crockett

This should give you an idea of how bat shit crazy and extreme the Right is getting. The Republican Party of Arizona has officially censured John McCain for being too liberal... LoL how more fucked can the Republican Party get when they censure their former top presidential candidate because they say he is too liberal..

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...234689&ft=1&f=

http://www.salon.com/2014/01/25/ariz...iberal_record/

Robbie

The Democrat Party ran Joe Lieberman (Al Gore's running mate in 2000) completely out of the party for being too "conservative"

That is how "bat shit crazy" and "extreme" the Dems can be as well.

Pretty much in either part there is no room for dissent. Maybe that's a good thing?

Would you accept a very conservative Democrat? I don't think so.
And I don't think Republicans accept a very liberal Republican.

The country is divided right now between people who believe the govt. should be big and in control...and those that think the govt. should be smaller and less obtrusive.

And then when you throw in the social issues...it really messes up both sides.
For instance, I'm fiscally conservative (like a Republican)...but extremely socially liberal (far more than any Democrat).

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mineistaken

Its funny how its only republican bashers on GFY that make fools of themselves in this exact manner you just exposed (bashing something that happens in every party, yet they make a tone as if it only happens within republicans).

There are 3 or 4 people exactly like that on GFY

Robbie

I've never understood how they can post like that and not see their own incredible bias...while at the same time accusing OTHERS of being biased.

Politics, I guess that's why it's best to never discuss it.

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crockett

Lieberman wasn't kicked out of the Democratic Party, he became alienated due to his support for the Iraq War and he lost the nomination by the Democrat senate seat to someone that was anti war. He was also supporting one of the guys behind the Swift Boat Veterans to be a diplomat. He burned his bridges but he wasn't censured or kicked out he just wasn't nominated by the Democratic Party. The talk of kicking him out was mostly media hoopla. Hell he was vetted by John McCain to be his running mate but McCain got scared because he would have lost support from many Republicans.

Lieberman committed party suicide by his actions and became a independent after he got pissed off from losing the senate nomination but he was never actually kicked out.

These guys in Arizona however actually voted to censure McCain. Even the party whip called them whacky..

Robbie

crockett that is just more excuses...and bullshit.

Lieberman wasn't the only Dem supporting the Iraq War. MOST of them did. Including John Kerry and Hillary Clinton.

Bro, you are trying to re-write history.

When the reality is that you are just so pro-Democrat that you refuse to see the truth when it's presented to you.

Lieberman was run out of the Democrat party like a dog. He didn't get "pissed off" about his election to the Senate. He got "primaried" by the Democrat Party.

The same exact thing that Democrats are screaming about the Tea Party doing to "liberal" Republicans.

And Lieberman PROVED he was the most popular candidate by going Independent and WINNING the election.

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crockett

Call it what you will, but he was never voted out of the Democratic Party he choose to run as a independent-democrat no one stopped him from running as a Democrat. He instead claimed his party left him as if it had evolved into something else.. Meanwhile he was the guy being vetted to be McCain's running mate and spoke at the RNC putting his support behind McCain.

Do you really think the guy was going to keep his support after that? Again he alienated himself by his actions, hell his senate election in which he ran as a independent he was the "de-facto" republican and was actually endorsed by the Republicans. Even still with this he was still a Democrat because no one "kicked" him out he was just given the cold shoulder..

Also Democrats supported the Iraq war at the beginning when they went along with Bush's lies and mis information about WMDs. As it became clear Bush had bullshitted his way to war Democrats were no longer supporting the war. So don't act as if "most" Democrats were supporting the war at that point. That's BS and you know it. Democrats were running on ending the war not supporting it by that time,

Robbie

You are COMPLETELY rewriting history.
The Democrat Senators saw the same intel that the state dept saw. And it was the same intel that the Clinton administration passed down too.
It was 100% wrong.

But the Dems went with it just like Bush did.

And they didn't run on ending the war!

Kerry didn't run on that at all. Hell, he's turned in to one of the biggest warmongers in the govt. Right alongside McCain.
He was practically frothing at the mouth to invade Syria a few months ago.

You really can't see how biased and wrong you are can you?

And in one breath you say that Liebermans views were what got him run out by his own party and primaried. And that's "okay"

In the next breath you call the Republicans "crazy" and "extreme" for doing it to McCain because of his views on policy!

NEWSFLASH: When you don't think your Senator is representing you, you get rid of him.
Thats what the Dems tried to do to Lieberman & it's what the Republicans are trying to do to McCain.

Maybe we'll get lucky and the Dems might field a less bloodthirsty candidate and the tea party & McCain will cancel each other out.

Crazy? To get rid of a bureaucrat that doesn't represent his constituents?
You are getting further and further out there in your argument

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bronco67

I think what Crockett is pointing out is how far right they are, when they think John McFuckingCain isn't conservative enough. That's like saying The Rock's neck is too skinny.

