Just in from AVN !!!! New HIV Case detected Moratorium Reinstated !! - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Porno Dan · 09-06-2013, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

Yup! This is lame!

This is bad. But what I find interesting most of all, is usually when shit breaks out like this all of the agent (LATATA) usually know who, what when where well before it gets released. So as to generate the quarantine list. as of now, nobody knows shit!

In this situation, nobody knows or has a clue on anything, even the people in the know. Its out and everyone is shocked and dumbfounded.

Got a working theory here. Just a Theory. So don't fry me for it.

With Weinstein, working so hard to shut us down and his personal public War with Congressman Gato, what prevents Weinstein from sending in one of his employees/patients, fellow condom supporter, with HIV from coming into one of our adult testing facilities, signing up for the PASS system and testing?

Think about it. It would way cause a moratorium, it would give Weinstein the amo he needs to run down Congressman Gato and porn.

And if we found out in fact who it is,(and we always seem to find out), and make it public, Weinstein will have the amo to shut down the testing spot for HIPPA violations in regard to patient Dr. confidentiality.

Not knowing and nobody knowing or even having a clue, is what generates my theory. No 1st generation or 2nd generation contacts yet. Not one!! This is what gets done before the press releases get done.

Just a thought guys.

Just Dave

You are very creative, perhaps you should write children's story books

pauliexray · 09-06-2013, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Yes, and let's all pretend that as the head of CET (Cutting Edge Testing), that Dr Miao has no vested financial interest in any of this.

You set up watchdog groups to oversee others. Things have a way of going wrong when the watchdogs are in charge of overseeing themselves.

ADG

ADG what? You know nothing about Dr. Miao's financial interests in cutting-edge testing. I do. He makes $0.
In fact, coincidently, Dr. Miao was my regular physician for years before he ever even got involved with helping the porn industry. Now he is retired and all he does is this advising for the porn industry. Guess how much money he makes for doing this? Again The answer: zero dollars.

[/ADGs argument and theory].

Sixto is the one With the financial interests in all this ...

epitome · 09-06-2013, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I've usually shot the AVN newcomer of the year award winner 2 years before they receive the award. what AVN and the media put out sometimes has little relationship to the reality

Exactly. Which is why they say "they haven't shot before" I really just hear "they haven't shot with a producer that uses PASS." I am sure that there are plenty of producers that don't use it... and they hire talent from all over, so if she did a scene with a big name a month ago... with a smaller producer outside of LA... well her "new" status doesn't mean jack.

mikesouth · 09-06-2013, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

No fucking way. They're pooling blood for tests?

Fuck.

As long as the next revelation isn't that they do it like companies for drug testing and test every nth sample.

I hit your site today and the front page reminded me of the time I liked it, before the constant Manwin nagging. You hit home runs when it comes to this stuff and tend to have more details before others.

ya gotta remember sometimes the big story is a Manwin story that cascades to another manwin story and so on, but I have been around far longer than manwin even if manwin and the fsc and diane duke all disappeared tomorrow Id keep going because theres no shortage of stuff going on...only a shortage of me so when a few manwin stories cascade into a few other manwin stories thats what I have to work on, then manwin takes a back burner to something else.....truth is I am in a position now where I have the traffic to support a lot of ad revenue but I dont have the time to sell the ads and keep the sites editorial content going....If i could bring in the ad revenue I would actually pay some people to start writing investigative stuff for me....I certainly have the trust and the traffic to potentially topple XBiz and AVN as a news source for the industry If anyone has ideas to help me or whatever I am all ears. meanwhile i will keep on doing what it is I do...if something im on doesnt interest you come back in a few days or a week something else will....
and thanks for the kind words man i try hard but im just one guy workin like a one armed wall paper hanger

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-06-2013, 07:35 PM

Is there any systematic effort underway within the industry to notify all talent about what is going on?

If not, there should be.

Furthermore, while the adult industry is undergoing this production shutdown, it would be an excellent time to ensure everyone in the industry gets better educated about HIV and STDs, and starts doing a better job at being more careful.

Are the leaders of the industry doing anything to educate the industry about what they can be doing to better ensure the health and safety of everyone within the industry, or will they simply issue a few press releases again and return everyone to business as usual as quickly as possible to start pulling in money for their companies once more?

ADG

epitome · 09-06-2013, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

ya gotta remember sometimes the big story is a Manwin story that cascades to another manwin story and so on, but I have been around far longer than manwin even if manwin and the fsc and diane duke all disappeared tomorrow Id keep going because theres no shortage of stuff going on...only a shortage of me so when a few manwin stories cascade into a few other manwin stories thats what I have to work on, then manwin takes a back burner to something else.....truth is I am in a position now where I have the traffic to support a lot of ad revenue but I dont have the time to sell the ads and keep the sites editorial content going....If i could bring in the ad revenue I would actually pay some people to start writing investigative stuff for me....I certainly have the trust and the traffic to potentially topple XBiz and AVN as a news source for the industry If anyone has ideas to help me or whatever I am all ears. meanwhile i will keep on doing what it is I do...if something im on doesnt interest you come back in a few days or a week something else will....
and thanks for the kind words man i try hard but im just one guy workin like a one armed wall paper hanger

Well there certainly hasn't been any slow news days as of late and I am sure you'll have plenty to keep busy with over the coming weeks.

