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MaDalton · 09-08-2013, 12:00 PM

what's up, Brian? no balls to admit when you screwed up?

DWB · 09-08-2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

Darren James? he got infected in his PRIVATE life not on set and did in fact infect 5 models in 2004... last infection on set... need the numbers again? BTW that chart is not honest or complete, a total fabrication by the LA Times might as well have AHF make a chart and post it . at what point will you start basing your opinions on facts, not slander by organizations with heavy agenda?

You're wrong about where he got it, but it doesn't matter.

You LA people just refuse to get that through your heads. When someone catches HIV outside the industry and then brings it into the industry, it doesn't matter any more. HIV is HIV. On set, off set, it doesn't matter. The end result is someone contracted HIV and spread it.

You guys seriously need to wake up. You're all living in a fantasy, as if the world cares how it was originally contracted, because they don't. Headlines read "Porn star catches HIV" and that's all they need to see. AHF uses that as ammo and are working towards making all of you wear condoms, while you guys are bragging that it wasn't transmitted on set, as if that is some sort of accomplishment. Newsflash, it's not, it's just dumb luck.

The old saying, "cant see the forest for the trees" applies perfectly to all of you working in LA currently. So caught up with stupid details that you are unable to see the larger picture.

In regards to Darrin James, he caught it working in Rio from Bianca Biaggi, but he spread it to girls on set in the USA. Where he caught it is 100% irrelevant, because he spread it. Did the media care where he caught it? No. "Porn star Darrin James has HIV" is what they said. The same about Laura Roxx, Jessica Dee, and Miss Arroyo. The details of the transmission don't matter to the public, as they read AND BELIEVE headlines.

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

AIM did a great job for a long time DWB

I didn't say they didn't. I said they were not perfect, but they did a decent enough job. MUCH better than what you guys have now. Much, much better.

DWB · 09-08-2013, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by marcop

You make it sound like these porn girls and boys are all seasoned world travelers. In my experience, nearly all of the American girls I've ever shot (900+) had never been outside the US. In fact, in recent years, the girls often haven't left whatever flyover they grew up in until they started performing and did the FL/AZ/CA porn Grand Tour.

All you need is ONE person. But there are more than that.

There is no shortage of people from LA coming to Thailand and Philippines to work and "holiday" (screw whores) these days. Where do you think the Thai and Philippine content is coming from today? Because only one person in Thailand is currently selling quality content, and no one in the Philippines is, so that means everyone else is coming to get it on their own. Many of the LA guys are shooting POV scenes to offset their travel costs.

Look around at the current DVDs and new sites for Asian hetro and shemale releases. God didn't miracle that shit to the studios.

marcop · 09-08-2013, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

All you need is ONE person. But there are more than that.

There is no shortage of people from LA coming to Thailand and Philippines to work and "holiday" (screw whores) these days. Where do you think the Thai and Philippine content is coming from today? Because only one person in Thailand is currently selling quality content, and no one in the Philippines is, so that means everyone else is coming to get it on their own. Many of the LA guys are shooting POV scenes to offset their travel costs.

Look around at the current DVDs and new sites for Asian hetro and shemale releases. God didn't miracle that shit to the studios.

This is obfuscation, not illumination.

Grapesoda · 09-08-2013, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

what's up, Brian? no balls to admit when you screwed up?

what are you talking about? why are you using my name? I made a joke ... big deal.... why are you so touchy?

Grapesoda · 09-08-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by marcop

This is obfuscation, not illumination.

plenty of that going around for sure....

DWB · 09-08-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by marcop

This is obfuscation, not illumination.

Fair enough. Keep your head in the sand and just pretend it isn't happening. That approach seems to be working out well for you guys.

marcop · 09-08-2013, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Fair enough. Keep your head in the sand and just pretend it isn't happening. That approach seems to be working out well for you guys.

My head isn't in the sand, which is why I called you out for clouding the issue, instead of clarifying it. The original comment I reacted to referenced worldwide HIV transmission rates--which I thought (and still think) is irrelevant to the discussion of HIV transmission in the LA porn industry.

I see a lot of misinformation and disinformation in these HIV/STI threads, and wonder why that's happening. It seems some of the people posting in those threads have agendas.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-08-2013, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

That's the thing, you can't close that loophole because you can't control what they do in private.

Knowing what I know about human sexuality, the gay business, the tranny business, and a lot of the male performers in the straight porn business, I'm going to assume 1 - 2 out of the top 5 male porn stars are bi-sexual. No one probably knows about it, and they will deny it to their death, but in their private life they suck cock and either pitch or catch. Maybe both.

If they are using condoms or not is anyone's guess. If they do use condoms but it breaks while some stranger cum pumps his ass and he gets a butt full of jizz, do you think he's going to call his agent and let him know, or do you think he's going to show up for the next shoot and not say a word about it?

