. I doubt you have ever spent more that $1000 a day on internet ad network ads.

Bladewire · 07-12-2015, 09:19 AM

Clearly this mentality will not change, good for the industry as a whole. A window is open for non spammy innovators.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-12-2015, 09:46 AM

The shotgun effect works in advertising and you advertise were the traffic is

I am media neutral -- where the ROMI is: the volume branding and conversions will always win out.

If I could buy ads on Facebook for what they are worth -- (remember ROMI?) I would. Facebook is losing our ad revenue by excluding ''adult'' they have bigger fish to fry and it is to their benefit to exclude us. So, when they are finished at Facebook where do they go to Fap?

To a freemuim operation like a tube or some freemium cam site where my ads would not be accepted.

.05%( or a lot less?) head for a paysite or a PPV cam site. How the hell do you think they got there?

Bladewire · 07-12-2015, 10:02 AM

Facebook lets me create semi adult pages and market them via paid post boosts etc. Facebook surfers, of all surfers, are most immune to ads. Facebook adapts, by paid boosting of posts. Been like this for a few years now. Adult needs to adapt.

Analyze your surfing experience while on FB with an ad blocker on, that's the key. Very simple. Tumblr, same thing.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-12-2015, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Facebook lets me create semi adult pages and market them via paid post boosts etc. Facebook surfers, of all surfers, are most immune to ads. Facebook adapts, by paid boosting of posts. Been like this for a few years now. Adult needs to adapt.

Analyze your surfing experience while on FB with an ad blocker on, that's the key. Very simple. Tumblr, same thing.

Then their ads are worth what they are because they are not seen. If you can make money with Facebook ads use them.

That's why the shotgun method works on a large scale. You also cannot link direct to a porn site from a Facebook ad -- or Twitter.

I need 200K new visitors inbound a day! Not a few hundred -- I have 6,000 ''mouths to feed.'' Unless I hold their little hands, and lead the way, the models won't/don't know how to use their (or their screen-name's) social media accounts to make money. If a model generates her own conversion she gets an additional 20% on all of that customers purchases for every/all model(s) he chooses to spend on -- the money is there! But you have to take the initiative.

The models and studios depend on the website's customers and the site's advertising budget. You would think for an extra 20% they would get organised .. but its easier to split-cam and scrape their privates from several sites.

Not meant personally ''Blade'' but talk is cheap. If someone had an advertising disruptive innovation on paper or in alpha -- there are joint-venture or VC monies available. But most traffic ideas are just copycat and trading dollars (market capture or transfer of market). Innovation and not imitation.

Bladewire · 07-12-2015, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Then their ads are worth what they are because they are not seen. If you can make money with Facebook ads use them.

That's why the shotgun method works on a large scale. You also cannot link direct to a porn site from a Facebook ad -- or Twitter.

I need 200K new visitors inbound a day! Not a few hundred -- I have 6,000 ''mouths to feed.'' Unless I hold their little hands, and lead the way, the models won't/don't know how to use their (or their screen-name's) social media accounts to make money. If a model generates her own conversion she gets an additional 20% on all of that customers purchases for every/all model(s) he chooses to spend on -- the money is there! But you have to take the initiative.

The models and studios depend on the website's customers and the site's advertising budget. You would think for an extra 20% they would get organised .. but its easier to split-cam and scrape their privates from several sites.

Not meant personally ''Blade'' but talk is cheap. If someone had an advertising disruptive innovation on paper or in alpha -- there are joint-venture or VC monies available. But most traffic ideas are just copycat and trading dollars (market capture or transfer of market). Innovation and not imitation.

I'm glad you said "nothing personal" I don't want to give you that impression either. From what I remember of anyones posts, I remember yours ringing true often. That's a great impression to make

You know your business, and you're making money, so something right is being done, I'm sure it could be improved too. I've just been forced by an outside entity recently to question the industry, what I want, what my place is, what it needs, what it could be, what I have to offer. I came up with an idea outside adult that I can implement, but first I'm testing it in adult. It's been 6 weeks of 12-14 hour days, and I have a few more hard weeks ahead. I talked to a biller and they are very excited. I hired a programmer I trust, and they are very excited ( not just because they got paid

, I hope ). I wont be able, and have no interest in, doing it all myself, so I'm working at reaching out and being a littl e more trusting ( not my strong point )

Based on your last post there are things you deal with that I didn't consider. I'm just seeing an alternative coming up that breaks some of the constraints that I perceive many people in your position have, and that people in my position have. The future is an exciting place and I love that so many people are trying to find solutions to problems here and not just accepting what they are dealt

Paul Markham · 07-13-2015, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Truth

1) I don't need to be an affiliate I can have uploaders provide stolen content

2) I'll be a good guy and just make money off of "ad platforms", redirects, x-sales, upsells so surfers can see stolen content in HD,

3) Oops, I promised surfers free porn, but I'm redirecting them, I'm giving them ads, I'm upselling and cross selling.