Maybe talk to JuicyAds about selling ad spots? A lot of their customers are already the sponsors that would be interested in advertising on a site such as yours. Probably worth whatever cut they would ultimately take. Selling advertising can be a lot of busy work so you shouldn't focus on that when there are others that can do it for you.

Porno Dan · 09-06-2013, 07:53 PM

Even though we use condoms, and I'm pretty sure more companies will be doing the same, the last two cases caught HIV off set and no amount of condom enforcement could have prevented that.

epitome · 09-06-2013, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Is there any systematic effort underway within the industry to notify all talent about what is going on?

If not, there should be.

Furthermore, while the adult industry is undergoing this production shutdown, it would be an excellent time to ensure everyone in the industry gets better educated about HIV and STDs, and starts doing a better job at being more careful.

Are the leaders of the industry doing anything to educate the industry about what they can be doing to better ensure the health and safety of everyone within the industry, or will they simply issue a few press releases again and return everyone to business as usual as quickly as possible to start pulling in money for their companies once more?

ADG

Education = awareness and awareness would = more fear.

I doubt that the people interested in keeping condoms out of porn only to protect their bottom line would be interested in making people further aware of the risks of HIV/AIDS and other life altering STI's.

It is much easier to pretend that testing alone is adequate.

And let's just say for a second... what if it does squarely fall on the crossovers and gay4pay performers... Eradicating that problem isn't as easy as it sounds. The gay4pay guys are still going to date porn girls... and if they're shamed about it they'll just learn to keep it under wraps better. One disturbing trend on the gay side is that more and more studios are going bareback. So not only is containment impossible, the risk will become greater as more gay studios go bareback.

One way to prevent that would be straight studios paying male models more. The g4p enticement is that the guys get paid the same as a girl would in a straight video. As long as that pay gap is there many models are going to follow the money, just like the producers that refuse to go condom.

At the end of the day it all boils down to greed. Straight producers don't go condom because they are afraid of losing money. More gay producers are going condomless because it boosts their income. Models go bareback because they'd most likely be paid less if they insisted on a condom.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-06-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pauliexray

ADG what? You know nothing about Dr. Miao's financial interests in cutting-edge testing. I do. He makes $0.

In fact, coincidently, Dr. Miao was my regular physician for years before he ever even got involved with helping the porn industry. Now he is retired and all he does is this advising for the porn industry. Guess how much money he makes for doing this? Again The answer: zero dollars.

[/ADGs argument and theory].

Guess I should remind everyone that pauliexray = reggie durango fake nick:

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Originally Posted by pauliexray

Obviously ReggieDurango is banned here, but as his friend he asked me to post this in this thread (please dont ban me for posting reggie's words! lol):

"This is a true story:

Yesterday afternoon in the locker room of LA Fitness, who should I run into? None other than Michael Weinstein of the Aids Healthcare Foundation! We spoke for honestly about 30 or 40 minutes. In the locker room! I wasn't even wearing a shirt! Dudes kept coming and going oblivious to what we were talking about!

He communicated that he has a lot of resources that he can put and will continue to put into this fight. I believed him. I kept saying that the industry will definitely not stop the fight either, so the ONLY thing to do in my mind was to come up with some sort of 'settlement' or and/or agreement.

"Like porn ads for and involving condoms or something that have to go at the beginning of videos" - not a great settlement suggestion by me but I was just throwing stuff out there. "Honestly man, what is your end game? what's your ideal resolution?" I asked.

He didn't have a quantitative answer, but I kept saying that if he expected there to be a world where every free porn tube site video had condoms in it than that was not a world that has anything to do with reality, no matter how much time effort and money he puts into this fight. He listened to what I was saying. I kept insisting that the ONLY answer was to come up with some sort of "settlement" and work "with" the industry.

"Truly giving all performers the choice to use a condom would be a good start" he said. "From everyone I've talked to including all the performers I've talked to [at this moment I wanted to ask which performers he had talked to but I didn't], it's clear that performers do NOT truly have the choice and if they want to use condoms they won't get certain jobs,[etc.]" he continued to say.

I meekly replied, "I have to somewhat agree with you there, my guess would be 15 - 20 % of the producers truly give the performers the choice without it affecting anything else whatsoever."

I continued, "Anyway, let's say 100% of the LA producers somehow did adopt this true 'condom choice' policy: how would they prove it to you? How could they even contact you?"

"It's easy to get in touch with me, just call the office!" he said. "So far no one in the industry has reached out to me."

"You haven't spoken to Dr. Miao?" I asked. He shook his head. "You haven't spoken to Fabian? Steve Hirsch? Steve Orenstein?" "No one" he said,"just Mike South"!

I told him he should post on gfy, because as my father always said, all problems are problems of communication. He asked what gfy was. Now he knows! It didn't seem like he was going to post there, but it did seem that he would perhaps read it at least. If he reads my post, "Hello Mr. Weinstein, it was interesting and informative meeting you today, I will be in touch."

I think there must be some sort of solution here, I just need help thinking what it is and proposing it to this guy. AJ, ask them on gfy to please brainstorm!"