Or better, what if the condom breaks and he doesn't know? Not everyone is going to tell you the condom just broke, especially if they enjoy barebacking. An evil "gift giver" may give him a squirt or two just to be a dick. And then he shows up to work the next day to work on a non-condom set for Brazzers.

How do you stop that?

You can't.

The current system is a farce. There is no fail-safe system. However, I believe that a better system can be created.

Better testing protocols, better education, and better preventive measures are all possible.

ADG

JFK · 09-08-2013, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I believe that a better system can be created.

Better testing protocols, better education, and better preventive measures are all possible.

ADG

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-08-2013, 03:24 PM

Just saw this in Scientific American (of all places):

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The Dignity of a Porn Star

Porn stars all across Fresno were told to put their clothes back on and go home a couple of weeks ago on the news that a 29 year-old adult actress named Cameron Bay tested positive for HIV.

Shortly thereafter, the Internet lit up. News, judgments, and jokes shot left and right in newsrooms as freely as bodily fluids fly on set. Countless reporters and pundits surely worked overtime to do the deep background: who were Ms. Bay?s co-actors, who did what to whom, and inquiring minds want to know: were condoms used? Imagine the frenzied speculation, all those sticky keystrokes.

Don?t get me wrong: the details of the whodunit have medical import. Public health workers need to find who is at risk. Those who are at risk need testing and education including reminders that early tests can be falsely negative and must be repeated. Since this isn?t the first case of HIV among the scantily clad actors of Fresno, CA, Ms. Bay?s diagnosis demands we try again to get porn stars to practice safer sex.

My guess is legal maneuvers will never do much to affect the sex lives of the nude and infamous, but if porn viewers could learn to have fun even if with a condom on set there might be a hope.

Twitter captured all this and more. It showed the diversity of our reactions to Ms. Bay and people like her. Some tweets expressed a sense of inevitability:

Some were judgmental:

Others were pragmatic:

Many were unprintable.

Something important is lacking though: concern for Ms. Bay. This young woman just learned that she has an incurable and potentially lethal disease. Our first emotion, I think, should be concern. We should commiserate. We should be grateful for our health and hopeful for hers.

Here?s a rare example:

Undoubtedly, it was Ms. Bay?s responsibility to protect herself. Abstinence, Being faithful and Condoms are the ABC?s of HIV prevention. But since millions contract HIV every year despite knowing their ABC?s, I?m going to go out on a limb and say it?s not always that simple. Sex is complicated, and not fully encompassed by logic, willpower, commonsensical public health messaging or a few square inches of latex.

Porn stars, too, are easy to oversimplify. Dressed (at least temporarily) in garish or stereotypical costumes, they have sex on camera, they say things most can?t imagine saying, and they behave on screen like simplified primal versions of the complicated people of ordinary life. We project a mixture of desire, disdain, and pity on them, and often we forget to consider the person under all that exposed skin.

I learned this from Jose*, a patient in my HIV clinic. Jose was a muscular guy who wore tight black shirts and a jet-black goatee. The list of movies in which Jose engaged in unprotected anal sex was long. Very long. None of the titles can be repeated here so let?s just say somebody is making good money dreaming up new variations on the Bareback Mountain theme. I asked Jose once how many men he?d had sex with in his life, and he said, ?Gosh, I really have no idea,? as if it had never occurred to him to count. He estimated several hundred with a shrug.

I met Jose when he left California to be closer to his family, and ?to escape the crazy life? of adult entertainment. Despite a grocery bag full of pill bottles, Jose?s immune system was gone. HIV ran freely now. Jose said he was taking his medications at first but then, months later, admitted his adherence was haphazard at best. One day he confessed he had stopped altogether.

Jose seemed as mystified by his cessation of treatment as I was. But he confessed that his identity was so wrapped up in virility and the desire of men and women alike that taking pills for a deadly illness was intolerably antithetical to who he was.

He lived life in the moment. He hung out with his sister and visited her two young daughters after school. He moderated family squabbles and tried to keep a nephew out of jail. He worked as a patient transporter at a local hospital. He dreamed of becoming a chef. And he waited. Jose knew AIDS would get him, soon.

Periodically I treated the advancing horsemen of the AIDS apocalypse: the warts that blossomed on his fingers and genitals, a case of pneumonia, a skin infection from a fish tank. I also listened to him as he faced death.

One day he showed me a dark purple spot on his leg. We both knew what it was even before the biopsy results came back: Kaposi sarcoma (KS). At first the KS was a painless purple memento mori, but more spots appeared higher up his leg and soon came to clog the lymph channels that drained that leg. Soon, his leg had swollen so badly he could no longer fit his foot into shoes.

The KS marched on. By the time KS filled up the lymph nodes in Jose?s chest and crept into his lungs, Jose?s face was thinning and his enviable physique had begun to waste away. When breathing became difficult, Jose cut back to part time work. He didn?t want to quit entirely; he said he liked helping patients get oriented to the hospital, especially the ones who were there for the first time. He knew it could be a scary place. Throughout, Jose was resolute and cheerful. He enjoyed board games with his nieces. He traveled. He slept. And he waited.