4) Oh no! Surfers are blocking my ads and redirects, they aren't upselling or cross selling. They know I don't own the content now.

5) I must find a way to continue redirecting, serving ads, upselling & cross selling.

6) If they use an ad blocker I'll give them alternate low quality content, I'll let them know that I know they are avoiding my spammy ads. I'll disable certain functions of the site soon, yes, that will get them to click and pay, one way or another. I deserve this. I worked hard to steal all of this. I did it because I could. I'll fuck with ad blocker surfers because and content producers because I can. I own them. All of them are mine

Online's port answer to adapt or die. Piss off more surfers.

Paul Markham · 07-13-2015, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123

It is not just about business model. Branding is not business model, it is part of marketing. Of course ads are just one tool in branding tool box, but anyways, quite significant one.

I am saying that I can do what ever (legal stuff) I want regarding providing something for others. I can demand something in return, it is totally legal. They make their decisions, I make mine. One example of this is newspapers giving up free news stories in their websites, partially or totally and selling subscriptions to their sites. They can demand something in return, not just give up when their ad revenue declines. This doesn't sound like so bad-ass move in porn (as you do it already), but in today's news media it is.

How do you feel about Muslims? ISIS has done a lot to brand them. Extreme but showa how people link their thinking.

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Originally Posted by aka123

Who has this kind of ad hate anyways? "An ad??!!! I fucking hate that company that is advertised in that banner."

It is anyways total oversimplification that people using ad blockers wouldn't want to see ads at all or would have very negative approach towards ads. Especially regarding end results. You know; many people have long been "These fucking TV ads, so much ads.. blaa.. blaa..." but they still buy things based on seeing ads. Why? Because that how they get to know the products in the first place. Or being displayed in the store (advertising). Even when he reads some social media post about it, the guy posting about it probably hasn't get to know the product by some telepathic way. No, he has first seen an ad about it or seen it in the store.

It's another step on the road of pissing off the customers.

What you're not addressing is the possible upside. Ad blockers become so successful, Tubes are no longer profitable. Because webcams, penis pills and dating sites, can't subsidise them to get their 20,000,000 visitors a day. They will have advertise elsewhere. Or pay more for advertising.

We have become a tiny industry because of the emphasis on giving away porn in pursuit to place ads. Even a banner on an FHG is an "ad".

But they converted an average of 1-300 on clicks. And every time they gave away more porn to get more traffic. The ratio got worse every time.

A smart move would be sites giving them away for free. Think of the consequences.

Paul Markham · 07-13-2015, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I need 200K new visitors inbound a day! Not a few hundred -- I have 6,000 ''mouths to feed.'' Unless I hold their little hands, and lead the way, the models won't/don't know how to use their (or their screen-name's) social media accounts to make money. If a model generates her own conversion she gets an additional 20% on all of that customers purchases for every/all model(s) he chooses to spend on -- the money is there! But you have to take the initiative.

The models and studios depend on the website's customers and the site's advertising budget. You would think for an extra 20% they would get organised .. but its easier to split-cam and scrape their privates from several sites.

The pre recorded porn business with it's models, studios and sites. Need to not have their product given away on sites that sell ads.

You're arguing for your side of the business, ruining the other side. Which is fine. You'll not get sympathy from those who rely on prerecorded porn sales.

aka123 · 07-13-2015, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How do you feel about Muslims? ISIS has done a lot to brand them. Extreme but showa how people link their thinking.

It's another step on the road of pissing off the customers.

What you're not addressing is the possible upside. Ad blockers become so successful, Tubes are no longer profitable. Because webcams, penis pills and dating sites, can't subsidise them to get their 20,000,000 visitors a day. They will have advertise elsewhere. Or pay more for advertising.