EDIT! As Reggie wrote, please brainstorm possible ideas to bring to this Weinstein:-)

Can't believe you haven't been banned yet. You muck up every thread that you enter.

ADG

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-06-2013, 09:24 PM

Just checked the Free Speech Coalition website and the FSC Army twitter pages, and no mention of the new adult industry production moratorium.

I imagine a few people may be confused if it is on again or off again, since so many are wondering if this is about Rod Daily (the newest HIV+ moratorium is reportedly not about Rod Daily). Would be nice if the industry clearinghouse had some info on their site.

Maybe they were so busy all week telling everyone to return to business as usual, that once they issued the new moratorium press release, they figured it's Friday afternoon/night, we issued a press release, it can wait.

ADG

RevSand · 09-06-2013, 09:27 PM

Its still up on http://fscpass.com/

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-06-2013, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RevSand

Its still up on http://fscpass.com/

I understand that, I was referring to the FSC site, and FSC Army sites. Not everyone uses PASS. Does the FSC only care about the people in the industry enrolled in their own PASS system?

But like I said, it's the weekend already for some people...

I'm out of here for awhile - time for a little escape from un-reality.

ADG

pauliexray · 09-06-2013, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Guess I should remind everyone that pauliexray = reggie durango fake nick:

Can't believe you haven't been banned yet. You muck up every thread that you enter.

ADG

Reggie likes Dr. Miao because I told him all about him dude.

adg seriously wtf. reggie and i will make a video of ourselves together at the same moment and post it if that is what it will take to convince thickskullz like you that we are not the same person

JFK · 09-06-2013, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

wait till yall learn about CET and "Pooling"

coming on mikesouth.com

DO TELL

RevSand · 09-06-2013, 11:58 PM

Mike South is quoting Radar Online that 12 females are quarantined. http://www.mikesouth.com/hiv/12-perf...l-female-8256/ &
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/20...s-quarantined/

signupdamnit · 09-07-2013, 04:33 AM

Making mainstream news

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-outbreak.html

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A third porn star has reportedly tested positive for HIV, adding more concern that an outbreak is underway among adult entertainment performers.

Two other performers- Cameron Bay and Rod Daily- have come forward and announced that they tested positive, but the third infectee has not revealed their name.

Radar Online reports that 'a dozen female performers have been quarantined as a result of exposure' as a result of the third case.

The latest case is renewing concerns over the health of porn stars as a result of the growing number who have confirmed sexually transmitted diseases.

Grapesoda · 09-07-2013, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome

Exactly. Which is why they say "they haven't shot before" I really just hear "they haven't shot with a producer that uses PASS." I am sure that there are plenty of producers that don't use it... and they hire talent from all over, so if she did a scene with a big name a month ago... with a smaller producer outside of LA... well her "new" status doesn't mean jack.

we all use PASS that I'm aware of, you should give some credit the agents and producers. we are really on top off it...

if a producer here, brings a model in no male talent will work with her with out a test. there will always be sideways creep-os scattered around the country and sneaking around the main areas doing shitty stuff... I'm sure you see that in your industry as well......

it's really not the clown circus you read on blogs and post here at GFY... if things continue the way they are soon porn will be completely underground like the 60's, the rest will be out of US control.... see how the testing works out then

Grapesoda · 09-07-2013, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Even though we use condoms, and I'm pretty sure more companies will be doing the same, the last two cases caught HIV off set and no amount of condom enforcement could have prevented that.

with 20,000 scenes a year being the figure tossed out by the media and 5 cases of HIV transmission since 2004...

that's what? 180,000 scenes??? with 0.002777777777777778% transmission rate. I will bet more porn actors were murdered in the last 8 years than got HIV on set. the entire condom fiasco is complete bullshit

(pls check the math)

marcop · 09-07-2013, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I will bet more porn actors were murdered in the last 8 years than got HIV on set.

Or committed suicide. Two girls out of the several hundred I've shot have offed themselves (that I'm aware of)... and at least one was murdered (that I'm aware of). Percentage-wise, that's way more than contracted HIV in the general porn population.

faxxaff · 09-07-2013, 07:16 AM

What a drama. Just imagine they would close down Amsterdam RLD each time a customer or provider would receive a positive test.

Grapesoda · 09-07-2013, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by marcop

Or committed suicide. Two girls out of the several hundred I've shot have offed themselves (that I'm aware of)... and at least one was murdered (that I'm aware of). Percentage-wise, that's way more than contracted HIV in the general porn population.