When Jose went on hospice I had been a physician for ten years. I had seen many people die. But I had never seen someone face death so unflinchingly, so calmly. Jose was afraid, absolutely. But Jose was also courageous and determined to hold his head high to the end.

Jose made it impossible to oversimplify him. He died nearly six years ago, but I thought of Jose immediately when I heard about Cameron Bay?s HIV diagnosis. Without the memory of Jose, I might have dismissed Ms. Bay as a fool and a degenerate. What was she thinking?! But Jose taught me not to reduce her to a character on a stage, and not to pretend I know very much at all about Ms. Bay and the complicated life she leads.

Soon after Ms. Bay revealed her HIV diagnosis, her boyfriend Rod Daily announced he too was infected with HIV. Sigh. It turns out Ms. Bay might have been infected the old fashioned way after all: by living life and having sex in the midst of an HIV epidemic. This week a third porn star tested positive for HIV, and another porn set was shut down. Temporarily.

Not only is it tempting to have an oversimplified view of how porn stars get HIV, it is also easy to oversimplify the relationship between HIV in porn stars and the worldwide HIV epidemic.

Porn stars are not the cause of the HIV epidemic. They are its public face. We could arrest HIV transmission entirely in the porn community, yet HIV would rage on around them. Porn stars, like all of us, make bad decisions and suffer hard consequences. They deserve our compassion, and I hope they get it.

ADG

DWB · 09-08-2013, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by marcop

My head isn't in the sand, which is why I called you out for clouding the issue, instead of clarifying it. The original comment I reacted to referenced worldwide HIV transmission rates--which I thought (and still think) is irrelevant to the discussion of HIV transmission in the LA porn industry.

I see a lot of misinformation and disinformation in these HIV/STI threads, and wonder why that's happening. It seems some of the people posting in those threads have agendas.

Clouding what issue?

I said that I believe transmission rates in other areas of the world are relevant to LA, because people do leave LA for work and holiday. The proof is in the content that is being released through studios. What else do I need to say? That shouldn't be confusing to anyone. All you need is one person to become infected and spread it. Darin James got infected in Brazil. So yea, all of this is very relevant.

Like I have an agenda.

I don't really care what happens to porn valley, I'm on the other side of the world. I'm just trying to discuss a real problem because too many of you seem to be oblivious to, or are in denial of, real facts and risks.

World wide transmission rates are important if you have people in your talent pool who work outside of the USA. It's that simple. And again, you don't need PEOPLE to cause a problem, you only need a PERSON.

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

The current system is a farce. There is no fail-safe system. However, I believe that a better system can be created.

Better testing protocols, better education, and better preventive measures are all possible.

It could be improved, that is for sure. But at the end of the day, whatever new testing that is put in place, is only as good as what the performer did the night before. And THAT is always going to be the Achilles Heel of health within the industry.

AIM got sued by Darrin James for releasing his info, which I thought was BS. I remember testing there and having to sign a form that gave them permission to notify others if my test was positive. I guess state law trumped that, but that was a better system.

Really ADG, I don't see a solution. You have too many issues and cowboys to be able to work a realistic solution. And on top of that, you have state laws to deal with. In regards to releasing information, you should have to sign all privacy rights away and in a perfect world that should be able to be upheld legally so the performer can't sue like James did.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-08-2013, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Like I have an agenda.

I don't really care what happens to porn valley, I'm on the other side of the world. I'm just trying to discuss a real problem because too many of you seem to be oblivious to, or are in denial of, real facts and risks.

Really ADG, I don't see a solution. You have too many issues and cowboys to be able to work a realistic solution. And on top of that, you have state laws to deal with. In regards to releasing information, you should have to sign all privacy rights away and in a perfect world that should be able to be upheld legally so the performer can't sue like James did.

ADG

Grapesoda · 09-08-2013, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

I don't see a solution.

you're right. fuck it... we all just go to a third world shit hole and shoot trannys

The Porn Nerd · 09-08-2013, 05:52 PM

What a fucking mess.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-08-2013, 06:14 PM

The discussion around HIV drugs possibly causing a person to indicate a false negative on an HIV test is something I intend to try and learn more about, especially after reading this in the FAQ section on the OraQuick.com HIV test site:

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What would cause false negatives on an HIV test?

A false negative is when an HIV test result indicates that a person is not infected with HIV when they actually are.

This can occur if:

* The person tested too soon after exposure to HIV;
* The levels of antibodies (infection-fighting cells) in his or her body are too low to detect;
* The person is on antiretroviral therapy (taking drugs that fight HIV); or
* The person tested less than 30 minutes after eating or drinking.

I raise this issue for two reasons.

First, because it may come into play if indeed the new exposure is connected to Cameron Bay (the initial story I heard was that everyone who had performed with Cameron tested negative, now a week or two later, one of those people may have tested positive).