We have become a tiny industry because of the emphasis on giving away porn in pursuit to place ads. Even a banner on an FHG is an "ad".

But they converted an average of 1-300 on clicks. And every time they gave away more porn to get more traffic. The ratio got worse every time.

A smart move would be sites giving them away for free. Think of the consequences.

ISIS doesn't brand muslims, it brands itself and very successfully. It has got big amount of recruits and money. Anyways, I am not in the target audience, you neither (I think). There are target audiences in branding, you know.

I don't know about this tube issue, I work in mainstream. Porn is just a sideshow for me. There are much bigger things in stake in here than some tubes. I don't even agree that the amount of free porn has increased because of the pursuit to place more ads. Tubes use free porn and they monetize it with whatever way that is most profitable. In this case it is probably ads. I don't know is this very good English translation, but tube is business model and ads monetizing (earning) model. The tube business model still exists without ads.

aka123 · 07-13-2015, 02:31 AM

About ISIS branding.

"Islamic State?s social media and video efforts have stepped up, part of a region-wide effort to sign up youths to fight take up the black flag. RFE/RL reports"

Isis launches Russian-language propaganda channel | World news | The Guardian

Barry-xlovecam · 07-13-2015, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The pre recorded porn business with it's models, studios and sites. Need to not have their product given away on sites that sell ads.

You're arguing for your side of the business, ruining the other side. Which is fine. You'll not get sympathy from those who rely on prerecorded porn sales.

I never let my customers have copies of the content -- case closed. Lock the fuckin' door! And I am not looking for sympathy -- pass the crying towel ... I am looking for customers were they are NOW not 10 years ago.

We advertise where the traffic is. If every tube-enemy of yours was closed I would advertise were the traffic is.

Don't take it ''personal.'' You can have your ''agenda'' but when you need 200M visitors a day (98.00+% of bulk ads bounce) so 182,000 of the 200,000 tube site users are crap -- they are just buying FREE today -- you are not losing anything but your sanity -- those surfers would not buy a paysite's content anyway.

I don't have an agenda -- you go where the traffic is. Where else can I get the 18,000 visitors a day? Tell me I AM LISTENING (chirp-chirp). Move the traffic and I will buy it there NO PROBLEM.

The best traffic, and I pay a lot for it, is from adwords followed by the ad networks' non-tube offerings. Tubes are 1:50,000 new conversions or worse -- so 49,000 were useless POS anyway.

If the ad target's ad blocker didn't hide the ad and I paid for the click? -- that was the subject of this thread -- STICK TO IT. So, if you want to complain about the $2,000 you spent last month and how the ad-blocker affected you by all means go ahead and bitch you have paid and have the right to bitch ... You can't, you are not an active player anymore, for lots of reasons, including your bad health (happens to us all at some point Paul).

So, spare me the crying towel over tubes and the pay-sites demise. It was the perfect storm and IMHO: Bailing water with a leaky bucket will not keep the Porn-ship afloat forever. Hate the message if you want but that is the reality.

Someone start a pornflix platform that is not early VOD bullshit -- like $5.99/mo unlimited and get traffic that is qualified and sell ads -- even a 'hulu' like service free and subscription model with ads. I would love to buy some ad referral from visitors with payment options -- not 98.00+% deadbeat bounces. A new innovation in traffic generation is welcome. Again and again: If the traffic is there that benefits us we will buy it.

My competitors are not concerned when they buy ads to their websites in adwords using our trademark names. We could litigate like ... isn't that trademark theft?

Markul · 07-14-2015, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I never let my customers have copies of the content -- case closed. Lock the fuckin' door! And I am not looking for sympathy -- pass the crying towel ... I am looking for customers were they are NOW not 10 years ago.

We advertise where the traffic is. If every tube-enemy of yours was closed I would advertise were the traffic is.

Don't take it ''personal.'' You can have your ''agenda'' but when you need 200M visitors a day (98.00+% of bulk ads bounce) so 182,000 of the 200,000 tube site users are crap -- they are just buying FREE today -- you are not losing anything but your sanity -- those surfers would not buy a paysite's content anyway.

I don't have an agenda -- you go where the traffic is. Where else can I get the 18,000 visitors a day? Tell me I AM LISTENING (chirp-chirp). Move the traffic and I will buy it there NO PROBLEM.