I bet more people working for AHF have contacted HIV in the last year than have contacted HIV on a porn set in the last 7

Grapesoda · 09-07-2013, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by marcop

Or committed suicide. Two girls out of the several hundred I've shot have offed themselves (that I'm aware of)... and at least one was murdered (that I'm aware of). Percentage-wise, that's way more than contracted HIV in the general porn population.

yes I know of a few models that have overdosed

JFK · 09-07-2013, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

yes I know of a few models that have overdosed

yeah, living life in the fast lane........... sex n drugs n rock n roll

Grapesoda · 09-07-2013, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JFK

yeah, living life in the fast lane........... sex n drugs n rock n roll

sex drugs and hiphop

BTW I really admire how you can stay politically correct and not come off as crackpot

JFK · 09-07-2013, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

sex drugs and hiphop

BTW I really admire how you can stay politically correct and not come off as crackpot

Thanks

Grapesoda · 09-07-2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JFK

Thanks

Robbie · 09-07-2013, 09:57 AM

Couple of things that have recently happened that nobody is discussing:

1. The FDA just approved a new one pill a day treatment for HIV. So if a person does unfortunately contract it they now just take one pill a day. Just like a girl takes a birth control pill. Much easier than say a person with high blood pressure who takes all kinds of medications.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/bu...-hiv.html?_r=0

2. There is now a drug that PREVENTS you from catching HIV. And it is also one pill a day.
Why aren't the folks in porn valley looking into the use of this drug? Future problems would be solved. Here is an article I just found that is about the drug being used to prevent syringe using drug addicts from catching HIV.
If you read down a couple of paragraphs you will see that they discuss how it already is being used to prevent HIV in high risk sexual areas (gay communities, etc.) during sexual intercourse.
I think the "powers that be" should make the industry standard to have all performers taking this one pill a day preventative AND testing.
That would be a one-two punch that would put an end to this stupidity.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/once-d...ers-6C10299110

JFK · 09-07-2013, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Couple of things that have recently happened that nobody is discussing:

1. The FDA just approved a new one pill a day treatment for HIV. So if a person does unfortunately contract it they now just take one pill a day. Just like a girl takes a birth control pill. Much easier than say a person with high blood pressure who takes all kinds of medications.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/bu...-hiv.html?_r=0

2. There is now a drug that PREVENTS you from catching HIV. And it is also one pill a day.
Why aren't the folks in porn valley looking into the use of this drug? Future problems would be solved. Here is an article I just found that is about the drug being used to prevent syringe using drug addicts from catching HIV.
If you read down a couple of paragraphs you will see that they discuss how it already is being used to prevent HIV in high risk sexual areas (gay communities, etc.) during sexual intercourse.
I think the "powers that be" should make the industry standard to have all performers taking this one pill a day preventative AND testing.
That would be a one-two punch that would put an end to this stupidity.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/once-d...ers-6C10299110

While it sounds like a great preventative measure....the article mainly speaks about intravenus drug users. Also a second artricle, says this, " if people don?t take the drugs consistently, they could develop what is known as resistant virus -- infections that defy the use of drugs. " I'm sure this could lead to its own set of problems.

Robbie · 09-07-2013, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JFK

While it sounds like a great preventative measure....the article mainly speaks about intravenus drug users. Also a second artricle, says this, " if people don’t take the drugs consistently, they could develop what is known as resistant virus -- infections that defy the use of drugs. " I'm sure this could lead to its own set of problems.

Yeah, I know that article is about intravenous drug users. Because they weren't sure if ANYTHING could stop HIV when it's directly injected into the blood. If you read through the article you'll see that they already tested, approved and are using it to stop HIV through sex. (and also as a treatment for Hepatitis)

This article was about how it seems to be about 50% effective at stopping even direct injection into the blood stream of HIV!

As for consistent use....yeah. I would think that we would all want to be taking this pill everyday! I already take a handful of vitamins every morning. Taking an HIV preventative along with it wouldn't be a big deal at all.

And most women already take a birth control pill every day and vitamins, etc...wouldn't be that big of a deal.

Of course...the drawback is the price. About a grand a month for the pills.

Thanks big pharma.

But if a group were to get together on behalf of the industry and offer a pharmacy a huge bulk of buyers...perhaps the price would go down. But keep in mind that all the "Industry Testing" clowns have taken that same concept and figured out a way to charge more than double for the testing they do now (it's $59 with an order from my doctor to Lab Corp right here in Vegas)
So they would probably figure some way to get a bulk rate and then jack it back up to pad their own pockets.

Also...I wonder if perhaps it could be covered by insurance?

The drug is marketed as "Viread" and the active ingredient is Tenofovir disoproxil fumarate (TDF or PMPA)

Grapesoda · 09-07-2013, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Couple of things that have recently happened that nobody is discussing:

1. The FDA just approved a new one pill a day treatment for HIV. So if a person does unfortunately contract it they now just take one pill a day. Just like a girl takes a birth control pill. Much easier than say a person with high blood pressure who takes all kinds of medications.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/bu...-hiv.html?_r=0

2. There is now a drug that PREVENTS you from catching HIV. And it is also one pill a day.
Why aren't the folks in porn valley looking into the use of this drug? Future problems would be solved. Here is an article I just found that is about the drug being used to prevent syringe using drug addicts from catching HIV.
If you read down a couple of paragraphs you will see that they discuss how it already is being used to prevent HIV in high risk sexual areas (gay communities, etc.) during sexual intercourse.
I think the "powers that be" should make the industry standard to have all performers taking this one pill a day preventative AND testing.
That would be a one-two punch that would put an end to this stupidity.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/once-d...ers-6C10299110

seems like AHF would be all over this doesn't it? obviously more money from condom manufactures than over the counter preventative measures

Grapesoda · 09-07-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Of course...the drawback is the price. About a grand a month for the pills.

Thanks big pharma.