Secondly, my bigger concern is about whether someone could potentially be HIV+, but still show up negative on their HIV test because the drugs are masking the virus (or causing it to give an incorrect result).

I'll try and check around tomorrow and see if I can get an answer about that, since the ramifications could be large. If anyone else knows the answer, please chime in.

If I were a performer, I would think twice about condoms from here on, at least until I had more answers, and better assurances that the industry has a trustworthy testing system in place, administered by trustworthy people.

ADG

RevSand · 09-08-2013, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

It could be improved, that is for sure. But at the end of the day, whatever new testing that is put in place, is only as good as what the performer did the night before. And THAT is always going to be the Achilles Heel of health within the industry.

Yep.. And reports are out that people are still shooting for large companies and I know for fact that talent is still fucking and think its ok since "its off camera".

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-08-2013, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RevSand

Yep.. And reports are out that people are still shooting for large companies and I know for fact that talent is still fucking and think its ok since "its off camera".

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Dan Leal - Porno Dan ‏@PornoDan 3h

FUCK A FAN is Sept 12! @Britney_Amber @XXXNikkiSexx & Surprise Guest. If you are in Los Angeles RSVP to [email protected]

Anyone know if Porno Dan is observing the production moratorium, or is he continuing to shoot, since Immoral Productions is shooting condoms only now?

So which large companies are currently ignoring the production moratorium and shooting hardcore?

I have some solo projects to keep me busy...

ADG

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-09-2013, 12:11 AM

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Kevin Moore Breaks Moratorium Shot On Saturday

By MikeSouth
September 8th, 2013

Im sure he isn?t the only one but he sure stands out for one reason, he is with Evil Angel and Evil Angel's General manager Christian Mann is on the FSC Board?.You know?the same one that called for a moratorium on shooting.

Wow of all companies to have a Director break the moratorium?.

If this is confirmed - unfuckingbelievable...

Care to comment, Redrob? Anybody from the FSC?!?

ADG

RevSand · 09-09-2013, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Anyone know if Porno Dan is observing the production moratorium, or is he continuing to shoot, since Immoral Productions is shooting condoms only now?

So which large companies are currently ignoring the production moratorium and shooting hardcore?

I have some solo projects to keep me busy...

ADG

I was referencing the article on MikeSouth in my statement and know that Dan had cancelled shoots thus far through Tuesday based on his other posts. I would assume he is taking it day by day before cancelling a big FuckAFan shoot and will make that call after tomorrow if needed and after consulting with attorneys & others.

Paully · 09-09-2013, 12:55 AM

Erybody calm the fuck down

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-09-2013, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RevSand

I was referencing the article on MikeSouth in my statement and know that Dan had cancelled shoots thus far through Tuesday based on his other posts. I would assume he is taking it day by day before cancelling a big FuckAFan shoot and will make that call after tomorrow if needed and after consulting with attorneys & others.

I got the impression that Dan had cancelled some shoots previously due to moratoriums, and that's why I was surprised that he was still promoting a live shoot in a few days.

It would be a surprise to me if the FSC lifted the current production moratorium as fast as they did the last one, scarcely a few weeks ago.

Reportedly Evil Angel is still shooting, and I saw online that Kink (operated by another FSC Board Member) supposedly did a Public Disgrace shoot just last Thursday night, barely in between moratoriums, so I'm not sure if they've stopped shooting after that (sure looks like business at usual at Kink Live, etc).

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‏@VivaHateXXX
The #public disgrace of @VickiChase Thursday night.

First time watching a girl get fucked with her head in a urinal.

‏@VivaHateXXX
#public disgrace @VickiChase is hot.

#fisted on a cardboard box on a bathroom floor.

@VivaHateXXX
@VickiChase #kink #bdsm

#Gaping on the floor of a bathroom.

Evil Angel owner John Stagliano:

ADG

RevSand · 09-09-2013, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

It would be a surprise to me if the FSC lifted the current production moratorium as fast as they did the last one, scarcely a few weeks ago.

ADG

Wanna bet?

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-09-2013, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RevSand

Wanna bet?

Let's see, Vivid has someone on the FSC Board too, right?

Posted at LIB:

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Vivid Video Secretly Shoots Movie with Xander Corvus
POSTED BY KELLI ON SEPTEMBER 8, 2013, 4:53 PM

I am sick to my stomach over what I heard today. I was so sure what I was being told was just gossip. No way no how any of this ?gossip? was true. Just not possible. Boy was I wrong, oh so wrong.

On September 7th Axel Braun tweeted ?

Dear Las Vegas, thank you for the crappy food, the heat stroke, and the emphysema-inducing secondhand smoke. Bye. pic.twitter.com/MCnyzYOupt
Lacey Logan responded ?

@axelbraun Hmm?must?ve lost your ass. If you had hit a jackpot you?d be loving Las Vegas. At least u always win at the AVN awards.
Axel Braun ‏@axelbraun

@MsLaceyLogan LOL no gambling?just shooting

_________

If you scroll back in his timeline you see they started shooting Spiderman XXX 2 on September 4th and the male talent they cast in the lead was none other than Xander Corvus. How in the world do you justify shooting less than 30 days after someone tested positive for HIV in our industry and even worse, that someone had unprotected sex with Xander Corvus during that time??!??!?!?