The best traffic, and I pay a lot for it, is from adwords followed by the ad networks' non-tube offerings. Tubes are 1:50,000 new conversions or worse -- so 49,000 were useless POS anyway.

If the ad target's ad blocker didn't hide the ad and I paid for the click? -- that was the subject of this thread -- STICK TO IT. So, if you want to complain about the $2,000 you spent last month and how the ad-blocker affected you by all means go ahead and bitch you have paid and have the right to bitch ... You can't, you are not an active player anymore, for lots of reasons, including your bad health (happens to us all at some point Paul).

So, spare me the crying towel over tubes and the pay-sites demise. It was the perfect storm and IMHO: Bailing water with a leaky bucket will not keep the Porn-ship afloat forever. Hate the message if you want but that is the reality.

Someone start a pornflix platform that is not early VOD bullshit -- like $5.99/mo unlimited and get traffic that is qualified and sell ads -- even a 'hulu' like service free and subscription model with ads. I would love to buy some ad referral from visitors with payment options -- not 98.00+% deadbeat bounces. A new innovation in traffic generation is welcome. Again and again: If the traffic is there that benefits us we will buy it.

My competitors are not concerned when they buy ads to their websites in adwords using our trademark names. We could litigate like ... isn't that trademark theft?

Well put!!!

We can't stop the tubes or the "tube model", please Paul - you're (STILL!) talking in circles about this. It's amazing. Please move on

Barry-xlovecam · 07-14-2015, 10:18 AM

I had to install Ad Block Pro on this Chrome install.

Why? Because of all the news sites auto starting the fuckin' videos and blasting my face off!

If you want your ads seen you have to proactive about how you serve them

GFY is "collateral damage" the ads are filtered out because of the way they are served. It also loads a lot faster because there is no multiple DNS lookups required:

Quote:

I often have this issue with our coders and developers -- they don't consider all the ramifications of their actions and take the easiest path for their coding and API control needs

Markul · 07-14-2015, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I had to install Ad Block Pro on this Chrome install.

Why? Because of all the news sites auto starting the fuckin' videos and blasting my face off!

If you want your ads seen you have to proactive about how you serve them

GFY is "collateral damage" the ads are filtered out because of the way they are served. It also loads a lot faster because there is no multiple DNS lookups required:

I often have this issue with our coders and developers -- they don't consider all the ramifications of their actions and take the easiest path for their coding and API control needs

It is super easy to circumvent those ad-blockers actually, so the results we see so far are very positive. As long as the ads presented to the ad-blocked user is relevant and of very high quality, they will click it

Paul Markham · 07-14-2015, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aka123

ISIS doesn't brand muslims, it brands itself and very successfully. It has got big amount of recruits and money. Anyways, I am not in the target audience, you neither (I think). There are target audiences in branding, you know.

I don't know about this tube issue, I work in mainstream. Porn is just a sideshow for me. There are much bigger things in stake in here than some tubes. I don't even agree that the amount of free porn has increased because of the pursuit to place more ads. Tubes use free porn and they monetize it with whatever way that is most profitable. In this case it is probably ads. I don't know is this very good English translation, but tube is business model and ads monetizing (earning) model. The tube business model still exists without ads.

It was just an example of how Branding can present a negative image.

Ad sales supporting porn tubes has damaged pre recorded porn. I wonder if the Tube business can survive in it's present form, time will tell.

For businesses reliant on sites that survive via ad sales, which is a huge chunk of business. If it harms their profit margins, ads disappear. People will need to adapt. Thinking about ways to get around ad blockers is pointless, the ad blockers will up their game.

If ad blockers become a factor that effects the profit margins, people will need to change their game. Maybe a text link like Adwords, maybe blogs will rise again, it's all part of evolving and staying ahead of the game.

Barry will advertise where the traffic is, in a form that can't be blocked.

Being in business means constantly evolving and adapting. Trying to block ad blockers, is a retro step.

aka123 · 07-14-2015, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It was just an example of how Branding can present a negative image.

Ad sales supporting porn tubes has damaged pre recorded porn. I wonder if the Tube business can survive in it's present form, time will tell.

For businesses reliant on sites that survive via ad sales, which is a huge chunk of business. If it harms their profit margins, ads disappear. People will need to adapt. Thinking about ways to get around ad blockers is pointless, the ad blockers will up their game.