Robbie say they find a fungus grows on the left nut of a frog in Montana with potential of curing some 'physical issue... ' the drug companies with take that fungus and the fungus off the right nut of the frog and few other things like the penis drip of a blue eyes deer and maybe a scum off the ass of a crossed eyes tree rat... all stuff hard to find (expensive) and run test on them... say 2 years on rats at 2mil per year on each substance... only one of the exotic new 'miracle finds' passes the test so that's maybe 1 out 10 that makes it though the finals to phase 2 (20 mil spent on one possible) on to pigs another 10 mil spent, then humans another 100 mil spent and the greedy fucks want to make their money back... what a bunch of scummy cock suckers

Robbie · 09-07-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

seems like AHF would be all over this doesn't it? obviously more money from condom manufactures than over the counter preventative measures

What's amazing is...I had no idea this even EXISTED until today when I was reading this thread and just googled up "one pill for HIV"

I had seen that one pill treatment for people already infected the other day when the last "moratorium" took place and posted about it.
It seems to me that we are all overly scared of HIV when it is now a treatable condition with one pill a day...much easier than say being a diabetic and having to prick your fingers to test your blood sugar and take insulin injections every day or your life.
Or having bad kidneys and having to hook up to a dialysis machine for several hours every day.
Hell, there are a thousand things that would be worse than having HIV and taking one pill a day to treat it.

But then...today when I googled up "one pill for HIV" I saw that article about Vireaid preventing you from getting it!

I would think that would be national news all over the place!
And I also would have THOUGHT that the FSC with all of it's resources would be investigating this as part of the solution to this problem.

I mean, hell...I found it in two clicks and 5 seconds on Google.

Maybe this post of mine will be passed on to them and they can get the ball rolling and take a closer look into this. Neither I, nor anyone else on GFY is a medical professional so I just don't know.

But I'm gonna definitely ask my doctor about it. For both me and Claudia Marie that would be about 2 grand a month. But if I could get it covered by my insurance...then I'm gonna go for it if my doctor thinks it's a good idea.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-07-2013, 10:55 AM

Good to see that this is starting to get some discussion, although the industry is probably going to have to do better than saying what a great job we have been doing so far and that HIV/STDs are really not that big of a problem, or thinking we can just wait for a miracle cure.

Letter from a Performer (posted @ MikeSouth.com):

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A Performer Writes:

This is addressed to all talent from another performer. Why do we test? Why do we require tests before we work together?

To offer each other the objective medical assurance that neither of us is going to harm the other by transmitting an STD. When I show you my test, I am telling you unequivocally that I know my sexual practices, I do not deviate from acceptable standards, and I will not infect you. Do you believe me?

My partner and I test at every interval and each time, together. We both test so that there is no chance of not detecting anything one of us might contribute to the ever-growing quagmire of STDs simmering within the performer pool. And in this past month we have played with three other performers off set who also have current tests. But how many of you either have partners who don?t test, or you play with others outside of the industry, or performers known to play outside of the industry themselves, without condoms?

You have a responsibility to the rest of us. And those of you who are ignorant to these practices have your heads up your collective asses. We all do it. Everyone I know plays (has sex) with one or more partners in this industry OFF SET.

So when these statements are made by PASS and others about 1st and 2nd generation tracing and no knowledge of on-set transmission, we all know the dirty little secret that there are people not as careful as us, who are not concerned about the health and well-being of their fellow performers, who have unprotected sex off set and do not require tests.

Until we close that loophole, none of us will ever be truly safe. Those who participate in such dangerous practices, put the rest of us at risk and do nothing to help us all go back to work after an STI outbreak occurs. There is no method for tracing sex partner history beyond what has occurred on set.

What assurance can you offer me and my partner that you?re truly safe to work with? None. You can?t, because this behavior is too pervasive. There?s too much a sense of invulnerability that comes with constant unprotected sex, girded by a test result that is meaningless if your on-set partner is having untested, unprotected sex outside of the industry.

It?s time we all act more responsibly. If you can?t abstain from sex that isn?t booked to occur on set (and who could, really, because that?s not the kind of sex most normal people desire), then wrap it and cap it.

Let your mind wander back to your sex education classes. To the days of your youth when you first started having sex and were fearful of STDs and you knew you needed to protect yourself and others. Please protect me and my co-workers by extending those safe practices to your personal sex life today.

We keep being told these transmissions are not taking place on set. But no one talks about what we should do to prevent them. Because these actions are fundamental, elementary, and simple self-preservation. But why are so many behaving so carelessly?

I care. My partner cares. The three performers we have played with over the past month care. Many friends I have in the industry care. But some are too cavalier, too egotistical, too selfish to believe they could ever contract an STD, no matter what the circumstances. So they continue putting the rest of us at risk.

So, to those of you who think ?this can?t happen to me,? I and many of my co-workers implore you to stop. Be safe. Please. All our lives and our livelihood depend on your better judgment. Make better judgments and protect us all, so we can all do the work that we love. Thank you.