To those assholes, having a little common sense is treason. They're jerk-offs.

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crockett

Yea that's pretty much what I was saying but as usual when ever anything bad about a Republican is said the same guys show up to try and distract from the topic, because they can't stand it if we aren't bashing Obama with them while telling everyone we are independent.

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crockett

It's funny that you call me biased but you never seem to think you are.. I was showing how far from reality much of the right has become when they call McCain too liberal, but you just want to talk about who voted for the war in Iraq. Again you didn't even read what I wrote, by the time Lieberman was having issues with the democrats, the Dems had long been on the anti war wagon and you are talking about before the war was even started.

Also no everyone didn't see the same intel, they saw what the Bush admin cherry picked to present as actual fact. Please tell me you are not going to pretend that the case to to to war was not filled with bull shit. Congress voted on the cherry picked Intel that Bush admin provided. It soon became apparent that bush admin misled congress hence the reason by the next election, democrats were very much anti war...

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Vendzilla

Use to be there was conservative democrats and liberal republicans, some would say Reagan was a liberal Republican, given that he started as a Democrat and spoke up for gay rights.
Lieberman may have changed his colors to be an independent, but he did so to keep his re-election as a senator. He did lose a lot of favor with the rank and file democrats when he spoke at the 2008 RNC to endorse John McCain. He still voted with the democrat caucus.

crocket is being a useless tool as usual with this post, it literally means nothing, it clearly states that no further action is expected. This is just some of the GOP at state level want him to vote differently, I doubt that will happen.

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Robbie

You're rewriting history AGAIN.

Pres. Clinton was the one with the intelligence that said Iraq had WMD's his administration passed that on to the Bush administration.
And when our so-called "intelligence" agencies kept reporting that it was escalating after 9-11...EVERYBODY saw that same "intelligence". Including all the Democrats who were shouting "let's go to war"

I'm not biased at all about it. I'm just not gonna exaggerate everything like you are doing.

These politicians are all over YouTube proclaiming that Iraq needed to be invaded. And yet you still try to change history. THAT is bias with no sense of reality.

My GUESS is that all of them were more than happy to funnel money to their defense contractor buddies. Because every damn state in the union has a "fort" or "base" on it for some goddamn reason. And every state has a military contractor.
So every Senator and Representative has a stake in keeping out military bloated.

It happened under Bush. So I blame him (just like you). But I'm not blinded by bias. I blame every goddamn one of those crooks in Washington D.C.

And Bush is now retired and has no power at all. Just like Obama will be in a few years.

But the crooks who are really behind this...the Senators and Congressmen? They are all still there.

But you don't care. All you care about is saying that one "side" is "bad".

Pathetic.

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Robbie

Almost extinct. Just like "liberal" Republicans.

That's my point. BOTH parties are becoming "extreme" by moving away from the center.

But if you read crockett's post you would swear it's only Republicans.

The actual count of "Blue Dog" democrats in the House:
After the election of 2008 there were only 54 of them left.

After the election of 2012 there are only 15 of them left!!!

Couple of decades back they were the majority of the Democrat party.

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Vendzilla

That's why nothing is getting done in Congress.

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think about that

Vendzilla

What a fucking stupid thing to say, if they were conservative, then Obama wouldn't be president. Independents make up 40% of the US population.

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think about that

Robbie

I think he's referring to O'Reilly.

O'Reilly always calls himself "independent". I don't think it's because he's "ashamed"
I think it's because he likes to think he's independent.

But I'd say that O'Reilly definitely pulls the lever for "Republican" when he votes.

Not a big deal. Anderson Cooper, Wolf Blitzer, Ed Shulz, Rachel Maddow....does anyone think that they ever vote anything BUT Democrat?

That's just the way it is.

Now amongst the general population...I do believe that most people are independent minded and tend to vote more for each individual candidate and their stance on pertinent issues.

I'm not counting the "47%" of people who strictly vote Democrat for the free stuff they get. That one is a no-brainer. But the rest of the people who actually pay taxes, I believe are more independent of political parties these days.

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12clicks

If spent as much effort working as you do bashing republicans, you might get to be here more than just nights and weekends.

The idiot left's priorities are amazing

Vendzilla

Yeah, O'Reilly is right leaning for sure. And I disagree with him a lot.

And I agree with you that in general, people are in the middle. I have both conservative views and liberal views.
I fell out of favor with the GOP during Bush jr years. I saw no reason to go into Iraq and we should not have stayed in Afghanistan as long as we did. There was no reason, but ALL or politicians wanted to go, then were against it later. I remember the Soviet Union going in there and being turned back, just to have the country fall back into the other hands. Exactly what will happen when pull the last of our troops out this time, nothing changes....