If ad blockers become a factor that effects the profit margins, people will need to change their game. Maybe a text link like Adwords, maybe blogs will rise again, it's all part of evolving and staying ahead of the game.

Barry will advertise where the traffic is, in a form that can't be blocked.

Being in business means constantly evolving and adapting. Trying to block ad blockers, is a retro step.

You still think "porn minded". Let's assume that you have reputable media, not just some mfa shit that you have thrown across internet. It is not about evolving or staying ahead; it is about monetizing (as we talk about monetizing). I don't really see any difference if you succeed in it by blocking ad blockers, throwing in affiliate links, selling subscriptions, asking donations, or whatever.

The evolving and staying ahead part is how you develop the media you posses. That is how non-mfa thinking goes. And when you have that reputable media, you are not just; "Let's give up, how about throwing 100 mfa blogs instead?" If blocking ad blockers saves the day, I see nothing wrong in it.

Markul · 07-14-2015, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Being in business means constantly evolving and adapting. Trying to block ad blockers, is a retro step.

explain again please, how you are "in business" please? Oh wait....

Your mind is black and white Paul, just because one step is taken in one area does not mean everything else has gone stale - but I can see how you weren't able to "evolve and staying ahead" with that mentality of yours. No offence but you are still raging against tubes at every twist and turn you can

We are debating how to do something about ad-blocked surfers, not if it's a step back on the evolutionary ladder on the publisher business on the internet - that's a very different debate. Fact is, many people start using ad-blockers either because of annoying ads that blast sound at them or because they come pre-installed. Not because they hate all ads. Kinda like you not liking one ad and swapping the channel on the TV when it comes on, doesn't equal you swapping the channel every time an ad comes on...

I know you want the world to be super simple and one sided, but it's not.

So just in case you totally missed the point (again) Paul, let em re-iterate that this thread is NOT about:

1. If the ad-driven website a viable business method.
2. If tubes are hurting the industry.
3. If tubes are a thing of the future or the past.
4. If tubes are to blame for less content being produced or more content being produced.
5. If it is smart, to show clips longer than 2-3 minutes on tubes.
6. If it's okay for tubes to even show ads.

We ARE on the other hand, talking about:

A. How to monetize the between 20-40% of surfers that land on your website that blocks most if not all ads.
B. How to best circumvent those ad-blockers in a way that will piss off the surfer least.... leading to:
C. How to best monetize the ad-zones for ad-blocked traffic

To everyone else:

I'll probably have some numbers ready by next week btw, comparing ad-blocked traffic with regular traffic in terms of CTR and sales. It's not representative for all traffic world wide, but it's a fun experiment in any case

nextri · 07-14-2015, 11:51 PM

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Markul · 07-15-2015, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nextri

You can use Adblock Redirect from PlugRush. Only ad network that lets you monetize users with adblock installed!

True

NaughtyAce · 07-15-2015, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markul

Anyone that runs a website with any decent amount of traffic will know, that ad blockers is on the rise. No doubt about it, you can read this article from 2013 and see that now, two years later, their estimates for growth is pretty much spot on. Our findings is that at least 40% of the visitors are using ad blockers of some sort and that number is growing. That is a LOT of revenue that's just lost....And if the trend continues, ad blockers will be in and enabled on almost every browser by the year 2018.

Today a lot of webmasters rely on selling ads, so if you are one of them the question stands:

What are you doing about users blocking your ads? Education? Intrusion? Redirection? Nothing?

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Markul · 12-05-2015, 02:36 AM

The war rages on:
Yahoo Mail Blocks Users Who Run Ad Blockers - Fortune

An A/B test prevented people from accessing email on their Yahoo Mail accounts because they were using ad blocking software.

Some people who logged into their Yahoo Mail accounts last week were greeted with an ultimatum: ?Please disable Ad Blocker to continue using Yahoo Mail.? These users were unable to access their email accounts until they turned off their ad blockers or found a workaround for the problem.

The message is not a new policy, but was part of a trial, a Yahoo spokesman told Engadget over the weekend. A ?small number? of Yahoo Mail users were prevented from accessing their email accounts because Yahoo detected they had an ad blocker installed on their computer. The message was most likely a result from an A/B test, a technique in which technology companies push changes to a small number of people to gauge user reaction before deploying them widely.