ADG

Robbie · 09-07-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

Robbie say they find a fungus grows on the left nut of a frog in Montana with potential of curing some 'physical issue... ' the drug companies with take that fungus and the fungus off the right nut of the frog and few other things like the penis drip of a blue eyes deer and maybe a scum off the ass of a crossed eyes tree rat... all stuff hard to find (expensive) and run test on them... say 2 years on rats at 2mil per year on each substance... only one of the exotic new 'miracle finds' passes the test so that's maybe 1 out 10 that makes it though the finals to phase 2 (20 mil spent on one possible) on to pigs another 10 mil spent, then humans another 100 mil spent and the greedy fucks want to make their money back... what a bunch of scummy cock suckers

Keep in mind that ALL of the pharmaceuticals we buy in the U.S. have the price jacked up 2, 3, even 4 times the true cost of them anywhere else in the world.

We have the pharmaceutical lobbys in Washington D.C. that make sure the federal govt. keeps it that way.

Remember? When Obama first started working on "ObamaCare" he promised to have the entire process "transparent" and aired LIVE on C-SPAN.

Instead...the very FIRST thing he did was have closed door meetings with all the major pharmaceutical companies and assure them that they could continue to overcharge for medications in the U.S.

That's when I realized that "health care" wasn't even what "ObamaCare" was about. It was supposed to be all about LOWERING the cost of HEALTH CARE.
Instead it gave reassurances to all parties involved that the cost would RISE and that everyone would be forced to get insurance.

BlackCrayon · 09-07-2013, 11:01 AM

the more time off the more escorting and other risky behavior happens..

tony286 · 09-07-2013, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Keep in mind that ALL of the pharmaceuticals we buy in the U.S. have the price jacked up 2, 3, even 4 times the true cost of them anywhere else in the world.

We have the pharmaceutical lobbys in Washington D.C. that make sure the federal govt. keeps it that way.

Remember? When Obama first started working on "ObamaCare" he promised to have the entire process "transparent" and aired LIVE on C-SPAN.

Instead...the very FIRST thing he did was have closed door meetings with all the major pharmaceutical companies and assure them that they could continue to overcharge for medications in the U.S.

That's when I realized that "health care" wasn't even what "ObamaCare" was about. It was supposed to be all about LOWERING the cost of HEALTH CARE.
Instead it gave reassurances to all parties involved that the cost would RISE and that everyone would be forced to get insurance.

Its because avg citizens dont make big contributions. As long as it cost a billion to become president and over 5 mil to become a congressman from some nowhere district its not going to change.

amacontent · 09-07-2013, 11:23 AM

Robbie shoot me a text please ill send u one Im coming to Vegas soon

Robbie · 09-07-2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

the more time off the more escorting and other risky behavior happens..

Most big name escort girls have a group of regular clients they meet with. And you can't just tell your clients that they have to fuck you and pay you more times because you aren't shooting a porn scene (that doesn't pay shit anyway comparatively)

These girls are not street hookers waving cars down. They are escorts. Whole different ball game.
They are servicing doctors, lawyers, athletes, etc.
And most escorts (and their clients) demand condoms.

Not all of the girls have a high priced clientele of course. And some of them don't approach it like a business and instead are partying and playing with fire (like Cameron Bay and her gay boyfriend did)

Anyway...what I'm trying to say is that the amount of escorting is unhindered by whether or not porn scenes are being shot.

If a girl goes in the morning and spends five hours shooting a scene for a grand...why would she turn down a call from one of her clients to make another thousand that evening for only one hour of her time...and maybe 5 minutes of that would be sex.

When you start talking to the girls you quickly find out that the majority of the time they spend with clients is spent talking. It's like a lonely hearts club. lol

Robbie · 09-07-2013, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by amacontent

Robbie shoot me a text please ill send u one Im coming to Vegas soon

Okay.

Grapesoda · 09-07-2013, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Keep in mind that ALL of the pharmaceuticals we buy in the U.S. have the price jacked up 2, 3, even 4 times the true cost of them anywhere else in the world.

We have the pharmaceutical lobbys in Washington D.C. that make sure the federal govt. keeps it that way.

Remember? When Obama first started working on "ObamaCare" he promised to have the entire process "transparent" and aired LIVE on C-SPAN.

Instead...the very FIRST thing he did was have closed door meetings with all the major pharmaceutical companies and assure them that they could continue to overcharge for medications in the U.S.

That's when I realized that "health care" wasn't even what "ObamaCare" was about. It was supposed to be all about LOWERING the cost of HEALTH CARE.
Instead it gave reassurances to all parties involved that the cost would RISE and that everyone would be forced to get insurance.

first mistake: BELIVING ANTHING OBAMA SAYS

one thing in defense of pill companies the lower amount of surgeries need in here in the US due to quality well research meds.. and yes we do pay out the ass. in the long run we are better off though

Grapesoda · 09-07-2013, 11:27 AM

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What's amazing is...I had no idea this even EXISTED until today when I was reading this thread and just googled up "one pill for HIV"

I had seen that one pill treatment for people already infected the other day when the last "moratorium" took place and posted about it.
It seems to me that we are all overly scared of HIV when it is now a treatable condition with one pill a day...much easier than say being a diabetic and having to prick your fingers to test your blood sugar and take insulin injections every day or your life.
Or having bad kidneys and having to hook up to a dialysis machine for several hours every day.
Hell, there are a thousand things that would be worse than having HIV and taking one pill a day to treat it.