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think about that

crockett

It's an example of more to come. The reason they censured him was because he and Paul Ryan finally gave in on the budget issue and didn't allow it to continue. The tea baggers are now striking back at him for that, this was just their first opportunity. Ryan will be in their cross hairs as well, the censure is only meaningless if you think there isn't more to come..

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crockett

You're not biased at all.. Now there is a shocker... Tell me something if you are so unbiased how come every time there is a anti Republican topic you are always one of the first to start switching it to anti democrat. Meanwhile when it's a anti Democratic topic you always still bat for the right.

In fact in this topic you didn't even comment on the topic you went straight for the hey the Dems did it too and you still haven't even commented on what the topic is about. You have called me bias several times now.. Yet show me one time when you have called Vendillza biased for one of his lovely topics, show me one time that you came in guns a flying to one of his Democrats do everything wrong topics where you came in called him biased and showed him the Republicans have done the same..

You never do that because you are as biased as they come.

Vendzilla

History Lesson for you since you are not listening

Expelled Representives
Republicans 0
Democrats 5


Censured Representives
Republican 6
Democrats 15

Reprimanded Representives
Republican 3
Democrats 7

Expelled Senators, last one happened in 1862
Republicans 0
Democrats 14

Expulsion proceedings not resulting in expulsion
Republicans 10
Democrats 6

Censured Senators
Republicans 3+ McCain
Democrats 4

The last time they expelled a senator was 1862, ( and that was supporting the south during the civil war) they will not go any further

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think about that

2MuchMark

I just love how the idiots in the GOP are now nothing more than a train-wrecked joke. The COCK brothers and other idiot republicans spend hundreds of millions of dollars trying help candidates win elections and they fail again and again. No matter how much they spend, they can never win against COMMON SENSE, TRUTH and SCIENCE. And even if one sneaks passed and gets into office, it's long before they let their inner retard out and say or do something stupid.

These tired old bastards won't even be remembered in 10 or 15 years from now.

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Vendzilla

LOL, god, really? I think you are the joke, let me explain!

Lie of the year, "if you like your insurance, you can keep it"
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-plan-keep-it/

So when do we get to see truth? That was a democrat lie BTW!!!

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think about that

Robbie

That's an easy one.

Because you and BTF3K ALWAYS exaggerate and try to make things appear as they are not.

I read your posts and I instantly, without hesitation think: "That is total bullshit".

And then I respond.

The fact that you think I'm ONLY anti-Democrat is just further evidence of your own bias.

ANYTHING that doesn't agree 100% with you and the Democrat party line and talking points is instantly "pro-Republican".

I think your arguments are empty. Your ideas are wrong. And the things you espouse have never and will never work.

It's nothing personal at all by the way. It's just shocking to me how you and many other intelligent people are so blinded by party loyalty (and why I don't know...the Democrats have done nothing for you or your family) that you can't take every case scenario and treat it individually.

From what I've seen you post...Pres. Obama and the Democrat Party have done NOTHING wrong ever.
And George Bush and the Republican Party have done NOTHING right ever.

THAT is biased.

My posts are just what I see with my own two eyes.
In my OPINION, Pres. Obama is a horrible leader. He is unable to compromise in any way, shape, or form.

He seems to follow the lead of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi in every fiscal decision that he makes.

Obviously he had NO experience in the real world and wasn't prepared for the job.

When I voted for him in 2008 that was one of the things that I LIKED about him. I figured he might not be a typical politician. But he is.

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Vendzilla

I'm Anti democrat as well, I wonder what these guys are going to think when a republican gets into office and we start bashing what they are doing?

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think about that

bronco67

I just have to say...it really looks like you're a Republican. If you're so independent, then why do you always pretty much align with conservative thinking in everything you write?

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bronco67

This right here proves my above post. This kind of idea based on a FOX news talking point is the bread and butter of conservatives' phony argument tactics.

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Vendzilla

Conservative and Republican are two different things

Where, I don't understanding what you are trying to say, maybe talk on one point and say why and what it has to do with just the talking points are on Fox, I mean you are truly saying nothing here. Show where it's wrong! You say phony argument tactics, which one?

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think about that

2MuchMark

Lol!! You've got it all figured out.

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crockett

If you notice all the right wingers here on gfy pretty much circle jerk with each other in all these topics. Meanwhile anytime someone dares to start a topic about Republicans doing something stupid then holy hell it's oh you are so stupid or biased ect..ect..

They will bitch endlessly about Obama or this or that democrat, meanwhile they are supporting a party that thinks it's ok to teach kids in school that Jesus rode dinosaurs and produces candidates like Sarah Palin, Michele Bachman and Rand Paul and who was their latest great white Cuban hope? Just looking at what the Republican Party has become is joke enough.. LoL

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Vendzilla

I figured out you just blew it out your ass saying the republicans lie.

Here's the truth, they all lie!