Affected users complained about the test on the Adblock Plus forums. Yahoo?s mail service is the eighth most-used email client, behind Google GOOG 1.90% Gmail, Microsoft MSFT 3.16% Outlook, and the built-in mail clients on iPhone and Android. After news of Yahoo?s trial spread online, several Yahoo Mail users publicly declared on social media they planned to cease using Yahoo?s email service.

The trial is part of a growing trend: Websites that rely on advertising revenue are increasingly locking out users if they choose to use an ad blocker. Yahoo YHOO 1.66% joins The Washington Post and Hulu as part of the growing list of websites that block users with ad blockers. Others, including NFL team sites, The Guardian, and The Atlantic also detect ad blockers, but instead merely ask visitors to donate the site or turn their ad blockers off.

Although only 16% of web users in the United States block ads according to one estimate, the topic remains a source of anxiety for businesses and individuals who make money on the web. Using a blocker on ad-supported websites has been compared to eating at a restaurant without paying. Fortune?s Mathew Ingram has argued that while using an ad blocker might be a ?rational response? to invasive online ads, it?s also a ?scorched-earth approach? that puts publishers at risk.

Most ad-blockers are installed on desktop computers, so as more people began to use mobile browsers it looked like ad-blocker use might fall off. But earlier this year mobile Safari, the default browser on the iPhone, gained the ability to install third-party ad-blockers, a feature Apple APPL 0.00% calls ?content blocking.? One study expects the online ad-industry could lose $1 billion per year due to mobile ad-blocking.

Yahoo?s primary revenue stream is advertising, which means that it is among the companies with the most to lose when its users opt for ad-blocking software. That?s one of the reasons why Yahoo decided to trial blocking ad blockers, and one reason it may still go ahead and implement its new change more widely, despite complaints.

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07-08-2015, 01:45 PM	#55
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07-09-2015, 12:58 AM	#58
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	This is a new world, ad blockers, spam filters are all part of it. And they will become more common, better at blocking and make your jobs harder. Adapt of die. It's your turn now to be the cool ones and adapt. Tube sites might suffer, imagine a world where the cost of delivering 30,000 free views/wanks to get a sale can't be paid for by ad sales. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

07-09-2015, 02:15 AM	#60
aka123 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: 64 00 N, 26 00 E Posts: 4,450	This conversation is pretty funny as everybody talks about advertising something, yet there is lot of ad bashing. In other words, there are still ads and advertising, just the format is different. Or if you aren't selling anything in any way, you are giving something for free. So, lets make this ad blocking as a real ad blocking. Every ad, advertising, etc. is blocked by sophisticated software. For example no offers about subscription, webshops are blank, etc. But for real, people want to see advertising and ads. The issue is more like that they want to be more in control; for example they expect and want to see relevant advertising about iPhone when they google about it (like webshops selling it). For any site to succeed financially there has to be ads and advertising. If nothing else, advertising and ads about making donation. See my sig. It is an ad. __________________

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07-11-2015, 07:45 AM	#71
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	We buy bulk ads at a reduced volume price and a customer we convert will average spend over $100 LOL. So, its not that bad of a deal for us even at a 1:30,000 first time conversion rate. It would be a lot more cost effective if we paid 10X the price and got a 1:1,000 first time conversion rate. 1.) People will block ads 2.) People will close pop-ups/unders and DHTML 3.) Most 99.90%+ will not click banners This advertising in general is ''top of mind branding.'' When the person you are trying to brand your name or product with never sees your brand -- then your money is just wasted on them. Adult brands are not PC for social media really. You will have little result with radio ads. We have had some favorable results with cable (adult channel advertising). 40% to 50% +- of our sales have an DirectAccess origin -- type-ins. So the branding value in ads is substantial. Let's face it, people don't all gather on Facebook to have a circle jerk together I never understand why there is not a ''porn social media" for us ''pervs.'' If this was a subscription site, for $4.99 a month, all of the users would have prequalified with payment cards and the site owner could make a bundle selling ads to his users that pay Would it be worth offering some real full length content or cam exhibitions-specials live to a porn media audience that is payment card verified? Yeah, to some extent you are right -- you have to think out of the box. If someone does something serious in this direction we will rent a ''booth.''