But then...today when I googled up "one pill for HIV" I saw that article about Vireaid preventing you from getting it!

I would think that would be national news all over the place!
And I also would have THOUGHT that the FSC with all of it's resources would be investigating this as part of the solution to this problem.

I mean, hell...I found it in two clicks and 5 seconds on Google.

Maybe this post of mine will be passed on to them and they can get the ball rolling and take a closer look into this. Neither I, nor anyone else on GFY is a medical professional so I just don't know.

But I'm gonna definitely ask my doctor about it. For both me and Claudia Marie that would be about 2 grand a month. But if I could get it covered by my insurance...then I'm gonna go for it if my doctor thinks it's a good idea.

potential side affects and allergies? nothing is free

Robbie · 09-07-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

potential side affects and allergies? nothing is free

I dunno. I'm gonna have my doctor look into it and give me advice about it.

If it all looks good...that would sure be a worry off of my mind. I've been scared shitless of AIDS since the early 1980's and I'm tired of having some great sex and then waking up scared the next day.

Mutt · 09-07-2013, 11:51 AM

It's not the escorting, the type of men 'pornstar' escorts have as clients are clean cut middle aged men mostly, i've never heard of an escort fucking bareback. it's what these girls do in their private lives - it seems like it's becoming trendy/cool to fuck and be involved with bi-sexual dudes, those guys can claim they're bi but i bet most of them if they were honest would be 'gay'. girls for whom there's 'buzz' in the industry about fucking bi/gay guys shouldn't be working in hetero porn, not without disclosing it to the people they're working for or with.

same goes for male talent who are bi.

Robbie · 09-07-2013, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

girls for whom there's 'buzz' in the industry about fucking bi/gay guys shouldn't be working in hetero porn, not without disclosing it to the people they're working for or with.

same goes for male talent who are bi.

Even though I personally have never seen anyone in the industry using intravenous drugs...I would think that could also factor in.
The people who use that would be pretty secretive about it I would think.

I don't know...the whole thing is a difficult situation. You can't really start dictating to people what they can and can't do in their personal lives.

And we all know that IF you do something that you're not supposed to...you aren't gonna offer up the information.

We're talking sex here. It's such a personal thing that it makes it almost impossible to put "rules" on it.

How do people know who has or hasn't indulged in a little gay sex? Would you tell me if you had done it last night? Of course not.

Same with I.V. drug use. Nobody is gonna admit to it.

I'm not sure what else can be done other than testing and possibly the use of the preventative pill.
Other than that...we'll all be shooting condom porn if the media and the govt. have their way (the govt. of course loves it when shit like this happens to the adult industry...gives them more power over us and one more step to shutting us down).

DWB · 09-07-2013, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Keep in mind that ALL of the pharmaceuticals we buy in the U.S. have the price jacked up 2, 3, even 4 times the true cost of them anywhere else in the world.

Unless the drug is rare or imported from the USA, we get generic drugs from various parts of Asia at a fraction of the cost. Just like you guys can go get in Mexico. Here and there I'll come across a drug that isn't cheap, but 95% of them are dirt cheap.

It is down right criminal how expensive most drugs are in the USA.

Grapesoda · 09-07-2013, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I dunno. I'm gonna have my doctor look into it and give me advice about it.

If it all looks good...that would sure be a worry off of my mind. I've been scared shitless of AIDS since the early 1980's and I'm tired of having some great sex and then waking up scared the next day.

can relate to that, when I drank and used coke... but now, not really .. only tested girls for me these days ... getting tested again mon morn

Grapesoda · 09-07-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Even though I personally have never seen anyone in the industry using intravenous drugs...I would think that could also factor in.
The people who use that would be pretty secretive about it I would think.

I don't know...the whole thing is a difficult situation. You can't really start dictating to people what they can and can't do in their personal lives.

And we all know that IF you do something that you're not supposed to...you aren't gonna offer up the information.

We're talking sex here. It's such a personal thing that it makes it almost impossible to put "rules" on it.

How do people know who has or hasn't indulged in a little gay sex? Would you tell me if you had done it last night? Of course not.

Same with I.V. drug use. Nobody is gonna admit to it.

I'm not sure what else can be done other than testing and possibly the use of the preventative pill.
Other than that...we'll all be shooting condom porn if the media and the govt. have their way (the govt. of course loves it when shit like this happens to the adult industry...gives them more power over us and one more step to shutting us down).

lots of heroin in the models these days, and the HIV is NOT in the industry... coming for the outside and being blamed on the industry... 180 scenes and 5 infections since 2004 and none since 2004... seriously

Robbie · 09-07-2013, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Unless the drug is rare or imported from the USA, we get generic drugs from various parts of Asia at a fraction of the cost. Just like you guys can go get in Mexico. Here and there I'll come across a drug that isn't cheap, but 95% of them are dirt cheap.

It is down right criminal how expensive most drugs are in the USA.

And I'm not even talking about generics. I'm talking NAME brands!

The same exact thing that you buy in the U.S. is 2 or 3 times cheaper in every other country in the world.

Same thing goes for medical procedures, hospital stays, etc.