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think about that

Vendzilla

Wow, you must have real issues. You bring up useless news then get butt hurt over it when you are told just how useless it is?

You ignore everything anyone brings up against what you are trying to stand for, then just call us right wingers because we are not sheeple and agree with you!!!

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think about that

crockett

What did this topic have to do with any democrat much less Obama before you came into it, ignored the subject matter and instantly went into oh the democrats do it too. You are just as biased as you say I am..

Let me ask you a question. If a political party hired lawyers to challenge your right to vote and staffed them at the polling offices on Election Day and they in fact challenged your right to vote then had it thrown out, would you not have a gripe with that party?

I'll give you a news flash, that happened to me in 2000 and I saw first hand how the Republican party stole the election in Florida. My vote was thrown in the trash and I watched 5 other people also having their right to vote challenged while I sat there filling out a provisional ballot. They did the same thing across the state to thousands of people. Republicans stole that election and they threw my vote away and thousands of others.

I'm no where near as pro Democrat as I am anti Republican and I have damn good reason to be that way. If the same thing happened to you, you would also hate the Republican Party. You want to know what my grave crime was that cost me my right to vote? I moved with-in 30 days of the election, that was the reason my right to vote was challenged and why my vote was thrown in the trash.

As far as I'm concerned the Republican Party will be the death of this country if they get back into power. Bush came close enough to destroying it, as it was, you might as well be pissing on the constitution if you vote republican as far as I'm concerned because that's exactly what they have done. They can't win elections anymore because they are so anti everything but rich white people that they try to steal them.

crockett

You are telling me I bring up useless news.. You post the same I hate Obama topic every other day. What's your excuse? Besides needing to see a shrink of course..

Vendzilla

How can you blame the republican party for that? Were you a republican at the time?

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2MuchMark

Afraid of black people?

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Vendzilla

I don't bring up hate Obama everyday, I bring up Obama fail everyday, big difference!

Seen his poll numbers?

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think about that

Robbie

Uh, I guess you didn't read my post that you just quoted.

But yeah...call me a Republican. I'm pro-choice, anti drug-war, I believe ALL the troops should come home from all over the world, etc., etc.

You don't even seem to understand what a true liberal is. Not surprising these days it seems.

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crockett

Did you not read? It wasn't Democrats with lawyers at the polling offices, challenging peoples right to vote it was Republicans.

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Robbie

You know EXACTLY why I posted what I did.

YOU were insinuating that since the Republican Party was going after John McCain that they were "crazy" and "extreme".

I pointed out that the Democrats do the same thing. It's pretty common.

You tried to lie and deceive. I pointed out the truth.

And like most times with extreme people who are tied to a party... if the truth doesn't fit your agenda and talking points, then I MUST be a Republican stooge.

As I said before...I think you are an otherwise intelligent guy.
But your arguments are childish, pathetic, and you are wearing blinders because you call one party "extreme" and "crazy" for doing EXACTLY what the other party does all the time as well.

This is like arguing with a fence post.

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think about that

crockett

How is it lying and deceiving for me to use "my opinion" to call them crazy? I guess it's only ok for you to have an opinion? Also I've never said there aren't extremist on the left. It's just they aren't running the Democratic Party like the extremist on the right are doing. Do you really not see a difference in Republicans running Tea Party loonies for the Vice President as with Sarah Palin verses At least a fairly intelligent person like Joe Biden? By all means I don't think Biden is perfect but do paired to what the right has offended up he's like Stephen Hawkins..

Robbie

I agree 100% that Florida was stolen and your vote was useless.

And yet...even though Bush was HATED over that 2000 election by the Democrats...he somehow was able to charm, coerce, and convince all of your Democrat heros in the Senate and Congress to vote "yes" on damn near anything he wanted.

I wonder why?

And yet...Obama can't seem to get ANYTHING done.

Amazing isn't it? And when Obama Care is failing...you posted in another thread that it was the Republican's fault for that too!

Come on man! Nobody can be as obtuse as you are pretending to be. You are totally caught up in the Democrat party and don't care what happens as long as the Dems "win".

Me? I think EVERY politician in Washington should be voted out of office.
They are ALL responsible for what is happening in this country.

You? Obama is God. Democrats are great. Republicans are evil.

Pathetic.

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Vendzilla

Well sorry you feel that way, I feel that way every time I vote because I live in California and it's a heavy liberal state, Few politicians I vote for will have the vote count, it's an imperfect system, but the republicans are not the only ones at fault here.

I would blame the people that set up the vote on that, Florida!

They still don't have their shit together

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think about that

Robbie

Because you tried to make it out like that isn't something that is common among BOTH parties.

You used it as the proof that as your thread title says "Arizona GOP riding the crazy train"

Come on man. You have got to be just trolling at this point. No way you don't see what you did.

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