How irresponsible can you get? What is wrong with you?

Vivid how could you allow such a thing? You are supposed to be a leader in our industry and you allow something like this to take place in your own organization!

When I first heard this rumor I was like no way no how. There is absolutely no way Vivid would ever do anything so seriously irresponsible and careless. But I was wrong.

As a reminder, Xander Corvus had unprotected sex with Cameron Bay just before she tested positive for HIV. Xander Corvus has since tested negative at least one time, possibly twice for HIV but he is also still very much within the window of exposure and it is very possible he may text positive in the near future.

My next question is to the FSC. How is Xander Corvus is freed to work again so soon? IT HASN?T EVEN BEEN 30 DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why isn?t he given a mandatory 60 to 90 day quarantine for the safety of the ENTIRE industry?!?! Why would you ever allow Xander Corvus to return to work? How could you possibly clear him in such a short period of time? YOU KNEW FOR A FACT HE HAD DIRECT EXPOSURE TO SOMEONE WHO JUST TESTED POSITIVE FOR HIV!

Need I remind you that Rod Daily?s initial text, taken the same time Xander Corvus took his also came back negative? So if we would have allowed him to return to work right away, then we would have found out that the very next week when he took another text ON HIS OWN MIND YOU, he tested positive.

We as an industry don?t want government regulation, but we go right out there and do shit like Vivid did and then bitch when the government tries to force us to protect ourselves by using condoms.

I?ve seen a lot of stupid shit in our industry in the last 18 years but this one just cuts the cake.

Perhaps you are right...seems like even the companies that are represented by the FSC Board do not even take the FSC seriously.

Good thing the FSC cares so much about talent - imagine if they didn't?

ADG

DWB · 09-09-2013, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

you're right. fuck it... we all just go to a third world shit hole and shoot trannys

You'd probably make more money and deal with less headache.

Why is it that mostly only the USA porn industry is crippled with these health issues? And why only lately is it getting worse? You guys are not the only ones in the world making porn, but you have all the problems. Japan is the 2nd largest industry, hardly a peep from them. What about Europe? Pretty quiet over there too. What do they all do that you monkeys haven't figured out yet?

I'm curious to hear from EU producers as to what is being done differently over there. Or is it all just dumb luck?

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Originally Posted by RevSand

Yep.. And reports are out that people are still shooting for large companies and I know for fact that talent is still fucking and think its ok since "its off camera".

And this exactly proves my point about why whatever testing protocols you can come up with, they are going to be side stepped by irresponsible, greedy people. The safety of the performers is only as strong as your weakest link, and unfortunately, this business has an endless amount of weak leaks.

It's almost like some of you are holding meetings to come up with new ways to make things harder on the industry.

SGS · 09-09-2013, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

I'm curious to hear from EU producers as to what is being done differently over there. Or is it all just dumb luck?

We got out of the B/G and G/G side 3 years ago. Male and female models escorting bareback all over (plus, gay for pay, group parties etc) together with faked certs on top. You might want to have a look at what some of the US "talent" (I always laugh when using that term lol) get up to while they are over here too.

The level of raw fucking nieve in this thread is so thick you can almost taste it.

Grapesoda · 09-09-2013, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RevSand

Yep.. And reports are out that people are still shooting for large companies and I know for fact that talent is still fucking and think its ok since "its off camera".

don't 'personally' know of anyone shooting anything, except solo

DWB · 09-09-2013, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SGS

We got out of the B/G and G/G side 3 years ago. Male and female models escorting bareback all over (plus, gay for pay, group parties etc) together with faked certs on top. You might want to have a look at what some of the US "talent" (I always laugh when using that term lol) get up to while they are over here too.

But do you guys have many health issues like they have in the USA, with no real clue as to how to address the problem?

I'd think you wouldn't be much different than the US, but I only recall hearing of a couple serious issues with EU performers. Or am I just not paying enough attention?

Say someone there tests positive for HIV, what is the protocol?

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Originally Posted by SGS

The level of raw fucking nieve in this thread is so thick you can almost taste it.

SGS · 09-09-2013, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

But do you guys have many health issues like they have in the USA, with no real clue as to how to address the problem?

I'd think you wouldn't be much different than the US, but I only recall hearing of a couple serious issues with EU performers. Or am I just not paying enough attention?

Say someone there tests positive for HIV, what is the protocol?

Syphilis, Herpes, Chlamydia, etc pretty much on a regular basis but as far as I know there have only been HIV positive tests from the gay side so far. But would I bet on that? Not in a million years.

This is in the UK I have to add

Grapesoda · 09-09-2013, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SGS

Syphilis, Herpes, Chlamydia, etc pretty much on a regular basis but as far as I know there have only been HIV positive tests from the gay side so far. But would I bet on that? Not in a million years.