There is a HUGE medical tourism industry in Tijuana for instance. One minute you're in San Diego visiting a doctor. A short ten minute drive across the border and you can get the same treatment for half the cost.

You should see it...when you first drive across the border into Tijuana it looks like Disneyland of doctors and pharmacies.

And I read there is an even bigger medical tourism industry in India. People from the U.S. are flying there in large numbers to have major surgeries done at 1/10th the cost of the U.S.

You can google around on that and it will blow your mind.
They have complete packages set up with first class air fare, a 5 star resort for you to stay at while you recuperate, etc. and with air fare and hotel included you still save a hundred grand on heart surgery for instance!

JFK · 09-07-2013, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I dunno. I'm gonna have my doctor look into it and give me advice about it.

If it all looks good...that would sure be a worry off of my mind. I've been scared shitless of AIDS since the early 1980's and I'm tired of having some great sex and then waking up scared the next day.

it's a sinking feeling isnt it ?

Robbie · 09-07-2013, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JFK

it's a sinking feeling isnt it ?

It's a helluva buzz kill.

There is NOTHING on earth that feels as good as sex. Nothing. No drug, no stimulus. It's the best thing ever.

And it's hard to beat the thrill of sex with a new person.

So the whole HIV/AIDS really, really sucks and has definitely lowered the quality of life for all of us as far as drinking in all that life has to offer and truly living (not just existing).

Not saying it's all doom and gloom or anything. Just saying it has definitely put a damper on shit.

I'm just old enough to have experienced a few years of sexual activity before AIDS became an issue. I started playing in rock bands professionally in 1979 when I was still 17 just about to turn 18. And I had a few good years of carefree casual sex with no worries before the shit hit the fan.

And it was fucking great!

Women were a lot more promiscuous then and it was a lot of fun. They had birth control so the general feeling was "if it feels good, do it".
But that didn't last long for the window of time that I was working with.

09-06-2013, 07:35 PM	#55
AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	Is there any systematic effort underway within the industry to notify all talent about what is going on? If not, there should be. Furthermore, while the adult industry is undergoing this production shutdown, it would be an excellent time to ensure everyone in the industry gets better educated about HIV and STDs, and starts doing a better job at being more careful. Are the leaders of the industry doing anything to educate the industry about what they can be doing to better ensure the health and safety of everyone within the industry, or will they simply issue a few press releases again and return everyone to business as usual as quickly as possible to start pulling in money for their companies once more? ADG __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)

09-06-2013, 07:53 PM	#57
Porno Dan Court Jester Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Budapest Posts: 6,342	Even though we use condoms, and I'm pretty sure more companies will be doing the same, the last two cases caught HIV off set and no amount of condom enforcement could have prevented that. __________________ Reality TV Star, AVN Hall of Fame, Five-Time XBIZ Winner 2021 XBIZ Europe Winner Best Director Site Promote the sites where members get paid to get laid by their favorite porn stars

09-06-2013, 09:24 PM	#60
AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	Just checked the Free Speech Coalition website and the FSC Army twitter pages, and no mention of the new adult industry production moratorium. I imagine a few people may be confused if it is on again or off again, since so many are wondering if this is about Rod Daily (the newest HIV+ moratorium is reportedly not about Rod Daily). Would be nice if the industry clearinghouse had some info on their site. Maybe they were so busy all week telling everyone to return to business as usual, that once they issued the new moratorium press release, they figured it's Friday afternoon/night, we issued a press release, it can wait. ADG __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)

09-06-2013, 09:27 PM	#61
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09-06-2013, 11:58 PM	#65
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09-07-2013, 07:16 AM	#70
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09-07-2013, 09:57 AM	#77
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Couple of things that have recently happened that nobody is discussing: 1. The FDA just approved a new one pill a day treatment for HIV. So if a person does unfortunately contract it they now just take one pill a day. Just like a girl takes a birth control pill. Much easier than say a person with high blood pressure who takes all kinds of medications. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/bu...-hiv.html?_r=0 2. There is now a drug that PREVENTS you from catching HIV. And it is also one pill a day. Why aren't the folks in porn valley looking into the use of this drug? Future problems would be solved. Here is an article I just found that is about the drug being used to prevent syringe using drug addicts from catching HIV. If you read down a couple of paragraphs you will see that they discuss how it already is being used to prevent HIV in high risk sexual areas (gay communities, etc.) during sexual intercourse. I think the "powers that be" should make the industry standard to have all performers taking this one pill a day preventative AND testing. That would be a one-two punch that would put an end to this stupidity. http://www.nbcnews.com/health/once-d...ers-6C10299110 __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

09-07-2013, 11:01 AM	#85
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09-07-2013, 11:23 AM	#87
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09-07-2013, 11:51 AM	#93
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	It's not the escorting, the type of men 'pornstar' escorts have as clients are clean cut middle aged men mostly, i've never heard of an escort fucking bareback. it's what these girls do in their private lives - it seems like it's becoming trendy/cool to fuck and be involved with bi-sexual dudes, those guys can claim they're bi but i bet most of them if they were honest would be 'gay'. girls for whom there's 'buzz' in the industry about fucking bi/gay guys shouldn't be working in hetero porn, not without disclosing it to the people they're working for or with. same goes for male talent who are bi. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!