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07-12-2015, 08:28 AM	#79
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	What branding? A person who doesn't want to see an advert, will see it as a negative towards that brand. How many cam sites have been made the villain for there awful popups on tube sites Why do you think cam sites are taking in near 1 billion dollars a year? Surfers know our fuckin' names. There is no such thing as bad publicity they say. The Surfers are looking for free content on tubes so what the fuck do I care? I made them cry boo-hoo -- tough world the free porn word has become. That is why the conversion rate is so low and why we pay a relatively low rate compared to the small traffic buyers. If you cannot buy enough traffic to have the numbers on your side -- stay out of the game -- you will lose. You don't know what you are talking about. I doubt you have ever spent more that $1000 a day on internet ad network ads.

07-12-2015, 09:19 AM	#80
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07-12-2015, 09:46 AM	#81
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	The shotgun effect works in advertising and you advertise were the traffic is I am media neutral -- where the ROMI is: the volume branding and conversions will always win out. If I could buy ads on Facebook for what they are worth -- (remember ROMI?) I would. Facebook is losing our ad revenue by excluding ''adult'' they have bigger fish to fry and it is to their benefit to exclude us. So, when they are finished at Facebook where do they go to Fap? To a freemuim operation like a tube or some freemium cam site where my ads would not be accepted. .05%( or a lot less?) head for a paysite or a PPV cam site. How the hell do you think they got there?

07-12-2015, 10:02 AM	#82
Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,229	Facebook lets me create semi adult pages and market them via paid post boosts etc. Facebook surfers, of all surfers, are most immune to ads. Facebook adapts, by paid boosting of posts. Been like this for a few years now. Adult needs to adapt. Analyze your surfing experience while on FB with an ad blocker on, that's the key. Very simple. Tumblr, same thing.

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Markul Likes Pie Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The land that liberated porn Posts: 12,401	The war rages on: Yahoo Mail Blocks Users Who Run Ad Blockers - Fortune An A/B test prevented people from accessing email on their Yahoo Mail accounts because they were using ad blocking software. Some people who logged into their Yahoo Mail accounts last week were greeted with an ultimatum: ?Please disable Ad Blocker to continue using Yahoo Mail.? These users were unable to access their email accounts until they turned off their ad blockers or found a workaround for the problem. The message is not a new policy, but was part of a trial, a Yahoo spokesman told Engadget over the weekend. A ?small number? of Yahoo Mail users were prevented from accessing their email accounts because Yahoo detected they had an ad blocker installed on their computer. The message was most likely a result from an A/B test, a technique in which technology companies push changes to a small number of people to gauge user reaction before deploying them widely. Affected users complained about the test on the Adblock Plus forums. Yahoo?s mail service is the eighth most-used email client, behind Google GOOG 1.90% Gmail, Microsoft MSFT 3.16% Outlook, and the built-in mail clients on iPhone and Android. After news of Yahoo?s trial spread online, several Yahoo Mail users publicly declared on social media they planned to cease using Yahoo?s email service. The trial is part of a growing trend: Websites that rely on advertising revenue are increasingly locking out users if they choose to use an ad blocker. Yahoo YHOO 1.66% joins The Washington Post and Hulu as part of the growing list of websites that block users with ad blockers. Others, including NFL team sites, The Guardian, and The Atlantic also detect ad blockers, but instead merely ask visitors to donate the site or turn their ad blockers off. Although only 16% of web users in the United States block ads according to one estimate, the topic remains a source of anxiety for businesses and individuals who make money on the web. Using a blocker on ad-supported websites has been compared to eating at a restaurant without paying. Fortune?s Mathew Ingram has argued that while using an ad blocker might be a ?rational response? to invasive online ads, it?s also a ?scorched-earth approach? that puts publishers at risk. Most ad-blockers are installed on desktop computers, so as more people began to use mobile browsers it looked like ad-blocker use might fall off. But earlier this year mobile Safari, the default browser on the iPhone, gained the ability to install third-party ad-blockers, a feature Apple APPL 0.00% calls ?content blocking.? One study expects the online ad-industry could lose $1 billion per year due to mobile ad-blocking. Yahoo?s primary revenue stream is advertising, which means that it is among the companies with the most to lose when its users opt for ad-blocking software. That?s one of the reasons why Yahoo decided to trial blocking ad blockers, and one reason it may still go ahead and implement its new change more widely, despite complaints.