This is in the UK I have to add

been told that many HIV infected men are repeatedly treated for Chlamydia etc...

SGS · 09-09-2013, 07:40 AM

As far as I am aware the producers in the UK have washed their hands of the testing side completely now as it's so far out of control.

We stepped out of the HC side as it just wasn't worth anyone getting sick just so someone could have a wank and then ironically found that we made more money shooting solo anyway.

Testing is a complete waste of time as the so called "talent" shoot once a week if they are lucky and escort 7 days a week to pay the bills.

RubyGoodnight · 09-09-2013, 10:39 AM

Now that we're on number four, I do wonder how long they'll keep the moratorium. (Well, those honoring it, I mean.) And how many more will come out as positive before it's all said and done.

Porno Dan · 09-09-2013, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Anyone know if Porno Dan is observing the production moratorium, or is he continuing to shoot, since Immoral Productions is shooting condoms only now?

So which large companies are currently ignoring the production moratorium and shooting hardcore?

I have some solo projects to keep me busy...

ADG

My attorney and I consulted and we decided that I will not shoot boy/girl as long as the moratorium stays in effect.

There is no reason we could not shoot since we do use condoms, but from a PR standpoint we will not be shooting.

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Originally Posted by RevSand

I was referencing the article on MikeSouth in my statement and know that Dan had cancelled shoots thus far through Tuesday based on his other posts. I would assume he is taking it day by day before cancelling a big FuckAFan shoot and will make that call after tomorrow if needed and after consulting with attorneys & others.

You are 'spot-on' as the English would say.

baddog · 09-09-2013, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

The good ol' days.

I feel sorry for younger people. Hell, anyone born past the early 1980's has never known anything BUT fear of unprotected sex.

I couldn't imagine what that must be like.

The first time I used a condom it was with my second wife just to see what it was like.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-09-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RubyGoodnight

Now that we're on number four, I do wonder how long they'll keep the moratorium. (Well, those honoring it, I mean.) And how many more will come out as positive before it's all said and done.

I was hoping to hear something positive from FSC, today, and instead I just heard the news of a possible 4th HIV Positive person in the industry:

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Another porn star has revealed he has tested positive for HIV, the fourth such case reported in less than three weeks, RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned.

The male actor confirmed his diagnosis to the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, the largest nonprofit global HIV/AIDS organization in the world which is presently fighting for a statewide condom rule in California.

?I can confirm,? the organization?s president Michael Weinstein told Radar. ?However, he has asked that all other information be kept strictly confidential at this time.?

Has anyone heard anything from the FSC about this possible HIV+ #4, or do they just issue periodic press releases when they are not too busy?

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

My attorney and I consulted and we decided that I will not shoot boy/girl as long as the moratorium stays in effect.

There is no reason we could not shoot since we do use condoms, but from a PR standpoint we will not be shooting.

You are a pioneer of sorts in the straight sector of adult, having switched from no condoms to condom sex.

However, I have some concern about the industry thinking that testing is unnecessary if we adopt mandatory condoms as a way to decrease the odds of any on-set HIV transmissions.

As I have recently learned, a segment of the industry already operates this way, and it seems like a recipe for disaster, given the unreliability of condoms.

ADG

DWB · 09-09-2013, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

been told that many HIV infected men are repeatedly treated for Chlamydia etc...

That is true for many other diseases, they seem to have more of them, more often. I believe it has to do with a lowered immune system.

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

My attorney and I consulted and we decided that I will not shoot boy/girl as long as the moratorium stays in effect.

There is no reason we could not shoot since we do use condoms, but from a PR standpoint we will not be shooting.

Condoms break, you know that. It's a good thing you listened to your brain instead of only your attorney.

DWB · 09-09-2013, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

The first time I used a condom it was with my second wife just to see what it was like.

I like your style.

RyuLion · 09-09-2013, 11:49 AM

Wow............!!

Porno Dan · 09-09-2013, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

That is true for many other diseases, they seem to have more of them, more often. I believe it has to do with a lowered immune system.

Condoms break, you know that. It's a good thing you listened to your brain instead of only your attorney.

My brain says to shoot!

Every performer we shoot is tested and we use condoms.

We don't shoot anal and the chance of a transmission is slim to none for vaginal intercourse between two tested performers using condoms

All 3 of these cases happened off set and have NOTHING to do with porn, in fact they occurred in Phoenix, not Los Angeles.

TurboAngel · 09-09-2013, 12:48 PM

That sucks.

Qbert · 09-09-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

All 3 of these cases happened off set and have NOTHING to do with porn, in fact they occurred in Phoenix, not Los Angeles.

That fact keeps getting brought up like it makes a huge difference, but in truth it's completely irrelevant. They're porn performers and they're HIV+, regardless of how they became infected. That means they potentially exposed other performers during the time between becoming infected and testing positive.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-09-2013, 01:37 PM

Baller Alert, the online site that published an exclusive 2-Part interview with Cameron Bay last week, posted this today:

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This afternoon, my inside source reached out and told me that there is a FOURTH p0rnstar that is HIV positive. Yes, the FOURTH. Let's catch you all up to speed:

1st: Cameron Bay (performer)
2nd: Rod Daily (straight/gay performer)
3rd: Unnamed p0rnstar
4th: Unnamed "alleged" MALE p0rnstar

A different source just told me not to long ago to expect a 5th p0rnstar to "allegedly" test positive for HIV.

Not sure how true THAT is, but I would NOT be surprised.

According to RadarOnline:

The male actor confirmed his diagnosis to the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, the largest nonprofit global HIV/AIDS organization in the world which is presently fighting for a statewide condom rule in California.

?I can confirm,? the organization?s president Michael Weinstein told Radar. ?However, he has asked that all other information be kept strictly confidential at this time.?

According to my sources, as of now, there has not been any confirmation of an HIV+ (4th person) to the Los Angeles County Dept of Health which is required by law.

The third positive p0rnstar has been reported. Since AHF (AIDS Healthcare Foundation) is the one releasing the statement ?yes there?s a 4th HIV+?, But it has not released any other information.

My sources also think the 4th positive p0rnstar might be a gay performer who is totally unrelated to the current situation. But, AHF is using it to add fuel to the fire on the condom issue.

An update from AVN:

In response to a query, a spokesperson for the Los Angeles County Department of Health has told AVN that no new HIV case involving an adult entertainment performer has been reported to it. The spokesperson also pointed out that only cases emanating from Los Angeles County are reported to it, and also that clinics have 7 days in which to file a report of a new infection.

Just to clear things up these latest HIV positive cases have absolutely NOTHING to do with Cameron Bay. I reached out to Cameron Bay for a comment today and she said ,"that while she's relieved that these new HIV cases aren't because of her, she's sad because it IS happening. It's scary that it's happening."

It is an OUTBREAK over there in the p0rn industry. I HIGHLY believe that when my source said 5th will be coming out soon that there's going to be a whole lot more. We definitely have to get this HIV epidemic under wraps. Be safe out there people!

When I find out anymore information, I will surely update this blog.

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Is the FSC even working today?

The FSC should have been out in front of this story from Day 1, and instead it appears that they are hiding in their bunker, as some companies that are represented on the FSC Board continue to shoot and otherwise act as if everything is business as usual.

ADG

Grapesoda · 09-09-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Qbert

That fact keeps getting brought up like it makes a huge difference, but in truth it's completely irrelevant. They're porn performers and they're HIV+, regardless of how they became infected. That means they potentially exposed other performers during the time between becoming infected and testing positive.

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-09-2013, 03:06 PM

Gene Ross (********) weighs in:

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In questions of HIV transmission, you always got to ask who gave it to whom. In the case of Marc Wallice you talk about who Wallice infected, but who infected Wallice?

That answer has never been determined. It was always assumed that Marc Wallice got HIV from doing the needle. But look who he was sharing the needle with- Sharon Mitchell.

Mitchell admitted to it in the book The Other Hollywood, and months ago I wrote a piece speculating that Mitchell also had HIV. But who would have questioned Mitchell. She ran AIM, and who tests the tester? But when you look at the history of AIM and the fact that money disappeared, is it possible that the money went for medication? Just a thought.

Darren James. Oh, he gave it to Lara Roxx and got HIV from a tranny in Brazil. That's the convenient story. But no one wants to accede to the fact that James worked with Roxx up in Canada two months before he was known to have tested positive. Roxx was a needle user and a hooker, and the shoot she and James did in Canada was for Devils Film. The same Devils Film that scheduled a 50 man anal cream pie gangbang right in the middle of an HIV outbreak.

Which now makes the origin of Cameron Bay's infection more important than ever to determine. Cameron tested negative for HIV July 27th. She worked with Xander Corvus for Kink.com on July 31st.

Bay in an interview with Amber Lynn last week said a girlfriend had told her that Alex Gonz was Hep C positive. Cameron had worked with Gonz and freaked out at this information. She went to test again and that's when she came up HIV positive.

So now you ask yourself, did Cameron Bay get HIV from Alex Gonz, who is nowhere to be found to answer questions, OR did she get it on the set at Kink.com? Did someone on that set give it to Cameron?

Xander Corvus, her partner in the Public Disgrace shoot, tested right after that shoot and told AVN he tested negative. But these tests are not foolproof. The CDC has told us this no matter what Dr. Diane Duke claims about the effectiveness of super tests.

In hindsight, just as Cameron Bay's test on July 27th might not have been foolproof, can you imagine people in this business going by a current test that tells them they're safe to work but are probably nursing an incubating AIDs virus?

That's why this industry needs to shut down for a couple of months to sort this thing out. But you know that won't happen, and because it won't, porn is not even an employment consideration at this point.

ADG

Porno Dan · 09-09-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Qbert

That fact keeps getting brought up like it makes a huge difference, but in truth it's completely irrelevant. They're porn performers and they're HIV+, regardless of how they became infected. That means they potentially exposed other performers during the time between becoming infected and testing positive.

Your lack of knowledge of this situation shines through with your comments.

It makes all the difference in the world that they did not contract HIV on a porn set, if they had the situation would be much, much worse and the companies would shot them would be liable.

I'm very confident that this moratorium will be lifted within a week.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-09-2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Your lack of knowledge of this situation shines through with your comments.

It makes all the difference in the world that they did not contract HIV on a porn set, if they had the situation would be much, much worse and the companies would shot them would be liable.

I'm very confident that this moratorium will be lifted within a week.

We have had new HIV+ reports since the initial moratorium, so there should not be a rush to end this latest moratorium (particularly if new cases are still emerging, and especially if someone previously thought to be negative, a week or so later turns up positive).

I'm also concerned that some in the industry think that condoms are a substitute for testing.

Not saying your company Dan, since you indicated that you still test for HIV/STD's, and I presume that is for ALL talent, including your Fuck-A-Fan amateurs (correct me if I am mistaken about Fuck-A-Fan civilian participants).

ADG

Porno Dan · 09-09-2013, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

We have had new HIV+ reports since the initial moratorium, so there should not be a rush to end this latest moratorium (particularly if new cases are still emerging, and especially if someone previously thought to be negative, a week or so later turns up positive).

I'm also concerned that some in the industry think that condoms are a substitute for testing.

Not saying your company Dan, since you indicated that you still test for HIV/STD's, and I presume that is for ALL talent, including your Fuck-A-Fan amateurs (correct me if I am mistaken about Fuck-A-Fan civilian participants).

ADG

No one is saying condoms are a substitute for testing, we do both on all my shoots

Porn is not to blame for this.

If you want to point fingers look at the escort agencies who tell the models the guys are tested when they know they are not and have the girls do bare back tricks.

Qbert · 09-09-2013, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Your lack of knowledge of this situation shines through with your comments.

It makes all the difference in the world that they did not contract HIV on a porn set, if they had the situation would be much, much worse and the companies would shot them would be liable.

I'm very confident that this moratorium will be lifted within a week.

It seems your primary concern is producer liability. Again, irrelevant to everyone but producers.

I didn't just fall off the turnip truck yesterday, and I have no vested interest in perpetuating the myth that testing makes everyone safe. That's only true if all performers use condoms for all sex off set with untested individuals. We all know that's not the case, nor is it realistic to think it ever will be. Every performer is not just having sex with the other performers on set, but also everyone one else they've had unprotected sex with since their last negative test. I'm sure this is not new to you, or most anyone else here, but somehow the myth that testing makes everyone safe persists.

I'm sure at this point you've assumed that I support mandatory condom use. WRONG! I think performers should have the choice, but in order for that choice to be legal informed consent the realities about what testing does and doesn't do need to be made clear to all performers.

Given the testing windows for detection any moratorium shorter than the period for 90% detection is irresponsible.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-09-2013, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

No one is saying condoms are a substitute for testing, we do both on all my shoots

Porn is not to blame for this.

If you want to point fingers look at the escort agencies who tell the models the guys are tested when they know they are not and have the girls do bare back tricks.

Which escort agencies are you referring to?

I prefer to fix the problem rather than the blame, however you can't fix the problem without understanding it, and you sure can't solve it by wishing/ignoring it away.

ADG

DWB · 09-09-2013, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Your lack of knowledge of this situation shines through with your comments.

It makes all the difference in the world that they did not contract HIV on a porn set, if they had the situation would be much, much worse and the companies would shot them would be liable.

The details matter to those of you working in LA currently, but the media and AHF doesn't care and will paint it to be a porn problem. They already have. That is what he is trying to say. And what the media says, is the truth as far as the public sees it, and it gives AHF more ammo to nail the condom coffin shut and rally more support for their cause.

You're already working with condoms, so you're already way ahead of the curve, but the choice of working with or without them for everyone else is going to be taken away, even though these cases were not caused from a porn set. For some insane reason most of you can't get that simple fact through your heads, that outside your tiny one dimensional porn bubble, it doesn't matter how they caught it. Go read the headlines right now, as far as the world is concerned it's a porn problem. These people who are anti-porn and pro-condom have an agenda and all of this plays right into their hands while you guys make proud comments about it not being an industry issue, or that the info being released is false.

For as smart as some of you guys are, you're very detached from out the outside world actually works. Perception is everything. Every tiny thing that happens to someone in the business, on set or off, can be used against you.

"5 junkies from Arizona caught HIV" doesn't get clicks. However, "HIV outbreak in the porn industry - 5 performers HIV+" does.

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

I'm very confident that this moratorium will be lifted within a week.

It probably will be, and again, the headlines will read, "Porn Valley resumes work despite 5 HIV+ performers." And that is what everyone will believe.

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